Why Apple Pencil blows away Wacom Cintiq

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The Apple Pencil makes drawing on an iPad Pro incredibly precise.
The Apple Pencil makes drawing on an iPad Pro incredibly precise.
Photo: Apple

This is a guest post by Linda Dong, a graphics expert and former designer at Apple. It originally appeared on her personal website.

A lot of hesitation (or dismissal) of the new Apple Pencil seems to stem from people’s belief that the Wacom Cintiq, currently regarded as the pinnacle of professional drawing stylus/surface design, is superior in performance and design at a similar price.

😩 *sigh*

Quite plainly, the Cintiq sucks in comparison. And I’ve been using them for years for industrial design sketching, UI and art. Let’s compare the experience:

Stylus design

The Apple Pencil, which Apple showed the world during Wednesday’s big product showcase, has a much narrower body and tip, allowing the stylus to not obscure the drawing itself. I would also argue it provides more freedom of drawing motion.

The Cintiq stylus is big, the pen tip is wobbly, your fingers randomly collide into the side buttons, and everything feels like cheap jiggly plastic.

Surface design

Cintiqs are heavy — really heavy. The ones deemed “portable” are hardly portable at best. Most come with a giant set of cords because, obviously, they need to be plugged in to a computer.

The screens aren’t Retina, the color is whack, the brightest it can display is not very bright and there’s a lot of reflection. Most importantly, the screen itself has a huge air gap between the pen and the digital screen, causing parallax. No amount of calibration shakes the feeling that you’re not actually drawing on this surface.

All these things are a non-issue with the iPad Pro. Also, it runs its own OS and has Multi-Touch built in;’ you’ll be paying $2,000-plus for multi-touch features on a Cintiq.

Drawing

Latency latency latency. As in all that latency I can visibly see as I wait for my stroke to catch up with my Cintiq pen.

Oops! Dragged my pen too far because I couldn’t see where the strike would end up. Guess that’s why I mapped 10 of these buttons to Ctrl+Z.

This is the game-changer with the Apple Pencil — barely any latency, so you actually feel like the pencil is leaving ink and can see the outcome of your drawing as it’s happening. Makers of real-life pencils got this figured out years ago.

It also seems like pressure and tilt are mapped more sensitively with Apple Pencil compared to the Cintiq.

Outcome: drawing more of what you intended on the first try.

Apple Pencil pricing

The iPad Pro + Apple Pencil: $899 to $1,179
The cheapest, non-touch-enabled Cintiq: $799
All other Cintiq models: $1,000 to $2,800

My advice to anyone trying to decide between buying Apple’s iPad Pro setup versus the Cintiq is to run far, far away from Wacom’s device. Especially if you’re a student. Specialized professionals that have their Cintiqs hooked up to PCs running SolidWorks, C4D, CAD, yeahhhhh … I guess cross your fingers that they make iPad apps.

linda_dongLinda Dong is a designer who worked on Apple’s Prototyping Team, exploring new user-interaction concepts for future hardware and technology. Before that, she worked on Apple’s Video Apps Team and helped design the latest versions of Final Cut Pro and iMovie. This post originally appeared on her personal website. Follow Linda on Twitter @lindadong

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  • BoltmanLives

    $899 to $1,179 bargain

  • Darthque

    initially i dismissed this as clickbait. then i saw her credentials. now all i can say is “Holy sh!t”. ahem

    • Taha Najam

      Her credentials? You mean she was on Apple’s payroll?

      • CelestialTerrestrial

        But her experience is with being a graphic designer that was experienced using a Wacom Cintiq product. and now she sounds like the Cintiq product is now an expensive hunk of crap in comparison.

      • Idon’t Know

        I’m very familiar with the Cintiq and it’s many let downs and I totally agree the iPad Pro destroys it.

    • I thought the same thing too for about half a second but then realized it could be easily biased.
      Oh well, I won’t dismiss anything yet. After all, it hasn’t hit the public yet.

  • freemdoom

    How many levels of pressure? Wacom has 2048, I can’t find any specs on Apple Pencil.

    • joelom

      I think we supassed a point where that number really makes a noticeable difference.

      • Shogmaster

        Correct. After 128 is just chasing after diminishing returns. One of my favorite Wacom Tablet PCs (Fujitsu T902) only utilizes 256 levels. I can’t tell what difference that makes from the 2048 of the Cintiq when I’m using them.
        Wacom has simply upped the pressure levels every new generation to get replacement sales from current users. No other reason.

      • Peter Plantec

        Joelom, it depends on your usage. 128 steps is simply not enough for pro fine art, animation or technical illustration.

      • The Cappy

        We can say that about color too, but posterization still happens. So I’m sure there are settings where the difference in pressure sensitivity matters. My own skills haven’t revealed those situations, mind you… but maybe betters artists have ;)

    • David Malcolm Puranen

      I had a Graphire with 1024, currently have an Intuos 4 with 2048, I can’t tell the difference in terms of levels of pressure. Realistically I think even 100 levels of pressure would probably be indistinguishable for most artists. (Though that’s just my theory I could be wrong.)

      Cintiqs do have a problem with colour accuracy though, the complaint is commonly that they’re not very bright or colour accurate.

      I seriously wonder how many people will replace their Cintiqs with iPad Pros and AstroPad.

      • I can see a difference in pressure levels with a £50 graphics tablet compared to a Wacom. So I think in the case of the apple pencil, if you are going to want to properly sketch like you would with a real pencil.. knowing pressure is pretty important? I find it bizarre the Apple Pencil has no mention of pressure levels.

      • Pete Miller

        Not bizarre at all. Apple is well known for leaving out important performance details of their products, such as RAM.

      • art hackett

        Besides, numbers are irrelevant if the UI and UX are rubbish. Try it to see if it does what you need, Linda seems to think so. Would it have have better if she used to work for Goog or MS? Both are well known for their interface design and UI.

      • Invertex

        No, we’re saying it would be better if she worked at neither. Her work history shows a clear bias in favor of Apple.

      • lucascott

        They would rather folks focus on the output than the specs

      • Peter Plantec

        Ditto!

      • laurelobrien

        I didn’t think pressure mattered but when I went back to 512 from 1024 for a couple weeks I reeeally noticed it. Chunky step-downs in size with brushes, especially in Photoshop (which is partially Photoshop’s fault but hey, it’s gotta work with your main program). Anything 1024 and higher starts entering smooth, really-can’t-tell-the-difference territory, so personally I’d want to make sure Apple Stylus had at least that many before dropping $900.

        Drawing a line with 100 levels would look like a caterpillar, it sounds like a lot but it’s not when each level is just your program laying down a different-sized circle

      • PMB01

        Looked pretty smooth. Also, Adobe isn’t doing Photoshop for iOS anymore so your point is kinda moot.

      • Peter Plantec

        Adobe is going all out in partnership with Apple bringing creative cloud apps to the iPad Pro…they even presented at the Launch event. They seem to feel the stylus is adequate for their apps. I suspect the helped Apple design the 3d touch stylus.

      • laurelobrien

        Adobe is bringing a full suite of mobile apps to iOS.. but Photoshop isn’t the only app that requires good pressure sensitivity, it’s just particularly bad compared to other programs. I’d still like to know how sensitive it is independent of an advertisement for any professional use.

      • Idon’t Know

        Lots. Most. Everyone who can.

      • art hackett

        I almost feel sorry for Wacom. Have they just been Sherlocked?

      • Brrr

        The levels of pressure are easily noticeable when you want to use a large brush to make thin strokes. This allows you to vary the line weight throughout the drawing without changing brushes. When a tablet has low(er) pressure sensitivity, instead of a smooth transition between line thicknesses, you get a series of connected dots that change size in jumps. This dot-blob behaviour is readily visible at several points of Apple’s demo of the Pencil.

      • Hope to see someone try out AstroPad soon enough, really wondering how well it’ll work.

      • pixelkitty

        I had the same thing, used to have old Graphire 3 at home, at work it’s an Intuos 4 w/ 2048 and now at home I have a brand new reg. Intuos (cheap new line) w/ 1024 and I honestly think the old Intuos 4 (professional) is way smoother than any of them.
        But maybe it’s only noticeable if you’re specifically using it for high resolution illustration?

    • Shogmaster

      Wacom varies between 256~2048, depending on model.

    • Peter Plantec

      My question exactly. I dislike that Apple often leaves out critical specs. Will it be accurate enough for serious professional work? Who knows at this point?

    • lucascott

      Levels of pressure is basically spec wanking. It’s like evaluating a camera based on the MP only. Every graphic artist I know says they can’t find a difference between 1024 and everything higher.

      • freemdoom

        I’ll be perfectly happy with 1024 levels, but Apple isn’t saying. Who’s to say it won’t be 100 levels? Believe me, you will absolutely notice a difference at that quality.

        Don’t get me wrong, I love Apple products and I am rooting for the iPad Pro, I want it to be great. But I was really hoping for a Wacom style screen like the Surface Pro 2 had, with an Apple OS.

      • Invertex

        Yes, above 1024, pressure levels don’t make any noticeable difference really. But Apple has not stated the levels, the the demo makes it look somewhere near 256 to 512, which is not good for professional use.

    • kavok

      Maybe Apple didn’t say anything about levels of pressure, because there are no “levels” to speak of. It could very well be that the sensitivity is enough to go from a single pixel to the maximum size of the brush you’re using with a myriad degrees of thickness in-between. They also didn’t say how the Pencil works with the “3D Touch” system… Maybe they leveraged that to work with it somehow.

      • Lucky De

        I dont think you understand how levels work. It’s like going from 8 bit 16 bit to 4k video. You’re not literally using every pixel, its more like when you need to put pressure down on it the more range it has the more precise it will be the more it will react like a proper pen/brush

  • Nupicasso

    I was hoping for an objective non-bias article, but she worked for Apple. And she lost some credibility using words like “whack” and “sucks”.

    I guess I’ll have to wait for some real world reviews and hands on before I decide to buy.

    I want a solid tablet with a stylus, but hate the Surface design and am not fond of Samsung’s tablets (though I use a Note 5 phone which I love).

