Apple Pulls “Gay Cure” App for Violating Dev Guidelines

Apple Pulls “Gay Cure” App for Violating Dev Guidelines

A screen shot of the Exodus International app.

As promised, here’s the statement from Apple over the removal of the Exodus International “gay cure” app.

Apple spokesman Tom Neumayr said Wednesday:

“We removed the Exodus International app from the App Store because it violates our developer guidelines by being offensive to large groups of people.” (Emphasis ours).

It’s short and sweet — but opens up a big can of worms for other groups or companies who may have apps approved that later are targeted as offensive to “large groups of people.” In the case of removing the Manhattan Declaration, a “large group” was about 6,700 online signatures, for Exodus it reached 150,000.

Apple has never re-instated an offensive app after pulling it — but I suspect there will be some backlash on this one.

  • CSMcDonald

    I foresee a campaign to complain about some other more liberal oriented app as being offensive to conservative sensibilities and an online petition for it. As we speak there are probably people scouring the app store for something to be offended about.

    And of course the folks at Exodus just got a ton of free publicity and attention (and probably donations) because of all the attention brought by their opponents.

    This could get interesting.

  • dude

    Terrible move by Apple.

  • Chris Malone

    Why?

  • bored

    conservatives dont whine/complain as much as liberals do ;)

  • Captain Snicklefret

    Nope, they just drag them behind the truck and beat them.

    I have plates around my eye socket and a cheek implant from my run-in with those Jesus-freaks.

  • Les Surdykowski

    Premise: there is a God
    Premise: this God is paying attention
    Conclusion: God thinks this whole human experiment was a big waste of time and should have given the whole world to the dolphins!

  • Pauly

    I did not agree with this app or the ideas it promoted, however I AM disappointed it was removed. When you live in a country that provides free speech, sometimes you’ll get offended.

    This isn’t a victory. The organization still exists and people can still visit their site on their iPhones. Nothing has been accomplished expect for the precedent that if someone doesn’t agree with you, enough pressure will force Apple to cave to their whims.

    Such a waste of time and energy that could have been applied to something that DID result in positive change. Keyboard activists are force that society apathy.

  • pickme2

    Although there’s no evidence to support your premises, your conclusion, that the mammals in the sea should oversee how the world runs, has serious merit.

  • Jon Grumm

    Liking your blunt answer, not that you were beaten.

  • Dav

    Fantastic move by Apple!
    Its another sign that slowly but surely the liberal left will get there… hatred and bigotry are a tough enemy but we don’t give up! :D

  • C Brooks

    You know, I felt the same way for a large majority of this debate. A friend of mine said something last week that changed my mind. He said:

    “Donors at private institutions are allowed to donate millions of dollars to bring organizations like Exodus International onto college campuses and to exclude any gay-friendly academia. In the same way, the people who pay Apple for their services have the right to demand that something be removed. As long as we are paying for the apps to run, we should have a say in the content.”

  • C Brooks

    but they do generally have a lot of money to throw around. I’m sure that Exodus got a boost in donations as the result of this.

  • toddtony

    I agree with you on free speech. However, Apple does not allow apps with racist or Anti-Semitic content. That smacks of hypocrisy.

  • bored

    I dislike your stereotyping, not that you were beaten. I’m sure those “Jesus-freaks” were really followers of someone that promoted love..

  • alternet-14395

    ?? If there’s a cure for this – I don’t want it….??——— Diana Ross

    Thanks, Apple!

  • Jeff

    There are lots of things that could offend “large groups of people”. That seems to set a bad precedent.

    Having said that, Apple is not the government, so they can decide whether or not to allow an app on any whim they choose. There’s no issue of free speech here.

  • Rob Williams

    Apple could have worded that differently. Now any political app left, right, or center will face scrutiny based on this precedent.

  • Rob Williams

    Agreed, just a badly worded response from them.

