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Coming up, Apple's not done yet. John
0:02
Turnis may showcase more new products
0:04
next month, but the wait is over. OS 27
0:06
updates arrive on all Apple platforms,
0:08
and we ask, should you skip your iPhone
0:10
upgrade this year? Plus, will the iPhone
0:13
do have a crunchy dust problem like
0:14
other foldables? Welcome to the Cult of
0:16
Mac podcast. I'm your host, Louis
0:18
Wallace. Joining me today are Graham
0:20
Bower and Charlie Serell. Hello, guys.
0:22
How's it going?
0:23
>> Hey.
0:24
>> Yeah, good. No, Leander.
0:27
>> Yeah, he said he had to go deal with a
0:30
family issue had to do with tenants, I
0:31
believe. And uh he didn't ask to borrow
0:33
a baseball bat, but uh
0:35
>> it wasn't something we said last week.
0:38
>> It was the calling from last week
0:39
listened listened to the show and came
0:41
back together. You know, he sees maybe
0:43
he's taking a sobatical because we got
0:45
too political or something. I saw
0:47
somebody on the comment somewhere. I
0:49
can't even remember where it was post or
0:50
something we did saying that we were
0:52
political and I don't I mean I think we
0:54
pretty much stay clear of politics. I
0:56
don't really remember discussing
0:57
anything political, but uh
0:58
>> everything's political. Everything
1:01
>> theory was maybe it was
1:02
>> tech
1:04
lake America or something that was the
1:06
problem. I don't know. Anyway, uh
1:08
everybody get all their updates in all
1:09
excited.
1:10
>> I'm I'm updated.
1:12
>> I still haven't updated my Mac. I maybe
1:14
I should do that after the show. Uh
1:17
let's see. So, if you thought that the
1:21
iPhones, the Apple watches, and the
1:23
HomePod, and the AirPod, if you thought
1:25
that was all Apple had in its, you know,
1:28
magic pipeline, you're wrong. You won't
1:30
believe it. They've got more products
1:31
coming. Tell us what's coming, Graham.
1:32
Tell us what's coming and when.
1:34
>> Okay, so yeah, Apple's surprise and
1:36
shine product launch event is now in the
1:38
rear view mirror, but that doesn't mean
1:40
the company has finished unveiling new
1:42
products. Cutino has plenty of hardware
1:44
in the pipeline. But the big question is
1:46
whether Apple's rumored touchscreen
1:48
MacBook Ultra will be ready to ship this
1:50
year. If it is, Apple is likely to have
1:53
a full special event. But if not, we
1:55
might have to settle for another week of
1:58
press releases. So, what we've got in
2:01
the frame for this year, according to
2:02
the rumor mill, we've got like the the
2:05
MacBook Ultra touchscreen, M6 iMac, M6
2:08
MacBook Pro, OLED iPad Mini, HomePod
2:11
Mini 2, Apple TV 4K, and the the rumored
2:15
Apple Smart Home Hub. Any of those
2:18
products you guys excited about, likely
2:21
to buy? Maybe. I I like the look of the
2:24
of a touch touch screen MacBook. Uh, I'm
2:27
not going to buy one, but I if it had
2:29
come out some years ago when I, you
2:31
know, when I was going to buy a Mac, I
2:32
would have got that for sure. I I really
2:35
think touchscreen MacBook apart from,
2:37
you know, just being able to reach up
2:39
and touch stuff, but like if if because
2:41
you can run um iPad and iPhone apps on
2:45
the Mac already, but they're terri Well,
2:47
it depends. But in general, they're
2:48
terrible if if you really need to touch
2:50
one to use it rather than, you know, uh,
2:52
so like a a podcast app is not bad cuz
2:54
you would just need to, you know, tap it
2:55
to to play or something. But ones with
2:57
which are more interactive, like a music
2:59
app where you might be playing, you
3:00
know, something on a keyboard. You can't
3:02
really or anything that's multi-touch.
3:03
You can't do that with a mouse. Um, it
3:06
would be neat to be able to do a full
3:07
screen uh, you know, my
3:11
I don't know, my new well, I'm trying to
3:12
think of something now that runs on
3:14
there. But yeah, I like that. I I think
3:16
a touchscreen MacBook uh is overdue as
3:19
well. I mean, it's not it's not exactly
3:20
new.
3:22
>> Do you think so? I mean, cuz I'm before
3:25
I had a Mac silicon Mac, I thought it
3:28
would be really cool to be able to run
3:29
iPad apps on my Mac. I thought, oh, I'll
3:32
use that all the time. And now I've been
3:33
on Apple Silicon for years. And I don't
3:35
think I've ever used an iPad app on my
3:37
Mac. I mean, I know it's theoretically
3:39
possible, but I just never do. I I don't
3:42
even really use a simulator when I'm
3:44
working in Xcode. tend to compile it
3:46
onto a real iPad because testing on the
3:49
real hardware is better. What about you,
3:50
Louis? Have you ever do you use iPad
3:52
apps or iPhone apps on your MacBook?
3:55
>> No. No. In fact, uh yeah, any of that
3:58
interaction stuff like that iPhone
4:00
mirroring stuff? I drives me crazy. I
4:02
don't I don't use any other uh I just
4:04
use Mac apps. Uh
4:08
I Have you ever used a a touchscreen
4:10
laptop, though? I actually owned one for
4:12
a while back in the bad old days.
4:15
>> A Windows one, do you mean?
4:17
>> Yeah.
4:17
>> Yeah.
4:17
>> Yeah. They're not they're not good,
4:19
right?
4:20
>> I you know, it's it's odd. I mean, it
4:23
it's a nice option to be able to re
4:25
reach out and touch the screen if you
4:26
need to do something, you know, like
4:27
some sometimes there are times where
4:29
it's like, oh, that would be more
4:30
convenient because I just need to touch
4:31
this thing way over here. Especially
4:33
like, you know, it's I think it's more
4:36
if you have a large screen sometimes you
4:38
feel like, oh, it'd be way easier to
4:39
just reach out and touch that than to
4:41
drag my mouse 3 feet across the screen.
4:44
Um, but you know, it was fine. And there
4:47
were times where I thought, okay, that's
4:48
great, you know, and and but overall I
4:51
didn't use it all the time or anything.
4:52
And and I think in a in a way it's kind
4:54
of a drag that they're doing it because
4:55
I think that they're kind of messing up
4:58
Mac OS to to make it work with this
5:00
thing, you know, like all the bigger
5:02
buttons and things like that, you know,
5:03
it's kind of I don't know. It it's just
5:06
it's it feels like the same way that
5:08
they have messed it up or that they will
5:10
mess it up.
5:11
>> Well, like the changes they've made are
5:13
in preparation for it.
5:14
>> Yeah. So, I think it's the same as the
5:16
way that iOS was kind of moving to the
5:18
where it is now because of the folding
5:21
phone. I think the same thing is
5:22
happening with with uh with Mac OS and
5:24
then you know maybe because of the
5:25
vision pro too. I mean that that was
5:27
what I was thinking for the longest
5:29
time. But you know I mean I I guess they
5:32
want everything to be like that. They
5:34
want everything to be you can reach out
5:35
and touch it. So I don't know. I I don't
5:38
I can't imagine buying one because I'm
5:40
sure it's going to cost half a million
5:41
dollars.
5:41
>> Yeah.
5:42
>> Um
5:43
>> and with Remageddon right now
5:46
>> and I I think it's going to be the same
5:48
thing as with the the Touch Bar. It's
5:50
like the Touch Bar was cool technology.
5:51
I liked it. Once in a while I used it.
5:54
Uh but I'm not, you know, I I mostly
5:56
don't use my MacBook as a as a laptop. I
5:58
mostly use it as a thing to drive my
6:00
desktop setup. When I have to go out and
6:02
use the laptop, I I feel incredibly
6:05
constrained. Then I think having the
6:07
touchcreen might actually be nice cuz
6:08
there there situations where you say,
6:10
"Oh, it's just easier to touch that than
6:12
it is to." And I I remember when I got
6:14
off the touch screen, you know, like
6:17
touching the screen of my Mac and going,
6:18
"Oh, wait a minute. It doesn't work."
6:20
So, there's a few things which I would
6:22
find useful. One is like in Logic or
6:25
apps like that, you can uh where they
6:27
record loops, you can just reach up and
6:28
tap it to start instead of having to
6:30
which is especially good if you're
6:31
already if you're playing an instrument
6:33
that's plugged in, uh, you know, instead
6:35
of having to grab the mouse, move the
6:36
pointer. I mean, all of those things are
6:38
easy, but when you're playing music,
6:40
it's much easier to just reach up and
6:42
stab something you you're looking. Yeah.
6:44
And also, something I do very often is
6:48
marking up screenshots. And that's and
6:50
and what I do with that is I go and hunt
6:51
out hunt for my iPad if it's not nearby
6:53
and and mark up the screenshot uh on
6:56
with via the continuity thing. You know,
6:59
how you mark it up on the iPad and it
7:00
saves it back to the Mac. Uh, and I
7:03
wouldn't do that if I could just, you
7:04
know, very often it's just putting a red
7:07
line around something to highlight what
7:08
I'm talking about. And that would be a
7:10
lot handier. So, this stuff I think that
7:12
would be much harder to do on a laptop
7:14
screen. I mean, one of the, you know,
7:16
it's one of the things when they when
7:17
they smaller
7:19
>> an iPad, you you can hold it like this.
7:21
You can't detach a MacBook screen. I
7:24
mean, you can detach an ultra screen,
7:26
but you can't detach detach a MacBook
7:28
screen and hold it like a pad. Well,
7:30
we're not talking about doing fine work.
7:32
Just, you know, just a quick markup or
7:33
something like that. Just hand it, you
7:35
know, when you reach up,
7:36
>> if you reach your arm, if you like
7:38
extend your arm to a screen which is
7:39
sort of floating and you can't rest your
7:41
elbow or anything, it it's really hard
7:44
to actually move your hand in a in a
7:46
precise way to mark something up. It's
7:48
not the same experience as an iPad, even
7:50
if it has touch,
7:51
>> but you can just rest your I mean, it's
7:53
supported by having your finger on the
7:54
screen. I mean, I see what you mean, but
7:57
you know, we're not painting, you know,
7:59
we're not we're not lying on our backs.
8:01
Maybe we should do that. You should have
8:02
a cysteine chapel setup. Lie on your
8:03
back with the screen over the over the
8:05
top of you horizontal.
8:07
>> I think it I mean, I believe what one of
8:09
the things they said when they
8:10
introduced a touch bar was they said, I
8:13
think maybe Johnny IV was around at that
8:15
time, one of his one of his videos, um,
8:18
they said that it wasn't a good
8:20
experience touching the screen because
8:22
you had
8:22
>> They always say that.
8:24
ergonomically bad. And I and I thought
8:27
that that's exactly right. And the other
8:29
thing is if if as brilliant as the the
8:32
MacBook screen is and the way the hinge
8:34
works, it's just it's it's excellent the
8:35
way you can just lift the screen up and
8:37
just hold put it into position. But if
8:39
you actually touch the screen, it
8:41
wobbles. And you know, I think if you
8:43
were like tapping that and it doesn't
8:45
have any resistance, it just sort of
8:46
jiggles around. It's a very displeasing
8:50
experience. I I think if they are doing
8:52
a touchscreen MacBook Ultra, I think it
8:54
will have a different kind of hinge and
8:56
I think I
8:56
>> think it will have a kickstand.
8:57
>> It will it's going to have more
8:59
resistance, but I don't know. I think it
9:01
it risks being a bit of a Frankenstein's
9:03
monster type product. That's neither one
9:05
thing nor another. And the other thought
9:07
that struck me with the with the touch
9:10
bar, it didn't take off. Um I did
9:13
actually use it quite a bit in the end.
9:14
I used it in Photoshop for changing the
9:16
size of brushes. It was great for that.
9:18
You've just drag your finger along the
9:20
above the keyboard. That was a really
9:21
neat feature. And I used it for picking
9:23
emojis as well. There's nothing that's
9:25
as quick for picking emojis in Mac. Now,
9:28
like if I you even on the keyboard,
9:29
you've got like that emoji button in the
9:31
bottom leftand corner. But when I press
9:33
that, it takes a few seconds for the
9:34
emoji panel to appear. Whereas with the
9:37
the the touch bar, the emojis were just
9:40
there and it worked immediately. And so
9:42
I do I missed that. Um but overall, I
9:46
didn't use it a great deal. And the
9:47
thing that struck me about it was the
9:49
problem is they introduce these things
9:50
as premium features because they're new
9:52
and they're expensive. So they go into
9:54
the pro line, but they feel a bit more
9:56
to me like consumer features. And I feel
9:58
like this again like if if it wasn't a
10:01
price question to me, this touch thing,
10:04
it it it maybe it should start with the
10:06
Nano because it feels like a doesn't
10:08
feel like a pro feature. It feels like a
10:10
fun feature with kids with fingers
10:11
covered in jam, splurging them all over
10:14
uh you know the screen when they're
10:16
they're playing whatever the kids play
10:19
now. Ro robot Roblox is it or what is it
10:21
they play now?