    • Linda Dong

      This article started off as a post on my personal blog where I’m used to using more…colloquial language. Taking out my history at Apple, this is really an article written by a designer who used a Cintiq throughout college and work and is highly aware of the drawbacks and short-comings of Wacom hardware. Take this more personal assertion that the iPad Pro + Apple Pen combo will match and most likely far surpass the Cintiq experience. Definitely wait for more technical demo’s if you’re still on the fence, I’m not in the business of doing spec comparions.

      Cheers, Linda

      • Nupicasso

        Fair play to you. Its hard to identify fanaticism with actual honest data on these sites at times. I respect your opinion and appreciate you taking the time to respond I look forward to checking it out.

      • DarthDisney

        You did notice this place is called “Cult”.. you are the one who is deluded.

      • Taha Najam

        > Take this more personal assertion that the iPad Pro + Apple Pen combo will match and most likely far surpass the Cintiq experience.

        And you know this how? How much experience do you have with the former?

      • Linda Dong

        I did not base it off of just the Keynote.

      • brokedownsystem

        I’ve never had a Wacom drawing pad (they all seemed to be terrible and not inexpensive) so I’m really excited by this latest product announcement from Apple. Thanks for the inputs Linda!

      • freemdoom

        As a digital retoucher who’s been using Wacom tablets on desktops for 25 years, saying to “run far away” from Wacom seems premature without more info. Without a digitizing surface I’m not convinced the sensitivity of a real tablet will be achievable with the Pencil. Apple has not given any specs on the pen that truly matter. Until I see this new Adobe app and if it’s a true professional program is also a good reason to hold off on running away.

      • Idon’t Know

        Are you aware the screen is especially designed for this and its not just the pencil?

      • freemdoom

        It’s not a real digitizer like a Wacom tablet, which is why it requires a battery. Wacom pens do not need charging.

      • PMB01

        The digitizer is in the iPad Pro screen, like all of Apple’s touchscreens. Or do you not understand how touchscreens work?

      • lucascott

        Then hold off. That’s the beautiful of a free system. You can keep using your Wacom to your hearts delight. The rest of us can decide for ourselves what we want to use

      • freemdoom

        Thanks for the advice, that cleared a whole lot up. As someone who is a fan of Apple products I was under the impression I had to buy it on day one. Good to know that’s not the case.

      • silmasan

        :D … You’re being too patient/nice/kind to them. (Dear Guardians of the Silver Bitten Fruit: There’s nothing to defend here, guys. It’s just another tool in the shop. OK, a _premium_ tool. Happy?)

        Anyway, I’m an Intuos and Painter user currently, I’d like to compare Cintiq/Surface/iPad Pro hands-on for an extended period soon, to get more familiar with the characters & limitations of each package. If the latency is much better then I’m glad for it, and as you say, it’s just a matter of having more full-featured apps. OK I’m half-kidding myself, it won’t replace your 64GB RAM workstation plus the Quadro, but it’ll still make a good sketching pad.

        One thing I was hoping to see is the ability to use the iPad Pro as HID for Mac (like a desktop Cintiq), I’m not sure if it has already been demonstrated before. That would extend the functionality a lot more than the current iOS-apps-only situation (I can see many Mac users will want to try it with e.g. Affinity Photo/Designer already).

      • Jason Emery

        Other artists I know prefer the Surface Pro over the Cintiq. That’s the other viable candidate right now, in part because they can use full drawing apps instead of the cut-down iOS versions (if any).

      • Guest

        Linda, how could you know that the Apple Pro is better if it isn’t out yet?

      • Idon’t Know

        So nobody anywhere has ever used it? Like the guy pictured drawing on it? Or someone who used to work for Apple?

      • Lind used to work at Apple. And she helped develop the Pencil.

      • If you look at Linda’s bio, you’ll see that se helped develop the Pencil while she worked at Apple. She has pretty extensive hands-on experience, even though it’s not yet available to the rest of us. And as Linda explains above, she also has a lot of experience with Wacom products.

      • Jason A. Quest

        Oh, so the problem isn’t that she doesn’t know what she’s talking about, but that she’s way too damn close to the product to evaluate it objectively.

      • lucascott

        She was totally upfront about her Apple connection. If that is an issue for you then you could have hit the back button and moved on.

      • David Malcolm Puranen

        Sadly I think some of the scepticism of Linda probably has to do with her not being a white male, Which sucks, especially since this is the first article I’ve read on the subject so far that actually gave an opinion, and was thoughtful. (I especially appreciated the comment about how air gapped the screen is on the Cintiqs) I’ve been debating for a long time about buying a Cintiq, but at the same time I’ve also been incredibly frustrated with the third party iPad styluses out there. Sadly I don’t have money to buy the Pro, so for now I’ll try and save and wait for version 2 :)

      • Paul Josephson

        Your are the PC bigot as not one comment mentions your PC assumptions about people blaming her sex or race. Plain and simple. The skepticism is because she worked for Apple further enhanced language of her writing is one of fanboyish behavior, Words like “Sucks” comes to mind. More importantly she does this comparing a limited experience with iPad Pro to years of using the Cintiqs.

        This would s like dating somebody for years and getting know their quirks (warts and all). Then a start to date somebody new thinking how perfect everything was during that honeymoon period. Perfect because those quirks you had with previous partner don’t seem to be around. Then you learn start to learn all quirks with this new person. All this greatest thing since toast talk is suspicious. She espouses there are no issues in with the iPad Pro and that is sign of a biased individual. “Run away, run away…” Speaking of reviews, I have read several firsthand reviews of people using the Pencil and they point obvious issues a designer would have only after using it briefly.

        I am not saying the Pencil doesn’t look interesting and a good, it does. I am saying that people are not against her because she is a women that is just plain stupid and even though it looks interesting it still is an Apple super fan comparison.

      • Linda Dong

        Wow you really got carried away with that metaphor didn’t you? Again, this was grabbed from my personal blog, I did not write this piece with the intention of it going onto media sites, hence the casual vernacular.

        I felt like responding because I have much more experience with the product than you suggest and thought it was funny that you called me an “Apple Super Fan”. If you knew me in person you’d know I can be their harshest critic as well.

      • Pete Miller

        “If you knew me in person you’d know I can be their harshest critic as well.”

        That’s nice to hear but I would appreciate more *public* criticism when they rightly deserve it from people within the industry. Sadly, you see little of that in any significant way. I know this article is about the Apple pencil but I read nothing about the appalling and broken design and functionality of Safari on the iPad, for example. I’m beyond stunned that such a God awful browser never gets mentioned on these types of sites. Or how awfully slow an iPad usually gets after even just one major iOS update, making it a product I can no longer recommend to people. I’m also stunned how you see no articles talking about how Apple has mind-bogglingly mostly ignored the existing iPads, to include not updating an iPad (the Air, and their best selling size) at all, (a first!) especially as iPad sales continue to drop.

        Apple still makes a lot of great products (I own many of them) but the silence of criticism *from the industry,* when warranted, is helping to keep a once great company from remaining great. Unfortunately it seems like you have to be someone rich and famous, like Taylor Swift, to get Apple to consider doing anything that they should. People like you, in the industry, can make a difference if enough of you speak up.

      • art hackett

        It is disappointing about the limited function of many apps on iOS, but when you see how non nerds can screw up their computers, it’s easy to understand why Apple takes this approach, although the way OS updates bog down devices seriously irritates me as well, so I tend to wait (a lot) before doing anything, or just not updating till it’s unavoidable.
        It’s easy to assume that Apple imposes limitations or “downgrades” performance solely for the profit motive, but I bet they’re just the compromises they deem necessary to provide the experience and function they’re trying to achieve. You can’t assume they operate the same way as every other enterprise, and iOS was never presented as Pro – till now.
        I also hate the way they keep removing ports and never even provided a micro sim slot on the new pad, like high speed wireless is ubiquitous and reliable.
        Have you not tried alternative browsers like iCab, Atomic and Mercury? I know you can’t make them the default, but they have so many more features, they’re almost desktop level.
        Remember, iOS is not designed for you, it’s for your regular people, but a secret pro setting would be great. Maybe if you have a Dev account or something like that, it could be enabled.

      • PMB01

        Because all of those criticisms are false. Can’t find something that doesn’t exist in reality.

      • art hackett

        You can’t win against these people, try to stop reading them. You might need to turn off alerts! They’d attack their own posts if there was a different name against them.

      • lucascott

        Linda, don’t. Responding to folks like this is giving them what they want — attention. There are tons of folks around this site and all sites like this. No matter what you do or say you won’t win. So don’t waste your time.

        And remember that just because you are an “Apple Super Fan” doesn’t make you wrong or less entitled to an opinion. if they don’t like what you have to say they can just go do their own research and form their own opinions.

      • David Malcolm Puranen

        Dude, I didn’t call you a bigot. (Though based on your response you very well might be.) I implied that you were not self aware enough to realize that your own innate sexism and racism were affecting your capability to appreciate a view point you already didn’t like, IE Wacom isn’t God, (Though they are owned by a cult.) particularly when given by someone who doesn’t have the traits you, and many others associate with inherent credibility. (White, male, preferably with at least a little facial hair)

        I suspect if Linda’s name had been my name, and my photo had been there instead of her’s, you’d have assumed I had a decent idea of what I was talking about. You might have even said, “I enjoy how casual he is, saying that the previous way of doing things sucks. It reminds me of all those times Steve Jobs said that things sucked … and nobody complained.”

        And Linda has made it probably as clear as she can without breaking some Apple NDA that she’s had a chance to use the product.

        I get that Wacom gives your crotch 2048 levels of pressure. But grow up and stop pretending that someone is somehow politically correct (2048 levels of boner pressure is not something a politically correct person talks about) and recognize that normal people disapprove of your unwillingness to respect women and people of other ethnic backgrounds.

        And before you come in with, “I do, respect women, why the other day I held a door open for a woman, and helped fix her vacuum cleaner, so she could make me a sandwich!” If you really respected women, you wouldn’t have called me “the real bigot”. You’d have said, “I disagree, I don’t think anyone is reacting to anything but her writing.” But you didn’t, you got defensive because you know deep down you’re a racist, sexist, douche.

