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Okay, coming up, the date is set. Mark
0:03
your calendars. Apple surprise and shine
0:05
iPhone launch event is set for September
0:08
9th. It promises to provide our first
0:09
glimpse of the iPhone 18 Pro, a new
0:12
folding iPhone, Apple Watch Series 12,
0:14
and maybe more. Plus, new Macs incoming.
0:17
The Mac Mini is the first to receive the
0:19
allnew M6 processor, while the Mac
0:21
Studio gets upgraded with the super fast
0:24
M5 Max and Ultra options. Plus, what can
0:27
we expect from the Apple Watch Series
0:29
12? And finally, I'll show you my
0:32
AirPods charging tip. Welcome to the
0:35
Cold Podcast. I'm your host, Leander
0:36
Kenny. Joining me today are Louis
0:38
Wallace, Graham Bao, and Charlie Surell.
0:40
Hey, guys.
0:41
>> Hello.
0:41
>> Right. Okay. Well, we've got a really
0:43
exciting show this week. My god, what a
0:45
week. What a crazy week. Where did this
0:46
come from? Tuesday. Bang. New Max. No
0:49
one was expect We had a story on the
0:51
site. Oh, expect new Max any, you know,
0:54
in the next coming up. And then you know
0:57
that that story was good for about what
0:58
was it 10 minutes Louis after we
1:00
published it
1:00
>> and and yeah the story the story was
1:02
huge on our site and it was I I think it
1:06
you know it was good literally for like
1:07
an hour and a half or something. I don't
1:09
know maybe not quite that long but I
1:12
mean not quite that short. Uh but yeah I
1:16
was I did not I saw that story uh you
1:18
know when I saw that rumor come out the
1:20
night before I'm like wow you know I
1:22
guess we need to really prepare for
1:23
this. I should have set my alarm, you
1:25
know, for the very next morning. I
1:26
couldn't believe it.
1:27
>> And then, uh, you know, shortly followed
1:29
by, uh, the invites the next day. The
1:31
very next day, invite to the, uh,
1:34
Surprise and Shine launch event for the
1:36
Folding Eye Farm. When's that going up,
1:37
Louis?
1:38
>> Well, September 9th, couple Wednesdays
1:40
away. Uh, 10:00 a.m. Pacific as usual.
1:43
Well, they don't always do it at 10:00
1:45
a.m. Pacific, but I do appreciate it
1:47
when they do. Uh,
1:50
let's see. It's going to be called
1:51
Surprise and Shine. special event at the
1:53
Steve Jobs Theater. Only question in my
1:55
mind is will there be any actual
1:57
surprises? Uh seems like every single
1:59
thing about this is already leaked out.
2:01
Um surely they've got something up their
2:03
sleeve, but uh we'll see. Uh select
2:05
members of the media invited. Of course,
2:06
you know, I looked in my inbox this
2:08
morning and I did not see one. Very
2:10
disappointing. Uh if you haven't seen
2:13
it, invite features Apple logo. Looks
2:16
like an eclipse, a blue sky. Some people
2:18
are talking about the blue as a possible
2:20
iPhone color. Uh Leander had a wild
2:23
theory that the uh the new iPhones are
2:26
actually going to run on iOS.
2:28
>> Wow.
2:29
>> Well, that was about the folding iPhone,
2:31
>> right? Yeah. Yeah. So, uh let's see what
2:34
what do we expect? We expect iPhone 18
2:36
Pro, iPhone 18 Pro Max, new folding
2:40
iPhone, possibly called the iPhone
2:42
Ultra, uh Apple Watch Series 12,
2:45
probably Apple Watch Ultra 4, maybe
2:47
AirPods 5, and possibly a new home hub
2:50
and security camera. we've been waiting
2:51
for forever.
2:53
Uh, as mentioned, you know, we seem to
2:56
know a lot about a lot of these
2:58
products. It's always uh it's always
2:59
weird, man. You get into this zone of
3:01
like, what are they actually going to
3:02
say that's going to, you know, wake us
3:04
up from just, okay, we knew all that.
3:07
Uh, one thing that's going to be
3:08
completely different is John Turnis is
3:10
taking over. He's going to be new Apple
3:12
CEO by then. And, uh, so, you know, I
3:15
thought it'd be interesting. It be it'd
3:16
be wild to have one of these events that
3:18
doesn't have Tim Cook coming out and
3:19
going, "Good morning."
3:22
>> What's Turn I want to know what what's
3:24
Turnis' catchphrase? That's That's the
3:25
biggest surprise of all.
3:26
>> Yeah.