10:22
>> There's going to be no children touching
10:24
my screen. Filthy hands.
10:26
>> I I think I think if they can make it
10:28
cheap and stick it into a budget laptop,
10:30
I think it would be a lot of fun. But I
10:32
I think for pros, I'm not sure it's so
10:34
useful. And like Louis said, actually
10:35
for years I used to use my MacBook by
10:37
itself. And just this year I finally set
10:40
up a home office and I got a studio
10:41
display and it has just changed my life.
10:44
I love it. And since I got my studio
10:46
display, I only ever use my MacBook as a
10:50
laptop when I'm traveling. Like Louis
10:52
said, apart from that, you know, so I'm
10:55
not sure I would get I wouldn't shell
10:57
out more money for an Ultra just to have
10:59
a touchcreen that I never actually get
11:01
to use in practice, you know. So unless
11:03
they added a touchcreen to a studio
11:05
display, it's fairly meaningless to me.
11:08
And um I So I I don't know. I think it's
11:11
one of those things that people think
11:12
that they want, but in practice they
11:14
wouldn't actually use as much as they
11:16
think. And I think that's, you know,
11:19
that that would be my bet. The one time
11:21
when I do find myself wanting to touch
11:22
the screen is if I when I'm developing
11:24
apps for iPad and so I have an iPad to
11:27
my left and I have the Mac screen to my
11:28
right and I'm switching between the two
11:30
and then when I'm in the touch mindset
11:32
and then I'll turn to my Mac and I'll
11:34
expect to be able to tap something and
11:35
it doesn't work and it's like oh yeah
11:38
and so there's just occasionally it
11:40
would be good if it did that. But I
11:41
think the trade-off of having like jammy
11:43
fingerprints all over your screen is
11:45
probably not worth it.
11:46
>> Yeah. My my wife has a a Windows laptop
11:50
but with a touchcreen and it's funny
11:52
when she you know again on vacation or
11:55
something I've got my MacBook with me
11:57
and uh if she gets near it she'll almost
11:59
always touch the screen. It always
12:00
cracks me up.
12:02
Doesn't work. Sorry.
12:06
>> And people get so precious about
12:08
fingerprints on their screen as well.
12:09
like uh more I think people are resigned
12:11
to it a bit more on their iPhone, but
12:13
you people are very precious about their
12:16
their MacBook screen. So, I'm curious to
12:17
see, you know, how that's that's going
12:20
to work. I mean, I I wouldn't even
12:23
believe that they were going to do this
12:24
if it wasn't for the fact that the rumor
12:26
mill has got so precise in the last few
12:28
years that I think this can't not happen
12:30
now. It is it's a matter of when. It's
12:32
not a matter of if. But knowing Apple,
12:35
they will have some
12:38
we did it differently. Like our
12:40
competition did this and they screwed it
12:41
up, but we've done it in this way that's
12:43
much better. And certainly like like
12:46
Lewis, you were saying with the iPhone
12:48
Duo when they announced it and you knew
12:50
exactly what it was going to be and you
12:51
weren't interested, but just in that
12:53
moment when they're presenting it,
12:54
you're like, "Maybe I do want this." And
12:57
they're very good at that. And it could
12:58
be exactly what they do with the touch
13:00
in in terms of touch on the Mac. It's
13:02
like you didn't think you wanted it, but
13:03
by the end of their half hour, they've,
13:05
you know, reality distortion fields you
13:07
into thinking maybe it is a good idea.
13:09
>> Yeah.
13:10
>> Where are their cleaning cloths as well?
13:13
>> They dropped the price on that, so that
13:14
was good. Uh maybe they'll change the
13:16
markup the screenshot markup app just
13:19
for the touchcreen. I I mean, I might
13:20
pay $1,000 to have a better markup app
13:23
cuz that thing is garbage. Use it every
13:26
day, hate it. I I can see why you would
13:28
switch to an iPad cuz it is a piece of
13:30
trash. And in fact, I mean, like, say it
13:32
out loud. I'm sure somebody out there
13:34
has made a screenshot app for the Mac
13:36
that is a million times better. It
13:37
probably costs $6. Yeah, please write in
13:40
with uh with any recommendations.
13:42
>> Yeah. And I should probably just go
13:44
download that
13:44
>> screenshot apps. Screenshot annotation.
13:48
>> Yeah. Uh, I'm I'm actually excited about
13:52
uh either the Apple TV 4K or the Apple
13:56
Smart Home Hub just because I've got a,
13:58
you know, an old Apple TV 4K, which is
14:02
fine. Uh, and a couple of HomePods, but
14:05
nothing really works. Nothing works with
14:07
Matter.
14:09
So, uh, I don't have I I need a a new
14:12
better home hub to to make things work
14:16
better in general. And um I I this
14:18
HomeHub I I at first I was like it's
14:20
just an iPad on a wall, but you know I I
14:23
keep I think I keep sort of underelling
14:25
Apple's ability to come up with
14:27
interesting things to do with a product,
14:29
you know. So I'm sure that it's not just
14:30
going to be as simple as an iPad on a
14:32
wall. It's going to be there's going to
14:34
be something about it. You're going to
14:35
go, "Hey, I really need that."
14:36
>> Maybe they'll put a touch bar on it.
14:38
>> A touch bar. Yeah. Right.
14:40
H God,
14:42
>> it's interesting you mentioned the new
14:43
Apple TV 4K because uh I've been
14:45
thinking about that as well. And one of
14:47
the things I've been thinking about is
14:49
this might finally be the time for Apple
14:53
to get into gaming. Um because that
14:56
there is a sort of an emerging gap in
14:58
the market, you know, where Sony and
15:01
Microsoft are both being kind of
15:02
ambivalent about hardware. And you know,
15:05
I I think that there right so there's
15:07
these rumors in the last couple of weeks
15:09
about this Apple Games controller and
15:11
then the latest rumors are like, oh
15:12
maybe it'll be a Beats game controller
15:14
rather than an Apple Games controller.
15:16
Um and I I think that the theory was
15:19
what something along the lines of Apple
15:21
didn't want to associate its brand with
15:23
like a garbage product or or something.
15:25
But the the things that to me that
15:26
doesn't track with that is I don't think
15:28
Apple would make a garbage product and I
15:30
don't think a games controller is an
15:32
obvious fit with the Beats brand either.
15:35
But I do think and there's no reason why
15:37
an Apple games controller couldn't be
15:39
good. And an Apple games controller
15:42
could work with every single one of
15:44
Apple's platforms apart from maybe the
15:47
Apple Watch. You know, you could use it
15:48
with Vision Pro, you could use it with
15:50
Mac, and you could use it with Apple TV,
15:53
iPad, even iPhone.
15:55
I can't see any reason why they wouldn't
15:57
make a product like that. And they
15:59
already support like PlayStation
16:01
controllers and and this it feels very
16:05
much in Apple's wheelhouse. And I would
16:06
like to see how they design one.
16:08
Although if the Apple TV remote control
16:11
over the years is any guide, it might
16:13
not be as ergonomic as one expects a
16:15
games controller to be.
16:17
>> Maybe it would be a games controller
16:18
that instead of buttons, it has uh
16:20
capacitive touch.
16:21
>> A games. Sorry. games controller that
16:23
doesn't have any buttons or D-pad. It
16:24
just has capacitive touch
16:26
>> or it's it's just oddly square shaped
16:28
and hard to hold symmetrical. But there
16:32
are other things with Apple silicon.
16:33
They could actually release uh the next
16:36
Apple TV 4K which is like a turbocharged
16:40
machine, you know, much faster than say
16:42
like the the Nintendo Switch 2. And you
16:47
know, like a it's somewhere a mid-market
16:49
serious gaming machine. And uh you know
16:53
it's at a time where I think Microsoft
16:54
is wobbling in this territory and and
16:57
PlayStation is saying it's sort of
16:59
getting out of or sorry Sony is saying
17:01
it's getting out of the hardware game.
17:03
And so with all of that in mind, I don't
17:05
know. It's it seems like there might be
17:06
a window of opportunity for Apple to
17:08
strike right now in this space.
17:10
>> I I uh I hadn't even heard that about uh
17:12
Sony getting out of the hardware game. I
17:14
I pay so little attention to games. It's
17:16
kind of crazy. But, uh, you know, Apple
17:18
Arcade, I mean, they keep adding games
17:20
to it. Every month or so, there's a
17:22
whole bunch of new games and and
17:23
sometimes there actually games I've
17:25
heard of, you know, high-profile games.
17:27
And, uh, and yet I I don't know. I I
17:30
I've never it's never come up in
17:31
conversation with anybody, you know,
17:33
granted I don't hang out with, you know,
17:35
16 year olds, but uh I I I've never
17:38
heard anybody once say, "Oh, yeah, I
17:40
play this great game on Apple Arcade."
17:42
You know, I it just seems like such a
17:45
weird venture. And I mean, do do you
17:48
guys I think Apple is very led by the
17:52
sort of casual gaming and the kind of
17:54
games people play on iPhone. This is
17:56
they're not like interested in these AAA
17:59
premium games. Um, but they could be and
18:02
you know like Apple is so loaded. if
18:04
they chose to, you know, they could buy
18:06
some serious game studios, they could
18:07
invest in some some serious games just
18:09
like they did with Apple TV Plus. And um
18:12
I'm here for it. I would like to see
18:14
Apple get into this territory. And so I
18:16
was hoping that the rumors of a of a a
18:19
games controller was a sign that there
18:20
might be more of interest to the new
18:23
Apple TV 4K than we had thought. And I
18:26
even thought that maybe the um the Beats
18:28
thing was a smoke screen to kind of
18:30
throw people off the scent that it
18:32
really is going to be an Apple
18:33
controller.
18:34
>> Yeah, I I don't even know where to start
18:36
with it. I'm so out of gaming, you know,
18:40
but it's uh it it it just seems like
18:44
they're always I mean they're always
18:45
trotting out these, you know, gaming
18:47
company people, execs that they're, you
18:49
know, to show off the power of how
18:51
amazing the latest Mac is for gaming.
18:53
And then, you know, it just it it it
18:55
just seems like the business market, you
18:57
know, they always wanted to get into the
18:58
business market and they kept talking
18:59
about the business market and they never
19:01
got into, you know, it never worked.
19:03
Eventually it it I mean I think they
19:05
did, you know. So maybe they maybe
19:07
they'll just keep hammering away at
19:08
games and eventually it'll actually
19:10
become a platform that people uh you
19:12
know use. But I I I just feel so out of
19:17
out of my depth talking about games and
19:18
I you know people people spend so much
19:20
time and money on on games and all I
19:23
mean I don't know that I've ever even
19:24
actually held a uh a Sony PlayStation
19:27
controller. I I
19:28
>> whatever.
19:29
>> Not even the original one.
19:30
>> No. I'm I mean, you know, when I was
19:33
growing up, my friend had an Atari.
19:36
Remember those? Yeah, that was fun. I
19:39
enjoyed that. But, uh,
19:40
>> did you roll a pong?
19:42
>> No. I What I vividly remember is him he
19:45
got the chess game and suddenly he
19:47
started beating me at chess all the
19:48
time. I I could never beat him again. I
19:51
had always beaten him at chess all the
19:52
time. He got the stupid Atari chess game
19:54
and uh that was it.
19:56
>> Okay. Well, do do you think should is do
19:57
you think um is there anything else to
19:59
say on uh the up and cominging products
20:01
or uh potential fall announcement or
20:03
shall we move on to iOS 27 and the other
20:06
OS 27 releases?
20:08
>> Let's go.
20:08
>> You want to move on, shall we?
20:10
>> Yeah. Yeah. I've got things to say about
20:12
it.
20:12
>> Okay.
20:13
>> About touch touch screens again.
20:16
>> Yeah. Okay. So, uh iOS 27 came out this
20:19
week. All all the OS 27s did. Uh Smarter
20:23
Series is here. still in beta of course
20:25
because
20:26
yeah well anyway uh our headline is iOS
20:30
27 arrives with a smarter Siri and fixes
20:32
you'll actually notice
20:34
fixes fix oh should be upgrades I don't
20:36
know fixes whatever anyway uh came out
20:39
focused on speed reliability and fixing
20:41
OS 26 annoyances Apple says faster app
20:44
launches better airdrop you know all
20:46
kinds of things you know just underlying
20:48
better more stable I've been running the
20:50
beta forever I updated to the thing this
20:52
year or this week. I I can't tell any
20:54
difference between the beta and this.
20:55
So, seems fine. I I remember when I
20:58
upgraded to the beta, it seemed like my
20:59
phone was faster. I now I don't I don't
21:02
remember, right? But it at the time it's
21:04
like, "Oh, this actually is better than
21:06
iOS 26."
21:07
>> Yeah, I had the same.