      • Paul Josephson

        You can’t even curse without being a micro aggressive sexist. “douche”. Funny! By the way you did not imply/infer anything your very first statement said it outright. It reads “the skepticism of Linda probably has to do with her not being a white male,” What words did I use anywhere but judge her on the merits on her zealous statements in a her review. Actually, where did anybody say anything about her sex or the color of her skin. Only you did anything that comes close to i anything of that sort.

        But your own prejudicial beliefs are evident in that very statement. Without evidence you assume that it must be the case that is because she is a women or heaven forbid not white that commenters are picking apart her review not on the merits of her own statements. Yet most of the comments that disagreed withher show clear examples of where they believed she was inaccurate, but yeah go with it must because they must be female hating white males argument; it’s a winner.

        As for me you clearly have me pegged. Yup, that’s me, racists and sexist and a female hygiene device. I still find in funny that you call someone sexists against women by insult them with “douche”. By the by, I clearly showed where your were prejudicial. Now you back up your last statements about me by pulling apart my original comment and find one racists, or sexist statement. I tell you what go back and find one statement from any commenter here that proves your point about all these people that are judging here because of race or sex.

      • The Cappy

        Sadly, you appear to have played the bigotry card facing the wrong direction. The majority of the posts talk exclusively about the Wacom vs Pencil question. The few that stray toward the personal point out her Apple-based bio, which is precisely the treatment a while male would receive.

      • Pete Miller

        Dude, give the gender and race card a rest. It’s ignorant and childish BS. The vast majority of American men couldn’t care less whether a person is white and male. Being honest, not being a jerk, doing your job well, and not carrying the race and gender flag, will get you the respect of the vast majority of white American males in any job.

      • SJW

        We get it Malcolm” you’re a male feminist SJW… some of your previous comments for reference:

        “It’s important to remember A) Angela is British, B) she’s female C) the people ticked off at her are male and American.”

        “Part of the problem is that there is a huge dearth of female software developers and engineers.”

        “You forgot that the ad is horribly sexist.”

        Congratulations, you’ve made yourself less sexually appealing to women.

        Now, can you please stick to the facts, like how this article is patent-ly heavily biased by being written by an Apple employee and not informative or useful in any way, shape or form to real digital artists looking for an alternative to Wacumm~

      • art hackett

        The non white male part might be true, but pretty much anything said pro apple is attacked, so if you can ignore the extremists, it’s possible to follow a reasonably sensible conversation.
        The idea of the Cintiq has always appealed to me as well, but the expense and limited range of use, never mind issues like the air gap has put me off. Too bad the Pencil won’t work with trackpads as well.

      • Jason A. Quest

        My contempt for this article has nothing to do with her gender or race, and everything to do with it being so blatantly biased.

      • lucascott

        she admitted the connection right at the top. You didn’t have to keep reading

      • Robert

        I just received my Cintiq Hybrid. Well, I’m not even going to bother opening the box. It goes back today. Regardless of her work history, she makes valid points about portability of the iPad pro vs the drawbacks of the cintiq.

      • pixelkitkat

        Why wouldn’t you even try it? They give you 30 days to decide whether you like it!
        Seems silly.

      • Shogmaster

        I don’t know Linda. Only things I read in your article was only pointing out the negatives of the Cintiq Companions while only pointing out the positives of the Apple Pencil on iPad Pro.

        Cintiq Companion is a very flawed product, no doubt, but that’s their failing of their mobile device designers, not their digitizer technology. Apple Pencil utilizes the same powered projected capacitive pen approach that likes of N-Trig utilizes, but as N-Trig has shown against Wacom, They win on some points, and they lose on others. If you were such an Cintiq expert and wanted to objectively compare the two, you should have pointed out the pros and cons of Electro Magnetic Resonance set up of Wacom vs Active Projected Capacitive set up of Apple Pencil.

        Unfortunately you glossed over all the technical details that would have been helpful and only made rah rah marketing bullet points in favor of the iPad Pro. Totally missed opportunity if ever there was one.

      • art hackett

        Thanks for your post Linda, what you describe is pretty much what I expected from it as soon as they announced Pencil. Sorry you have been exposed to the nutters that troll Apple sites.

      • gcreedle

        I am a Cintiq owner/user and I would have to agree with “whack” too. For an instrument used in color critical applications, it falls far short. Personally, I cannot wait for iPad Pro and Apple Pencil. It will change my professional life in a major way.

      • Jason A. Quest

        You’re also not in the business of doing fair comparisons. Perhaps you aren’t sophisticated enough of a user to have gotten around to taking advantage of the Wacom’s buttons or other mechanical shortcuts, but the fact that you don’t even acknowledge that other users might miss them renders this little handjob for Apple pretty worthless.

      • Moeskido

        It’s an opinion piece, written about one person’s use-case. Perhaps you’re not sophisticated enough of a critic.

      • Mel

        Can you tell us how many pressure lvl the pen has? The fact the info can’t be found anywhere kinda makes me worried I’d hit a wall pretty quickly in terms of drawing/painting and that this pen/tablet might be better for graphic design/vector.

    • mindbomb2000

      From the few hands-on reviews I’ve read, the iPad Pro seems like it’s going to be amazing for artists. I’m super excited to get a decent device for around a grand to draw on. Cheers!

      • Jan Vlach

        You can get amazing device for only about tenth that! Just visit any arts store in the country and pick for yourself.

      • tralalalalalala50

        But then you have to make horrible non vector copies of it and it loses all value when you distribute to 10,000 partners.

      • mindbomb2000

        I have and use analog tools as well. But I’ve found that, strangely, airlines frown upon me using oils on board. It’s about picking the right tool at the right time, for the right project.

    • Josiah

      Dude, look at the name of the website. What would you expect but bias?

      • herbaled

        Then why are you here?

      • CelestialTerrestrial

        Really? Then maybe you need to run along to another site that’s biased towards a product you like so we don’t have to listen to someone that just likes throwing useless comments that are meaningless and definitely filled with bitterness, spite, and jealousy with some ignorance sprinkled on top.

      • Patlex

        Sure, but it could have easily gone get a Wacom Cintiq and pair it to your iMac, or Macbook Pro. Or better yet Mac Pro. To me that show even more Mac basis.

    • DarthDisney

      God lord. She doesn’t work there anymore, she disclosed it, and uses words in the modern vernacular.

    • pickme2

      I wouldn’t spend $1k on something without trying it out. Ten minutes will tell me more about the product and my potential satisfaction than most third party reviews.

    • lucascott

      If you think using works like whack and sucks are credibility killers you might not want to keep reading this site. Cause CoM uses language like that all the time.

  • Erik Koblence

    Lol the color is whack.

    • joelom

      It really is. Working between displays is really rough when you’re trying to get a Pantone color to look at true possible.

  • It’s not clear from the article. Has the author actually used an Apple Pencil? I’m not convinced yet about it having or not having ANY (or low) latency.

    • CelestialTerrestrial

      Obviously, at at the product announcement and possibly at Apple Corporate. But she said she has used the product.

      • The Cappy

        Actually, I don’t think she did. She says she used Cintiqs. I re-read the post and I don’t think she actually says she has used the iPad Pro + Pencil.

      • Linda Dong

        I worked on both products.

      • The Cappy

        Outstanding. Thanks for the reply. I was already cautiously optimistic about the Pencil. Now I think I’m beginning to get excited.

    • The Cappy

      Watch the videos of people drawing on the tablet. You can see some latency. There’s actually no good way to avoid it. But it may well be that the Apple Pencil will give us a much lower latency than the Cintiq. That’s certainly what the author expects. I don’t think anyone should make any assumptions until they actually get a chance to use one in person. A lot will depend on the app, too. There will be very demanding apps with more lag and less demanding apps with less lag.

    • lucascott

      She helped create the Pencil, which might not be totally clear from the article.

      And a lot of media were at the event and got to hands on both.

  • Kuipo

    I’m very curious how the resolution is on the Pencil. I don’t know how accurate it gets at very small things like handwriting etc. I want to know for note taking but also because I’d love to learn to draw digitally but have never learned. I almost got a Wacom but held off in case Apple announced something… which they did.

    • jonathanober

      Evernote or even Apple’s built in Notes app looks to really good from what we have been shown.

    • CelestialTerrestrial

      It goes down the pixel level and the iPad Pro has 2732 by 2048 resolution. Is that detailed enough?

      • Prith IV P

        and in the Announcement, IVE added, “Apple pencil has the accuracy to write on a Single Pixel”.

  • Ben Green

    One issue though is that unless Adobe release iOS near-full versions of Photoshop or Illustrator (unlikely given CC model now), or the Pro can be hooked up as a drawing tablet, pro-creatives are a bit limited?? Cintiq at least enables you to draw directly in your Mac software. Affinity are developing versions of their software for iOS – which could really hit Adobe (no bad thing really) and would be perfect if you can switch from OS X to iOS versions easily. When that happens, or it doubles as an input device/drawing tab for Mac, I really WILL be excited about the iPad Pro and Pencil. :)

    • Kevin

      There’s an app called Astropad (OSX & iOS) that supposedly let your iPad work like a Wacom tablet when connected to the Mac (I say supposedly because I’ve yet to try it for myself, but it looks really good from their video).

      Check it out.

      I think the combo of iPad Pro + Pencil + Astropad may be a good alternative to Cintiq.

      • Ben Green

        I forgot about ArtRage… That would be awesome on it…

    • Ken Rogers

      I have been using a cintiq hybrid companion for a few years now. I have used it with Krita (windows via bootcamp), Mischief(windows via bootcamp), Clover Paint(android) and more recently Art Rage(Android/OS X/Windows/iOS). I like different aspects of each tool but I love Krita the most for their brush creation/customization features. But since Art Rage came out for Android I have switched to using that the most, mostly because I can now easily work on the go and then continue my work on Windows/OS X. My point is that now that Art Rage is available on iOS, this same portability is possible between iPadPro and OS X. I am very curious as to how much latency and pressure there is since I use complex brushes that eat a lot of GPU. The fact that there is no native connectivity with an OS X device kind of sucks. But I will not make a purchase based off an article. My advice is to go to an Apple Store and TRY IT. That is my plan at least. BTW I paid about $1500-$1700 for my wacom and they are now around $1200. So the price points are not too far off if you are going for the larger iPadPro.