  • winski

    Good on-ya Apple…

    This bag of hogwash has been dis-proven SO many times that it’s laughable to believe that there are still semi-intelligent people that believe this…

    If you do, please proceed either directly to “Mountain” Inhofe’s cabin, or you can go DIRECTLY to Uganda and help write the legislation that makes it the law to murder and execute gay folks!

    Note: PLEASE DON’T COME BACK.

  • Brandon Dillon

    Any true Christians that are struggling with this sin, please know that there are other ways to seek help. This was definitely a very easy method, but the information is still out there for those who want the help.

    It’s a shame that there are so many “half-way Christians” out there that go out of their way to keep true Christians from trying to make themselves right with God. If you believe in the Bible, you believe in every bit of it. You can pick and choose what you believe, but not believing in something being a sin isn’t going to save you.

    For the record, there is absolutely NOTHING AT ALL about this app that has promoted bigotry or hate. It’s for people who want to live the Christian life and are struggling with this particular sin. If you don’t believe in the Bible, then fine, don’t download it, but don’t try and hinder other people from their faith.

    Those who say that this app promotes bigotry or hate are instigators and fools.

  • Drakhul

    ya, why? First of all, you can’t cure gay… it’s not a friggin disease.

  • Drakhul

    What exactly is my sin? I did not choose to be gay, I was born this way. It’s not a sickness that can be cured, it’s not a lifestyle choice, it’s not a way to garner attention, or anything else the homophobes want to label it.

    ANY app (or person for that matter) that thinks they can “cure homosexuality” is promoting bigotry and hate. Anone who cannot accept me as I am is also a hater. Despite people like Brandon Dillon here, I am not a hater, I pity the fools who cannot accept but I cannot lower myself to their level of thinking.

  • iESmedia

    Even though I don’t like the idea of a “gay cure app” by Exodus and the fact that it offended many people, when it comes to Freedom of Speech this was not a good move by Apple. It’s like the Westboro Baptist Church — many people hate ‘em, but they’re protected under the US Constitution’s Freedom of Speech.

  • Whowritesthiscrap

    @ Brandon Dilln
    Snakes don’t talk and being gay isn’t a sin. Do you wear a mix wool and cotton fibers in your clothing? That is a sin in the same way that “man laying with man” is which is really a reference to pedophilia not homosexuality. To say that homosexuality even existed in biblical times is perverse presentism. Try to be open minded and listen to some of the research on the subject.

  • Dominekers

    Bigotry is defined as “intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself” as one of the definitions in the dictionary in Mac OS X. And that app certainly had different opinions than Truth Wins Out, so they took measures to have it removed.

  • umadbro

    How about you shut the fuck up. You can’t cure someone’s sexuality. I pity “ex-gays” who are living a lie by pretending to be straight and end up living a miserable life. Embrace who you are, there’s nothing wrong with being gay.

  • Brookshanes

    But you are not accepting the ‘haters’ as they are. And if people add an app to the store to help people change, that is not a hateful thing but a thing of ‘pity,’ just like how you say you feel toward the ‘haters.’

    If you could cure bigotry, would you make an app for it?

  • Morgan

    You are you own enemy if Hatred and Bigotry are your enemies. Some of the most vile bigots I know are homosexuals.

  • Go Gays!

    Apple is not the U.S. government. Having your app approved is not a friggin constitutional right.

  • Guest

    It’s Apple’s ‘App Store’ therefore they can do what they want with it.

  • So sick of it

    So. by this definition, those who protested against this app are bigots because they could not tolerate people with different opinions from themselves.

  • Exomyass

    Apple should go even further, they should trademark the word Exodus for a non existent product and then shut this assholes down.

  • So sick of it

    Bad precedent by Apple. Now, people like Glenn Beck can get his minions to write and petition Apple saying they are offended by apps promoting a gay lifestyle. Rush Limbaugh, I’m sure, can get millions of people—read, idiots— to write Apple and say they are offended by whatever app the Rushster wants to pick on. If they don’t pull those apps then it will smack of supreme hypocrisy.