21:09
>> Yeah.
21:09
>> Well, I went from I went from 18 and
21:11
noticed the same thing.
21:12
>> Yeah. uh you know the new Siri I've been
21:15
you know starting to use it more often
21:18
because I mean after years of just
21:20
frustration I I it doesn't actually come
21:22
naturally to ask Siri anything. Uh but I
21:25
I had a good experience the other day. I
21:27
was driving along and I was listening to
21:29
a song and I said, "Hey, add that to my,
21:32
you know, playlist with such and such a
21:34
name." And it says, "Did it." It's like,
21:36
"Wow, that and it and it it's still I
21:38
mean I I I still don't like the lag of
21:40
Siri. like anything I ask it it's
21:42
thinking thinking little thing is
21:44
spinning and it's like it it seems like
21:46
even the most basic thing gets that now
21:48
which is a little frustrating cuz at
21:50
least in the past it failed quickly now
21:53
it's like you're waiting is it going to
21:55
work is it going to work maybe but you
21:57
know I've been I've been reading things
21:58
online people talking about all the cool
22:00
things they've had Siri do and um I mean
22:03
to me it's been mixed because I've done
22:05
things like like ask it I I I tend to
22:08
use it more in in my car using CarPlay
22:10
And I'll say things like, you know,
22:13
where am I? And I I think it actually
22:15
knew where I was, you know, which I
22:17
thought, well, that's that's
22:18
interesting. Uh, and I ask it uh but but
22:21
I'll ask it sometimes to to, you know,
22:23
play such and such a podcast and maybe
22:25
it will, maybe it won't. I'll ask it to
22:27
play a song. It's it's still to me seems
22:30
horrible at actually recognizing uh, you
22:33
know, song names, movie titles.
22:36
>> Even the new Siri AIA. Has that helped
22:38
at all? you you've complained about that
22:40
for a while, I think.
22:41
>> Yeah. And and I don't think I'm
22:42
mumbling. I think it just I think it
22:44
just doesn't somehow doesn't do it
22:46
right. Um
22:49
what was the other thing that there was
22:50
something else I was like, "Oh my god,
22:52
what how how is it not able to do this?"
22:54
I I don't know. I I guess it doesn't
22:55
work. I was I was reading a long list of
22:57
things that uh I think David Pog wrote
22:58
it up like 125 things that that he did
23:01
with the new Siri and how amazing it is
23:03
and all this and he had a long list of
23:05
things that sounded really cool. Um, but
23:07
he he said it doesn't work with the
23:08
health app, which I I had it's the first
23:10
time I'd heard that. Like the health app
23:12
has not been integrated in this. And
23:14
maybe that's just because they're
23:15
they're keeping all your health data
23:17
completely. I mean, although it's
23:18
supposedly all completely that that's
23:21
not coming until 27.2 because they've
23:24
held back the new health app, haven't
23:25
they?
23:26
>> Right. Maybe that's it.
23:27
>> I wouldn't be surprised if like there's
23:29
a big improvement there. I haven't tried
23:30
that out. I'm totally with you on this
23:32
thing and it's almost everyone that I've
23:35
heard who has reviewed Siri AI has said
23:38
that they were so used to Siri not being
23:40
able to do much that they don't think to
23:42
ask it now. And I every time someone
23:45
said that I thought yeah no I will. But
23:47
I'm exactly the same. It's just what I
23:48
find in practice like when I when I
23:50
actively think I wonder I'm going to
23:52
test Siri with something and it it's
23:54
often surprisingly good. In practice, I
23:57
find I'm just not using it at all
23:59
because it's just my go-to for a lot of
24:01
things is I might go to chat GPT. And I
24:04
mean, the truth is, like you were
24:05
saying, Lewis, that some of the things I
24:07
might ask Chat GBT, Siri probably could
24:10
do now. But chat GPT is going to do it
24:11
much faster and probably a little bit
24:13
better. And so why would I bother? And
24:15
that just leaves these things which only
24:18
Siri AI could do like,
24:21
oh, when was I meeting my friend Bob
24:24
next week? And uh I think it is good at
24:27
that stuff. Um but I just never think to
24:30
do it. And I'm trying to get more in the
24:32
habit, but I just never think to do it.
24:34
>> It's like, you know, make a a New Year's
24:36
resolution. Try Siri at least once a
24:39
day. Uh one of the things that that Pog
24:42
mentioned was uh he he asked it, "Hey,
24:44
what was the name of that restaurant I I
24:45
ate at last time I was in Austin, Texas
24:48
or whatever it was, something like
24:49
that." And and that's the kind of thing
24:51
that I I think could be really helpful.
24:53
I often find like if I'm on a trip, you
24:56
know, going around Italy and I'm like in
24:57
a near a town where I was 5 years ago,
25:00
I'm like, well, how would I find it? And
25:02
honestly, like it's impossible. You
25:04
know, I I go digging through like the
25:06
Swarmore app to see if I happen to check
25:08
in or, you know, Yelp or something. Uh,
25:11
and he he he was saying it was great,
25:14
you know, like it it it found it. It
25:16
told him exactly it. Uh, all kinds of
25:19
things like that that were really like
25:20
kind of impressive uses. and and I I am
25:24
determined now to actually try it more
25:25
often and and see, you know, push the
25:27
limits of it, see what it can do. Um I I
25:31
mean I have seen some examples of things
25:34
where it does it it does like that sort
25:37
of all of your device, all of your apps.
25:39
It it pulls information and and is
25:41
useful. So I but it's still it's still
25:45
not as you know polished and fast of an
25:48
experience as chat GPT is for you know
25:51
for whatever you know chat drives to be
25:54
crazy but still
25:56
>> yeah and some of the things that it used
25:58
to do very fast um like set timers and
26:01
stuff those are a little bit slower now
26:03
so that that is is true overall it it
26:06
it's definitely an improvement one of
26:08
the things I found as a developer you
26:10
know when you're developing features
26:12
for Siri. The problem is because this
26:14
stuff isn't deterministic, you can't be
26:17
sure if it's it's going to work. Like
26:19
for my strength training app, I added a
26:22
few features so that for example, you
26:23
could ask Siri what your one rep max was
26:26
for bench press or how how heavy did I
26:29
bench last time and it should be able to
26:31
answer those questions. Um, and if you
26:35
ask in a very specific uh sentence
26:39
construction, it usually works. But you
26:41
have to say at the end in reps and sets
26:44
which is the name of my app. And my
26:46
understanding is that if Siri associates
26:48
your app with a particular area like
26:51
strength training then it might allow
26:53
you to then not specify reps and sets at
26:56
the end. But I've never managed to get
26:58
that work to work. So you know I don't
27:00
think it's useful in Siri to just be
27:03
able to say, "Hey Siri, how heavy do I
27:05
bench?" if I have to say, "Hey, Siri,
27:08
what's my record for bench press in reps
27:11
and sets?" Because no one's gonna think
27:12
to say it quite that way. And so it's it
27:16
like, you know, I developed a feature
27:17
and it's there and I know I've done it
27:18
right. And you can trigger it sometimes
27:21
and sometimes I've even managed to
27:22
trigger it by saying, "Hey Siri, what
27:24
can I bench?" And and it's like, "Wo!"
27:27
And it tells you and it's amazing. And
27:29
then the same question a day later and
27:31
it will a bench is a device for sitting
27:34
on like a chair but wider.
27:37
>> Yeah. Yeah. I got I got one like that
27:39
the other day where it it defined
27:40
something I was asking about. No, you
27:42
got to be kidding me.
27:46
>> So yeah, I I think it's it's a massive
27:48
improvement and it's probably I think
27:50
now they have a basis for the future.
27:53
Um, like I I think, you know, what they
27:55
had before wasn't really the basis for a
27:58
next generation Siri, but maybe this is,
28:00
but it it feels like, well, it's in beta
28:03
right now. And uh uh you know, I I think
28:06
it's it it feels like it's heading in
28:07
the direction, but it does feel like a
28:09
beta, I guess.
28:10
>> What about you, Charlie? Do you turn it
28:11
off,
28:12
>> Siri? Yeah, I just don't bother. I mean,
28:14
I I use it for um setting timers when
28:17
I'm cooking
28:18
and reminders when I'm out and about.
28:20
Well, I've just uh yeah, with a watch, I
28:23
find that that's uh really useful just
28:25
to remind me of something when I get
28:26
home. And it generally does that pretty
28:28
well. My watch is on OS whatever cuz
28:30
it's a really old Apple Watch. Actually,
28:31
I replaced it today with uh
28:33
>> this anyway. So, I'm not wearing an
28:34
Apple Watch anymore. I just got a
28:36
regular round.
28:36
>> Yeah. Yeah. My round nons smartwatch
28:40
40ucks.
28:41
>> But have you tried Siri AI, Charlie?
28:43
>> No, because I am not using AI.
28:45
>> Oh, so you you won't enable Siri AI?
28:48
>> No, I won't I won't be enabling it. I
28:50
won't be using it. I'm It's morally
28:53
reprehensible AI. It's based on stolen
28:56
work. Uses uh it's an environmental
28:59
nightmare and uh even you know and when
29:03
every inquiry you make uses lots of you
29:05
know the bu uh also building out data
29:08
centers. The whole thing there's nothing
29:09
about AI I'm that is uh acceptable
29:12
>> the stuff that runs on your phone. Come
29:14
on. But still trained those me those
29:17
still trained on stolen everybody's
29:19
stolen data without asking them still
29:20
uses massive amounts of electricity to
29:22
do the training you know those those
29:24
runs. Uh so yeah what if Siri had like a
29:28
you know whatever the AI equivalent of a
29:30
of a land acknowledgement is before
29:32
every time before you start it up
29:35
>> it if if
29:37
>> yeah if if it went and asked all the
29:38
people whose data is stol if it could
29:40
use it for my to answer my query it
29:42
probably wouldn't be any slower. Yeah,
29:43
they could just use that time while it's
29:44
spinning to to run a little disclaimer.
29:47
Sorry. Sorry. We uh
29:50
we've partnered with Google. Uh let's
29:53
see. What else?
29:54
>> What about liquid glass? Like do people
29:57
feel like the glass has been polished up
29:59
to perfection or is it still a glossy
30:03
disappointment?
30:04
>> I like that you can slide the slider so
30:07
all the transparency goes out. It makes
30:08
it a lot uh and now it looks fine. It
30:10
actually looks nice. I like it on the
30:12
the mat quite a lot.
30:13
>> Do you slide it all the way to opaque?
30:16
>> Yeah, as opaque as I can get it. Yeah,
30:18
>> I should check that out by turning
30:19
liquid glass off. Isn't it
30:22
>> exactly
30:25
as I can get it?
30:26
>> I haven't dug around and found that
30:28
slider yet or played around with it. I I
30:30
still find things sometimes I I look at
30:32
something and it's like, God, it's
30:33
really hard to see what's going on here.
30:35
But
30:35
>> the slider comes up as soon as you
30:37
install that, right? On first run, I
30:39
think.
30:40
>> I don't remember.
30:40
>> Yeah. Uh yeah, it it did it uh
30:43
>> on iPhone definitely. Yeah,
30:45
>> maybe if you're coming up from the beta,
30:48
it doesn't uh it doesn't show it, but
30:50
yeah, it definitely. And on the Mac as
30:51
well, cuz I had just installed it on a
30:54
on a Mac a couple of days ago, yesterday
30:56
even.
30:56
>> And there was that story this just this
30:58
week on Cult, I think, about the dog cow
31:01
Easter egg. Did you see that?
31:03
>> Right. So, you know, if you if you I
31:05
think you on the slider screen there's
31:08
like a fake web page which shows
31:09
pictures of Apple Park. And if you
31:11
scroll down on that and you scroll all
31:13
the way to the bottom and you rubber
31:14
band it
31:15
>> then it says
31:18
womb or
31:20
>> move
31:24
and woof
31:26
>> and then the ClariS the dog cow appears
31:28
next to that circular pond in Apple
31:31
Park.
31:31
>> Yeah. I tried it. It works. Yeah, I I
31:34
kind of like that. It's it's it's stupid
31:36
enough to appeal to me.
31:38
>> So, that's your favorite feature in um
31:40
in
31:40
>> It might be my favorite iOS feature.
31:43
Yeah.
31:44
>> I like the fact that someone went to all
31:45
the effort of putting something really
31:47
dumb in there and they somehow managed
31:48
to maybe get it past the the sensible
31:51
people.
31:52
>> Let's see to ship it.