    • PMB01

      There are plenty of good drawing apps out already. I have artist friends that use their iPads for drawing a lot.

      • Ben Green

        Oh yeah, I know there’s many good ones, but to be aimed at ‘pro’ level it surely needs to run ‘industry standard’ software, such as Photoshop (will need to see how powerful the iOS one is) and Illustrator? Or at least be easily compatible? This is where Affinity I think could really hit Adobe if their new iOS apps work well with the desktop counterparts.

        I’m excited for the Pro – if it’s good I’d love one to replace my Wacom as it would be so much more than a tablet, but I need to be able to use my day-to-day software with it.

      • PMB01

        “Pro level” is subjective; it depends on the artist. Not everyone uses Photoshop. It just depends on what they can use to get the job done. If they can do it in Paint, good for them. There are plenty of artists already that do professional work on an iPad. It just depends on what you do.

  • bobfun

    I think anyone thats used a cintiq knows that your description of latency doesn’t even come close to the actual experience of using one on any decent hardware. Your feelings on stylus and design are your own and without a doubt the ipad pro will be a lighter device then a companion but you can’t run photoshop, manga studio or zbrush on it.
    In other words it doesn’t even come close to being a professional product. I’m sure it’ll be great for sketching.

    • Richard Ludwig

      “Professional” product is relative to the person producing the work. In case you haven’t noticed, there are some REALLY nice apps that run on iOS today, notably Sketchbook (which is phenomenal). Not to mention Adobe’s commitment to iOS will continue to turn out even better apps.

      Also, the latency on Cintiqs CAN be an issue. Maybe if you’re on a Mac Pro and have the high end Cintiq is less of an issue, but I find Linda’s critiques dead-on. I ended up switching to a Surface Pro because of it and I’m happier. The iPad Pro and Pencil looks like it’s going to kick Surface’s butt!

      • Chris Conley

        Sketchbook IS straight up phenomenal, as is Zbrush.

      • DaniJoy

        agreed! i use it daily. its wonderful for sketching and rendering. i love the perspective tools. just wish it had all the more powerful features that photoshop has. i always end up back in photoshop after the sketch stage.

      • Ken Rogers

        It is not, once you start using large custom brushes.

      • bobfun

        No it’s not, It’s either ‘professional’ or it isn’t. iPad Pro isn’t. There are professionals that can ‘Make do’ with certain tools, if anything thats what this is, a ‘Make do’ device that runs iOS with few drawing apps that we don’t know if they will even work with the ‘Pencil’ yet. The promise of Adobe delivering a usable iOS Photoshop replacement is just that, a promise that has yet to materialize (would be great if it did) and probably won’t for a long long time.

        I really would like to know what the actual drawing feel of this device is, the alarmingly biased misrepresentation of what a similar Wacom product performs like isn’t helping us to know how it feels.

      • Darth Sidious

        Because of iOS limitations with memory, storage and the lack of a file system, there is no way the iPad Pro to able to handle the large workflows that are typical using Adobe products. I usually deal with 200 layers PSD files. iPad Pro is only good for doodling, no real work.

      • Pete Miller

        No evidence of bias has been shown.

      • PMB01

        A designer who has used both products extensively is “alarmingly biased”? Go home, you’re drunk.

      • lucascott

        Sorry but disagree with you that using an iPad is just a ‘make do’. I sure as hell am a professional filmmaker (and not that its your business but I don’t use my professional name on any social media so that’s why you won’t find me in IMDB etc and no I don’t care what your opinion is about my protecting my private life in such a way) and I don’t ‘make do’ with using an iPad. I have friends that are professional artists that don’t ‘make do’ with an iPad. We use the best tool for the job we need to do, which is a cornerstone of being a professional along with the quality of our actual work.

      • Darth Sidious

        Not a chance as the Surface Pro has a complete OS, a file system and desktop applications so that your workflow can be done unabated.

    • Paul Hogg

      well said Bobfun

    • zzz

      It other words, its the coloring book of the devices :)

  • Shogmaster

    None of those complaints apply to many existing Windows pen slates like Surface Pro 3. Surface Pro 3 also uses battery powered Electrostatic pen, which polls at around 120Hz like the Apple Pencil, and has no parallax problem.
    Given the right app like Clip Studio Paint, there is no lag or latency, and has intuitive multi touch functions for canvas panning and zooming. And it’s only 0.2 lbs heavier than iPad Pro while giving you full computer functionality. And it starts at same price. And you can run real Photoshop on it. And Painter. And Z Brush etc…

    In a world without these Windows tablets, iPad Pro and Apple Pencil may have been revolutionary devices, but that ship sailed several years ago thanks to Microsoft and many ODMs.
    Those artists who ill advisedly went after Cintiq Companion instead of these existing Windows slates for the sake of brand name chasing will also chase after iPad Pro and Apple Pencil for the same reason. And they will realize soon after purchase that it’s not useful enough for their workflow without Photoshop, Painter, Z Brush, Illustrator, etc…

    • Richard Ludwig

      I agree that Surface Pro 3 is light years ahead of Cintiq – it’s the reason I switched.

      Having said that…
      (1) I wouldn’t say there are NO parallax or latency issue, but they’re fairly minimal and nothing to really comment on.
      (2) On the app debate… It depends on the person how important that is. I personally find it impossible to draw in Photoshop on a tablet – far too many controls, menus, etc. I like Sketchbook for most of my stylus work and use Photoshop for touch up and finalization work. I’m interested in the iPad Pro for greater compatibility between my tablet and MacBook.

      • Shogmaster

        Parallax should be the same amount with the iPad Pro. Both has G-glass with touch layer bonded on top of the LCD, Latency totally depends on the app and the brush size. iPad Pro demos so far I’ve seen looks like using less than 100 pixels wide brushes. That’s trivial for fast apps like Clip Studio Paint.

        App is purely depends on how “professional” this device really wants to pretend. Without Photoshop, even though I never draw with it, my workflow is shot. I need it to manipulate images for presentation to my clients, even if it’s a simple arrangement of drawn images. If you just want to casually draw, I’m sure this device is fine. But for that task, $900 starting price is a tough justification IMO.

    • DaniJoy

      no pro’s i know would take a SP3 over a CC2. CC2 has Far better line quality, expresskeys, more powerful processor- its made for art. Parallax, is not an issue for me. she’s making up issue’s with Wacom, or commenting on decades old hardware. only things i dont like is the poor battery life, and fan noise. i guess we all have different preferences.

      • Shogmaster

        Please… I would much rather carry around SP3 than CC2. I’d be much more productive with it longer. CC2 is too much of a compromised mobile device. The battery life sucks, its’ too damn heavy, and the anti glare coating making everything look vasolined. You can keep your express keys too when USB keyboard is always an option.

        Actually, given the choice, I’d much rather carry something like Toshiba Portege Z20t than either SP3 nor CC3. You get Wacom software compatibility and pressure curve, but with a 1.7lbs 12.5″ tablet with Core M and 8GB of RAM with 256GB SSD and option to get 16 hours of battery life with the addition of the keyboard dock. Currently I carry around a Helix 2 and Surface 3 combo, but Helix 2’s 11.6″ canvas is a bit too small. Z20t would be a great replacement for it.

      • Ken Rogers

        Good information here. Thanks!

      • DaniJoy

        What are you too weak to carry a few pound tablet workstation around? come on. its very portable. I think the SP3 is a great device, for students and hobbyist painters. But you are trying to say a low end tablet pc is better than a high end workstation tablet pc? come on. a 15w processor vs a 35w processor? 8gb ram vs 16 gb? sure, every artist may not need the power in the CC2, or the better pen, but most will want it.

        i have a SP3 I7 its a great sketchbook. but the Ntrig with 256 levels of pressure lacks a refined feeling and is inferior to 2000 pt pressure sensitivity on wacom- and the pen design is lacking IMO. oh and no rotation with SP3 or apple. this matters when you make a living doing art. sure many great artist make great art on both devices. shoot, i can paint with a walnut stick with ink made from walnut or coffee. but pro’s want every advantage they can get- because time is money in art. these tools save time. you make more money.

        3-5 hours of battery on the CC2 is plenty for most needs. Just plug it in. how can you not find power? do you live in the woods? i am always near a plug, and if not i have a 300whr battery backup- that runs the CC2 for six charge cycles, or 30 hours roughly. i’ve only needed to use it once while camping. Its a mobile workstation- none of the low powered core M stuff is workstation grade. Plus if you have the desire, you can undervolt, and lower the TDP with the CC2 and get even more battery life.

        Oh, and my SP3 does not get that much better battery life. only a couple hours more than a CC2 when using pro apps- and you know WORKING. Oh, have you every tried to 3d model on a SP3? good luck, it instantly starts throttling and overheating, and the experience is horribly slow. On the CC2 its completely fluid. The original CC1 (which i also have) kills a SP3 with pro apps. dont forget there is a I3 CC2 that has much better battery life. just dont expect to do 3d it has the same tdp as the SP3.

        add a usb to your SP3 and its still portable? so you work on the train with you keyboard on your lap? sounds comfortable- not. come on, those express keys are super important feature if you want to paint on the go in photoshop.

        Wawawa, screen protector, at least it comes with one, that simulates paper. i had to buy one for my SP3 to get the proper tactile feel. Oh, you can also buy an aftermarket screen protector for the CC2 that is clear and tactile (the same you need to buy for a SP3)

        I have the choice and make more than enough to buy any system i want. i even try the tablets first hand to see what works best for me. your blanket statements are ridiculous to anyone who actually has owned these tablets. i gave my SP3 to my little brother. he loves it. but he would take my CC1 or CC2 in a second over the SP3.