3:26
>> Do you think Lewis they're going to do
3:28
it live? Because the invite says it's at
3:30
the Steve Jobs Theater and I guess they
3:31
could just show a video at the Steve
3:33
Jobs Theater, but I was wondering if
3:35
John Turners wanted to make his mark by
3:37
doing like a Steve Jobs style live
3:39
event. What do you think?
3:41
>> I don't know, man. That's kind of I I
3:43
mean I think I think it would be awesome
3:45
if they did I mean, I know know a lot of
3:46
people like the polish stuff and at
3:48
first we kind of did, you know, like,
3:49
oh, it's really great. They, you know,
3:50
there's no fat. It's just, you know,
3:52
awesome video and, you know, they've had
3:54
these great cinematic intros and and
3:57
segments and things and and those things
3:58
are cool, but uh, you know, they do, uh,
4:02
take away a little bit of that sort of
4:04
intimacy and excitement of like, hey, is
4:05
something going to go wrong or, you
4:07
know, do these people have actual
4:08
charisma? Are they just TV talking
4:10
heads? Uh, so I don't know. I I haven't
4:13
actually seen any speculation about
4:14
that. But I mean it it sounds exactly
4:16
like every announcement they've made
4:17
recently, right? Which is just, hey,
4:19
join us for a special event, you know,
4:21
and probably going to stream it live and
4:22
it's going to they're just probably
4:24
show, you know, basically show a film uh
4:26
at at the event. I don't know. That
4:29
would be that would be a surprise if he
4:30
if he actually uh said, "You know what?
4:32
I'm tired of this canned stuff. Let's go
4:34
let's go live."
4:35
>> I think that would be really cool if he
4:37
wanted to make his mark. If you wanted
4:38
to to ring in the changes while still
4:40
being sort of true to the the brand,
4:43
that would be a good way to do it. I
4:44
think
4:44
>> I I think if I was him, I would not do
4:46
that with my very first one because,
4:50
>> you know, the last thing you need is
4:51
like, oh, Apple CEO uh takes event live
4:54
and you know, folding iPhone cracks on
4:56
stage, you know, I mean,
4:59
>> uh, all kinds of stuff. He's done events
5:01
before, hasn't he? I think he did one in
5:02
New York when they launched the Apple
5:04
Pencil or Apple Pencil 2, I think. And I
5:07
I think Turners was live on stage in New
5:10
York talking to lots of creative
5:11
professionals in maybe Brooklyn in a
5:13
theater somewhere.
5:14
>> Um
5:15
>> yeah, Apple it got form.
5:18
>> I'm I'm not saying he can't do it. I'm
5:19
just saying like, you know, that might
5:21
be a little risky for uh a time when
5:23
Apple is sort of in this, you know,
5:24
people are going, hey, you know, what
5:26
are we going to do? Tim Cook has, you
5:27
know, turned Apple into this trillion
5:30
dollar company over the past 15 years.
5:32
Hey, they hand it over to the new guy
5:33
and the new guy immediately drops the
5:34
ball. I mean, yeah, that would not be
5:36
good for Apple stock,
5:38
>> right?
5:39
>> How many how many new angles on the
5:42
rooftop of like uh Apple Park can they
5:45
possibly find? It's just it feels tired
5:47
and formulaic at this point, doesn't it?
5:49
>> Yeah. I mean, the whole thing to me
5:51
seems a little overpolished. I mean,
5:53
it's uh you know, all of these things
5:55
lately. I mean, honestly, they could
5:56
almost be AI characters standing up
5:59
there saying, "And now time for the
6:01
latest thing, and that's the Apple Watch
6:03
Series 11." You know,
6:04
>> maybe that's what they'll do. And at the
6:06
end, they'll tell you it was all made
6:07
made on an iPhone.
6:10
>> Shot using Apple intelligence. Uh yeah,
6:14
I I know. I I mean, they feel formulaic
6:17
and they are canned and they uh they
6:20
don't give you that, you know? I mean,
6:21
there's something different about
6:22
sitting at your house and watching, you
6:24
know, a a rock and roll, you know, like
6:25
a Metallica concert on on a your giant
6:28
TV. The sound's awesome. You're not
6:30
getting jostled. It's absolutely
6:31
fantastic. Best view you've ever seen in
6:34
your life. Not the same as going to the
6:36
show yourself. Not the same energy.
6:38
>> But what about Metallic on the Apple
6:39
Vision Pro?
6:41
>> Haven't seen it, but I'm guessing still
6:42
not the same energy. Unless, you know,
6:44
you get your uh housemate to jostle you
6:46
once in a while, spill a beer on you.
6:48
That's some beer on you.
6:50
>> I could probably get Suzanne to spill a
6:52
beer on me.
6:54
>> What?
6:54
>> Maybe he'll come out and shoot him
6:56
vision pro. He'll smash it like in um
6:59
office space. That's the end of that.