    Frankly, I don’t see why the gay community was so intolerant of this app. I’ve always found if people don’t agree with you then the best thing to do is ignore them.

  • Brandon Dillon

    I am a Christian, but I am also a very logical thinker. I did my own research of the Bible, I didn’t just blindly follow what I was told. Please tell me how you think that homosexuality isn’t a sin. I could quote the Bible on it, but it sounds like you’re not familiar with it. There is the Old Testament and there is the New Testament. They have very significant differences, especially when it comes to this. Just because you don’t like that something isn’t a sin, doesn’t mean it’s going to exempt you on Judgement Day.

    This is a troll comment if I have ever seen one.

  • Brandon Dillon

    Obvious troll is obvious. It’s not like they are putting anyone down or push off ideas on anyone. They are offering information for those who are seeking it. It’s not a cure to sexuality. It’s assistance for those WHO BELIEVE IN THE CHRISTIAN FAITH. If you don’t believe in this religion, then you have no business even commenting on the matter. If you DO believe in the matter and are opposing this, then you really need to open up the Bible and start reading. You can pick and choose what you believe is a sin and what is not, but I promise that it is not going to work out in your favor.

  • Dmh122dog

    if you were truly an “independent” you wouldn’t follow the bible as we certain logical thinkers know it was MISinterpreted by human beings..not a god..and by men with motives of self. Secondly, why are you even on this site if you do not support OUR RIGHTS or are you one of those “ex-gays” that didn’t commit suicide after the exodus treatment…

  • Dmh122dog

    im sure apple commented on “hurt feelings” so that the app would be reinstated after a long drawn out bs court battle with free speech. for those of you who dont get it or do not care to get it it’s not about being offensive! it’s about preying upon the horrible shame and pain of those poor soles that are gay and alone especially gay teens that have noone to turn to. now what do you think happends to gays who are truly gay that go to exodus and dont get “cured”??? they kill themselves. You heters will never understand and most of you refuse to, so why am i waisting my time………….

  • Dominekers

    You didn’t comprehend my comment above. I was talking about the organization Truth Wins Outs. I will say that some who protested probably were indeed bigots. Others probably protested it because others were doing it which I’ve done in the past. That was a mistake that I pray I will not do again. It is a common mistake. I believe Exodus International to be poor excuse for a ministry and teacher of the Holy Scriptures, but to be fair to Exodus, I downloaded the app anyway to see what the fuss was about. I was then disappointed to not find hateful language and hate PROMOTING material because the material really was not worth fussing about. Yet, this trivial app had a petition of over 150,000 web clicks [not really a proper petition].

    When I listen to a televangelist preacher [and very few do I agree with], I do not protest to the station or to the FCC to have their program removed. I just tell others that those preachers are false teachers. People who opposed this app could have been just as effective posting their own propaganda in response to the other party’s propaganda.

  • Dmh122dog

    A note to my homosexual brothers and sisters. Like civil rights, gay rights will continue to move forward and as long as we stick together truth will win out. Stay strong and STAY OUT…it’s the most important thing you can do. NEVER LET THE BASTARDS WIN. JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE HETERS DOES NOT GIVE THEM ANY RIGHT TO PLACE THEIR UN-DEALT-WITH-SHAME ON ANYONE ELSE!!! With love ..LesbianAmerican

  • Brandon Dillon

    Seriously, the throwing around of the word “cure” in this subject is really getting old. Nobody associated with this app has called it a cure, or anything along those lines; only biased journalists and “offended” homosexuals. I really don’t know how many times this needs to be said before it sinks into peoples brains. This app is not trying to “cure” anybody. People are acting like its information is being forced in front of people. The app exists for Christians who want assistance in coping with this particular sin, which that’s exactly what it is. I don’t have any problem at all with homosexuals, and I certainly don’t hate him. I have two extremely close friends who are gay, and I don’t have any problem with them being gay, other than the fact that it is a sin. I’ve discussed that fact with them a few times, and I eventually let it go, but I definitely didn’t “push it off on them”, and I wouldn’t do it to anyone else either. I WILL however educate those who are interested in the subject. It does make me uncomfortable to see two men kiss, but it’s not to the point that I have to look away or avoid them or anything.

