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Does Apple Watch Series 3 need a major overhaul? [Friday Night Fights]

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Will you buy another Apple Watch that looks like this?
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The next-generation Apple Watch will be another incremental upgrade focused on performance and battery life improvements, according to recent rumors. But almost three years after the original model made its debut, should we be expecting more?

Friday Night Fights bugMany Apple Watch fans have been hoping for a slimmer form factor, while earlier rumors promised features like cellular connectivity and even a FaceTime camera. Would you buy another Apple Watch that looks the same but lasts longer in between charges?

Join us in this week’s Friday Night Fight as we discuss whether Apple Watch Series 3 needs a major overhaul.

Luke Dormehl FNFLuke Dormehl: We recently heard the rumors about a new Apple Watch, set to arrive in the fall of 2017 — and while I realize it’s never good to judge things solely based on a rumor, it does sound a bit disappointing. You and I have talked previously about the fact that Apple feels like it’s dropped behind in the innovation game in the last couple of years: favoring slow, iterative improvements on its products, rather than the kind of “tear it up and start again” mentality that made it such an exciting company in the late 1990s and 2000s.

The Apple Watch Series 3 is supposed to feature better battery life and performance upgrades. That’s all well and good as an iterative upgrade, but I don’t think it’s something that’s going to get skeptics interested in the device if they aren’t already. I always kept an open mind about the Apple Watch: slightly doubtful about the smartwatch form factor, but hoping that Apple had cracked the formula and could show me something I’d not thought about previously.

There are, of course, the usual caveats here: a disappointing seller for Apple is a great seller by any other company’s standards, maybe Apple doesn’t expect customers to upgrade every year, yada yada yada. But if we’re entering into the third generation of Apple Watch, I feel like there should be some unique vision for what this device does that’s different from Apple’s other products — and it sure doesn’t feel that way.

At this rate, it’s basically settling into being an Apple TV level of device; essentially a “nice to have” that will appeal to a select few customers, but which isn’t a priority for Apple. Maybe that’s enough, but considering that a lot was riding on the Apple Watch (not least proving that it can still launch a new category of device people will get excited about) it doesn’t sound like the company is any closer to cracking the formula than it was when the first Apple Watch came out.

Killian Bell FNFKillian Bell: I certainly understand some of your concerns here. Apple made significant performance and battery life improvements with Apple Watch Series 2, and I think further improving upon these things for the third-generation model is kind of pointless.

Granted, battery life improvements are always welcome, and the longer I can wear my Apple Watch before I have to charge it up again, the better. But how fast does Apple Watch really need to be? It works great now, but there’s only so much we’re going to want to do with apps built for a tiny device we wear on our wrists.

I would certainly prefer it if Apple focused its efforts on integrating things like 4G connectivity, and making Apple Watch much slimmer. I’m not really interested in a FaceTime camera, but that’s another upgrade I know a lot of users are crying out for.

But Apple has to find the right balance.

Right now, Apple Watch is probably the best it can be with the technology Apple has at its disposal. If the company was to add additional features — like those mentioned above — it has to make room for more components, and that means making Apple Watch thicker (no one wants that).

Alternatively, it has to reduce the size of other internals. Now, it’s probably safe to assume most of those internals are already as small as they can be for now. The only thing Apple could shrink with ease is Apple Watch’s battery (and no one wants that, either).

So, it seems Apple is stuck between a rock and a hard place. There’s only so much it can do with Apple Watch right now, and while its existing design might be getting a little old, Apple isn’t going to change it just for the sake of change. Apple doesn’t overhaul its hardware unless there’s good reason for it.

With the exception of the iPhone, which has traditionally received a new design every two years, Apple’s products typically carry the same look for several years. The iPad Air series (and now the 9.7-inch iPad Pro) has looked the same for over three years. The iMac hasn’t changed in over four. Apple doesn’t invest in new designs unless there’s good reason for it.

Luke Dormehl FNFLuke: But wait, aren’t you arguing that it wouldn’t be disappointing if this turns out to be the next Apple Watch? In terms of changing the Apple Watch by, say, making it round or thinner is a very subjective discussion, but features like making it iPhone independent — or having a proper use-case for it should be things we should have by the time a third-generation product ships.

Personally, I think the Apple Watch was the wrong direction for Apple to go in altogether. For me, the best case scenario for it is that it winds up being what the Newton MessagePad was: an ahead-of-its-time product which paved the way for a genuinely great product Apple shipped 15 years later. It certainly doesn’t seem like Apple has a whole lot of vision for what this can be, besides a shrunk-down iPhone for your wrist.

Judging by the bored reaction from watchOS developers, it certainly doesn’t seem like it’s struck much of a chord with them, either, as far as compelling use cases go. The Watch feels more and more like a market Apple felt it had to try and compete in, rather than one it wanted to compete in. Yes, I don’t doubt that Jony Ive likes the idea of entering the luxury goods watch market, but for your average customer, I don’t think this has been an exciting product.