7:03
>> You think that John Dennis really hates
7:04
the Vision Pro?
7:05
>> That's a rumor, isn't it? That um Yeah,
7:07
he's been killing it. He laid off all
7:09
those people and they've been um you
7:12
know, he's he's put a bullet in its
7:13
head. No more of that. God, did you This
7:16
is really kind of off topic, but San
7:18
Francisco Gate, which is a local news
7:20
website here, they had some headlight,
7:22
you know, like Apple guts its
7:24
engineering staff, you know, and you go
7:25
and you look at it, it's like, you know,
7:27
they got rid of, I don't know, under 200
7:29
people, I think, and it was some people
7:31
working on Siri, some people working on
7:34
uh Vision Pro stuff, you know, and out
7:37
of all of the Apple employees, I mean,
7:38
it was like, you know, a tenth of a
7:40
percent or something, you know, and some
7:41
of these people are like probably I
7:42
mean, I don't know. It's it's a drag
7:44
when anybody loses their job, but you
7:46
know, were were they perhaps working on
7:47
the Siri that uh no longer exists? Were
7:50
they responsible for the Siri that no
7:52
longer exist?
7:52
>> It's weird though cuz I you know,
7:54
usually if you um in a company like
7:56
Apple, I mean, if you have talent uh
7:59
work on Siri, for example, you imagine
8:00
most of those people are going to be AI
8:02
experts and it seems strange to lay them
8:05
off. Well, okay. Maybe maybe that's a
8:08
bit of a maybe that's a bit of a sh, you
8:10
know, a wild assumption, but uh usually,
8:12
you know, uh they they reassign them or
8:14
put them into different projects like
8:15
that. That's I think I believe what
8:17
happened with a lot of the the um the
8:18
car team, the people working on the
8:20
Apple car, they got put onto assigned to
8:22
different roles. So, I was always like
8:24
kind of like Leos, that just sounds
8:26
really strange. But then again, some uh
8:28
I think um who was that analyst? um
8:30
Paris Studio he pointed out that I think
8:32
Apple sees
8:34
several thousand people leave the
8:36
company every year
8:39
>> um and that a lot well you know put this
8:43
percent to open AI
8:44
>> there is a lot of there's a lot of
8:46
turnover for sure and the the other
8:48
thing is if you look at it more closely
8:50
I don't think for example that the
8:51
people that left the vision team were
8:53
working on vision pro or vision OS I
8:55
think they were working on Apple
8:56
immersive video which is a little bit
8:59
>> so I
9:00
For example, if they were in video
9:01
production like and specialists in in in
9:04
that, then Apple didn't necessarily have
9:07
an obvious role to move them into. I
9:09
mean, for sure, if they working on
9:10
Vision OS, they could just as easily
9:12
work on any of the other OSs. But I I
9:14
think these people were making the bit
9:16
that I buy that maybe Apple is not so
9:19
committed to is, you know, those like
9:20
concert for one and elevated and those
9:24
immersive video things. They may be less
9:26
committed. I don't know if there'll be
9:28
another concert for one, for example.
9:30
And I think that it the people that
9:32
they've let go are potentially the teams
9:33
that were making some of that immersive
9:35
video content. And I don't even think it
9:37
necessarily means that they're not going
9:38
to do more immersive video. It's just
9:40
they can contract that out to other
9:43
companies to do. They don't necessarily
9:45
need to have an in-house team to make
9:47
that content. Especially now they've
9:49
established the production pipeline. You
9:52
know, they've now they've now you can go
9:53
out and buy a camera. There's like uh
9:55
that sandwich is it the company that
9:58
does that has its that does like
10:01
immersive video content for video pro.
10:02
They have their own app and they produce
10:04
a lot of immersive content so you can
10:06
get it elsewhere and early on Apple
10:09
could only do it themselves. And um so I
10:12
think now that that's maybe a little bit
10:14
established and there is a a pipeline
10:16
you can buy a camera and make immersive
10:18
video yourself if if you've got a few
10:20
hundred,000 to splash out then uh
10:25
feel the need to have that in house
10:26
anymore.
10:27
>> Yeah. Yeah. Good point. I think that's
10:28
probably exactly what's going on. Uh you
10:30
know they're making a I mean they I
10:32
looked at the gallery the other day and
10:33
there's there's only probably like what
10:35
um I didn't count them but maybe 20
10:37
videos. There's not many. There's not a
10:38
lot of immersive content in in
10:42
>> um and then Apple's in-house team. I
10:44
mean, they made what, four videos in the
10:46
last two years. Um they're almost as
10:49
productive as we are.
10:51
>> God almighty.