    Bottom line: This app should not have been pulled, just because people are offended. This whole country is turning into “I’m offended, I demand change and/or compensation!”. If you don’t like what the app is about, then don’t download it. People are such sissies these days. Quite frankly it’s pathetic.

  • Brandon Dillon

    I did my own research, and I made a list of reasons why I thought the Bible was true 100%, and a list of reasons why I didn’t think it was true. The list of reasons of it being true was a long list that I constantly add to. The list for reasons why I thought it wasn’t true isn’t even a list; it’s 2 minor instances that I had trouble finding research on. There is a lot of historical evidence that is still around today that gives justice to the authenticity of it all. The Bible was written by humans, but directly inspired by God.

    Also, I’m on this site, because I love everything Apple. I’m in this specific post, because I love being a Christian, and I really do not believe that this should not be “marketed” as a “cure” for being gay. It’s assistance for being a better Christian. I do support gay rights to an extent. I don’t think that people should be treated badly or persecuted just for their preference. I don’t believe in same-sex marriage though, but that is a whole other sensitive topic, which all comes down to faith. Also, no I am not an “ex-gay”.

    The fact that everyone is so hostile and can barely be civil about discussing this subject is really a shame. I am a very tolerant individual, which is what the Bible teaches, but thanks to some extremists, the Christian stereotype is tainted when it comes to this subject.

  • Brandon Dillon

    How about you exercise your right to be civil, by not resorting to name calling. Us “HETERS” have feelings too you know.

    With tolerance and love ..ChristianAmerican

  • Brandon Dillon

    The word “cure” really needs to stop being thrown around with this topic. People are making it sound like we think it is some kind of disease. It’s for Christians who want to get assistance with this particular sin. If you want the information, it’s there. If you don’t believe in the Bible, then don’t download it.

    And yes I think anyone would put information together in that form if they have the ability and knew how to help.

  • randison

    This is a good move for Apple. But this could have been prevented if they have reviewed this app properly and thoroughly. This is really discriminating and should definitely be removed.

  • Derek

    we’re not arguing whether or not the Bible says being Gay is a sin. Of course that’s your own interpretation, and nobody can change how you look at your book.

    The point is simply this: being gay is simply a biological trait. first, let me “inform” you about some facts – there are gay animals. Homosexuality is a part of this world – it’s a natural phenomenon.

    So once we’ve established that, now think about your actions. You, the “kind loving” Christian, are telling someone, who happens to be born this way, that they are sinners. And then you flood them with misinformation about how you can “assist” them in being “straight” again, as if it’s something that they can change. But they can’t – they were born that way.

    The real question is: what would Jesus do? Think about Jesus as the epitome of Morality – I hope you agree with me on this one. For someone as moral as Jesus, I don’t think he would be condemning someone for something they were born with. I don’t think he would try to convince this little boy that being straight is the only proper way to live.

    You need to stop following the Bible, and thinking about Jesus. You obviously lack a solid self-morality code, so you need to base your thoughts and opinions and moral standards on a book. Instead, try to imagine what you think Jesus would say to you. Forget the stuff in the Bible – come on, there’s slavery in there…But believing in the moral saint that is Jesus is good.

    The really sad thing is that if in the Bible, it said that being short was a sin, you would believe it. And you would try to cure people of their shortness….to save them. lol. who’s the real troll?

  • Dilbert A

    yeah. kind of like ignoring cancer.

    o, i’m not gay or in the “community”, and i’m glad the pos app is out.

    if Glen Back fans want to write, let’em. I’m sure they wrote the numerous sponsors he’s been losing.

