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Pink Floyd drummer blames Apple for music’s downfall

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Apple sent the music industry over to the dark side... of the moon. Photo: Phil Guest/Wikipedia

Be it John Mayer or U2, Apple’s always been a brand that’s both embraced — and been embraced by — the music world. Which is why it’s interesting to hear a legendary musician, in the form of Pink Floyd member Nick Mason, saying possibly the worst thing a creative person can say about it: that it’s passé.

Mason is talking specifically about Apple’s iTunes service, which has been on the decline for several years now, as we have seen the rise of streaming services like Spotify. Interviewed by GQ magazine, Mason’s comments offer a glimpse at how a section of the music world views Apple — and why it needs to change before its too late.

“It’s been interesting seeing how badly that went down,” Mason says, responding to last year’s (blown out of proportion) U2 music giveaway.

“Let me be completely clear about my position: if Apple had come to me and said, ‘Nick, we want to release your album in exchange for £50m’, I couldn’t have thought of a better idea. Radiohead did something similar a few years ago [2008’s In Rainbows], and it worked. But this has backfired. It’s made everyone think again about how they want their music delivered, given or sold.”

“Look, U2 are a great band, and Bono’s an extraordinary individual, so this isn’t an anti-U2 tirade. But it highlights a vital aspect to the whole idea of music in the 21st century.”

“What’s also interesting is that Apple seems to have gotten off scot-free. No-one’s blaming them. Apple has done great things, but it has also contributed to the devaluation process.”

“That said, iTunes is already beginning to look rather passé, and instead it’s Spotify that looks like the future. What we need is another two or three billion people using it, then it would make more sense for musicians.”

To be fair to Apple, it’s not like it hasn’t noticed that paid music downloads are slowing down. According to a report published late last year, Apple is currently pushing music labels for price cuts that would allow it to bring the cost of a Beats Music subscription from its current $10 price point all the way down to $5. Once this is done, it is possible that Apple will rebrand Beats Music to bring it under the iTunes banner — possibly as early as this February, to coincide with the Grammy Awards on Feb 8.

Nick Mason is, of course, only one musician, and certainly not the first to argue that Apple has had a negative impact on music as a whole. In 2011, Jon Bon Jovi famously held Steve Jobs accountable for “personally responsible for killing the music business,” and for robbing kids of the “magical” experience of buying albums. His critique of music distribution in the twenty-first century is also a general one, rather than being specific to Apple.

But agree with it or not, it’s also an interesting view to take into account — particularly if you’re a Pink Floyd fan. And who isn’t?

Via: Patently Apple

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50 responses to “Pink Floyd drummer blames Apple for music’s downfall”

  1. purple floydd says:

    don’t blame apple for your inability to adapt to the times – if Queen Beyonce’ could do it then why cnt you ?

    • Yeah because The Endless River didn’t break the world record for the most pre-ordered album of all time, and definitely didn’t go to number one in nearly a dozen countries.

      The article is misleading and has picked out a select few passages from the original article, making it look as it he’s having a go at iTunes and streaming across the entire scope of music, when in fact he was making the argument that new musicians are being shunted because digital distribution services like iTunes and Spotify take far too much revenue for it to be a viable option.

      • puggsly says:

        “iTunes and Spotify take far too much revenue for it to be a viable option”
        Seriously? That is what you thing? What do you think the markup of the average CD was before digital downloads? I’d bet on average it was well beyond the 20 something percent iTunes asks for! And Spotify is at just over break even pricing. It is not the distributors who are killing profits to new musicians.
        Oh ya! and don’t forget about the cost of packaging, shipping, return, waste, loss, damaged and destroyed products. iTunes was a god send for the music industry that was heading to the abyss from the napsters of the world.

        IMHO

      • Steven Burgas says:

        Precisely.

    • Steven Burgas says:

      You didn’t actually read the article.

  2. Trav Mak says:

    The title of this article, which reflects nothing about the content, was approved by cultofmac’s click bait QA team.

  3. Tomáš Kubín says:

    old farts form PF are blaming everyone, crazy Waters is blaming Israel for everything, Mason is blaming Apple for everything ….idiots

    • Raymond Frake says:

      Israel is definitely responsible for the downfall of album says…

    • Ethan S. says:

      You’re an idiot. This article is talking about the devaluation of the music business since iTunes and Spotify take in too much revenue from artists who release their stuff. And Roger Waters? Well yeah I agree with him. Take a vacation in Palestine, stay with an innocent family who is, along with others in the area, constantly being pillaged, raped, and murdered against their will. Also: without revealing my age, I am far off being considered and old fart.