10:54
>> I I uh I I bet they definitely think,
10:57
hey, you know what?
10:58
>> We can get some other people to make
11:00
this faster and better, and uh we don't
11:03
need these people on it. I mean, well,
11:05
first off, still, I mean, has anybody
11:08
ever seen a number of how many Vision
11:09
Pros have been sold and and so I mean,
11:11
it's almost like they're making one
11:12
movie per owner. Uh,
11:14
>> I mean, it's in double figures for sure.
11:17
>> So, yeah, I, you know, I I I bet they
11:20
would rather spend money on Apple TV
11:22
content production than having an
11:25
in-house team of people, you know,
11:26
making another close-up uh, you know,
11:29
concert or
11:31
>> Yeah. You What are they doing? I mean,
11:34
if you think about they did like some
11:36
baseball stuff where like you saw it
11:38
weeks after the game or something,
11:40
right? I mean, didn't they
11:42
I I know they've done some other stuff
11:44
recently with live sports and stuff, but
11:45
it seems like there's just been like a
11:47
really tiny amount of content. And I
11:50
mean,
11:51
>> they are now doing the live baseball for
11:53
like Friday Night Baseball. They've got
11:54
like four games coming up live. So,
11:57
there is there's for sure commitment
11:58
there.
11:59
>> But they but they but that goes on Apple
12:00
TV, right? So, I mean
12:02
>> that's on Vision Pro in immersive in
12:04
immersive Apple immersive video.
12:06
>> But don't you figure they just I mean
12:07
isn't it probably all part of the setup
12:09
for the live?
12:10
>> Well, apparently not. Apparently the the
12:12
immersive video Apple immersive video
12:15
broadcast is going to be separate and
12:17
unique with its own presenters.
12:20
>> All right.
12:21
>> It's going to have its own commentators
12:22
and its own sideline reporter.
12:24
>> I I didn't realize that. I I don't pay
12:26
that much attention to any of this
12:27
baseball stuff. You know, it is the
12:28
world's second most boring sport. Uh,
12:32
>> but now that you've said that, Louis, I
12:34
think I'm going to watch it just because
12:35
I might be the only person watching it
12:37
and like it's like they'll be making
12:39
this broadcast just for me.
12:41
>> Yeah. Hey. Hey, Graham. Did you catch
12:43
that one? It was a
12:47
>> They can actually explain baseball to me
12:49
as it's as it's going on,
12:50
>> right?
12:53
>> They'll be explaining like the infield
12:55
fly rule and stuff. Hey, Graham. So, the
12:57
infield fly rule is when
13:01
But one thing I want to ask well I just
13:03
wanted to ask on the invite going back
13:05
going back to the story. Um what about
13:07
the cupology of this I know you're
13:09
making a joke about it but do you not
13:11
think that rise or or surprise and shine
13:14
means anything?
13:15
>> Well surprise s I mean putting surprise
13:17
in the you know when nothing is a
13:19
surprise is is is really um you know
13:22
like going out there. So maybe there
13:24
will genuinely be a surprise. Um, and I
13:28
mean there's talk about the uh HomePod
13:31
mini and what was the other one? Oh,
13:33
well this these new um home products. I
13:36
I I doubt that I mean this is already
13:38
going to be a pretty packed event and I
13:39
mean they could talk about the folding
13:41
iPhone for a good hour at least and then
13:43
they're going to talk about you know the
13:44
iPhone the the Pros and the Pro Mac Max
13:47
the um and the Apple Watch Series 12.
13:49
I'm kind of seriously doubt they're
13:51
going to layer in a whole bunch more
13:52
products. Maybe AirPods cuz they can get
13:54
those over and done within a couple of
13:56
minutes. Um, but you know, new new home
13:59
hub. I doubt that they're probably going
14:00
to de I wouldn't it makes sense for them
14:03
to devote a whole new new a whole event
14:05
to that because it's going to be such a
14:07
big new product category
14:09
>> with AirPods.
14:09
>> I agree. It would be a lot to get
14:12
through. I mean, it would probably be a
14:13
two a two-hour keynote if they if they
14:15
do the home stuff as alongside the the
14:18
new phones. That would be pretty crazy.
14:20
But I had a crazy idea completely. I
14:22
mean this won't happen but what if what
14:25
if the new home hub is like that smart
14:28
lamp you know you remember there was a
14:30
lamp which which was a bit like the Luxo
14:33
>> uh it was like an AI prototype and it
14:36
followed you around the room and lit
14:38
things up and this invite surprise and
14:40
shine and it's obviously like some
14:42
glowing light and so that did make me
14:46
think maybe there is something in this
14:48
it's a light or it could have like a
14:50
ring light around the screen or
14:52
something.