If the reports of shrinking customer interest in smartwatches are accurate, then I don’t think this rumored Apple Watch Series 3 is likely to change people’s minds. Do you?

Killian Bell FNFKillian: I’m not saying I won’t be a little disappointed, but I think it’s unrealistic to expect major changes just yet. Like I said, adding new components means making sacrifices — like cutting battery life — and we know Apple isn’t going to make them just to add a new feature to a product sheet.

I don’t believe the features you’ve mentioned are things we should have by the time Apple Watch Series 3 arrives. We’re not entitled to anything, and no one is forcing us to upgrade to the next model. Like I said, there’s only so much Apple can do with the technology available.

I don’t agree Apple Watch was the wrong direction to go in, either. I think Apple needed to have a presence in the smartwatch market. When Android Wear first debuted, consumers suddenly became excited about wearables, and I know several people who swapped their iPhone for an Android device just so that they could own a smartwatch. I certainly don’t think a large percentage of people were doing that, but still, Apple needed to compete.

I do agree, however, that Apple probably doesn’t know what to do with Apple Watch just yet — and that’s because no one knows what to do with smartwatches right now. None of them have changed significantly in recent years, and they’re still devices that are nice to have, but aren’t necessary. Apple is doing more than most, though — especially when it comes to health and fitness.

Maybe smartwatches will never become a necessity, but that doesn’t mean Apple should stop making them. Apple Watch seems to be selling very wellno other smartwatch comes close — and although you claim developers are bored, there’s an incredibly large catalog of excellent watchOS apps that’s growing every day. So they’re still supporting it.

If Apple was to give up on Apple Watch just because it’s not quite sure what to do with it yet, surely it should also give up on iPad, iPod, Mac mini, and Apple TV? None of these things have changed significantly in recent years; they’re just getting incremental upgrades to keep sales ticking over while Apple thinks up something revolutionary.

Luke Dormehl FNFLuke: The trouble with what you’re saying is that the whole point of Apple being the size that it is is that it doesn’t, or shouldn’t, need to compete in a market just because other people are doing so. Others have been making VR headsets for a while now, and Apple’s yet to come out with its own version of Oculus Rift. Increasingly the watch feels, for Tim Cook, what the Newton was for John Sculley: a device to try and prove can follow what Steve Jobs did and prove that Apple’s still innovative.

The difference is that the Newton turned out to be way ahead of what the competition was doing, while the Apple Watch is keeping pace with an ailing product category. I really want to like the Apple Watch. As smart homes mature, who knows, maybe this will become the perfect control mechanism by which we control our devices. Maybe Apple will eventually get it classified as a medical device and come up with smart sensors which could make this a useful diagnostic tool, subsidized by more insurance companies.

But right now it’s none of those things — and the best defense I’ve ever had is from people like yourself who effectively argue “well, it wasn’t meant to be all that great.” But maybe I’m wrong. So let’s turn it over to readers.

Are you excited about the new Apple Watch? What would get you to buy an Apple Watch Series 3? Leave your comments below — and have a great weekend.

Friday Night Fights is a series of weekly death matches between two no-mercy brawlers who will fight to the death — or at least agree to disagree — about which is better: Apple or Google, iOS or Android?

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11 responses to “Does Apple Watch Series 3 need a major overhaul? [Friday Night Fights]”

  1. RF9 says:

    Samsung Gear S3 looks really nice. The rotating bezel seems more innovative as a user interface than the crown. They also have LTE integrated and a 4-day battery life (presumably without LTE.) Honestly I’m jealous and tempted. I love my Apple Watch Series 2, but it seems like they can do “better” than just performance and battery life.
    If they can at least get to an always-on screen option and/or longer battery life, that would be helpful. It already has about two-days of battery for me (even with workouts.)
    I would really like to see it get LTE (or 3G) connectivity like Gear S3 or LG Urbane.

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  2. David Starry says:

    I have read many reviews of the watch. I feel, not unlike many of the comments presented here that they are too overreaching and are in line with the fud that is generally generated around Apple products and its stock value. Batteries in all devices have been complained about since the beginning so it just seem silly to include them. The watch has delivered on what Tim Cook said it was for, to keep the phone out of my hands. I measure my phones battery life now in days and not hours due to the watch. Given it is still a young product category I can’t imagine how fast its maturity is supposed to be measured. Criticizing its grow without something to measure it by seems to be moot at this point. Removing the fud would be a nice place to start disguising its potential. I have read and imagined its health benefits like contacting emergency help for a heart attack. Being able to carry your own health records with you at all times. Given how long it takes to get a product to market I can just image what they are working on today that we won’t see for several more years. Trying to keep it simple to use must be the most frustrating part of developing, same with the iPhone. I see people fumbling around with their android phones everyday because it has so many options its gets confusing. I have tried to teach people how to use a computer for a long time but it is just too confusing for most people unless its for a job, well even then. Steve Jobs made it possible for everyday people to learn how to use a computer easily. I feel this is key to how and when the watch gets more features. Maybe they are aiming at security features of use for the watch. A dive computer. Overall I am very satisfied with the watch and what it can do for me today. Thank you for the discussion.