  • Dilbert A

    yeah. self expression is lame when you don’t agree.

  • Dilbert A

    i’m not liberal or left, but hate and bigotry? that shit will always be around.

    you just gotta kick’em in the nuts when ever possible.

    - Martin Luther Bing
    from remarks given at The Rally for Hannity
    October 30, 2010

  • Dilbert A

    give examples of “homosexuals you know”.

    o, observing someone on a bus talking to someone else, doesn’t mean you “know” them.

  • Dilbert A

    rt’o.

    glad you cleared that up.

  • Dilbert A

    lol. that’s because their winning.

    neo-conservatives anyway.

  • minimalist1969

    Apple doesn’t care if a few libertarian types on comment boards think they are hypocritical and more than Fox New cares if liberals think their their coverage is biased. Apple is a liberal minded company with liberal policies towards their gay, lesbian and transgendered employees. That’s just who they are.

  • minimalist1969

    Apple is free to enforce that rule as they see fit (meaning they can also choose to not enforce it if they feel like it). People are acting as if this is a sort of courtroom precedent that has legal weight. It’s a private store and Apple can approve or disapprove any app they want for any reason.

  • Easyguy11

    Bi and lovin’ it!

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    The heart would not believe

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  • Brandon Dillon

    Your comment really makes your ignorance shine. Stop following the bible, but think what Jesus would do. Jesus would follow what his Father wrote. Plus, sorry, but being gay is not a biological trait. There are not gay animals. There are animals that have perform related “acts” as signs of dominance, but there are not animals out there having sex with the same gender every day either. As far as “born that way”, that’s a load of bull. I don’t know if people are loving to sling that phrase around so much lately because of that Lady GaGa song or what, but that is definitely not the case.

    Also, the Bible is respected to such an extent, because 1, it’s historically accurate and it’s true. And 2, it doesn’t have anything stupid like your pathetic “example”.

    I really can’t believe I even wasted 2 minutes of my life replying to someone with such an obvious lack of intelligence. The fact that if I’m wrong, everything will be fine, but if I’m right and you are wrong, you’ll be in a terrible place.

    You are an obvious troll and a hypocrite. You won’t be receiving another reply from me.

  • minimalist1969

    There will be no court battle. Free speech is simply a civic right to speak freely public. The app store, like any other retail establishment, is not public. Nobody has any “right” to free speech in private space. Go into a mall and start handing out flyers about something and see how quickly mall security escorts you from the property.

  • minimalist1969

    I’m not sure there will be any backlash Nichole. Apple doesn’t care what the open and free advocates think about them. They never have and they never will. And the general public doesn’t care about libertarian ideology or whining developers. Its all inside baseball.

  • Vr1911

    Apple: this can come back and bite you for giving into a bunch of pro-censorship bigots. Look at their disgusting comments. “Tolerance”? Right. And the moon is made of green cheese.

  • Derek

    For someone who wants others to check their facts, you don’t seem to do much of it yourself: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04

    Of course, if you did actually check the facts, then we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

    “Jesus would follow what his Father wrote” – so if his father wrote that slavery is good, he would follow? If he wrote that people called Brandon Dillon are born in sin, and shall never reach Heaven, because he doesn’t even understand that the teachings of Jesus is about love and a virtuous life, not a life dictated by a text, Jesus would comply?

    Look to your heart…that’s where you’ll really find the Jesus that Christianity is about. And that’s all I’m saying – to me, Jesus is just a metaphor for the virtuous life – being kind to others, the golden rule, helping the poor. I may be wrong, but I don’t see you doing a lot of that (the golden rule) with all your hateful comments.

    Of course, my words are probably wasted on you…but one never gives up on humanity.