14:54
That's stupid, but I wanted to put it
14:56
out there because I enjoy ketology and I
14:58
enjoy pointless speculation about invite
15:02
designs.
15:03
>> Well, there are a load of clues in that
15:05
in that invite for once, right? This is
15:07
on this, you know, like the the the sky
15:09
blue color that definitely is pitched as
15:11
one of the new colors of the of the
15:13
iPhone 18 Pros. Um the uh you know if
15:19
you squint you can kind of see a crease
15:21
there uh in the sun. That's definitely
15:24
got to be the folding iPhone. Oh, you
15:26
know and it's like it's you know it's
15:28
got definite um liquid glass vibes,
15:30
right? The whole thing kind of the Apple
15:31
logo looks like liquid glass. So that
15:33
means that means iOS.
15:35
>> So that means that the folding iPhone is
15:37
going to run iOS and not iPad OS or some
15:40
weird hybrid.
15:41
>> Yeah.
15:41
>> Right. And what was the other thing,
15:42
Lewis? There was some there was one
15:43
other thing that was uh clearly
15:45
indicated in the invite.
15:47
>> It looks a bit like an eclipse, but I
15:49
might haveclipes on the mine because we
15:50
just had a like a solar eclipse in in
15:53
Spain.
15:54
>> Did you see that?
15:55
>> Yeah, it was a bit of a non-event for us
15:57
because we got 97%
15:59
coverage and turns out that doesn't do
16:02
much.
16:04
>> You need you need 100% for things to go
16:06
dark. It just dimmed a bit.
16:07
>> Yeah, I mean it was a bit weird. It it
16:09
did go dim. I mean, it went quite dim,
16:11
but it was in the evening as well, so it
16:13
was already getting dark, so it wasn't
16:14
that uh
16:16
>> Yeah.
16:16
>> You guys didn't go travel to go see it?
16:18
>> No.
16:20
>> No, it was like it was like 100 km away.
16:22
>> Yeah.
16:23
>> What? That's the hard air thing. I went
16:24
to Texas to see the you know, the one
16:26
here in the States and it was one of the
16:27
most astonishing natural phenomenon I've
16:29
ever seen. It was totally worth it. In
16:31
fact, I was really bummed I didn't get
16:32
to see this one.
16:33
>> 100 km is a long way on a folding bike,
16:35
man.
16:36
>> Exactly.
16:38
That's right.
16:40
You know, German said shining light had
16:41
to do with the supposedable supposedable
16:44
supposed variable aperture on the iPhone
16:48
18 Pro Max.
16:50
>> Yeah.
16:51
>> So, you know, I mean, I think you're
16:52
you're right, uh, Graham. Usually after
16:54
these events, it all kind of makes
16:56
things Yeah. Okay. Well, that's why they
16:57
use that word. That's why they did that.
16:59
Although, I still, you know, to me the
17:01
big thing is, you know, what is the
17:02
surprise? Maybe the maybe they do do the
17:05
home hub and it's like actually way more
17:07
than just a uh you know an iPad you
17:10
attach to your wall. Maybe it's actually
17:12
really cool. Maybe cuz cuz I mean as
17:14
much as we've heard about it you know
17:16
there's been a lot of talk about oh
17:18
Apple big push into home you know but
17:21
those things have not actually leaked
17:23
that much so far. I mean we keep hearing
17:26
rumors that kind of you know don't
17:29
exactly jive with each other. You know,
17:32
timing is weird. You know, I mean,
17:34
supposedly these things were ready a
17:36
long time ago, but they were just
17:37
waiting for Siri to catch up.
17:39
>> Yeah.
17:39
>> Uh, you know, m maybe they say basically
17:43
like, you know, well, I don't know. I
17:45
was going to say maybe they have some
17:47
amazing Siri upgrade that uh is actually
17:49
better than the thing that already
17:50
exists. But I don't think they would do
17:52
that. I don't see how they can do that.
17:54
>> I think there must be something. I mean,
17:56
I don't really have much of a feel for
17:57
what John Turnis is going to be like,
17:59
but it it's just human nature that for
18:02
your first announcement, you want to,
18:04
you know, hit the ground running. And I
18:07
guess you would with everything that we
18:09
know that's coming. Then you could say,
18:10
well, that is hitting the ground running
18:12
because,
18:12
>> yeah, the folding iPhone is is a big
18:14
deal. It it is, but it because as Louis
18:17
said, we've we've been expecting this
18:19
for years for one thing and for another,
18:22
it's maybe a niche product like because
18:24
it's going to be very expensive. Um,
18:27
it's I think it's really cool and I
18:29
might buy one, but it's maybe idiots
18:30
like me that buy it and I I guess
18:33
regular people are probably going to buy
18:34
regular iPhones because why spend twice
18:37
as much as you need to on a phone just
18:38
because you can unfold it. I don't I I I
18:41
think it will be a big a niche a big
18:43
niche but a niche and so is that the wow
18:46
factor and then if you put that aside
18:48
then he's announcing only half the slate
18:51
of iPhones because the main nonpro
18:54
phones you know if rumors are correct
18:57
are being held off until the spring and
18:59
so is that what he wants to is that
19:02
hitting the ground running is that and
19:04
then surprise and shine I think our boy
19:06
Tennis has got something else for us
19:07
>> maybe that's He's going to iPhone 18.