31:56
>> There's all kinds of new AI stuff all
31:58
the way throughout iOS, you know. Uh, I
32:00
don't know if you use these features,
32:01
but like the reframe, extend, and clean
32:03
up for photos. Uh, the the the extend
32:07
actually works amazingly well. Um,
32:12
like I I this is one of those things
32:14
where I I was I still haven't updated my
32:15
Mac actually to this and I didn't try
32:17
the beta because I I have to use the Mac
32:19
every day. I can't have it being more
32:21
flaky than it is. So, uh, I would open a
32:25
a photo, uh, you know, for the website
32:28
that I that like it's the wrong
32:29
dimensions or something and I need to
32:33
make it bigger. I I copy it to my photos
32:36
library, wait for it to show up on my
32:37
phone, use the extend thing on my phone,
32:39
makes a picture bigger, and then I open
32:41
it on my Mac, and it's it's like, wow,
32:43
it really works great. Um, and I'm
32:47
talking about like if you've got like a
32:48
a product shot with like, let's say it's
32:50
a picture of a a phone sitting in a a
32:54
field of grass or something and you just
32:55
need a little more grass around the
32:57
edges, you know? I I don't feel like
32:59
that's I mean, it is an AI image, but
33:02
it's it's not like I don't know. I don't
33:04
find it ethically a problem if you're
33:06
just
33:06
>> You're trying to get the Charlie to
33:07
forgive you, Lois.
33:09
>> No, this is the thing. It's like a lot
33:11
of the stuff that's called AI now used
33:12
to be with machine learning and and
33:15
doesn't necessarily rely on um large
33:17
language models to do its stuff. So it
33:18
it's it's trained in a in a different
33:20
way. They'll take a a data set of photos
33:22
and
33:24
uh train machine learning on that. It
33:27
it's not necessarily you know it's it
33:30
taking stealing them all from the
33:31
internet. I don't know how this and
33:33
Apple, you know, was doing
33:35
>> photos come from.
33:36
>> Yeah, I'm not sure where those what uh
33:38
that's the question I'm asking now
33:39
because we used for a long time uh like
33:43
a lot of Apple's photo stuff is based,
33:46
you know, even the uh
33:49
uh the portrait mode and things like
33:50
this uh use the neural engine. No, and
33:53
this is all this is all machine learning
33:55
stuff.
33:56
Uh so I yeah, I do wonder what the
33:59
training sets were for that. Uh, I would
34:02
actually I should look into that. That's
34:04
a good point. Uh, but yeah. Uh, I I
34:07
tried the uh be before I even knew what
34:10
it was, there was a symbol in the corner
34:12
on my iPad when I was running the beta
34:13
and it's the thing that makes it into
34:15
like a like a little I it it scans the
34:20
photo and then turns it into like a
34:21
little 3D thing. So when you move it,
34:23
the stuff from behind it appears. It's
34:24
as if it's like you you got a little 3D
34:26
picture in your hands and when you move
34:28
the iPad or the phone I can't do you
34:30
know that feature
34:31
>> facial photo
34:32
>> could be something like that or is that
34:33
not maybe that's not new in 27. Maybe
34:35
that's the 26.
34:36
>> That's the 26 feature. Yeah.
34:38
>> Oh okay. So that was uh that that was
34:41
neat. I played with that for a bit and I
34:42
was like okay I'm done with that now.
34:46
>> I I haven't tried the refframe one which
34:48
that will like like say you got a
34:50
head-on shot of somebody. you can
34:51
actually like make it so it's like a 3/4
34:53
shot or something. I mean, I I I've we
34:56
ran a review of this when it was in beta
34:58
and it was basically like, "Wow, these
34:59
things work really well." And uh the
35:02
cleanup thing I used that way back when
35:03
it first came out. I haven't really had
35:04
a reason to use it lately. Uh but
35:07
apparently that's a lot better than it
35:08
used to be. Um I think I think the re
35:11
the reframing one sends stuff off up to
35:13
the cloud, probably using private
35:16
compute, but the and one of the other
35:17
features as well, but some of them work
35:20
on device. But what I wanted to say was
35:21
that like things like uh the extensions
35:24
and the and the cleanup, this is like
35:27
really really old tech now. No, I mean
35:29
content aware fill and removing of
35:31
objects has been in Photoshop for how
35:33
long Graeme? 15 20 years or something 15
35:36
years.
35:37
>> No, it's more recent than that. Maybe
35:38
five years something like that.
35:39
>> No, content aware Phil has been was
35:41
there when I used to use Photoshop and
35:42
that was a long time ago.
35:43
>> The content aware Phil maybe but that's
35:45
very crude. That's not like
35:47
>> sure
35:48
>> that can the content and where fill if
35:51
you've got like a gradient or something
35:52
it can heal a little bit of that
35:54
gradient. It can't really plug gaps in
35:57
something like now now it's like
35:59
generative fill
36:00
>> and now it's way way better but I it's a
36:02
it's a continuity. What I mean is the
36:04
the concept and trying it has been going
36:06
for a long long time. So it's it's an
36:08
old technology that's got good in that
36:10
with
36:12
>> I I I think yeah
36:13
>> or not. Well, you mentioned the spatial
36:15
photos and I was saving this actually
36:17
for my favorite OS 27 features, but
36:19
since you mentioned it, I'm just going
36:20
to stick go right ahead and stick this
36:22
in. Now, the thing in OS 27 that I've
36:25
been most excited about is Vision OS 27
36:30
with the spatial panoramas. So, they
36:32
took the spatial technology that they
36:34
had in in photos in OS 26. And you know,
36:38
you you obviously have that on iPhone
36:39
and you can see it sort of 3D when you
36:41
move your phone around. But on Vision
36:42
Pro, it's like really awesome because
36:44
you could take a 2D photo and push the
36:47
uh spatial button and it would magically
36:49
make it it 3D just like on on the
36:52
iPhone. But the difference obviously
36:53
when you're wearing Vision Pro is you
36:54
see it in in stereo and it often would
36:57
make those photos pop a bit more than a
37:00
real stereoscopic spatial photo that you
37:02
took with the spatial setting. It would
37:05
make them look really 3D, a bit like I I
37:07
don't know if you guys are old enough to
37:09
remember Jaws 3D.
37:11
>> I was going to say the same thing
37:14
back in the in the late8s and they would
37:16
like be pointing fishing rods at the
37:18
screen and stuff like that to look 3D
37:21
and um when when you use the spatial
37:24
thing, it has that effect. It almost
37:25
puts more depth in than it's actually
37:27
there. But it's a really cool effect.
37:29
And so I was very excited about this
37:31
because they were then introducing this
37:32
in the panoramas. And the panoramas is
37:35
one of the best vision OS features. If
37:37
you've like me, you've taken loads of
37:39
panoramas over the years and not really
37:41
quite knew why because they look bad on
37:44
your phone. Um they look amazing on the
37:48
Vision Pro because it it wraps them all
37:49
around you like a real panorama and and
37:53
like they they fill your field of
37:54
vision. And I was thinking, how cool
37:56
would this be if you could make it 3D as
37:59
well? It would like be like being there
38:01
again, like reliving that moment. And
38:03
they did. And it is. And it's it's just
38:06
so awesome. And I I love it. You know,
38:08
it it's the one problem with it when you
38:10
move your head to get that parallax
38:12
effect. It it works. But if there's
38:14
something behind that person and maybe
38:17
foliage, if you're out on a a forest
38:19
walk or something, the foliage behind
38:21
the person is a little bit blurred. Um,
38:24
it's it's definitely giving me holiday
38:26
vibes. Like, you know, there's several
38:28
Star Trek Next Generation episodes where
38:30
they try and reconstruct something on
38:31
the holiday and tell the computer to
38:33
fill in what's behind that person and uh
38:36
the computer does, but it has to infer
38:37
it and it looks a bit blurred. And that
38:39
is exactly what this feature is like.
38:41
The Vision OS with this feature is like
38:43
the holiday. And I absolutely love it.
38:44
And I was
38:45
>> this week I spent a lot of time really
38:47
enjoying going back through all my
38:49
panoramas and looking them in in 3D and
38:51
being back there. I'm going to send you
38:53
some of my panoramas because I I used to
38:56
do some deliberate glitching of of
38:57
panoramas like uh moving. So the people
39:00
moved as you were doing the panorama. So
39:02
>> yeah. So you have the same person on the
39:04
left and on the right.
39:05
>> Yeah. But also as like moving with the
39:07
camera as you rotate it. So you know
39:09
they're it looks like the head's really
39:11
long or they've got three arms and weird
39:13
stuff like this or or actually just
39:15
shaking the camera as much as you as you
39:17
can get away with before uh iOS is like
39:20
nah, forget it. We're not cancelled. Uh,
39:24
so I'd be interested to see what some of
39:25
those look like in in in
39:28
>> 3D. What? Yeah. If you've got like a cat
39:30
with 12 legs, what how does it turn that
39:32
into 3D?
39:33
>> Terrifying. Sounds good. Let's try it.
39:36
Uh,
39:38
let's see. Uh, Safari got some new uh
39:40
new features. Organize tabs. Yeah. Okay,
39:42
great. Uh, monitor web pages for
39:44
changes. I actually used that the other
39:45
day. That that worked beautifully. You
39:47
can set it up to say, you know, for
39:49
instance, watch the AirPods firmware
39:52
update page, check it every hour, and
39:55
send me a message when it's when it's
39:56
updated. And that that worked
39:58
beautifully this week when they they
39:59
finally uh updated that page. And then I
40:01
found out that, for instance, I could
40:03
get the new AirPods um firmware and then
40:06
be able to unlock this feature in iOS
40:09
where you can finally use an EQ with
40:11
your AirPods. Uh this is actually like
40:14
the the craziest like most popular post
40:16
on cult of Mac this week is is that this
40:18
firmware update is up. People seem to be
40:20
really interested in it. Um and I this
40:23
is actually this this is kind of a
40:26
Leander style thing. This is a tip. So I
40:29
I was reading our how-to about um how to
40:31
how to basically, you know, force your
40:34
AirPods to update because it's it's
40:35
still opaque how exactly that works. And
40:38
one of the things it says, "Oh, it has
40:39
to be charging." But uh I think I looked
40:42
at Apple's document and it it it has to
40:45
be plugged in charging like wireless
40:47
charging did not work. I sat for a
40:50
couple of days with my phone near my
40:52
AirPods waiting for it to update.
40:54
Wouldn't do it. As soon as I plugged
40:56
that thing into a a USBC cable, like you
40:59
know, 5 minutes later, updated. I I have
41:01
no idea why. And maybe that's just some
41:03
random coincidence, but I honestly don't
41:05
think so because I was I I really wanted
41:07
that update so I could check out the EQ.
41:09
Um,
41:10
>> did you try rotating your AirPods to
41:14
make it read?
41:16
>> I did not do that.
41:17
>> Even Apple admits that it's uh wireless
41:20
charging is unreliable.
41:21
>> The uh So, the good news is the EQ is
41:24
there. The bad news is like, yeah, well,
41:26
it's like a weird little kind of three
41:30
line EQ. I mean, it's not like
41:32
>> it's just it's just three bands, right?
41:34
I I I got excited it would be like a 10
41:36
band thing or something which they do
41:37
have in uh well in iTunes. I don't know
41:39
if it's in Apple Music
41:41
>> uh
41:41
>> Apple Music it has like presets you can
41:44
set the EQ but like for music types and
41:47
it doesn't even it doesn't even show you
41:48
like a
41:49
>> a histogram or waveform or whatever of
41:51
what that does. It's just like, oh, you
41:53
want you want it to sound like country,
41:55
which you know. Okay. Well,
41:57
>> yeah, cuz 10 band EQ, there are lots and
42:00
lots of uh 10 band presets available for
42:02
headphones. So, you can kind of make
42:04
them their response flat, which is if
42:06
you're making music, it's cool because
42:08
uh it means you can use any headphones.
42:09
You can use the ones you use for
42:10
listening to music and they can be
42:11
colored. They can have a lot of bass.
42:13
They could have a, you know, however you
42:14
like it to sound. But then when you're
42:16
producing music, you want things to be
42:18
fairly true to, you know, you don't want
42:20
accentuated bass or accentuated treble
42:22
because you're mixing it. You want it to
42:23
be as flat or as uh as neutral as
42:25
possible. And so you can do that with
42:27
EQ. Uh
42:30
but not with a threeb EQ, unfortunately.
42:33
>> This was going to be my question as
42:34
well. Why is this why is this connected
42:37
to AirPods? Why isn't it a a feature in
42:40
the sound of iPhone? So, it just works
42:44
for any app with any any headphones. Why
42:46
does it have to be locked to AirPods? Is
42:49
there is there like a a technical reason
42:51
for that?
42:51
>> Maybe it's because they know what AirPod
42:54
I guess. H
42:57
is there not uh any kind of uh sound EQ
43:00
in the accessibility settings? I mean,
43:03
there are things there is the hearing
43:05
aid setting. So you obviously can put in
43:07
a a Pure Tone audiogram, which is I mean
43:10
I think essentially the same thing, but
43:11
then you would need to reverse engineer
43:13
the EQ settings you wanted into some
43:16
fake Pure Tone OD audiogram of the
43:18
hearing loss that would reflect that
43:19
that uh EQ setting. I guess I don't know
43:22
why they wouldn't make it systemwide,
43:24
but uh I mean testing it, you know,
43:25
yeah, it's pretty rudimentary, but it it
43:27
does work. I mean, I have one MP3 that,
43:31
you know, I've had for years of a song
43:34
that I swear to God, somebody must have,
43:36
you know, played a record and captured
43:39
it. And it it's it's just really like
43:41
the EQ is really bad, but it's it's a
43:43
it's like a version of this old truck
43:45
driving song that's the best version of
43:47
it I've ever heard. You know, the the
43:49
everything's the vocal performance is
43:51
amazing. Everything's perfect about it.