  • 20-something hipster

    That’s YOUR interpretation, Bud. YOURS. Mine is not the same as yours. Of course, I believe that my interpretation is right and that yours is wrong. You believe yours is right and mine is wrong, all based on eschatological research. With no definitive authority we’re likely to agree on, we can’t both be right—so a third person will tell us that we’re both wrong.
    You worry about your own life and what you believe for yourself and stop worrying about what others do with their lives and what they believe for themselves. That’s a big enough job for you.

  • Brandon Dillon

    There are some grey area subjects in the bible, but THIS is definitely not one of them. If you knew anything about being a Christian, you would know that you are suppose to love and bring others to light. It’s not “every man for himself”, and if you think that is the case, then you really need to open up the Bible and star reading. Christianity is a support group in itself.

    I didn’t know how terribly people interpreted the Bible until I started reading comments on this subject this week. I take pity on people like you who are this ignorant of the Bible to this extent.

    This nation was founded under God, and people like you are what we have to show for it. It is such a shame that we have condemned our own roots and foundation.

  • jo

    WELL DONE APPLE !!
    … not gay myself, I had never even heard of these guys before this (here in Germany) but just reading the Exodus Wiki article, with a number of their founding members in effect outing themselves as gay and leaving them makes me wonder how anybody can believe in that “cure” approach…

  • jimlat

    Regardless of the app…bad precedent….fart apps offend a large number of people….may have to find a better justification….

  • Robert Pruitt

    I don’t agree with this decision. I’m not a fan of the whole gay thing but I respect peoples right to make those decisions for themselves. In the same light, I believe the free market should determine the success or failure of something like this app. I don’t like this app but it should have been allowed to fail or succeed based on peoples choice to download or not. If the gays are going to go militant on everything that offends them they risk backlash at a time where momentum is actually going in their favor.

  • Dav

    Some of the most vile bigots I know are heterosexuals… maybe I should write a ‘cure’ app for them??

  • Francisco Carrizo

    I find very amusing how Christians try very hard to make the Bible look as this historically accurate marvelous book that can be used for every aspect of everyone’s live. What they do not realize is that it is a book written by Jews that reflect the customs and traditions of the Jewish people centuries ago and that whatever “law” established by that time certainly does not apply today, specially when we live in a world where there’s the separation of church and state. It seems that they’re still mourning the fact that they’re not almighty and they’ve lost all that power over people they used to have (talking about the Middle Ages).

    Science has taken us to new enlightenment age, it’s been slowly but steady and it has certainly destroyed a bunch of old myths we had in religion.

    History has this tendency of proving that things are likely to appear and disappear. How old is Christianity by the way? 2010 years old? How old is the Christian God? A little more? taking into account that it’s the same Jewish God… Some 5000 years old? There have been other religions that have had religions and gods that have lasted more and yet people nowadays do not believe in them. What I am trying to say is that the Christian God is as powerful as the people who believe in them and if people would stop believing in him, he would no longer exist.

    It all comes down to power and domination. Man invented a God just to have an easy way to explain everything that surrounds us and eventually realized that he could dominate an entire country just by spreading that belief.

    I truly love Nobel prize winner Steven Weinberg’s quote about religion: “Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”

  • Pirate

    Fran – your arguments about why you believe God and/or religion to be invented by humanity and disproven by science are simply untrue. If this is your opinion, fine. But don’t misrepresent your musings as scientific.

    Factually, the more historians and archeologists discover in the middle east, the more proof there is to back up those things written in the Bible.

    Factually, the there are hundreds of predictions and prophecy about who Christ would be that were written thousands of years before Jesus walked the earth. When Jesus finally came, he met every single criteria – the odds of which are almost impossible. No other religion makes this claim or can back it up with this kind of premonition. That is the difference between Christianity and others religions.

    Factually, there are huge differences between the God of the Old Testament and the New. After Christ walked the earth as man, a New Covenant was created between God and man. Jews don’t believe that Jesus was their Savior, while Christians do.