19:11
>> He's going to go back to the old days.
19:12
It's going to be there's going to be no
19:13
other presenters. There's going to be
19:14
just him and he's going to be wearing a
19:15
black turtleneck
19:18
>> and you know he's going to do the whole
19:19
thing on his own. Back to you know back
19:22
to basics.
19:22
>> Is there going to be one more thing?
19:24
>> Yeah.
19:24
>> That would not surprise me. Maybe that's
19:26
the surprise. The one more thing. I was
19:28
thinking about that earlier. Like that
19:30
would be cool if he if he actually was
19:31
able to say, "Oh, and uh there's one
19:34
more thing." and and it was like
19:36
something we haven't heard about at all.
19:38
Wouldn't that be just awesome?
19:41
>> Yeah, I think it could be the home stuff
19:43
because although we we know roughly
19:44
speaking what the home stuff is like we
19:47
but we don't really know why. We don't
19:49
know anything about the story about that
19:51
that that could be a legitimate like
19:53
that's Apple moving into a new product
19:56
category and so that to me feels like a
19:58
a big enough story for Turners to be
20:01
making his mark.
20:01
>> Yeah. I I don't know how much you want
20:03
to talk about this stuff, but I mean,
20:04
who who are these events aimed at? Are
20:05
they aimed at the press or the general
20:08
public? I mean, I I really wonder how
20:11
many people I mean, they they get
20:12
millions of views, you know? I mean,
20:14
does your average iPhone owner who
20:16
doesn't, you know, work at Cult of Mac
20:18
or, you know, read follow this stuff
20:21
really closely? I mean, does the average
20:22
person on the street I bet my wife
20:24
doesn't even know that Apple's working
20:25
on a Homehub because, you know, it's not
20:27
that exciting and it's sort of
20:29
amorphous. Uh, they're working on
20:30
something. And it's coming sometime,
20:31
right? I mean, I bet you if I if you ask
20:34
my wife right now, hey, what iPhone is
20:37
coming out, she wouldn't realize that
20:38
there's no iPhone regular iPhone coming
20:40
out cuz Yeah, I don't really want to
20:42
discuss that with her. It's not that
20:43
exciting and she doesn't read Cult of
20:44
Mac, right? So, uh,
20:47
>> what
20:50
shocked you think about that?
20:52
>> Maybe I can convince her to listen to
20:53
the podcast if I keep talking about her
20:54
behind her back. Uh,
20:57
you know, I mean, who is the audience? I
20:59
bet a lot of people don't know e even
21:01
though we have have been hearing this
21:03
stuff forever and ever. I mean there's
21:04
probably still some people who the idea
21:06
of a folding iPhone is just still like
21:08
kind of oh really I don't heard they
21:10
might be and I know that I know that
21:12
other companies have and whatever and so
21:14
I mean this thing might actually be a
21:16
big surprise to you know 99% of the
21:19
population.
21:20
>> Yeah.
21:20
>> Yeah, for sure. Well, I mean these are
21:22
definitely aimed at the or at least they
21:24
came from you know the press. they they
21:26
were originally designed for the press,
21:28
but then I think they found that you
21:30
know with the with the with the internet
21:31
that that there was a a big general
21:33
audience for it and uh you know and so
21:36
it's it's like it's it's for that that
21:39
you know as we know for publishing cult
21:41
there's a there's a pretty big audience
21:42
of committed Apple fans that are really
21:45
invested in this stuff and and love to
21:47
follow it love to follow the drama of
21:48
the company
21:49
>> develop influencers now I mean I wonder
21:51
how many people in the Steve Jobs the
21:53
you would call journalists versus
21:55
influenc influences that that are in
21:57
that audience. And I mean, I think that
22:00
I don't even know if there is a
22:01
distinction anymore because it's got
22:02
quite mudded, but you you know, like one
22:04
of the things I noticed this week with
22:06
we're going to get on to the story about
22:07
the new Macs. And one of the reasons why
22:10
there was a rumor on Monday that
22:12
incoming Macs were imminent was because
22:14
on Monday, Apple was briefing key
22:16
influencers on the the new Macs. And so
22:20
I think that's how it it got out. And
22:22
then they they put the press release and
22:24
the social media post out on Tuesday,
22:27
but we know that people were seeing it
22:28
on Monday. I know John Gruber got a
22:30
briefing on Monday. Um, and I I think
22:32
you know that increasingly Apple's PR
22:35
have focused on the influencers more I
22:37
think than the journalists.
