PROBLEM - Apple's employees DO NOT want to come back

So we do the Apple work from home story

I do think this is an interesting work from home story or a developing story, I should say

And this is affecting companies worldwide, especially, I know we have a lot of tech people that are here watching this

And this is an interesting story. If you work in tech, if you work anywhere, but especially if you work in tech because people are not enthusiastic about going back to the office

And Apple's got like a mutiny on their hands. I don't know if anyone's following this story. but they are trying to get people to come back to the office

Well, first they said two days a week, and now they are going up to three days a week. And there was a story, was it yesterday

that they're actually delaying that, right, Lewis? Well, what they're doing is slowing the pace

I mean, they were supposed to be back at their desk three days a week later this month

But, you know, here in the Bay Area, COVID cases are rising again

You know, everybody's getting a little alerts on their watches. in their phones like

oh, you've been exposed to somebody who has COVID. So now they're going to

require them to be in the offices two days a week, is their plan. Two days

You know, yeah, it's kind of wild. You know, people are adamant about not going back

People are threatening to resign. I, you know, I don't know what to think about it

I mean, I understand why Apple wants people back. I mean, I think it's

I think we're two, and a half years into a completely unnatural situation. And I mean, I can't imagine running a company

that big remotely. But at the same time, you know, like if you, I mean, there are a lot of

people in San Francisco that worked on there. I mean, I had a friend who worked there. And he

you know, two days or two hours a day on a bus, right? I mean, at least he didn't have to drive

himself. At least he was able to hop on the bus and go down. And he could even, after a certain

period of time, they were even allowed to count that as time on the job, you know, because they

have a laptop and they're working on their way down there, right? Which, by the way

speaking of things that will make you vomit, I would do that immediately if I had to type and read on

Oh, yeah, I would get so cars. Let me ask the chat this while we're talking here. I got a question for you guys

Someone asked me this, and I thought it was a really interesting question. Let's say that

well, if you work from home, okay, or you work from home part time, how much extra money

would your company have to give you to come back full time? What is that number to you

Is it 20,000? Is it 100,000? I think everyone's got a number

I think I have mine. And I have been working from home for probably seven years now, maybe longer

It was kind of like hybrid for a while, but I decided pretty early when I had kids that I wasn't going to take a job where I had to go in full time

because I actually love my kids. I want to see my kids as much as possible

especially why they're young. And for those of you that don't know, I got four young kids They all look just like me Beautiful Super intelligent long luscious curly hair And you know Soft spoken

Yeah, soft spoken. Unopinionated. You know, they're more opinionated than I would sometimes prefer to be honest with you

especially about dinner, if I'm being honest. A lot of complaining about dinner that happens

Just think when you get these, you put the goggles on all of them and they'll just be like, oh, yeah, these are delicious corn dogs

That would only cost me... Oh, corn dogs isn't a problem, Louis. It's when you get anything green on the plate

It only cost me, what, 12 grand to outfit my four kids with Apple mixed reality headsets

That actually might be worth it for the complaining. But once you get used to working from home

you don't have to shower to go in. You don't have to get ready

You don't have to prepare your lunch. There's no commuting. I mean, in the Seattle area

it's easy for you to waste two hours a day just commuting. and then there's the whole getting ready

and then you don't get to see your kids and now I'm broadcasting from Colt Command

this is where I work. I built this in my yard so that I could work from home

and be away from my family but I get to go in, see my kids once they get too rowdy

I'm like, all right, I'm out of here. But I can eat dinner with them. It's like I get to see them all throughout today

and those interactions are priceless to me. I would not trade those

If you wanted me to come in full time, it would probably cost you an extra

I'm going to say probably 60 grand. You'd have to pay me an extra 60 grand

Now, look, I realize that's a privileged position to be in. Like, there's a lot of people who wouldn't be able to make a demand like that

And most people probably wouldn't even give you an extra 60 grand if you wanted it. But that's how much it's worth to me

So, like, I would rather take a job that paid 60 grand less to work remotely

because I just think it's that much better. Just from a life and stress perspective, it's just, it's so much better working from home, I think

Well, yeah, I see people that do the commutes. I mean, you know, I just can't imagine burning that much of your life driving, especially in the Bay Area when it's like, I mean, other parts of the country, I think it's a little bit more predictable

But here, sometimes it could be 20 minutes or it could be an hour and a half and never knowing exactly how much time difference is going to be

Oh, my God. and then, and then, that the price of gasoline these days

Oh, dude, yeah, you factor that in, right. Yeah. And for me

like, we, when I was younger, there's this bridge that crosses the, um

uh, from Seattle to the other side of the water is like Bellevue

and like the other side of, um, kind of like the tech hub in this area

It's like Seattle and Bellevue. And there's a bridge and it was free. You could just cross it