        That all being said, the SP3 is a great tablet that works well for making art.Good luck with 3d, but i would recommend it in a second to students who need a computer that will get the job done for a good price. For me, i only want one device that can do all my work. so far, only the CC2 can do this.

      • Shogmaster

        My questionable manliness aside, 13″ slate that weighs more than 4 lbs BEFORE the stand and keyboard add on is simply terrible. And that’s even before we bring up 4 hour best case scenario battery life during productivity.
        But the very idea of using TDK digitizer in a mobile device was ill advised in the first place. DTK was never meant for use on a mobile device, and the reason why DTU/Penabled was retrofitted for use on mobile tablet computers was because it was much more form factor and battery friendly. With DTU, likes of Toshiba can bring you a fantastic 1.7lbs 8+ hours battery life Tablet PC with nearly the same screen size as the CC.

        Wacom designed the Cintiq Companion as a mobile Cintiq first, and as a mobile computer second. And that’s why it’s a terrible mobile device and mediocre Cintiq because of the tiny screen. It’s the worst of both worlds.

        But you need to skate uphill to prove your manliness so keep praising Cintiq Companion as a mobile device. Less and less people will agree with you as time moves forward.

      • DaniJoy

        i see some of your points, in an ideal world we would have power, battery, and pen performance. in a tiny size. but no device has that capability. CC2 its the only portable workstation available today that i can work from. the SP3 wont work for me. i chokes with zbrush. your assertion above that it runs zbrush is not true. sure it runs it, but very pooly with huge slowdowns. i cant model with with any subz added. it chokes.

        i could care less about brands. i buy the best machine i can work from. ill defect in a second if the SP4 can do all that, or the apple, or the CC3. core m right now is underpowered for me so the toshiba would be pointless.

        I still don’t understand how 4lbs is too heavy for the capability of a portable workstation with a premium pen enabled screen. my old macbook pro weighed roughly the same and i traveled the world and that did not include the cintiq 13 i carried.

        seriously, what’s up with the brand hate? wacom makes a nice tablet too. maybe u dont need it, but don’t insult other people who the CC2 fits their needs.

      • Shogmaster

        What brand hate? I own 4 Tablet PCs right now with Wacom digitizer in them and have owned 4 different models of Cintiqs over the years (5 if you count the Sony LX900). It’s not Cintiqs I hate. I hate the execution of the Companions.

        And unless you have the one CC2 model with Broadwell i7, 16GB of RAM and Iris graphics, what your CC2 can run aren’t t far at all from what SP3 can run. Neither are setting the world on fire with their power.

      • PMB01

        And you’re making up issues about her to justify your opinion. Get over yourself.

      • DaniJoy

        clearly from the huge number of actual pro’s posting here, pointing out that most issues she mentioned do not exist, that there is extreme bias in this article. It’s not honest. I said nothing dishonest. I’m just an artist, not an apple employee.

    • Peter

      Correction, Apple Pencil polls at 240Hz.

  • What about Woz?

    • Darthque

      Hell yeah. The mans fucking brilliant.

      • That’s literally the first positive comment I’ve seen about him on this site XD Glad I’m not a lone wolf for once

      • cecemf

        You are not alone guys ;)

    • Peter Plantec

      He is elsewhere at the moment…

  • Richard Tobing

    form factor wise, i cant really argue against this article. But you completely ignored the software angle. Keep in mind that the ipad is still an ipad, meaning it works with a mobile operating system with mobile apps whereas wacom runs full windows OS. Unless ipad can run photoshop and zbrush, this is an apple vs orange comparison (no pun intended). A better comparison would be the ipad vs galaxy note

  • DaniJoy

    The Ipad Pro looks really cool. im planning on getting one to test. The pencil does look very nice- no parallax will be nice. But this seems far from a pro tool. Am I missing something here? It seems like a niche tool for the amateur artist. I’m honestly really skeptical about your claims, because I have a cintiq. This article seems biased. I have the cintiq companion 2. It is significantly ahead of the Ipad pro spec wise. There is no latency, and it comes with a retina screen. It’s not heavy, and fits in my backpack just fine. The color is great. The pen tip is not loose. Parallax is very easy to get used to. it took me one day. it has 16gb ram and a full 3.1 GHz I7 processor. Plus, I can hook it up to a mac pro as a screen for really big projects if needed (I never have).

    This is a mobile workstation tablet, that i make money with, doing illustration. Its not perfect, but it can run any 2d or 3d design package- without any compromise. This is a PRO tool. It’s all I need to make a living anywhere in the world I have a internet connection.

    I don’t understand how IOS apps can enable me to make a living without having another machine running photoshop? I’m willing to have an open mind and try it. But the adobe apps are so limited right now. Im
    thinking this will just be a fun portable sketchbook- a 1000$ sketchbook. Very cool and useful. But you can buy allot of sketchbooks for 1000$. Students don’t need a digital sketchbook, they need a computer that will run professional software, and most need to save money. I need full photoshop capabilities in a tablet. I dont want to carry two devices and have to pay for both the design suite and for apps.

    I really hope apple rethinks this, all we need is OSX (on a more powerful machine) or apps that are fully featured (on a more powerful machine). The ability to connect the Ipad pro to a mac pro as a screen, would be a welcome feature for a lot of artists. You get a nice screen that can double as a sketchbook, but can be plugged into a workstation for finishing work.

    I hate to say this, because i love OSX, but windows on the cintiq companion works really well. the stylus acts just like a mouse. its really easy to use, and it has the tablet mode for touch screen convenience. I think windows is making good choices by making tablets that are full PC’s OS. Ive never used their apps. I dont like how apple has fragmented IOS and OSX. It costs more money to get all the design software, and seems to take multiple devices. i only want one portable device. But, ill test the Ipad pro. I can always sell it if its not going to make my work-flow faster.

    I am really glad Apple is entering the content creation markets. Hopefully it really is a Pro tool. Competition is good for the consumer. Thanks for the interesting blog post. you sold me on trying the Ipad pro.

    • PMB01

      Entering it? Apple has been leading the content creation market for years. Audio and video editors and graphic designers have been using mostly Apple products for decades.

      • DaniJoy

        macs are great i have used many in the past. but the wintabs are way ahead now. sorry to say i left apple over two years ago. i hope they catch up. i like OSX. They have been focusing on consumer products and neglecting the pro content creation markets. Apple used to be the leader. now we just get gimped hardware that is not customizable.

        i think they only have those remaining designers and editors because of nostalgia. Some people just wont switch ever. you know fanboys. me personally, i could care less what brand i have. windows functions just as well as OSX now. i just want the best for my more needs. The Mac pro was a huge letdown for most editors and 3d guys (me included). Nothing better than getting a new workstation that is slower than a five year old workstation. and they still dont have a decent tab for content creators.

  • Patlex

    How is the Cintiq laggy? Like are you connecting to a first gen MBA or something? Cause Cintiq performance is mostly based on the device it’s connected to. Maybe try it with something a bit more power like a new MBP. LIke I’ve tested first gen Surface Pro 1, which is wacom based, and performance isn’t really a problem. The pen cursor moves with good speed and accuracy. Hell, just look at reviews of the Modbook Pro, also Wacom based, and see how not laggy they aren’t. Even on the earlier gen models pen performance is pretty good.

    • Richard Liu

      “Cintiq Companion” is a standalone computer, just like iPad Pro. Here is a example setup:
      – 13.1 IPS 1920*1080 TFT
      – Nvidia Tegra 4
      – 2GB DDR RAM
      – 16GB storage, up to 32GB
      – Android 4.2 Jellybean
      – 0.6 inch thickness
      – 3.9 pounds
      Price: start from US$1325

      • Shogmaster

        That’s the Android Companion. Cintiq Companion 2 now only exists as Core i3/i5/i7 Windows version with up to 16GB of RAM and 512GB SSD.

      • PMB01

        And that’s twice the price of the iPad Pro.

      • Richard Liu

        And how much does it cost ?

  • Wacom has been crap for decades now

    • Paul Hogg

      and how is that ?

      • zzz

        It does not have a fruit logo duh? /s

      • Paul Hogg

        I’m falling asleep at your comment zzz

    • Brrr

      Wacom is the gold standard for tablet input.

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  • Paul Hogg

    This is a really infantile article. I’ve used a Wacom for 20 years and im excited about the apple pencil but this review does nothing to inform me what I can expect. Firstly criticising the ergonomics of the pen is purely personal and I’m sure Wacom users will be more than happy with the shape of the pen which has been refined for over 20 years in fact the original was as thin as the Apple pen so I suspect there is a reason for its shape. Secondly and this is the real bug bear for me, Latency. I have never suffered from Latency since the 1990s ! ! I’m wondering what machine and Ram was used to run the Wacom tablet?.
    saying colour is Whack and not explaining the reasons why, means nothing.
    Now I know that Wacom needs to address needs for future artists like higher resolution etc but to dismiss a product that has served the industry for years is
    naive. I will post a update as soon as I have tried the Apple pen, looking forward to it.

    • Pete Miller

      It is irrelevant that the Wacom “has served the industry for years.” The only thing that matters is actual performance.

  • Congrats!! Apple invented the stylus… you are only 20 years behind…

    5 points for not to run away from Wacom devices:

    1.- They have 20 (30?) years of experience as the world leader in creating pressure sensitive devices.
    2.- Apple stylus pressure levels? regular Wacom devices offer 2048 levels, all features shown in the video and much more.
    3.- Apple pencil (needs external power) vs the award winning Wacom resonance system (no wires, no battery). In 10 years I used 5 models of wacom tablets, not a single fault on any of them.
    4.- 3rd party software?… if I can’t get Photoshop running, this Apple Pro is just an expensive toy.

    5.- If your Wacom device is not powerful enough to handle a big Photoshop file, you can use it a as monitor together with your computer (windows or Mac).

    I don’t say Wacom is perfect, actually their Companion is quite over priced, I just mean that this article sounds more like a shitty paid review (not to mention you work for Apple LOL). At any case, some competition for Wacom is always welcome.