  3. devjah says:

    Hope they’re not adding FaceTime camera. If I’m going to FaceTime, I’m not gonna do this on my watch. WTF

  4. disqus_YEXmx1H3xe says:

    Top end watches don’t need to be upgraded all that often. My last watch was a Tag and I wore it for 15 years. When Apple comes out with a big innovation, I’ll probably be compelled to replace my Watch. Until then, I am quite happy with my original Watch. It does everything Apple said it would and pushes me to get a lot more exercise than my Tag did. In short, step by step innovation gets more people hooked and then a big change pushes us all to replace the one we have already bought. I would love to see more accurate sensors, wireless charging that allows it to charge while I’m wearing it, etc.Still, it does exactly what I bought it for and I will continue using it until a new feature is worth the retail price to me.

  5. wakeupmymac says:

    Meh
    Surprised that no one mentioned an edge to edge screen. For me the interface is too clumsy, taps, swipes etc aren’t registered properly making the simplest tasks frustrating. Often it is still easier for me to go find my phone. At the moment, for me at least, it is nothing more than a glorified step counter and occasional heart rate monitor.

  6. Josh Turiel says:

    With Series 2, it’s a good device that checks all the boxes to be a solid watch. The price is reasonable for a nice mechanical watch (it isn’t, and never will be, anything like a competitor for the $50 Timex or Casio). It is stylish enough to not be super dorky like most smartwatches are so far. It’s waterproof. The battery life is finally at the point where a normal person could not charge it one night and still be able to use it the next day. The functionality is great as it stands just on notification management and fitness alone.

    Not that it can’t improve more over time, but a watch is what it is, and there’s only so much you can cram into that form factor. I’m happy with my Series 2, my family enjoys their 1st gen watches, and I don’t think there’s any good reason to upgrade annually. Every few years is fine for a device like this. I don’t really care about cellular connectivity, either. Just increase battery life each generation and I’ll be happy, along with a little bit of styling updating once in a while. I’m sure there will be some new functionality as time goes by but I honestly can’t think of anything I want that isn’t already there.

    I don’t want a cell phone on my wrist. I just want a smart watch.

    • Adrian says:

      Agreed–notifications and fitness mean that this watch is worth it. All I need when I upgrade from Series 2 to maybe Series 4 is better battery life, perhaps with the distance charging that Apple is supposedly working on (according to the TWiT podcast this last week) — maybe it’ll be charging while I’m sleeping and it’s collecting sleep data.

      For me this thing on my wrist as magical as my phone, as long as I know that it’s a watch, not a phone. The killer uses for me are:
      “Now Playing” that lets me control volume and skips for music & podcast apps
      Texts – quick glance & quick replies to short texts
      Ping – make my phone ping when misplaced — I use this 10x/wk
      recording apps – (“Just Press Record”, “Mic’d”, “Say&Go” are all good) for notes either on the watch or the phone
      Nike+ and the workout app – these really honestly have make me run the extra mile harder, and have paid for the watch, I’m sure, in a longer and more fit life

      Other apps I use very often and which have added significant value are:
      Dark Sky for weather, GTasks for my tasks, Fantastical for what’s next, Heart Watch for heart stats, Breathe for slowing down and changing perspective, Capture for camera remote, Streaks for staying on track with behaviors, V for Wikipedia to buzz me about local pts. of interest, Shazam for quickly getting that song, lyrics, and bookmarking it

      Plus a timer, sunrise-sunset, Siri, a stopwatch, ATV remote, alarm and other complications.

      In reviews and discussions I see little about these functions, which I find are fast & easy to use. What I’ve done that I feel many others haven’t is spend time on the learning curve, including a couple of hours today, so I can use the watch as quickly as I do my phone. It has taken time to learn how things work and what apps and complications work best for me.

      Like “Now Playing” does with music and podcasts, the “Home” app gives me very very quick access to controlling my Hue lighting. I agree that this may become even more useful as my HomeKit rolls more smart devices (what’s taking you so long, Apple?). I totally love having this control on my wrist instead of pulling my humongous 6sPlus out of the pocket (or finding it where I lay it down).

      Tip: get the Nike+ model for the same price. Aftermarket bands are cheap on amazon.

      For me this thing is just short of a miraculous piece of technology as is, and the whining I hear is not understandable.

  7. David McAfee says:

    I have been holding off getting an Apple Watch purely because of battery life. AW3, provided it has a 3-4 day battery life, will probably be enough to sway me to get one.

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