22:39
>> Sad fact. Yes.
22:41
>> Anyway, that's a good segue. Let's talk
22:42
about the Mac Mini. Huge performance
22:44
boost with the M6 and M5 Pro chips. uh
22:47
like uh this is the the the the Mac Mini
22:51
is the first one the first Mac to
22:52
receive the allnew M6 chip um plus a
22:55
cheaper M5 option uh and it's a big leap
22:58
in performance from the previous Mac
22:59
Mini which was still on the M4. In a
23:01
press release uh Apple's hardware tree
23:03
Johnny Succi noted that minis have
23:05
become popular as a quote always on a
23:07
gentic device. The M6 equipped Mac Mini
23:10
gets a 12 core CPU 12 core GPU up from
23:13
10 cores each in the previous generation
23:15
M4 model. Apple says the new chip
23:17
delivers up to 40% faster CPU
23:19
performance, twice the graphics
23:20
performance um and up to four times the
23:24
AI performance compared to the M4.
23:26
That's that I saw people going losing
23:28
their minds about that. You know, four
23:29
times the AI performance. Um for users
23:32
who need even more power, Apple outfits
23:34
the Mac Mini with the um with an M5 Pro
23:37
processor. The chip can be configured
23:39
with an 18 core CPU, 20 core GPU, and up
23:42
to 64 GB of unified memory. uh and 307
23:47
GB per second of memory bandwidth. Uh
23:50
connectivity got an upgrade, too. Wi-Fi
23:52
6E is upgraded to Wi-Fi 7. Bluetooth 5.3
23:56
to Bluetooth 6. Standard Ethernet now
23:58
starts at 2.5 GB per second, up from 1
24:02
GB per second. G or gigabit, was it
24:04
gigabit Ethernet?
24:05
>> Gigabit.
24:06
>> Plus, it's a first desktop Mac to
24:08
receive gen lock over USBC. first
24:11
introduced by Apple earlier this year on
24:12
the MacBook Pro that I saw people making
24:14
a big deal about that too. Um, but the
24:16
M6 Max Mini now starts at $8.99.
24:21
Um, which I saw some a little bit of a
24:25
little bit of commentary about that on
24:26
the socials. Um, and the M5 Pro model is
24:29
at $16.99.
24:31
Um, which is, you know, that's that's a
24:34
pricey machine. Apple is asking
24:35
customers to pay more than they did for
24:36
the for the for the previous generation.
24:38
I mean, it was $4.99. How was that like
24:40
a year ago? The M499
24:43
>> in the last year.
24:44
>> Good lord. Yeah. Now starting at $8.99
24:47
um for the M6 Mac. Uh pre-orders open
24:50
now and deliveries begin on September
24:53
22nd. So um you know
24:56
>> so they've announced this now, but it's
24:57
probably shipping at the same time as
24:58
the phones, isn't it?
25:00
>> Is it probably later, right? Cuz uh the
25:03
phones probably come out on uh well,
25:05
what would it be?
25:07
>> How am I not looking? They probably come
25:09
out on the 18th.
25:10
>> Depends on the 9th.
25:11
>> Yeah. So, pre-orders will probably be
25:13
11th or 12th and then uh ship date will
25:16
probably be September 18th for the
25:17
phones. Although, you know, there's also
25:19
been rumors that the folding phone won't
25:21
ship for a while. Like, they might
25:22
announce it and then like we're still
25:23
getting it together. But one bit of
25:26
analysis I saw that was interesting was
25:28
that the the mere fact that Apple was
25:30
announcing this now even though they're
25:31
not shipping until after the iPhones
25:34
gives a clue to just how much stuff they
25:36
have to announce in September that they
25:38
they need to get this out of the way.
25:40
Well, September's not really about Macs,
25:43
especially not these kinds of Macs. I
25:45
mean, it's it's the it's the iPhone
25:46
event. That's their always their focus
25:49
though is the iPhone and things that go
25:50
with it like AirPods. So, I think but I
25:54
I agree with you. So, I think they're
25:55
going to have a a ton of stuff, but I,
25:58
you know, announcing the Mac Studio and
26:00
the Mac Mini ahead of time, those are
26:02
kind of like nerd computers. They're not
26:04
really the the iPhone crowd.