      • CelestialTerrestrial says:

        They aren’t taking too much away from the Artists. If the artists can’t put anything out worth buying, then it’s not Apple’s fault. Is Amazon paying a higher amount than Apple? NOPE. How about Google Play? NOPE. How about any digital download site selling AAC or MP3 files? NOPE. HD tracks a few others sell Pink Floyd’s stuff for more like $23 a CD in higher res formats, but not a lot of people are buying it.

        Digital was happening before Apple got iTunes famous and digital is just the wave of how things are done.

        Pink Floyd can easily just sell CDs, Albums, and high res downloads through HD Tracks for $20+. The problem is that Pink Floyd’s audience is shrinking or they’ve already bought the albums, then a copy of the CD and then a MP3 or AAC copy. How many times do we have to buy the same album? 10 times so a-holes like Nick Mason can make more money to pay his bills to have his mansion, car collection, etc.?

      • Ethan S. says:

        True, true…

    • El Huazontle says:

      Obviously you don’t know and haven’t listen to the lyrics of Pink Floyd, being a critic of Apple or Israel, for that matter, doesn’t make anyone an idiot other than the people using the word for anything that their intellect is not capable of understanding. Mason gave a valid point of view and perspective of the music industry.

    • Steven Burgas says:

      Fuck off and read the piece.

  4. Guy says:

    I think music’s downfall could be blamed on crappy music. Put out a quality product Nick and don’t worry about the delivery method.

    • Eric Seaberg says:

      Yes, Guy! The reason iTunes has survived at all is because few acts produce an entire album that’s worth buying! With only 2 or 3 good tunes on an album, why should I buy the entire thing?! Produce another “Pet Sounds” or “Sgt. Pepper” and you’ll start seeing the digital generation buying it again.

      • Laggypop says:

        This.

        You can buy single.

        You can buy album cheaper.

        And after you buy single, you can complete the album, discounting the songs you already bought.

    • CelestialTerrestrial says:

      Nick, of all people should know how the music industry regurgitates the same albums every so many years by a new Collector’s edition, remaster, new format, CD, Cassette, Vinyl, SACD, AAC, MP3, 24/96 AiFF/FLAC/ALAC, etc. etc. How many times do people have to buy the same content and only a couple of them sound very good? I’m sure some of the die hard PF fans have bought Dark Side of the Moon? Haven’t they made enough money from that album yet? They STILL get royalties from that album 40 years later, so what’s his problem? There a lot more independent labels, some artists have to setup their own labels because the big labels are only interested in selling the 1 million albums or more bands.

  5. Brant Merryman says:

    I think his comments are well thought out. I think Apple should just buy all the major music labels. They have the money.

    • CelestialTerrestrial says:

      Apple’s core competency is NOT owing and running record labels. That’s WAY outside their core business. Plus, I highly doubt Warner Music Group owned by Access Industries, EMI now owned by Vivendi, Universal owned by Vivendi and Sony is the other is going to sell to Apple. Be serious. Apple doesn’t want the headache of the music industry, they already have enough dealign with streaming services and digital downloads.

  6. AlmightySatan says:

    I miss walking the aisles of my favorite music store browsing the CD’s. I miss collecting CD’s. I miss pouring myself a beer, walking over to my CD collection, choosing an album and popping into my CD player.

    • Brandon says:

      Okay, satan.

    • Ed says:

      I too miss the stores, but, I still buy all my music on vinyl. Analog is far superior to digital.

      • puggsly says:

        No… it really is not!

        There are theoretical benefits to Analog music but in most cases music passes through a digital process before being mass produced anyway and even if the vinyl you purchase was created so well that it holds a higher quality representation of the original music, the cost of the equipment capable of reproducing said music is well beyond what most people will ever spend. But if you are that person who spent thousands of dollars to reproduce the sound from that disk, the final joke is that your ears/brain is probably incapable of distinguishing the differences.

        But enjoy!

      • CelestialTerrestrial says:

        But Vinyl isn’t convenient. Can’t stick vinyl in your car, or carry around with you. I miss vinyl a little, but I hate having to flip the record, cleaning the album, storing them, and setting up the turntable so there isn’t rumble. Plus, I hate pops and clicks on albums in bad condition that can’t be replaced. They charge a LOT of money for these later heavier repressings as they can cost upwards of $30 for an average album. I remember when Albums were $3. Times have changed haven’t they?