43:53
And and the same guy has done other
43:55
versions of the song and they're just
43:57
terrible. This one is great. Uh it's uh
44:00
give me 40 acres and I'll turn this rig
44:02
around is the song. And it's it's a it's
44:04
everybody's everybody's done this song.
44:06
All the all the truck driving when
44:08
you're driving your truck, Lewis,
44:10
>> I absolutely do. Uh and this version of
44:13
this by Dave Dudley is the best version
44:15
of it I've heard except for maybe the
44:17
original. And uh but this recording of
44:20
it or this this MP3, this digital file,
44:23
it's like the high hat is so hot and
44:26
there's hardly any bass. So it's it's
44:28
kind of painful to listen to. It just
44:30
doesn't it it doesn't sound right. It's
44:31
not EQed properly. But uh you know, I
44:34
was able to make it sound good using
44:36
that EQ. Uh, what would be awesome is if
44:39
I could change that file so that that
44:42
would always be that way. Cuz I mean,
44:43
you know, if I'm driving down the road,
44:45
I'm not going to dig into the EQ and and
44:47
fix that song. I I suppose I could
44:49
actually I could probably do that. I
44:51
could I could pull it into a garage band
44:53
or something and and and
44:56
>> change the EQ, make create a new file.
44:58
That maybe that's what I should do. But
45:00
uh anyway, my point is just the EQ is
45:02
not amazing, but it does work. And I can
45:05
see how people could be excited about it
45:06
because you know, maybe you're listening
45:08
to a podcast and it's, you know, the
45:10
sound is horrible for whatever reason.
45:12
You know,
45:14
>> imagine what we're doing.
45:16
>> I can't imagine anybody would ever have
45:17
that experience. But uh
45:21
anyway,
45:21
>> okay, I want to just point out my
45:23
favorite um
45:25
Are we doing this now? We I think we
45:28
feature
45:30
>> uh is that you can now use an iPad as uh
45:34
so the iPad you can use as a as an extra
45:37
screen for your Mac with sidecar uh but
45:39
you always had to use it with Apple
45:40
Pencil but now you can use it with
45:41
touch. So if you send a either either
45:45
use yeah if you send a an app off to
45:48
Sidecar and it opens up in your in your
45:50
iPad then you can now yeah you can use
45:53
your fingers on it. You've been able to
45:54
do this before with apps like Duet, uh,
45:57
which which which turn your iPad into a
46:00
into an extra touch monitor for your
46:02
Mac, but now it's built in and it works
46:04
really nicely. Uh, the
46:07
uh the connection is also very robust. I
46:09
have mine connected up with a um with a
46:11
USB cable. So, uh, but every time I
46:16
sleep, the computer, uh, the the screen
46:19
on the, uh, the iPad also goes to sleep
46:21
as if it was a a proper, um, connected,
46:26
uh, you know, connected extra monitor.
46:28
And then when you wake up the Mac, the
46:31
the the the iPad wakes up also back to
46:33
exactly where it was. Um, which is
46:35
really nice. And the touch implemented
46:38
is is implemented very well. Also, much
46:40
better than duet in my experience. it.
46:42
You just It kind of just works. You You
46:44
could do things like use one finger to
46:46
It works exactly like using a an iPad or
46:48
a phone. You just use one finger to
46:50
scroll stuff. You can uh tap and this
46:53
and that. It's a The only problem is for
46:56
me is it works on my iPad Mini. I'm not
46:57
on my 12.9 in uh 2018 iPad Pro because
47:01
that doesn't that doesn't that won't
47:03
update to this version. That's stuck on
47:05
um uh Mac uh iPad OS 26. So, I can only
47:09
do it on my mini.
47:10
So, so some of those touch targets are a
47:12
bit small, but I could see that it's the
47:14
first thing that's made me think, oh,
47:16
maybe I would get another big iPad
47:18
because it's it's really nice to be able
47:19
to especially next to a, you know, you
47:22
got your a laptop. It's you essentially
47:24
getting two two displays. One of them is
47:26
touch. Uh, it's really handy. I used I
47:29
was using it for Ableton and so I can
47:31
just quickly adjust EQ curves or, you
47:33
know, anything like that. Turn a knob.
47:34
It's really nice to be able to do that
47:35
with a touch. It's much more immediate
47:37
than using a mouse for it. So, that is
47:39
my favorite of all of the features. Uh,
47:42
even better than the the dog cow.
47:44
>> Even better than the dog cow.
47:46
>> Even better.
47:48
>> That That actually sounds uh cool. I I I
47:50
uh have seen people with these uh
47:52
external monitors that they carry with
47:54
them, you know, so they have, you know,
47:56
a workable amount of screen space in
47:58
their hotel room or whatever. I'm always
48:00
kind of jealous. Uh but man, if you
48:02
could just use an iPad for that and you
48:03
already then you have your iPad, you
48:05
have your Mac, you have you could take a
48:06
boat. That that sounds awesome. Yeah.
48:08
Also, the iPads are already probably a
48:10
way better display than those. I mean,
48:12
it costs a lot more, but it's a really
48:13
nice display. It's got really nice
48:15
multi-touch. Uh because those ones that
48:17
you you mentioned, they're all uh for
48:19
PC, right? For for Windows, cuz I looked
48:21
into it a while ago, and I couldn't find
48:23
anything really. Well, there's a few,
48:24
but uh
48:25
>> yeah, I I can't remember what the
48:27
version I borrowed one, you know, went
48:29
to a darts tournament. My roommate's
48:31
like, "Oh, you're using that little tiny
48:32
thing here. Use this." You know, he
48:34
brought over his like 15in second
48:36
screen. It's like it worked fine. I I
48:38
can't remember who made it. It, you
48:39
know, it didn't I didn't go, "Wow, love
48:41
this screen. This is a beautiful work of
48:44
art. I mean, it was flimsy and plasticky
48:46
and everything. I mean, I wouldn't be
48:48
proud to carry that thing around, but I
48:50
was happy I had it while I had to get
48:51
some work done."
48:52
>> My hot take on these like second screens
48:55
is I feel like if you're at Starbucks
48:58
and you get out a second screen, I think
49:00
you're crossing a line. I I just think
49:02
you're having a laugh at that point.
49:03
It's like if you you obviously camping
49:06
there for the day. You're going to be
49:07
nursing that one tall, skinny latte for
49:09
hours, and it it's not fair on the
49:13
staff. It's not fair on the other
49:14
customers. You need to go home. No one
49:16
needs to see you doing your work in
49:17
Starbucks.
49:18
>> Have you seen the video from some time
49:20
ago of a guy takes a desktop PC, like a
49:23
big beige old thing, plugs it in with a
49:25
with a CRT monitor, and hooks it all up
49:27
in the Starbucks, mouse and keyboard,
49:29
plugs it all in and everything. It's
49:30
fantastic. He just he just acts like
49:32
it's uh he's not doing anything.
49:36
>> Okay. Do we have anything else to say on
49:39
the OS 27 updates?
49:41
>> I can't think of anything else to talk
49:43
about really. I mean uh it's people
49:46
should definitely do if if you're
49:47
holding back. Like I I don't know why
49:49
you would. I mean it's it's literally
49:52
not that different than iOS 26, but has
49:54
good you know it's better and has good
49:56
features. So
49:57
>> that's an interesting point. A lot of
49:59
people do hold back for like the 0.1
50:01
update, don't they? But one of the
50:02
interesting things is I think this week
50:04
no gates. I haven't heard anyone.
50:07
It's gone touch wood. I think it's gone
50:09
pretty smoothly, right?
50:10
>> Yeah. I've been running the the beta on
50:13
my um Mac Mini for a few months and it's
50:17
it was just better than 18. It was
50:19
smoother and it felt felt fast and nice
50:22
and so I just uh I updated my my laptop
50:24
on the well yesterday. I've I've got a
50:27
great segue here for our next story
50:29
because there is no reason not to update
50:32
to iOS 27, but there are six reasons not
50:37
to update to iPhone 18 Pro. You see what
50:40
I did there? Well done.
50:41
>> That was that was almost like I was a
50:43
professional broadcaster for a minute.
50:44
>> Almost. Did you take a course?
50:48
>> That's my best segue yet. So, this story
50:51
uh a story published uh on Cult this
50:53
week. Six reasons to skip the iPhone 18
50:56
Pro this year. And this story caught my
50:59
eye because it's something that I have
51:01
been thinking about. I mean, I probably
51:04
wasn't going to get a new iPhone this
51:06
year anyway because I got a iPhone 17
51:08
Pro Max last year and it's still great.
51:11
There's no justification with updating
51:13
it and I don't normally update every
51:15
year anyway. But then like Lewis last
51:17
week, you were talking about how may
51:19
maybe you wouldn't update this year. you
51:21
were on the fence about it and I'm
51:23
hearing that and reading that all over
51:26
the place to the point which I started
51:28
thinking this could actually be a
51:29
problem for Apple like because if if
51:32
people are holding off this year then
51:34
that's not good. I've also seen some
51:36
mainstream media reviews of the 18 Pros
51:39
that are very very positive and actually
51:41
a slightly different vibe to what I've
51:44
seen in the sort of Apple press where
51:47
people have mostly been like okay well
51:49
yeah you know that's fine but I'm maybe
51:52
not going to update to it but it's fine
51:53
but then I I' I've seen like uh there
51:56
was like a a 4.5 star review out of five
51:59
on Gizmodo this week and it was a raving
52:01
review and like you know this is a a
52:04
killer smartphone. phone and it and it
52:05
blows all the Android competition out of
52:07
the water. And I thought that was an
52:09
interesting perspective and it made me
52:11
think, well, maybe maybe it's not a
52:13
disaster. But here are the six reasons
52:16
that Culter said that you maybe
52:18
shouldn't update this year. The higher
52:20
price, the variable aperture isn't
52:22
transformative. Siri AI doesn't require
52:26
it. If you've got a 17, you can still
52:28
use Siri AI. Older Pros are still plenty
52:31
fast. Like, sure, the new one is faster,
52:34
but the older ones are pretty fast. Uh,
52:36
the big redesign may be coming next year
52:39
for the 20th anniversary iPhone. So, if
52:41
you buy this year, you might have buyer
52:44
remorse next year. And maybe you should
52:47
save your money for the iPhone. But the
52:50
thing I that made me smile here is that
52:52
on Cult, we said maybe you should save
52:54
your money for the iPhone 2, which I'm
52:57
not sure I completely agree with. Um,
52:59
why not get a Duo? But what what do you
53:02
guys think about that? Lewis, where are
53:03
you at on on your upgrade plans? Are you
53:06
still thinking of skipping the 18 for
53:07
the first time in forever?
53:08
>> Yeah, I mean, for the first time since
53:10
I've worked at Cult of Mac, I did not
53:13
get up at 5 in the morning or whatever
53:15
and uh blurily place my order. I I
53:18
didn't do it. I can't I cannot justify
53:20
it. Um and it's
53:23
all of these things that we just went
53:25
over are reasons why. Um, the only one I
53:28
would quibble with on our list is the
53:30
variable aperture isn't transformative.
53:32
I I don't know about that. I mean,
53:33
that's that's like guesswork on the part
53:35
of Rees who wrote this post cuz he's
53:37
used variable aperture uh Android phones
53:39
and he says they don't, you know,
53:41
because you know, he's talking about
53:43
like, oh, good low light, but uh because
53:46
it's the same sensor size, it it's not
53:48
going to be that much of a difference. I
53:49
mean, I I think if you're a professional
53:52
photographer
53:54
or, you know, or or even just somebody
53:56
who's really into photography and you
53:57
want to go out and try new stuff, I
53:59
think it's probably a great upgrade. But
54:02
I think a normal person taking snapshots
54:04
of, you know, their friends at a party
54:06
or something, I don't I don't think it's
54:07
going to be that big of a deal. So, I I
54:08
think you can probably say it's not
54:10
going to be transformative for most uses
54:12
of the iPhone. Um, but yeah, I I can't I
54:16
my iPhone is perfectly fine. And and I
54:19
I've actually been wrestling with it
54:20
because, you know, I mean, I like what I
54:22
Oh, people are saying, "Oh, check out
54:24
this new accessory for the phone." I'm
54:25
like, "Oh, gez, I don't have the new
54:27
phone, so I can't check out the new
54:29
accessory." Although, I probably can.