And now they have tools on that bridge. And it's like, dude, you could pay, you could pay eight bucks nine bucks just across the bridge one way you know what I mean

and so now you gonna add that into your costs all right here we go in the chat we got we got Sparkle boom saying double they have to pay him double which means I going to guess you know going from 200 to 400 because he a high quality individual

We got Jeff Druin saying no amount. I'm about to buy a camper and work on the road

Nice. Your developer, that's pretty appealing. Let's see here. Streamline is saying, been working at home since 2020, maybe 30K to get me to go back in

Level remix is saying 40% raise. I thought he said 40K, 40% raise

Ryan Stryker They would have to pay for my gas That's it

Ryan Stryker is pretty easy going But he's got a great job

He's like on that elite military force Where they kick your door

And they're like Here come Stryker And he kicks his foot through your door And he blows you away

With his 12 gauge So that'd be pretty cool Let's see here

I've been told my laundry during meetings Oh I fooled my laundry during meetings

I have told my laundry during meetings I have I have literally done, not recently, but I have literally done meetings from bed

Like, I'm just like, if it's a meeting that I don't have to say anything in and the camera

doesn't have to be on, I'm like, I'll just be in bed. You know, it's just like a listening meeting. It's like, I'm just here to listen

You don't need me to talk. I'll be in bed for that. I don't know, man

So Apple has this major problem, right? There's a lot of people inside Apple who are really upset that they have to go back to work

And Apple is having a retention problem just like other 10 companies. In fact, there was a story that I think was out a couple weeks ago that you guys may have seen

Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

Apple's director of machine learning, Ian Goodfellow, Ian Goodfellow, has resigned from his role a little more, a little over four years after he joined the company after previously being one of Google's top AI employees, according to The Verge

So they lost this guy because he didn't want to come back to the office full time

let's see here. The story goes on. A Goodfellow reportedly broke the news to staff in an email

saying his resignation as part. It is in part due to Apple's plan to return to in-person work

which require employees to work at the office at least one day per week by April 11th

two days per week by April or May 2nd and at least three days per week by May 23rd. So the May

23rd day is the one they just postponed. He goes on to say, I strongly believe that more work

flexibility would have been the best policy for my team. And there are just countless people that I know

that have kids, especially, that are developers that want to go on the road in their camper

And they're like, I don't want to go into the office anymore. And if there's one good thing that

came out of COVID, it's the fact that it kind of changed work culture, I think, is that companies

realized we could have people just work from home. We'll make our tools better so they can collaborate

better. And they change their policies permanently. Like Facebook is one of them. I think

they said they're going to have half their workforce off-site by some date in the future

That crazy But the other thing sorry I rambling but I been giving this a lot of thought The other strange situation that has been created by this whole work from home culture especially amongst tech workers is it has allowed people for the first time

and I think in the history of the world, it has allowed people with

it has disconnected people and their earning potential from the places that they live, right

If you lived in the city, you would make way more money than someone who is in a more rural area

And now, that's just not true. You can take your high paid tech job

with you wherever you go and move somewhere that's a lot cheaper to live

and what is happening is it's driving up the property prices in all

these places that surround you know tech areas or even don't surround tech areas

like the whole state of Washington has been lit up with super high property prices

which I think there's more reasons than just the tech workers moving all over the place

but it allows tech workers to take their salaries and just go wherever they want and pay as much as they need to

to get a house. And it's like just making the price of housing go up everywhere. So it's a really

interesting time because if you can make 200 grand with your salary in RSUs and go to, you know

Bellingham, Washington and make that same money, it's like now of a sudden you're living like a

sultan. You're living like El Caney. Yeah. It's crazy. And the whole thing of like

Have you seen some of the rigs people have? You know, the digital nomads

Like this guy in the chat was talking about getting a van, right

I mean, I had a friend who did that. He went on, just basically said, oh, well, I think I'll live here for a while

I think I'll live there for a while. It's very appealing. I mean, if you are footloose and fancy free

If there's one thing you guys need to know about me, I'm footloose. I never miss a chance to come

sliding into the living room in my socks and my uh and my white briefs and your loose feet

and my feet just get loose you know what I'm seeing they're all over the place it's like uh

James Brown action oh nice bust out one of those Michael Jackson kicks you know Lewis

yeah you have to show us that I'd let to see you do some fancy right now so some fancy

foot action what do you think Lewis I don't think so you got any fancy foot action you can

show us before we wrap up here I've got kicked someone in the you know

once in twice but that's about it okay I just figured since you're in a band like you probably

get into it doing some fancy fashion I'm not a dancer unfortunately

I think everyone's a dancer deep down there are just those that are willing to show it

and those like to do it in private you know I'm saying it's your VR headset on

all right I think that's all we got Lewis