    PS: The opinion of a 10 years Wacom and Apple user… buy a Wacom Cintiq 13″ (no touch) until we have really powerful tablets at a reasonable price.

    • PMB01

      Ugh…

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  • Lenny Terenzi

    What? This article holds zero water. Until this can run full professional level applications that actual design professionals use there is no reason to even try and compare them.

  • noneya

    Hmm so an Apple employee bashing another product…Of course she is going to say the Apple is better. But notice she didn’t say that Apple stole the idea from the Microsoft Surface Pro or from Samsung (granted neither invented the stylus and yes, the pencil is a stylus). When Microsoft and Samsung introduced the use of a stylus Apple laughed at the idea. Now look at them. Apple’s new slogan should be “We’ll wait, then copy.”

    • tralalalalalala50

      They didn’t need to copy the surface or Samsung. The iPad Pro is better.

      • eyedontcare

        I’m kind of hesitant to reply because of your trolly handle, but ffs here it goes. Your pretense is leaking. Until apple produces a tablet with desktop caliber architecture/specs and the capability to run big files & industry standard professional software packages, then it will remain a glorified sketchpad.

      • tralalalalalala50

        The iPad pro has 4GB of ram and can handle 4k video editing.

        You are asking the tablet to do to much. The surface is just a small form factor laptop with a keyboard that can fall off and a touch screen that isn’t optimized to a UI.

        A tablet has a custom UI/X to take advantage of multi-touch. It will take a while for the software that took decades to make for the old way of interfacing with computers to be updated. This is always the case though in industry.

      • noneya

        Let’s see, larger iPad, both the Surface and Note Pro were larger. Pencil, both stolen from the Note Pro and Surface Pro. Keyboard cover, stolen from the Surface Pro. Looks like copying to me.

      • tralalalalalala50

        S pen doesn’t tilt.

  • Jeff Wood

    How long since you worked on a Cintiq? They have a matte finish that adds some tooth similar to drawing on paper meaning no glare, highest color gamut out there that can be calibrated using an xrite and are quite the elegant digital drawing table. Yes, the full size models are heavy….for a very good reason….so they don’t jiggle around when you are using them. I agree with the comments on the cintiq pens, but the hardware as a whole is the best in the industry for illustrators. I spend 6-12 hours a day on a cintiq doing full blown paintings, line art, graphics and digital illustrations.

    I’m getting the iPad pro and pen for digital sketching, and I’m holding my breath that it will come close to the quality of the the cintiq. There is another issue of software. I hope Painter or Manga studio will step up and make iOS versions. The present drawing programs for iPads are ok, but having native apps of the programs I use on a daily basis would be really nice.

    • ianschopa

      THANK YOU. I can’t believe I had to read 50+ comments before someone addressed the topic of tactility. Very anxious to try it myself, but I’m not expecting plastic tip on glass will have a very good feel. This is where wacom mostly succeeds – the interaction of tip and drawing surface comes very close to using real media.

      • Brrr

        Not to mention that you can change the tips of Wacom styluses to get the feel you want. I prefer the hard felt tips to the plastic ones.

  • Jan Vlach

    I didn’t have a chance to try out a Cintiq, however I tried SurfacePro and the pen (supplied by Wacom), was light, precise and perfect in every way. I don’t recollect any lag in either Photoshop or Illustrator. And of course we are talking here about grown-up CC apps. So anyone using Cintiq hooked up to PC using C4D, SolidWorks or whatever… there is alternative for… No wait! They don’t give a fuck about apple’s newest invention…

  • Mz

    I have both an iPad with various styluses, or is it styli, and a Cintiq Companion. I use Procreate, Sketchbook and iDraw on the iPad and Photoshop, Illustrator and Sketchbook Pro on the Cintiq. The Cintiq blows the iPad out of the water. The iPad combo can’t produce a straight stroke like the Cintiq can nor is it nearly as powerful. I’ll keep my mind open until I try the pen, but I’m sceptical.

    • grkui

      Styli and styluses are both accepted, like virii and viruses.

      The -i form is personally too show-off.

  • nemesit

    the only thing the apple pen needs is measuring rotation

  • Inattentive Vigilant

    Biggest problem is size. For possibly hundreds of thousands of painters around the world, 12.9″ vs 27″ is just no match. Entire industries wouldn’t use this for regular workflow not just for that reason, but for dual monitors as well.

    Most of my work is enormous paintings. 4-8 field pans. All my tools are on a 2nd screen, with my stylus button set to screen-toggle. iPad Pro can’t do any of this.

    I haven’t experienced latency in years and years, so that seems like an entirely subjective matter and maybe old product.

    I’ll still buy one for painting outside of my office, but I think the comparison is still pretty weird.

  • AAPL.To.Break.$130.Soon>:-)

    Thank you for actually testing the product and finding something positive to say about it. Most of the pundits simply say the iPad is too expensive and the Pencil is too slippery to use. They say don’t buy the iPad Pro but the cheaper Microsoft Surface Pro 3.

  • James mason

    Sorry all of your points are irrelevant because you can’t run full applications like Photoshop, Manga Studio and Cinema 4d on the iPad.

    The screen on Cintiq’s are also designed for a pen against paper feel, because it’s specifically designed for artists. The iPad Pro, is designed for many uses and will be the master of none.

    iPad Pro might appeal to product designers and casual sketching, but it is nothing close to a professional art tool.

    • Pete Miller

      Professional art? No such a thing.

  • Robert Lamb

    Not really a fair comparison, a top of the line cintiq has a 27″ screen. Not to mention you can use actual software with a cintiq. Not whatever garbage, limited, iPad apps get released. For a professional the iPad pro looks anything but. Also I have a cintiq and use it regularly. Not sure what you’re doing to get such horrendous latency but that’s not my experience at all.

  • laurelobrien

    But how will you work on professionally? Layer management, moving files between programs, exporting and saving and batch processes? You can probably do *more* without bringing it to your desktop than with previous ipads running Procreate and a rubber stylus, but the iPad just doesn’t seem structured for so many tablet users’ workflows even if it’s powerful enough.

    Full versions of Photoshop, Illustrator, Painter, MangaStudio, ZBrush…? I don’t see it. I’d love to, I welcome anything that challenges overpriced cintiqs, but I feel like it will keep being “mobile apps” that get you 60% to the finish line.

  • C

    Dont think a student will be buying either of these products, Ipad Pro and Cintiq are different products, serving different workflows and programs. Can’t see Graphic design, concept art or even VFX companies using the IPAD pro as an alternative.

  • Peter Plantec

    Linda, this poses as journalism, but is really editorial with a clear bias. You may be right, but your use of emotionally charged negative expressions really cuts your credibility here.

    • mindbomb2000

      In fairness, this post originally appeared on her personal web page. Cult of Mac should have made that clearer.

      • Peter Plantec

        Okay…thanks for clarifying. That makes sense then.

      • Pete Miller

        Not in supporting your accusation of bias.

      • Peter Plantec

        The appearence of bias in terms of her clear preference and unobjective comments really makes her “analysis” useless to me. I have the Intuos 4 and i will be getting Apple iPad Pro with stylus. But i still have no idea how accurate the Pro will be because this is all anecdotal. Jus’say’n…she’s a pro, she should write like one so I can take her seriously…which I would like to do.

    • Linda Dong

      Thank god I’m not a journalist then! I wrote this on my personal blog, it’s meant to be charged.

    • Pete Miller

      Emotionally charged expressions can logically cause one to *suspect* bias, but their existence doesn’t prove bias. There has been no evidence to logically conclude and prove that her comments are biased.

  • Moeskido

    I can corroborate the latency issues with Cintiqs. Glad I never bought one.

  • ErickMaynard

    Woah woah woah… Unless she has access to some sort of privied info, as far as I know, no one knows the true latency on the iPad Pro. The iPad Pro will not have a special digitizer dedicated to the pen, meaning the pen will have to be active. Traditionally this has meant more latency, every time.

    Also, the Apple Pencil is plastic, so that argument about Wacom pens feeling plasticy, well, so will the Apple Pencil.

    Also, the apps that are currently available on the iPad are not suited for professional use. They are for prosumers at best…

    The Cintiq isn’t the best, but I seriously doubt the Apple Pencil will be any better, and so does the rest of the creative community, and for good reason.

    • Pete Miller

      The expression of feeling plasticy doesn’t mean there should be no plastic. It means that it feels, looks, or even sounds (flexing)cheap.

      If a person can use *any tool* in a professional setting or workflow, *in any way*, then it is a professional tool by definition.

    • PMB01

      She worked on the Pencil, so I’m pretty sure she knows a thing or two about the latency.

  • uliwitness

    I was a bit surprised you don’t mention the Cintiq Companion at all? Wouldn’t that be the most obvious comparison as it actually contains a computer?

  • aitwith

    However much did Apple pay you, miss Dong? Nothing you’ve said about a Cintiq is true whatsoever. Lag? Get a better computer.

  • Mr. Cannon

    This is a joke, right? I’m used to having several terrabytes handy at all times. I also work on art with many layers — files that can be several hundred MB. Dozens, hundreds of such files.

    I stopped using my old iPad years ago because it’s pretty useless, even as an on-the-go book reader. The problem is getting books ON to the machine. Too much of a hassle. Has that been fixed? I’m not sure, having left the iWorld ages ago.

    If I am doing art on an iPad Anything, how easy will it be to move a 500MB file onto a real computer? What I need is a normal USB port and the ability DRAG AND DROP between windows, just as one can do with a PC. Anything other than that is pointless.

    Only a desktop computer is a real computer: Lots of drives, lots of RAM, lots of cores, two or three massive screens. I need to be able to work on a massive Photoshop file (moving it back and forth between Photoshop and Manga Studio and Corel Painter without closing down any of those apps), while simultaneously watching a movie on one monitor and hopping onto the internet whenever need or whim dictates. Wacom products rule the day because you can simply plug them into a REAL computer.

    • Pete Miller

      No, a desktop computer is simply a more capable computer for certain things. An iPad is obviously a computer. It can do things that a desktop computer obviously can not. Every type of computer has advantages and disadvantages.