      • Ed Bundy says:

        Right, young hipster.

        Records are crap in every way compared to CDs.

      • Laggypop says:

        What an hipster.

        Digital Audio CD’s are always superior to vinyl.

        Better and linear frequency response, better dynamic range, cheaper to maintain, etc…

    • Ed Bundy says:

      CDs are still being made. Nothing is preventing you from buying them!

  7. Bart says:

    What an idiotic comment. Also, the U2 giveaway did not go horribly, it was just like anything Apple does–ruthlessly criticized by all the lame Windows and Android fanbois.

    The U2 album giveaway worked, though I’m sure next time they will have people opt in in some way. Not a great idea to just shoehorn it into everyone’s collection, but technically, it was perfect–nothing went wrong with the implementation of it.

  8. Badboy35 says:

    What nonsense. Well yeah, millions of subscribers paying $10 month forever will solve all your problems. Not gonna happen. Get used to the new world of music. People are tired of shelling out for crappy music.

  9. Anthony Velazquez says:

    I love Pink Floyd, but this is not Apple’s fault. People were ripping music from their CD’s before itunes/napster/kazaa/etc and sharing with friends. Then the napsters & kazaas came along and the music industry and metallica were crapping their pants. Apple was their to offer a paid solution and helped save the industry. I myself was sick of getting ripped for 16-20 something bucks for a CD and only getting 1 or 2 good songs. We were getting ripped off. Like has already been mentioned….make a great album filled with great songs and people will buy them. :)

    • pdq3 says:

      Totally agree (although, as noted by others, the headline is not quite what the article is about).

      Napster was killing the music industry, and it would have finished the job in short order had not Apple offered an honest and attractive alternative. Pining about the lost innocence of a kid picking out an album misses the point spectacularly, I think. Why Apple gets blamed for this is beyond me.

      …and thinking that Spotify is going somehow be better for musicians? Is he serious? (“Last month, your song was streamed 10,000,000 times; enclosed please find a check for $5.87”)

  10. Justin says:

    What a misleading clickbait article title. You guys are eating this shit up too. Actually read what Nick is saying and compare that to the title of the article. Way to go cultofmac, you are becoming the new gawker.

  11. Stoker says:

    I’m not sure the “music business” needs to be structured around a small group of top-tier hyper rich artists, the even more rich middle men, and everyone else scraping by on the traditional album sales model. I hope to see a great entry into the streaming space from Apple to compliment iTunes for those who still want to buy.

  12. #MrAsshole says:

    Last I checked this prick has more money than I could ever hope to acquire. What a F**kin as**ole.

    • Zach says:

      This is a clickbait title. This man is the nicest musician I’ve ever seen. If you watch the actual interview you’ll see that he wasn’t as angry as this makes him seem.

      • Kr00 says:

        The author has a history of making things up just for clickbait. Ad revenues must be down again. Time for another phoney Mackeeper review to bump up the margins.

  13. HowmaNoid says:

    Urrrrr, no! If you what to blame anybody try Simon Cowell. Churning out formulaic musak junk is what’s killed the record business. And while you’re tossing blame around Mr Mason, who exactly do you blame for that total pile of poo that The Floyd just released in the form of that endless, endless, endless river of boredom?

    If you what to sell music, make music people want to buy and stop trying to milk your passed glories.

  14. Raymond Frake says:

    Artists, more than ever, will have to make their money from touring. Singles (or complete albums) are just going to be a promotional tool to (hopefully) get people to see them live and buy merchandise.

  15. Andrew Joiner says:

    Yeah I remember being a kid in the 90’s, and paying $25 for a new album at Uncle Sams… there was nothing “magical” about it. It was just an expensive waste of money for 320kbps audio disc plus lyric sleeve wrapped in plastic. Magical was the next few years of being able to download whatever I wanted for FREE. All this talk about how people pay for music when only OLD people pay for music now anyways.
    Paying for music is what’s passé…

  16. Kr00 says:

    More clickbait garbage Luke?

  17. The Cappy says:

    Forgot about Napster and Bit Torrent, apparently. They were destroying music. They’re the guys who got it into everybody’s head that music was free. Apple got them paying again. Roger Waters was brains in that band anyway.