54:30
It's basically the same size. I think
54:32
the cases fit the same. Um, but, you
54:35
know, it's just I there's a there's a I
54:38
read a lot of stuff on Twitter, a lot of
54:40
people talking about this stuff. You
54:41
know, basically the same thing. It's
54:43
like well and a lot of people who
54:45
responded to the cult uh today
54:47
newsletter we ran a poll about are you
54:49
upgrading and more than I I think more
54:51
than half people were not upgrading and
54:54
uh you know the the other thing that we
54:56
we didn't write on here is like well you
54:57
know the economy is kind of shaky you
55:00
know I inflation has eaten up my
55:04
paycheck I I don't feel like I have you
55:07
know just as much money as I I would
55:09
like to to spend and you know it's like
55:11
well do I really want to jack up the
55:14
price because of course the other thing
55:16
that really affect me is the is the
55:18
Apple upgrade program is going away. So,
55:21
you know, sorry, iPhone upgrade program
55:24
is has gone away replaced by the Apple
55:26
upgrade program. And so, you know, I'd
55:28
have to like close out that thing, open
55:31
a new one. The new one, you know, costs
55:34
more, especially if you want to have uh
55:36
Apple Care Plus. So, it just I don't
55:38
know, man. I I also because I've been on
55:41
the iPhone upgrade program even the last
55:43
couple of years I've kind of been going
55:44
should I get off this because you know
55:46
there's some pretty good dealer uh
55:48
wireless carrier deals you know um and I
55:52
I really start to wonder you know should
55:54
I just
55:56
you know pay off this phone and go to
55:59
you know go to Verizon where they'll
56:00
give me a free iPhone. I saw something
56:02
the other day I think it was T-Mobile
56:03
was like a free iPhone and a free iPad.
56:06
I'm like, what in the world? You know,
56:08
if you switch to T-Mobile, right? So, it
56:11
just seems like, you know, there's it's
56:13
more than just the the price is $100
56:15
more. It's like I think a lot of people
56:17
feel stretched and and nervous about,
56:19
you know, how much money they have, how
56:21
much money everything costs. You know,
56:24
every every subscription that I've am
56:27
subscribed to, which is way too many,
56:28
has gone up by $23 in the past year. You
56:31
know, it starts to add up. You know,
56:33
pretty pretty soon you're talking about
56:34
real money. Yeah.
56:36
>> So, yeah, I'm I'm not doing it. And also
56:38
burgundy.
56:40
Is there I I just I kind I cannot get
56:42
excited about that, you know. Although,
56:44
one of the things I saw
56:46
also 1x uh somebody's like, "Oh, well,
56:49
they they just pulled a great thing by
56:51
getting rid of Cosmic Orange. Now
56:52
everybody's walking around with Cosmic
56:53
Orange." You're like, "Oh, look at that
56:55
guy with last year's phone." I mean, it
56:57
is pretty obvious. There's no uh there's
57:00
no disguising that.
57:01
>> Yeah. So lame having a having an old
57:03
phone. God.
57:04
>> Yeah. using it.
57:05
>> One of the funny things were like we we
57:07
overall I think were pretty down on
57:09
Burgundy last week and I I've since then
57:12
been looking again looking at some of
57:13
the more mainstream press and looking at
57:15
influencers on on Tik Tok and so on. And
57:19
I think this might be a generational
57:21
thing. I'm starting to think maybe
57:22
burgundy is actually cool if you're, you
57:25
know, under 25 cuz they didn't force you
57:27
to wear something. It's just it's just
57:30
passing us by. Maybe Lois, you're not
57:32
cool enough to have a burgundy iPhone.
57:34
Yeah, it could be. I'm definitely not
57:35
young enough. I mean, I remember
57:37
burgundy. Uh that word, it's a terrible
57:40
word.
57:42
>> I was surpris I was surprised that they
57:44
actually called it burgundy. You know,
57:46
you could call it it something
57:48
different, but uh I don't know. I don't
57:50
think Apple knows about color, right?
57:52
Because they have literally they have
57:53
colorologists who research what are the
57:56
in fashion colors. I so I I don't think
57:59
that they they do these things by
58:01
accident. So, I think they must know
58:03
something we don't know about Burgundy.
58:06
Um,
58:07
>> yeah.
58:07
>> But I'm I'm curious though with with
58:08
with with what you said, Louis, are you
58:11
short on Apple stock right now? Are they
58:12
going to have a a dreadful quarter? Is
58:15
is now the the time to take a short
58:16
position on Apple?
58:18
>> Gez, you know, I be the last person you
58:20
should ask for stock advice. I mean, uh,
58:22
>> yeah, we don't I should say we do not
58:24
provide investment advice.
58:27
>> Just personal opinions from people who
58:28
have no clue.
58:29
>> I mean, you know, Lander and I have been
58:30
talking about this. It definitely seems
58:32
like there's no buzz around the iPhone
58:34
18 Pro. There's no energy around it. You
58:37
know that if you look at like the ship
58:38
dates, there's still, you know, you can
58:40
still order one right now and and pick
58:42
it up Friday. Uh I think I think that
58:45
the burgundy ones have slipped and I
58:48
haven't checked it today, but this was
58:49
like as late as yesterday. It was like
58:51
still available. And um you know, that's
58:55
that's weird. I mean, we've never seen
58:57
that since I've been here. Um, and you
59:02
know, the thing that's left out of this
59:04
whole equation is, oh, a lot of people
59:06
who upgrade their phone every year are
59:09
going to buy the iPhone Duo. So, they,
59:12
you know, there's a month-long lag where
59:13
it's like you're stuck in the saraso C
59:15
wait, you know, no, nothing's happening.
59:17
The 18 Pro came out, who really cares?
59:19
It's the same as 17 Pro. Slightly better
59:22
camera, slightly faster chip. Actually,
59:24
I guess it's fairly faster chip, but uh
59:26
you know, I I bet I mean I'm I'm sure
59:28
that the iPhone is going to slip like
59:30
within minutes. You know, it's going to
59:32
be the same way it was when iPhones came
59:35
out 5 years ago. Like, oh my god, you
59:37
know, I I overslept by 20 minutes and I
59:40
can't get one until February.
59:42
>> I'm sure that will happen, but the
59:43
problem is from everything we've read,
59:45
the uh they're having trouble ramping up
59:47
production on on them. So, the the
59:49
supply is going to be constrained. So
59:52
when even if it's at the top end of
59:55
their expectations of sales, I don't
59:57
know if the iPhone alone can really plug
59:59
the gap if it's a disappointing year for
1:00:02
for iPhone.
1:00:04
>> Well, yeah. And the other part of the
1:00:05
equation is there's there's no regular
1:00:07
iPhone 18, you know? I mean, it's a it's
1:00:10
definitely going to be a weird year. And
1:00:12
and I Yeah, it's interesting.
1:00:15
So Turnis takes over and and iPhone
1:00:18
sales, you know, let's just say they
1:00:20
drop by 5%. Because of all the things we
1:00:23
just talked about, wow, Apple stock is
1:00:25
definitely not going to Wall Street's
1:00:27
not going to be excited about that.
1:00:29
>> Yeah. I I think um
1:00:31
on reflection on this thing of having
1:00:33
using this year for big change in in the
1:00:36
iPhone roll out, it was maybe a mistake
1:00:39
because obviously this is something that
1:00:40
was planned under Tim Cook. But
1:00:42
>> maybe he did it that way so he wouldn't
1:00:44
look bad.
1:00:45
>> Sorry.
1:00:46
>> Maybe he did it that way so he wouldn't
1:00:47
look bad. He passed the blame on to the
1:00:49
new onto the new guy. Devious.
1:00:52
>> You mean that that Tim Cook knew this
1:00:53
was a terrible idea and say, "Oh, no.
1:00:55
Totally. We should do this, John. Do it.
1:00:57
>> Go for it."
1:00:57
>> Yeah.
1:00:58
>> That's what I'm saying. lay the regular
1:00:59
iPhones and make the iPhone 18 Pro just
1:01:02
very similar to last year with a special
1:01:04
color that's more dull, I think.
1:01:06
>> Yeah, make it burgundy.
1:01:07
>> That was a suggestion.
1:01:09
>> You know, I really like burgundy.
1:01:14
>> Let's see. I wonder. So, Apple's next
1:01:16
earning call is October 29th
1:01:20
as it just says it's estimated. I don't
1:01:22
know if that's actually true,
1:01:23
>> but that will be the previous quarter,
1:01:25
right?
1:01:26
That'll be That'll be right after they
1:01:28
open right after they open sales for the
1:01:30
duo. So, they can come out and say, you
1:01:32
know, unprecedented demand for the duo.
1:01:35
Oh my god, we can't make these things
1:01:36
fast enough.
1:01:38
>> Which could be literally true, but you
1:01:40
know, like
1:01:41
>> like people want 10 and we can only do
1:01:43
seven.
1:01:44
>> Um, so yeah, it's it is interesting. Uh,
1:01:49
one of the things that I I read about
1:01:51
uh, the whole trans, you know, a little
1:01:53
quip about the the transition was, you
1:01:55
know, it was it was the most Tim Cook
1:01:56
thing ever to have his last product be,
1:01:59
you know, a spec bunk spec bump MacBook
1:02:02
released by press release and he and he
1:02:05
lets Turnis come in and and, you know,
1:02:08
have the amazing new folding phone, you
1:02:10
know, very very Tim Cook, very
1:02:13
>> let's let the new guy have the the
1:02:14
glory.
1:02:16
>> Yeah.
1:02:18
But yeah, it is it is interesting that
1:02:20
that everything's different this year.
1:02:21
Everything is different. No iPhone,
1:02:23
regular iPhone, folding phone coming out
1:02:25
later. So, you know, it could be a weird
1:02:28
quarter.
1:02:28
>> I think it could be. What do you think,
1:02:30
Charlie? Do you think we're Do you think
1:02:32
Apple's in for a bumpy ride with these
1:02:34
18 Pros?
1:02:34
>> I mean, maybe. It's It's difficult
1:02:37
because like like the the lack of a
1:02:40
regular phone, which is, you know, what
1:02:42
regular people buy. I mean, this is this
1:02:43
is uh the new phone's 1,200 bucks. I
1:02:45
mean, that's a lot. That's a lot for a
1:02:47
phone. That's a that's a MacBook Air.
1:02:50
Uh, and you know, you really if you're
1:02:54
going to be Well, I was going to say if
1:02:56
you want to be keeping it around for a
1:02:57
while, you want to you're not going to
1:02:59
want the basic spec on one, but 256 gigs
1:03:00
is uh is okay for a phone. I think just
1:03:04
um
1:03:06
it's better than 64. But yeah, I don't
1:03:08
know. I mean it's as you've gone through
1:03:11
all the specs that I mean the cameras
1:03:13
looks great and from the photos that
1:03:15
Apple put on their you know uh that
1:03:17
we've seen from their their demo photos
1:03:20
but they always look good. I still think
1:03:22
that the uh this is going to be this is
1:03:24
my radical opinion but uh that the
1:03:26
iPhone uh 10 was the best camera not
1:03:30
inspect not in tech terms cuz obviously
1:03:32
things have got better since then but
1:03:33
just the way the the photos look
1:03:34
whenever I look back at old pictures I
1:03:36
see those uh and there that's what my my
1:03:39
my partner is using now that old phone
1:03:41
still
1:03:43
and they the photos they take are really
1:03:47
are great I mean they're they're not so
1:03:48
good in low light this and that anyway
1:03:50
I'm going on about cameras But that my
1:03:51
point is that with the uh the variable
1:03:53
aperture is the big is the big thing in
1:03:55
this. And like you said, Louis, it's not
1:03:57
going to make much difference to most
1:03:59
people. Uh it's handy in a couple of
1:04:02
ways. One is that you can shoot in more
1:04:05
bright light and have a little bit more
1:04:07
control over things because you can
1:04:08
close the aperture down and it means
1:04:09
you've got, you know, a little bit more
1:04:10
leeway with the shutter speed and stuff.
1:04:12
And the other thing we saw is being able
1:04:14
to blur stuff. Again, by closing that
1:04:15
aperture down, letting in less light, it
1:04:17
lets you use a slower shutter speed. Uh,
1:04:20
and that means and I guess they've
1:04:22
tweaked their software as well because
1:04:24
uh, you know, on a on a film camera, on
1:04:27
a regular digital camera, when you slow
1:04:28
the shutter speed, it you get blur. You
1:04:31
just get blur and that's what gets
1:04:32
recorded. But with the computational
1:04:33
photography of of a phone, that kind of
1:04:36
thing is being deliberately uh, gotten
1:04:38
rid of. So, I guess they've tweaked
1:04:40
their software to allow that blur to be
1:04:41
in. Um, it'd be interesting to see what
1:04:44
that looks like in, you know, in real
1:04:45
use rather than their example photos.