  • Orb

    this is lacking a lot of information though, what about palm rejection, we never see the palm touching the screen on the IpadPro, also 2048 level of pressure is ideal for drawing, how many on the IpadPro. About latency, I don’t agree cintiq has no latency (at least the one I have, if my file isn’t huge), on the Ipad video it HAS A CLEAR half second latency. Watch it again you’ll see. Anyway I agree about UI, user friendly-ness etc, but this is more your personal taste than actual facts, something strong enough to say it will blow cintiq, we simply can’t make that statement before we can try it.

    • Orb

      Also this article is biased by the author itself, who worked for apple for years, just saying. No body talks about incompatible softwares, like the sculpting program Zbrush who won’t work on apple devices etc. :S

      • Pete Miller

        No bias has been shown in her comments. Learn how to critically read and think.

  • adri

    “your fingers randomly collide into the side buttons”
    That can only be said by someone that has used a cintiq for about 5 minutes

  • chapuys

    Three problems here.
    1) Linda, you are an ex Apple employee on the Cult of Mac website saying how great the Apple Pencil and Apple iPad Pro is. You don’t point out positives of the Cintiq. Hardly an objective article as point 2 should have been included in your analysis.
    2) You forgot to mention that a Cintiq can use a full blown version of Photoshop and Illustrator, whilst an iPad Pro can’t. Yes Adobe has some fancy software to work on the iPad Pro, but it couldn’t compete with a full version of Photoshop and Illustrator on a PC.
    3) My Cintiq doesn’t have any latency issues.

    • Pete Miller

      She didn’t have to point out positives of the Wacom for her comments to be true.

  • keith williams

    forget the apple pencil, i want the apple ruler that was in the intro video

  • Dominik L.

    Well you have all the programms that will run with your cintiq and you have none of them on the ipad.. yet.. technology wise yes the i pad pen is better and i would love to see them make a version for us to use with mac os or other operating systems so we can run all the proffessional tools we´d like to.. On day one the first i pad came out i thought this with mac os would change everything.. they sticked to ios so things went slow. i believe microsoft is smarter by merging these two worlds.. apple is great in technology inovation making things work the way we expect them to be.. they dont compromise quality, when you buy an apple product for a specific field, you know its gonna do that job.. thats their usp. The quality standards are just where buyers expect them to be.. Apple wouldn´t have released this product if they knew the wacom product is as good. They enter a new market that demands this ability for a while now.. actually I am suprised that they release a pen for the ipad this late.. i guess the technology was not good enough before

  • wowsers

    I have to say (as a 100% pc user) I can see how the apple pro is better for simulating paper (except for ctrl-z), and I can see a wifi streaming app desktop share to pc would work. As long as someone can push out a really solid pc sharing app (mind lag still has to be reasonable enough) ipad pro will be set.

    However I have to question the author of this for saying we will just have to “hope” for serious work-station made programs to be ported to ios. No, just no. There is no way professional grade programs of that calibre will land on such weak platforms. If the ipad pro would use a customized desktop os since apple boasted about the a9x being stronger than “80% of desktop cpu’s that has been shipped in 6 months”, it would only make sense to then take advantage of the processing power. And cad work doesn’t usually require perfect colour representation, and the virtual resolution of the draw pad is much more important than the viewing resolution as measurements are usually represented as text. The need for upgrading is just not there for most because they are happy with what they have too, I just use my own screen for drawing (having a normal wacom intuos to draw with). This is what most people (I know at least) has/can afford without sacrificing performance. As for normal drawing though I can see the benefits in having a low delay retina display.

    Also did I mention $100 is an outrageous price for a drawing pen.

  • Insane014

    And what happens when you tilt Apple pencil to the side and draw the line? Ahem! Right!

    • Linda Dong

      What happens: the stroke changes depending on brush style because the Pencil has a tilt sensor.

      • wowsers

        the cintiq has tilt sensitivity too, +-60 degrees of it

  • rvignone

    The last time I felt there was latency on a Cintiq was nearly 10 years ago. Might be time to upgrade that computer of yours.

    • Pete Miller

      Perhaps the latency was noticed after she used the Apple Pencil? It’s amazing what people can get used to, to the extent that they end up thinking nothing could better it.

  • Freshly Peeled

    Latency on pen strokes? I use cintiqs daily and have been in my pro jobs for years – and wacoms since at least 2004. I can’t remember ever having latency issues except the rare time my computer was acting up. Biased and terribly written article it seems. Shame as I was wondering what an actual comparison was.

  • Moeskido

    Interesting to see all the angry defense of Wacom here. No, the iPad Pro/Apple Pencil isn’t a full replacement for all the pro app work that some of us are doing with Wacom tablets, requiring support for native file formats. Not yet, anyway.

    But this new offering appears to be a highly functional alternative that Adobe is already serving with a custom app. It stands to reason that more apps will follow. And I see no reason to doubt that makers of CAD apps will want to consider working with this device, too.

    In the meantime, considering how many entry-level customers its about to lose, Wacom will have to try to step up its game a bit. Which is only fair, considering what Wacom did to other tablet makers in previous decades.

    • wowsers

      I’m pretty sure CAD makers cringe to port an entire suite to IOS, it would make more sense if the ipad pro used a desktop os instead while they were boasting about pc performance (not really a valid argument reading up on it though). I see where the need for a retina display replacing essentially paper is a great market opportunity, I still don’t see how everyone and their dog go out of their way to buy something so expensive when they already own a working product. Also I would have liked for the pencil thing to either be cheaper or included in the purchase since it will need to be replaced when the battery dies, wacom’s pens aren’t exactly free either, but they don’t need (as far as all of them I know) batteries to operate and as such are mostly just in need of tip changes. wacom still has a magnitude of entry level non screen tablets, which is a huge bulk of their income probably, not everyone are in need of a screen just to draw something.

  • валера

    >All these things are a non-issue with the iPad Pro. Also, it runs its own OS and has Multi-Touch built in;’ you’ll be paying $2,000-plus for multi-touch features on a Cintiq

    No, I payed 999$ for 13″ Cintiq Touch

    • Linda Dong

      Read: Multi-touch

  • Kajisan

    Got myself an Wacom Intuos Pro, ~$300. Quite happy with it. Yes i heard some direct2screen is better. But i learned to use the regular way and it works for me on a quite professional level. Damn, i’m not a Pro anymore if i don’t use the new Apple Pen (TM)? My graphics will look like skit without, i’m afraid..

  • Darth Sidious

    The bias is STRoooONNG with this one! WACOM is the ultimate power! It is not to be fooled with by some feeble… wanabee toy!

  • Bob Thompson

    Anyone know what drawing/painting/etc. apps will work with the iPad Pro and Pencil?

  • Shogmaster

    I had some more Apple Pencil thoughts after I made the initial posts few days ago (whe I didn’t know some of the details of the Apple Pencil).

    I do have to give it to Apple that they over do things when it comes to things like digitizers. Their iPad pro cap touch layer polls at 120Hz while others are happy with 60~70Hz. Apple Pencil is polling data at ridiculous 240Hz, which out does even Wacom’s pro digitizers (200Hz) and goes way beyond other consumer level pens (Wacom @ 133Hz, N-Trig @ 120Hz).

    Now we can argue whether that is even worth the trouble since even 133Hz for consumer grade Wacom gives you over twice the data rate of what the most mobile LCD refreshes at. Why bother polling at that speed? I’ve never personally noticed any lag difference between my Wacom Penabled Tablet PC pen and the Cintiq pen (33% faster polling). So IMO, the 240Hz is way past the point of diminishing returns.

    I think this approach might be taken by Apple because most iOS ink software does not dynamically interpolate between data points (Procreate being a significant exception). They more or less just “connect the dots” between the point, in which a higher polling rate would help out tremendously. But many Windows and OSX art apps does aggressive interpolation that applies splines to the data to make smoother curves for your pen input. Compare say Photoshop CS1 pen performance with CC or even CS4. Or simply click off “smoothing” checkbox for your brush setting in Photoshop. It’s a huge difference. To me, having the software and hardware muscle to do that negates the need for such high polling rate. Obviously Apple engineers disagree.

    But it’s an interesting point of difference of how Apple vs others approach hardware design. Even if the higher specs does not make practical difference for end user, Apple likes to do it, put a bullet point on it, and then charge for it.

  • Shogmaster

    BTW, I want point out that 240Hz polling rate of the Apple Pencil does NOT do much for the “Latency” of what you draw shows up on screen. It only effects how many data points the Pencil feeds to the iPad per second.
    Latency of seeing what you draw vs what is displayed on screen has more to do with power of the CPU, complexity and size of the brush being used, size of the canvas, and the efficiency of the graphics sub system in displaying the data being drawn.

    They are two very different things and IIRC, Apple seems to insinuate in the promo videos that 240Hz polling reduces latency, which is misleading at best.

  • Curtis Horsburgh

    the iPad doesn’t run any industry caliber software, until it does this is all completely invalid, good effort apple spokesperson Linda Dong, talk to me in 2 or 3 years.

  • art hackett

    Or Astropad.

  • Michael Gebhard

    I find the anti-Wacom bias a bit distasteful. Let me clearly say that I’m an Apple fan through and through. I have a Wacom Cintiq and haven’t found another product that comes close in comparison for digital artwork. I tried like crAzy in the past to get a stylus/iPad combination to work for sketching and was always let down due to the palm recognition/rejection issues. So, now I’m just supposed to jump up and down with joy that Apple has finally decided to join the stylus bandwagon and drop all other allegiances? Psshhh… Okay, sure! Prove yourself first and convince me instead of just bashing the industry leader. What are the actual specs? What is the status of palm rejection/recognition when using the stylus? I’m crossing my fingers that the iPad Pro is all I hope it will be, but to bash another company like Wacom, who has been the industry leader for years is just simply in poor taste. Especially when I know the track record of both and have used both product lines. Perhaps the author’s hardware (ie-MacBook) wasn’t powerful enough to run a software program in conjunction with the Cintiq she’s used? Can’t think of any other viable reason for the horrible experience she seems to have endured using a Cintiq? I would just like to see the iPad Pro stand on it’s own merit.