  18. tr2011 says:

    “But agree with it or not, it’s also an interesting view to take into account”.
    .
    It is much more than just a view. Apple is somewhat like the holocaust. You cannot have other option about what it was and why it happened than the official mainstream view. If someone looks at it from the bigger picture questioning its “uniqueness”, that’s a clear sign of blasphemy

  19. CelestialTerrestrial says:

    No, it’s not Apple’s fault. It’s the industry and how they are producing music. Instead of signing actual musicians that have great songwriting and skill sets and putting them together with great producers that really understand high quality music, they are just churning out crap that is more “produced” where they use sequencers, loops, samples, noises and sound effects and the quality of singing has gone down to them hiring essentially NON-Singers and NON-Musicians to create the music. Look at these Justin Bieber kids they sign. They aren’t good enough/serious minded musicians/singers and in order to sell an album, they have to use Pitch Correction to make it sound like they can sing. Rap is so non-musical, but the kids want a type of music that pisses off their parents because they use it to be rebellious. Face it, the quality of music being produced just flat out sucks, kids growing up aren’t getting a great music education through their school system.

    What Apple did was to make a digital file replacement successful amongst the masses for the cassette tape and CD for portable use. That’s essentially all they did. They don’t have control over the quality of music being sold, they only have so much control over the quality of the digital files and they got AAC which is a lossy smaller file size than 320kbps MP3 to sound better. What did people use prior to iPads for mobile devices? Cassette based Walkmans, maybe CD based Walkmans that skipped and were bulky, or didn’t have anything.

    Buying albums is increasingly becoming more successful, but Apple didn’t kill off the Album, they were killing off the CD for mobile use. Bon Jovi is an IDIOT. Albums was already dying as soon as the CD came out in the 80’s. It’s only coming back to a small niche market.

  20. Ed Bundy says:

    Funny, I’ve bought far more music from iTunes than I ever did before iTunes and downloads came along. Most people I know have also bought more music because of iTunes and downloads. I’ve also enjoy my music far more than back in the lousy records days. Him and Bon Jovi are ridiculously out of touch and/or unbelievably greedy, and I’m around Bon Jovi’s age.

  21. Don says:

    Absolutely unbelievable. First we had to hear Gene Simmons saying rock is dead and now we have to hear this crap out of this guy. You want to know who is killing music and rock n roll? These assholes that are so fast to accuse other people of doing it.

    When it comes to Gene, who has sold out rock more than he himself? With his reality tv crap, etc. The once fearless womanizing gene is now a hen pecked shadow of what he once was.

    As far as the PF drummer, REALLY? Considering that dung pile of a so called last album pink floyd just infected the world with a couple of months ago, I would think they would be hiding their heads from the public right now, not being outspoken and accusatory. Has anyone heard that damn thing? If not, save your time and pretend like Division Bell was the final album. Because that’s where they should have left off if the last album is the best they can do now.

    I find this a strange story considering two days ago I had a conversation with a friend where I mentioned the last PF album. I had said to him that nothing seems sacred anymore, a bad final PF album and how ozzy, gene, etc. have also sold out with their reality tv programs. It’s ridiculous.

    The problem with music today is the same as movies. 98% of it is 100% crap. The music industry absolutely hates that they can’t still sell crappy albums with one good song and 12 bad ones for $17. That’s the REAL complaint that they have. Now people just download a favorite song for .99. Maybe if musicians stopped putting out this mass market crap to please the simple minded people would buy more songs and they would make more money.

    As for bon jovi, who gives a damn? The last time he mattered was in the 80’s. Which is really where his anger is coming from too. Get with the real and modern world guys and quiet crying.

    GEESE……………………

  22. Todd D says:

    I would contend the music industry is at fault more so than apple. The music industry promoted glamour and effects not true talent. Remember when whole albums used to be good? Nowadays there are a decent song and the rest are filler garbage. Music industry used to develop talent now they want the quick return – the music world is full of one hit wonders not truly talented bands. Take away stage and vocal effects- half the artists out there wouldn’t be around

    • Don says:

      Isn’t that the truth. When you look at gaga (who I refuse to call lady), justin beiber,britney spears, the list goes on…. obviously talent is dead. Yes, it’s all about the money as I said in my previous message. Crap in, crap out!

  23. KS2 Problema says:

    Even if Beats was FREE, I wouldn’t use it.

    I’ve been on 6 subscription music stream services over the last 10 years or so. Beats is — beyond any doubt, bar none — the absolute worst embarrassment of a stream service I ever had the annoyance to use. I was coming from MOG — where I was quite happy — until Beats bought MOG and scuttled it to make room for the gawdawful Beats Music.

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