1:04:47
But, you know, those are those are
1:04:49
Trixie things. They're not really going
1:04:51
to make that much difference. So, I
1:04:52
don't know. And the duo,
1:04:54
I think that's a lot of money as well. I
1:04:56
mean, that's two grand. They're going to
1:04:57
probably sell out of them, like you say,
1:04:59
but partly because of the the the low
1:05:01
supply. There's going to be demand from
1:05:03
there's enough people interested in
1:05:04
this, but I don't think that's going to
1:05:06
be It's probably going to sell. What do
1:05:08
you think? Do you think it's better than
1:05:09
the the What is it? The the the skinny
1:05:13
iPhone, the Air.
1:05:14
>> Well, yeah. Much better than that, I
1:05:15
think. I mean, you could buy two of
1:05:18
those and gap them together and you'd
1:05:20
have a a duo, right?
1:05:22
>> I I think the duo will do really well. I
1:05:25
think it'll be a smash hit product, but
1:05:27
it uh Yeah, it it it it's still a modest
1:05:30
part of the overall product mix, you
1:05:32
know, because they can't make that many
1:05:33
of them.
1:05:34
>> Yeah. And every year, I mean, they sell
1:05:36
more of the regular iPhone than anything
1:05:38
else. it it doesn't make, you know, that
1:05:40
doesn't generate as much profit as the
1:05:41
Pro phones, but um
1:05:45
it it's it's the it's the hot seller. I
1:05:47
mean, why why wouldn't it be? It's it's
1:05:49
more affordable. So,
1:05:52
yeah, this is going to be an interesting
1:05:53
one. It'll be very wild to see. Um but
1:05:56
by the way, speaking of that iPhone
1:05:58
photo, uh camera, did did you see Apple
1:06:01
put out a press release? They're
1:06:02
actually they're launching an art
1:06:05
exhibit of uh you know they got three
1:06:08
photographers who took pictures using
1:06:10
the iPhone 18 Pro and uh you know once
1:06:13
again the photos are like wow that's
1:06:14
really cool. You know there's one guy
1:06:16
who who does really arty stuff with like
1:06:18
the you know blurry stuff and and you
1:06:21
know that's the Apple during their event
1:06:23
you know they're always great. They're
1:06:24
like, "Look at how great these pictures
1:06:26
are that you take with this, right?" And
1:06:27
you're like, "Yeah, well, this guy had
1:06:28
took some great pictures, too." But, you
1:06:29
know, he clearly was standing on the top
1:06:31
of, you know, Mount Everest or
1:06:33
something. I mean, yeah, it's a striking
1:06:34
photo and you know, I'm not going to be
1:06:37
standing there. So, it's but it it's
1:06:40
this aspirational thing, man. They make
1:06:42
you go, "Wow, if I could take a picture
1:06:44
like that, that would be so satisfying.
1:06:46
If I only had that phone, I could do it.
1:06:48
If I only had that phone."
1:06:49
>> But I wasn't enough. Wasn't enough to
1:06:51
convince me this time around.
1:06:52
>> Yeah. Well, we will. I I I I partly look
1:06:56
forward to and partly dread Apple's next
1:06:58
quarter earnings for them. I I just It
1:07:01
does feel like there's going to be a bit
1:07:02
of a a hole to plug somehow, but maybe
1:07:05
they'll plug it or something else.
1:07:07
>> They don't have Luca Maestry around
1:07:09
either to
1:07:11
I miss his voice if nothing else, his
1:07:13
accent.
1:07:14
>> So, we we've got one more story,
1:07:16
Charlie, and it's your story if you want
1:07:18
to take us home with Duos.
1:07:21
>> Crunchy Duos. That's actually sounds
1:07:23
quite tasty. That sounds like a
1:07:25
chocolate bar from the '7s.
1:07:26
>> Yeah.
1:07:28
>> Uh, will the iPhone Duo be repairable?
1:07:30
IFIX is skeptical. So, uh, yeah, I fix
1:07:34
it, who I write for on occasion. Uh, an
1:07:36
article from IIXits, Elizabeth
1:07:38
Chamberlain, who's their director of
1:07:39
sustainability.
1:07:41
Uh, yeah. is I fix haven't got gotten
1:07:46
one yet to tear down but is skeptical
1:07:48
that it will be repairable based on
1:07:49
seven years of tearing down other
1:07:51
foldables. Uh the screen well that you
1:07:55
got a few problems. Well, let me go
1:07:57
through all the points then I'll get
1:07:58
back to that. Hinges are still the weak
1:07:59
point. Dust and sand can work their way
1:08:01
into folding mechanisms uh despite
1:08:05
increasingly sophisticated protection.
1:08:07
Uh the even the best repairable
1:08:10
foldables are
1:08:13
tough. What does what does this sentence
1:08:14
mean?
1:08:14
>> Tough fix. I guess that's what it means.
1:08:16
So yeah, Google provides parts and
1:08:18
tools. Uh but the Pixel Fold only scored
1:08:20
four out of 10 on iFix its repairability
1:08:23
uh score.
1:08:24
>> And those are like those aren't just
1:08:26
like madeup scores like uh you know game
1:08:29
game scores.
1:08:31
Don't don't write in if you're a gaming
1:08:32
journalist. uh there there's a like a
1:08:35
very strict rubric on how these how
1:08:38
these scores are done. Um okay so
1:08:40
replacing an inner screen can take up to
1:08:42
three to five hours. Now if with the
1:08:45
with foldables you know you got two
1:08:46
batteries in there that's like I joked
1:08:48
about putting two iPhone airs together
1:08:49
but it really is you know it's two
1:08:51
phones in there two screens two
1:08:52
batteries. Uh so you want to replace
1:08:55
those batteries which is you will have
1:08:57
to do because that's a consumable part
1:08:59
in all phones or devices. Uh, that could
1:09:02
be
1:09:02
>> one screen. It's not two screens. Just
1:09:04
to be frantic.
1:09:07
>> Okay. Well,
1:09:08
>> no, there's screen on the outside. I see
1:09:09
what you mean. Yeah.
1:09:10
>> Yeah. But I was actually referring to
1:09:12
the to the two part. Yeah. The one
1:09:14
screen, I guess. But you got to spring
1:09:16
it out of two two um
1:09:18
>> two screens.
1:09:18
>> Two assemblies. You know, you got to
1:09:20
take it you've got to free it up from
1:09:22
both sides. But yeah. Okay. Uh a bendy
1:09:26
screen. Well, on the on the plus side,
1:09:27
it's it's a bendy screen, so you're less
1:09:29
likely to crack it. I guess taking it
1:09:31
out. Uh but yeah, it's going to be very
1:09:33
interesting to see what Apple's done
1:09:34
here because we we we got a look inside.
1:09:36
Uh during the keynote, we we saw kind of
1:09:38
how they've put the screen together, how
1:09:39
they've tried to avoid the uh the crease
1:09:42
by having a lot of support around around
1:09:45
the fold. Uh how they've tried to keep
1:09:47
dust. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the it it
1:09:50
looks amazing inside and all of the
1:09:51
other bits and pieces they've done, you
1:09:52
know, the 3D printing of certain parts
1:09:55
in order to make it all match up. But
1:09:57
the two big problems with a foldable are
1:10:00
are the screen crease and the you know
1:10:04
you're opening and closing it and no
1:10:05
matter how flat you try and make it that
1:10:07
thing is getting some wear. So it's
1:10:09
going to uh be very interesting to see
1:10:11
how that how that goes. We've already
1:10:13
seen some pictures uh of the crease
1:10:16
showing. I guess the matte is going to
1:10:18
the matte finish is going to help with
1:10:19
that a lot as well because it's not you
1:10:21
know it's not going to catch the light
1:10:22
along the crease like a glossy screen.
1:10:24
And then the other problem is dust. And
1:10:26
you know, once that gets into the hinge,
1:10:28
it makes the hinge hinge crunchy. It can
1:10:29
get in behind the screen as well. Uh
1:10:32
it's I guess I mean, I'm guessing this
1:10:35
is going to be the best uh folding um
1:10:40
you know, folding phone ever cuz Apple's
1:10:42
just so good at this stuff. But is it
1:10:44
going to be good enough to you know, to
1:10:46
get around those things when you're
1:10:47
spending two grand and after a few
1:10:49
months your hinge hinge gets dusty and
1:10:51
crunchy? I don't know. Plus all of those
1:10:53
tiny parts in the hinge. Uh, you know,
1:10:56
every time whenever you increase the
1:10:58
amount of parts in something,
1:11:00
uh, that's, you know, more weak points
1:11:03
and more difficult to take apart as
1:11:05
well. I'm really interested to see how
1:11:07
how easy it is to take that take the
1:11:09
batteries out. And what and if it's even
1:11:11
going to be possible to replace the
1:11:13
screen cuz is it the is it the top layer
1:11:14
of the screen is 3D printed? Which part
1:11:17
of it is 3D printed? or is it the part
1:11:18
of the hinge that uh I'm just thinking
1:11:21
if if you're home repairing it, you're
1:11:22
not going to have access to those those
1:11:24
parts. So, I'm interested to see uh what
1:11:27
the tear down says about that. I will be
1:11:29
asking because I'm I'm in the slack with
1:11:31
the the iFix it folks.
1:11:34
>> I mean, this one supposedly is water and
1:11:37
dust proof, right? Uh, I bet you it's,
1:11:41
you know, it's kind of like we're saying
1:11:42
like Rea saying, "Oh, well, the iPhone
1:11:45
18 Pro's camera is, you know, not going
1:11:46
to be that transformative based on a
1:11:48
bunch of old Android phones." I I mean,
1:11:51
I bet you this iPhone is uh way better
1:11:55
engineered than than the ones, you know,
1:11:58
competitors that have come out already.
1:11:59
But I mean the screen is still like
1:12:01
that's every time I I and you know since
1:12:04
I'm not getting the 18 Pro I there's a
1:12:06
part of me is going am I gonna you know
1:12:08
hit the lottery and win and buy an
1:12:10
iPhone duo maybe. I mean I'm still on
1:12:12
the fence about it because I I would
1:12:14
like to if nothing else try it out. But,
1:12:16
uh, the idea that that screen isn't
1:12:19
going to get, you know, burned in or,
1:12:22
you know, creased out, I I just can't I
1:12:25
can't believe that that it it just
1:12:27
doesn't seem possible they could do it.
1:12:29
But then, I don't know if you saw that
1:12:30
interview with Turnis, uh, where he was
1:12:32
talking about, you know, he went at
1:12:33
length about all the things that they
1:12:36
did. You know, there's this kind of
1:12:37
layer that does this and there's these
1:12:39
uh, adhesives underneath. I I think this
1:12:41
was in an interview and not on the not
1:12:43
during the keynote. Uh, it was like,
1:12:45
wow. It's just it's it's just
1:12:46
mindblowing the the amount of time and
1:12:49
effort that they've put into this and
1:12:51
and how they've you know they think
1:12:53
they've made it so it's not going to be
1:12:54
a giant crease factory. So
1:12:56
>> well they've waited seven years haven't
1:12:58
they? They they've let Samsung just have
1:13:00
the market for seven years and they've
1:13:02
made their move now. So I I I kind of
1:13:05
this is not like a rushed product. I
1:13:07
think Apple has been observing this
1:13:09
category for a long time and abiding
1:13:11
their time until they they felt they
1:13:14
could ship something that was up to
1:13:15
their standards. And maybe this is
1:13:18
because I am, you know, an Apple fanboy,
1:13:20
but I kind of feel like Apple is always
1:13:22
held to a higher standard on these
1:13:24
things. You know, when when Samsung
1:13:26
shipped their first fold, they had to
1:13:29
recall them, didn't they? There was
1:13:30
there was something wrong with them all
1:13:31
and it was
1:13:32
>> Yeah. Everyone was peeling off the top
1:13:34
layer of the screen cuz they thought it
1:13:35
was protective film. So, I mean,
1:13:38
>> if that was an Apple launch, the media
1:13:40
would have lost their minds about it.
1:13:42
But with but with Samsung, they just
1:13:44
sort of move on and it's like, oh,
1:13:46
whatever. And and I I think Apple Apple
1:13:49
knows that they can't screw up with
1:13:51
this. You know, it's going to there's
1:13:53
going to be so much scrutiny and there
1:13:54
immediately they're going to be idiots
1:13:56
who buy a duo and then just so they can
1:13:59
do like a video on YouTube where they
1:14:01
snap it in half.
1:14:02
>> Yeah. and um you know so that's that's
1:14:05
all coming and uh I think Apple is ready
1:14:08
for it. I think they've been working on
1:14:09
this for 7 years. So that's the uh
1:14:12
that's the durability of it which is
1:14:14
part of repairability but I think you
1:14:16
know the point is that repairability is
1:14:18
about more than just I mean it partly is
1:14:20
about how if if something doesn't break
1:14:21
it doesn't need to be repaired for sure
1:14:23
but there are parts which like the
1:14:26
batteries which are in the EU now you
1:14:29
know they have to be user replaceable
1:14:30
and this is a new product so these the
1:14:33
batteries
1:14:33
>> not on phones because Apple got an
1:14:34
exception
1:14:36
>> if the if their if their batteries
1:14:37
perform to a certain degree which all
1:14:39
iPhone batteries who they get an
1:14:41
exemption under the EU law.