    Realistically, if man ‘invented’ God, they could have/ would have invented more. For example, Islam claims that when the men die, they are rewarded with 40 virgins. Others believed gods bring rain or make crops grow. I would agree that these gods simply sounds like made up wishful thinking. But, Christians don’t make such claims and you would think they would if they had made up the religion.

    Where as you say that Christians made up God to explain the unknown, I say non-believers refuse to believe what they cannot see. The irony is that true believers *feel* God’s presence in our lives – He is much more real than the boogie man (which is made up).

  • Pirate

    Huh? Although I’m not a huge Beck fan, is audience is quite large (compare the number of folks at his rally vs. John Stewart). If you’re going to claim he’s losing sponsorship, please back it up with fact and/or examples.

  • Dilbert A

    he has, but that wasn’t said to take anything away from him or his show. his sponsorship has shrunk. that’s why pushes that gold crap even more.

    as far as examples? dude. lazymuch?

    http://www.google.com/search?a

  • Francisco Carrizo

    I beg to differ but there are NO FACTS that even prove that a man named Jesus son of Mary and Joseph even existed. There’s no definite historical evidence outside the Bible that clearly backs this up.

    Christianity is just a “recycled” set of beliefs from other religions of the past. The only difference is that you claim that your Messiah really existed.

    Gods and Goddesses have always existed and the conception we have of them change as we change, definitely not overnight but through the pass of times. The way Christians see their God today is definitely not the same as the early gnostics did.

    And it’s funny you mention those things about the prophecies because as for the Jews are concerned they’ve never come to pass (They’re still waiting for their Messiah). So who’s right and who’s wrong?

    “Realistically, if man ‘invented’ God, they could have/ would have invented more.” Are you serious? There have been “thousands” of Gods before the Judeo-christian God. There are the Nordic Gods, the Egyptian Gods, The Sumerian Gods, The Indian Gods, The Chinese Gods, and a very long etc. The problem you Christians have is that you live in a bubble where everything you believe is true and the rest are just plain wrong.

    Anyway, what I’m trying to say is that – and regarding the whole subject of the app rejected by Apple and Exodus International – I am not bound to your moral or spiritual laws, they only apply to you and your fellow believers. I don’t have to pay an allegiance to any book except the constitution of my country. If you want to believe there’s an all-powerful being watching (funny thing he’s almighty and needs a book to express himself) that’s your prerogative, not mine.

  • gareth edwards

    Funny thread. Some good points and some stupid ones.

    Brandon – dude, you really need to get a life. Seriously; the same old blinkered, myopic and flawed reasoning that I find both hilarious and at the same time frustrating in nearly all religious people I meet (regardless of faith template).

    Gay is a genetic trait. Read some serious books /sites /articles on the subject and then form a reasoned opinion based on the evidence, not a tunnel world view of what is fact and what isn’t based on the writings of misogynistic mystics.

    You’re obviously not a retard, it’s just you’ve been schooled to be an idiot. It’s not your fault, you have been programmed meme after meme to be the person you are. You are a product, a typical product of a religious method.

    I’m not religious but the whole ‘what would Jesus do” should be the cornerstone of modern Christianity. It’s a central theme that makes sense unlike most of the other cobbled together myths, legends and word of mouth legends that have been hacked together to form the bibles many books over the years.

    As for the App by Exodus. Sticky wicket. You are never going to please all the people all the time but personally I think there’s only 2 ways to look at it. Either keep it on the store but if you think it’s vile say so on the rating, kick it squarely in the nuts and show it up for what it is, silly religious propaganda. OR like Steve did, shoot that shit down. If I had to choose though I think the App. Store made the right decision on balance. It is their shop, they makes the rules and decide what is and is not suitable. They have since their inception been supporters of the creative and counter cultures (of which many globally loved icons batted for the other team) and for this alone their reasoning is sound and inline with the Apple brand and what they stand for as a company.

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