  • PMB01

    So you decided to double down on the idiocy. At least you’re good at something.

  • TheTechCurmudgeon

    The biggest issue, not mentioned in this review, is that the iPad Pro only runs IOS software. I haven’t seen anything yet which is adequate for professional grade graphics. The Cintiq Companion 2 can run Creative Suite, Painter, Manga Studio and any other “real” software.
    Beyond that, her complaints about the Wacom are either false or grossly exaggerated here. I’ve never experienced any of the latency or stylus shape issues she reports.

  • Don’t ignore the HUGE caveat buried at the bottom: “I guess cross your fingers that they make iPad apps.”

    Most professionals will still have to finish their work on a desktop as iPad apps are still crippled versions of desktop products.

    • Agreed. But check out Astropad. (They should have really demoed with that!) It gives hope to turn the iPad Pro in a real graphic tablet.

      • Using an app to draw on a program on a different computer makes the iPad a workaround and not a solution. Just get something where you can draw on the screen running the app you want to use.

  • I wonder how well the Apple iPad Pro with Pencil works with Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop; the two apps that a large portion of the Cintiq user base uses the device for. How about CAD apps?

    Oh, wait…

    I love Apple. And I think the iPad Pro and Pencil are cool devices. But I fail to see how they’re even remotely useful for high-end creative work. At least, right now. What am I missing here?

  • Dayne Sislen

    I have a big question as a professional illustrator using a 22″ Cintiq everyday all day. What software does iPad Pro use? Can I prepare 11 x 17″ 300 dpi multi-layer illustrations in Photoshop, Corel Painter or Manga5? If it can’t do that, there is no comparison at all.

  • Jason A. Quest

    The fact that you don’t even acknowledge that the absence of buttons on the Apple Pencil might be a drawback indicates a rather obvious dishonest bias in this “comparison”.

  • Olexiy Perekatov

    Since you can’t really use iPad pro as you would usually use Cintiq i don’t even feel like it’s worth comparing. I like pencil and paper even more, should we compare that with iPad pro? I mean, neither really work with your apps on a desktop, right?

    I can already imagine people buying iPad pro imagining how amazing it is to draw just like they seen in the AD. But then they will realise that iPad doesn’t magically enhance non-existant drawing skills :(

  • E. A. Adam

    I submitted two comments this morning, critical of the advertising masquerading as a review, and praising Cintiq. Where have they gone? Should I resend? Why can’t I DISLIKE the review?

  • Killian Rosta

    the fact that it doesn’t run the full photoshop suite is a let down. also this reviewer is very bias and not very mature with her comparison. i also don’t see how she says that cintiq have a reflective surface. they have matte surfaces. the iPad is the one with the gloss. sounds like someone was bribed

  • lucascott

    doesn’t a cintiq also require a computer. so shouldn’t that be in the price notes.

  • I have been using a Cintiq for little less than a year, and several intous tablets since 2006, and I love them; but I agree with everything Linda says. I think Apple invented a much better, and more responsive digital drawing solution. Hopefully with apps, cloud storage file management won’t be an issue.

    I would also like to add one more key point: The Tilt. The way you shade with an Apple Pencil, is how you shade with a REAL pencil, shading is done within the pencils own radius, instead of a digital circle on the OTHERSIDE of the pencil with software. That is s big difference.

    Personally, I used my Cintiq’s buttons like 4 times, I still prefer having a keyboard present for all photoshop shortcuts. The experience is clunky, need a desk. I am looking forward to making my comics with an iPad, wherever I am.

  • pixelkitty

    She didn’t touch on software at all? What is the point of cost savings on a tablet device if you cannot run full OS versions of professional illustration or design software?

  • Jesus’s Best Friend Floyd

    I don’t see Ipad Pro running full Photoshop or Manga Studio. And Cintiq is old tech. A real comparison would be Ipad Pro vs Surface Pro 3.

  • crateish

    Wacom is toast.

    • Darth Sidious

      Toast?! [Long, drawn out cackle] Surely you have no idea the power of Wacom. I foresee Yamada-san will cut down Cook with one, swift stroke….

  • Jetenginejesus

    The “all other Cintiq models” she uses as a comparison are 22″, 24″ and 27″. Of course they’re going to be more expensive.
    Biased much?

  • RancidRichard

    I feel like the reviewer is biased. Not only due to her past working with Apple, but also by putting forth a very limited comparison of the features. Where is the discussion on pressure sensitivity levels, the fact that you have to charge the Apple pencil where as you never have to on the Wacom, and the fact that the Wacom does have useful buttons on the side and an erasure on the end where the Apple pencil does not? There was also no real analysis of how the iPad Pro handles palm rejection, perhaps due to the fact that this product isn’t even available yet so this entire article is simply an opinion piece. If you watch the keynote carefully, they draw very slowly and and keep their entire palm off the iPad. So who really knows how it will handle latency or palm rejection as it certainly wasn’t shown. My Cintiq 13 hooked up to my laptop has ZERO latency. So I don’t know what machine(s) the author was using to encounter that, but I feel like it’s not the norm since artists all over the world use Wacom products.

    • Darth Sidious

      She IS baised as she had a hand in the Pencil’s development. This article has no credibitly and reads as typical fanboy drivel. Our shop have 30 Cintiqs of various models. Do you think this feeble toy on a toy OS something we pros been asking for?

      Apple has been moving away from the pros for years…95% of their profits now come from iOS. Do you think we will trust you ever again?

  • BugByte

    IMHO, the biggest mistake with the iPad Pro is that it does not run OSX. It’s a great device limited by iOS. You simple can’t run full versions of Photoshop, Illustrator, Sketchbook, Zbrush, Mudbox, etc, etc,…

    • Moeskido

      Congratulations. Yours is the straw that convinced me this comment group is a waste of my time. Remarkable.

    • Brrr

      This really is the biggest problem with the iPad Pro. Apple probably will sell a lot of them, but the people who look at devices like the Surface Pro or the Cintiq Companion are not going to have much use for an iPad Pro — it’s just too limited. Professional artists need to use exactly the same software on their portables that they use on their desktop, and they need access to the full file system.

      Hopefully down the road, A new model of Macbook with come out that works with Pencil. Then it will actually be something that competes with the devices that professional artists want.

  • Klaus88

    – pressure sensitiveness beyond 256 points is hardly noticeable to the majority of customers and Wacom already reaches 2048 levels

    – iPad Pro doesn’t run desktop apps, there is no companion app for desktop so it cannot be used to substitute a Cintiq like pad and if it will be released it will be only for Macs, in addition new “pro” mobile apps are constrained in comparison to desktop counterparts and the iPad Pro computational power cannot perform filters and such in a speedy way like desktops, not talking about 3D graphic where there is the need of very powerful GPU and GDDR

    – latency latency latency.. first hands-on at 60 fps didn’t show any relevant improvement in comparison to competitors even if for this matter is better to wait first objective review with high fps cameras for latency and jitters

    – the real remarkable feature is the angle mark at the moment.

  • Chris Walker

    Kool-Aid anyone?

  • Linda – what are some examples of work that you can complete from beginning to end on an iPad Pro? Feature-wise the Ps & Ai iOS apps are a far cry from their desktop brethren; I’m not seeing how the iPad Pro is going to replace Cintiqs for many creatives.

  • Invertex

    Sure, there’s some parallax with Cintiq’s, but what about Intuos/Bamboo? In that situation, you look at the screen completely unobstructed, no hand or pen in your field of vision. Your precision is perfect as you see exactly where the cursor is as you move your hand. This is why I’ll always prefer dedicated drawing tablets instead of screen based ones like this.

    On the subject of this pen though, you gladly ignore the Samsung S-Pen, which features better specs than this pencil, it’s also just as thin if not thinner.. 2048 levels, tilt & rotation, no charging… Apple did nothing special here.

  • Tim Paul

    This person clearly has never used a Cintiq, or if they ever did, used on decades ago. There is no latency like she claims. And when there is, it’s because someone is using it in conjunction with a low end computer.

    or is she talking about the cintiq companion? Because yes, with the lower end models, you can get that on larger images, or if you happen to have multiple programs open, which people tend to do. They Hybrid is not worth anything.

    If you were to take out comparing it to the Apple Pen, it would read as a terrible review of cintiq. And if all that were true, Cintiqs would have died out long time ago, and Wacom would have went under.

    So why would so many designers and artists still use them? I have absolutely none of the issues she claims she has. I have the 22 Cintiq HD touch, and the Companion. I used to have an old 12UX. Sorry, no problems at all like she claims. And my work is tight, so precision is something I want.

    And I’ve tried a lot of other options to get a workable digital drawing tablet that was portable. They all failed compared to the Cintiq Companion.

    This review is clearly biased for whatever reason. She’s lying.

  • Lucky De

    I feel this is really biased with you having previously worked in apple. Can you discuss the actual sensitivity levels and the amount of pressure you need to push to achieve ink/line thickness vs the cintiq. I have a smaller ipad and a pen by apple. one by wacom and one by 52. None of them compare, it’s like tapping on an iphone with slightly more pressure. It’s still limited,
    it’s still got no sensitivity compared to a wacom product, photoshop doesnt exist for it like it does on desktop(it does but not with the advanced brush tools) so the brushes arent as detailed. I really need a proper breakdown of sensitivity specs before i ever consider getting something this pricy vs idk an actual computer and not an giant monitor with limited iphone functionality.

  • Nik Love-Gittins

    What rubbish. The iPad will never be a ‘pro’ tool. And you can’t compare desk-bound Cintiqs with the ipad. Why not compare it with the Cintiq Companion ? Which runs a fully fledged OS so that one can use things such as Photoshop on it…I use a Cintiq for work and I have never noticed any lag to the degree where you have to watch it catch up unless I am rendering at the same time or something equal as processor heavy ( and don’t use that as a defence of the iPad, because you never likely to be doing anything like that on it are you ? ).
    The article just reads like as if it’s written by someone with an agenda….