1:14:42
>> Exactly. So this I I wonder how this is
1:14:45
uh you know I think that if I was
1:14:48
spending that much money on a on a
1:14:50
device and I couldn't change the battery
1:14:52
in it easily without you know breaking
1:14:54
something like
1:14:56
I mean I' I've always
1:14:58
>> just go to the Apple store.
1:14:59
>> No that's not what repairability is.
1:15:01
>> Oh sort it out for you.
1:15:03
>> No cuz what they do is just give you a
1:15:04
new one. That's not repairability.
1:15:06
uh they have to have a special
1:15:09
durability sometimes work diametrically
1:15:11
opposite goals, don't they? Because if
1:15:13
you want to make something repairable,
1:15:15
you're not going to seal things and
1:15:16
you're going to make things modular and
1:15:18
that's where the crunchiness can sneak
1:15:20
in.
1:15:21
>> That's true. That's true. Yeah. I mean,
1:15:23
yeah, sometimes durability is is a bonus
1:15:26
if you got a very strong screen and it's
1:15:27
it's less likely to break and you're
1:15:29
less likely to need to fix uh to replace
1:15:31
it. But yeah, exactly that, especially
1:15:33
in something with a hinge, if you're
1:15:36
Uh, you know, you really want to get
1:15:37
that sealed because the thing is every
1:15:38
time you open and close it, that's
1:15:40
pulling air in and out, which means dust
1:15:42
in and out.
1:15:44
Uh, yeah. I feel like that the Duo is a
1:15:47
bit like a sports car. And it it's kind
1:15:49
of like if you if you buy, you know, a
1:15:52
cheap secondhand car, you might drive it
1:15:54
through the local car wash, but if you
1:15:56
get a fancy sports car, then you're
1:15:58
going to pay a detailing service to to
1:16:00
clean it properly, right? And I think
1:16:02
it's the same with if you if you want a
1:16:04
phone which is like a what Americans
1:16:07
call it like soccer mom cars or
1:16:09
something you know then that if you want
1:16:11
a phone like that then I think you you
1:16:13
shouldn't be buying a duo because it's
1:16:15
just not practical for that. This is
1:16:16
like a sporty.
1:16:18
>> So you're saying it's Apple should make
1:16:21
repairable phones but I don't
1:16:23
necessarily think all phones should be
1:16:25
repairable if it's going to be something
1:16:26
much more exotic like a Duo. I feel
1:16:28
Apple gets a little bit more leeway
1:16:30
there that
1:16:31
>> I don't think I even I don't think I
1:16:33
even need to argue with that.
1:16:35
>> It shouldn't. So, as you're saying,
1:16:36
>> you're so right. Because I'm so right.
1:16:38
Wait,
1:16:38
>> the highend phone the high-end expensive
1:16:40
phone
1:16:42
>> their high-end expensive phone is uh
1:16:45
it's all right for it to be shoddly
1:16:46
built. Is that what you're saying?
1:16:47
>> No, it's not shoddly built at all. It's
1:16:49
quite the opposite. Prioritizing
1:16:51
that there in any design and especially
1:16:54
in in industrial design, there are all
1:16:55
these trade-offs of what you're going to
1:16:57
prioritize and modularity. Uh user
1:17:00
swappable components is something that
1:17:01
you might prioritize on some products
1:17:03
but not on others.
1:17:04
>> Uh the uh Fairphone makes um fair buds.
1:17:09
I can never remember if they're fair but
1:17:10
buds or fair pods pretty which they
1:17:12
should have been fairs. I think they're
1:17:13
fair but buds. Uh and these things have
1:17:16
replaceable batteries. Um, the AirPods
1:17:18
Pro have coin cells in. I mean, they're
1:17:20
just regular batteries inside. They're
1:17:21
not like amorphous special designed
1:17:23
batteries to fit inside, you know,
1:17:24
perfectly to take up every every, you
1:17:28
know, cubic millimeter of inside.
1:17:29
They're just regular coin batteries, but
1:17:31
you just can't open the thing up to get
1:17:32
to them. The Fairpods are no bigger and
1:17:35
they don't have worse performance. I
1:17:36
mean, they don't have the they don't
1:17:38
sound as good as AirPods, but they're
1:17:40
not designed to do that. But size-wise,
1:17:43
they're the they're they're the same,
1:17:44
and you can get the battery out very
1:17:45
easily, and you uh you just take off a
1:17:48
rubber band that holds the thing
1:17:49
together, flip them open, and you take
1:17:50
it out like exactly like uh it's got a
1:17:52
little flip out carrier, like a a
1:17:55
hearing aid batteries.
1:17:57
>> Um
1:17:57
>> hearing aids don't do that anymore. They
1:17:59
have rechargeable batteries.
1:18:00
>> Old hearing a old hearing aid.
1:18:02
>> The ones like a really oldfashioned
1:18:04
technology.
1:18:05
>> Yeah. Yeah. Really old fashioned
1:18:06
technology. Aka being able to change the
1:18:08
battery. terrible, terrible old old
1:18:10
technology that we just just don't need
1:18:12
it anymore. Might as just throw those
1:18:13
things into the ground. Throw them into
1:18:15
the ground. Let's, you know, let let all
1:18:17
of those uh minerals leech out.
1:18:20
I have never tried to change a battery
1:18:23
on an iPhone or a screen or anything
1:18:25
like that. I I know Leander's tried it
1:18:27
different times and I just I cannot even
1:18:29
imagine do trying to do that on I
1:18:31
there's there's no way on earth I'm not
1:18:33
just going to the Apple store and
1:18:34
saying, "Hey, fix this."
1:18:35
>> That's the trouble. And that's most
1:18:37
people and you should be able to you
1:18:38
should be able to change it. I mean the
1:18:39
battery is going to wear out. I mean
1:18:41
that's just they do. And what happens is
1:18:43
when the battery wears out you either
1:18:44
have to go to Apple or whoever to get it
1:18:47
done or um
1:18:50
you people will just buy a new phone
1:18:52
which is I guess what Apple is counting
1:18:53
on when you you know when your old phone
1:18:55
is perfectly good. I mean, mine I'm
1:18:57
running an iPhone 12, which it uh which
1:19:00
12 mini, which you know, Leander likes
1:19:01
to laugh at, but it's it's I haven't
1:19:04
actually changed the battery yet cuz but
1:19:06
uh I will. And it's and it's just fine.
1:19:09
I mean, it still does exact everything
1:19:10
it was meant to do.
1:19:13
>> And there's no reason to throw those
1:19:15
things.
1:19:15
>> Yeah, exactly. That's a feature.
1:19:18
>> It's just like the uh Battle Battlestar
1:19:20
Galactica thing where they have
1:19:22
>> hardwired telephones.
1:19:25
I was just thinking of Battlestar
1:19:26
Galactica and then in in if we're in a
1:19:28
sort of Battlestar Galactica scenario
1:19:30
right now, then Charlie will be doing
1:19:32
the whole I told you so when
1:19:35
>> we're all taken over by the Sylons.
1:19:37
>> I would I would have the old like the
1:19:39
80s mechanical silons with the Night
1:19:40
Rider eye,
1:19:42
>> LED, red LED.
1:19:43
>> They have to have all their computers
1:19:44
disconnected from networks because as
1:19:46
soon as they plug a computer in, then
1:19:47
the Sylons take it over.
1:19:49
>> Yeah, let's get rid of the internet.
1:19:50
Let's do it.
1:19:53
>> Is that it?
1:19:54
I mean, it doesn't surprise me then,
1:19:55
Charlie, to conclude that you're not
1:19:57
going to be getting an iPhone duo.
1:19:59
>> I won't be. Won't be. Or the 18, bro. Or
1:20:01
the 18 when it comes out.
1:20:02
>> Sticking with the 12 mini.
1:20:04
>> Sticking with the 12. Keeping going.
1:20:05
Yeah. I'm looking forward to a new
1:20:06
battery. That's going to be a nice one.
1:20:08
We'll have a nice little dinner to
1:20:09
celebrate that.
1:20:10
>> You know, I think the the thing which to
1:20:11
me is most exciting about the Duo is not
1:20:14
just the Duo in itself, which I am kind
1:20:16
of interested in. And if it wasn't for
1:20:17
the fact that it doesn't take spatial
1:20:19
photos, I would definitely be getting a
1:20:21
Duo. But because it doesn't, I'm in sort
1:20:23
of two minds about it. But I I think
1:20:25
more than that, as I think about it,
1:20:27
what to me is exciting about the Duo is
1:20:31
Apple really thinking outside the box
1:20:32
with the iPhone UI. Like because they've
1:20:35
done this now, because in Xcode 27, the
1:20:37
user interface is resizable. And now
1:20:40
like the the tab bar and the the
1:20:43
navigation bar can go on the right hand
1:20:45
side instead of the top and the bottom.
1:20:47
That opens up. They're just like I don't
1:20:49
know if they've done this just for the
1:20:51
Duo. I think this is a new direction for
1:20:54
iPhones in general. And it it's it's
1:20:57
amazing as a developer looking back at
1:20:59
the user interface. It's now like
1:21:01
there's this really clear line of
1:21:02
reasoning that goes back to iOS 26 when
1:21:05
they changed the uh the navigation
1:21:08
toolbar at the top to have those
1:21:09
circular buttons instead of words. They
1:21:12
obviously were thinking about the Duo
1:21:14
with 26 as well, right? those circular
1:21:16
buttons at the top could go on the side.
1:21:18
And this, I think, is part of a
1:21:20
long-term multi-year project that Apple
1:21:23
has to sort of jazz up screen sizes and
1:21:26
stuff. And so, you know, we had a new
1:21:29
form factor with the the iPhone Air last
1:21:31
year. Now, we've got the but but the
1:21:33
iPhone Air still had a sort of standard
1:21:35
regular iPhone screen shape. Now, we've
1:21:38
got the Duo with weird size screen
1:21:41
shape. Um, with good reason. you know,
1:21:43
they wanted to have like a 16x9 when you
1:21:46
open it up and so that gave them a
1:21:47
certain pro for when it's closed. Um,
1:21:49
but I I it makes me really curious to
1:21:51
see where they will go next with this
1:21:53
because they've now really
1:21:55
I mean developers are going to really
1:21:57
struggle this month to update their apps
1:21:59
to support the Duo. We don't even have
1:22:01
Xcode 27.1 yet. And so we can't even
1:22:04
start work on this. Apple is sharing
1:22:05
loads of video assets giving us clues of
1:22:08
how we're going to be supposed to do
1:22:09
this, but they haven't given us the
1:22:11
tools to actually do it. So, it's going
1:22:13
to be a a mad scramble, but uh I I think
1:22:16
it's not just about the duo. I think
1:22:17
it's about the future of the iPhone
1:22:19
platform. And it makes me really curious
1:22:21
to see what's coming what's coming next
1:22:24
because the user interface now can adapt
1:22:26
to all kinds of different form factors.
1:22:28
>> Maybe they'll come out with an iPhone
1:22:29
Nano and Charlie can finally upgrade.
1:22:33
>> An iPhone cube. How about an iPhone cube
1:22:35
for the 20th anniversary iPhone?
1:22:37
>> What about an iPhone shuffle? No screen,
1:22:39
one button, nothing but calls. calls and
1:22:42
text messages.
1:22:43
>> Just Yeah, I I just take podcasts.
1:22:45
That's it. Just press the button and
1:22:46
plays a different podcast.
1:22:47
>> Have we Have we got anything else or is
1:22:49
this bringing us neatly to the close?
1:22:51
>> I think we're running a bit long, aren't
1:22:53
we?
1:22:53
>> We are running a bit long.
1:22:54
>> It's been a great conversation, but uh
1:22:56
yeah. Uh so this is where I have to say,
1:22:58
you know, please send your questions,
1:23:00
text, or better uh you know, record an
1:23:03
audio or video message and send it to
1:23:05
1:23:07
which I think works now. Maybe. I'm not
1:23:09
100% sure for
1:23:11
Uh, but you know, give it a shot. You
1:23:15
know, even if it's not working, we'll
1:23:16
get to it someday. And, uh, definitely
1:23:20
ask us stuff that you want to say talk
1:23:22
about on on on the air. On the air. Oh
1:23:24
my god. On the podcast. And, uh, yeah, I
1:23:27
think that's a wrap. Uh, Leander would
1:23:30
uh, I don't know, he'd probably smack me
1:23:32
if I didn't say, "Please give us a
1:23:33
fivestar rating or review in Apple
1:23:35
Podcast. Share the podcast with someone
1:23:37
you think would like to listen." Uh,
1:23:40
that's it. Thanks. Thanks for listening.
1:23:42
Thanks for watching. And we'll see you
1:23:44
all next time. Have a great weekend.
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