26:06
>> Well, that you know that it's what it's
26:07
the it's the bottom and the top at the
26:09
same time, isn't the desktop range. And
26:11
the Mac Mini um although, you know, it
26:13
was funny that the Mac Mini they were
26:14
they were they were they were saying,
26:16
"Oh, this is an AI powerhouse." And oh,
26:18
the Mac Studio, guess what? That also is
26:19
a AI powerhouse.
26:22
Um with the mini the trend with the mini
26:25
is running uh openclaw, right? This idea
26:27
of having an always on AI agent that you
26:31
can maybe uh you can access from
26:34
anywhere to to do stuff on your Mac. And
26:36
I so that that's the trend. I think this
26:39
this is a pretty capable machine for
26:40
running local models, but I I think
26:42
where the Mac Mini became like a cool
26:45
thing for like AI hobbyists was was
26:48
using it to run openclaw. And I I think
26:50
that that's maybe what they were
26:52
referring to that I think in one of the
26:53
press releases, Apple even said this is
26:55
like your perfect always on um you know
26:59
AI assistant. And if you use something
27:01
like Tail Scale, you can you can access
27:03
your Mac Mini from anywhere. So you know
27:06
you could be on the move, you could you
27:08
could be out at a coffee shop or
27:09
somewhere and you could you could
27:10
message uh OpenClaw on your Mac Mini to
27:13
to tell it to do something for you.
27:15
>> Yeah. I mean I think I don't think
27:17
that's particularly useful personally
27:19
but I I know there is a small dedicated
27:22
we might call a scene of people that are
27:24
kind of really into running open core on
27:27
I've never understood automation period
27:29
to be honest I've never things like
27:31
shortcuts it it leaves me cold I don't
27:34
understand why people invest so much
27:35
time in these things they don't seem
27:36
timesaving to me and open floor claw is
27:39
to me the same thing I'm baffled by why
27:42
why people would want to set an AI loose
27:44
on their Mac and how it's actually
27:45
saving them time. But I I totally get,
27:47
you know, these kind of hobby projects
27:49
can be fun. And I think it it's a big
27:52
enough blip that it delivered in Mac
27:54
Mini sales that Apple even mentioned it
27:57
when when they announced the new Mini.
27:59
>> Just on on that subject, Graeme, of not
28:01
liking, not thinking there's any point
28:03
of automation. Uh, don't you have all of
28:07
your lights on HomeKit coming on? You
28:09
know, automated the timing that they
28:10
come on
28:12
>> and uh they change like the scenes
28:14
change throughout the day. Oh, you
28:15
didn't set it up. So, that's okay then.
28:18
>> Well, I agree with you about automation,
28:19
Graeme. Like, I looked at I every now
28:21
and again I like, "Oh, yeah. I'd love to
28:22
automate, you know, my whole life." And
28:23
I go look at it and it's and it's sort
28:25
of they seem to be really mundane
28:26
things. Um, I don't know.
28:28
>> Those are the things you want to
28:29
automate. No, I mean like whenever you
28:32
find yourself doing something like a
28:34
repetitive task, then you think, well, I
28:35
might as well automate this. Then you
28:37
don't have to. For instance, I used to
28:39
have uh well, let's see. Well, the one I
28:42
use most often is I I don't have to use
28:43
because it it kicks off automatically.
28:45
We watch um TV shows on my big iPad and
28:48
whenever I launch Infuse, the app that
28:49
we use for watching things, it uh
28:51
switches off the light behind the sofa,
28:53
which it reflects in the screen, and it
28:55
switches off um the night, what's it
28:58
called? the night shift and the the
28:59
thing that makes the screen go yellow
29:00
that Graeme hates.
29:01
>> Uh so it it turns that off
29:04
>> and sets the sets the uh
29:08
>> um the screen brightness to maximum and
29:10
the volume to the volume I like. So
29:12
that's it. And then when you when you
29:13
and and it only does that it checks
29:15
first to see if it's after sunsets
29:16
because otherwise it it's pointless
29:18
running half of those things. uh just
29:20
and and so I I spent, you know, I 15 20
29:23
minutes setting up a a shortcut for
29:25
that. And now I don't have to, you know,
29:26
tap around and do all of those things
29:28
manually every time. So that's a that's
29:30
a good that's a handy shortcut. And it
29:32
and it usually works.
29:35
>> Usually
29:37
>> Yeah, that's that's the problem.
29:38
>> I'm not going to say anything.
29:40
>> No, it works most of the time. It it
29:42
works when uh when you're not running a
29:44
beta OS. And unfortunately that old iPad
29:47
is my beta. Well, this year not because
29:48
it's it's it's finally
29:50
>> I think a lot of a lot of people that
29:52
play with Apple script and shortcuts and
29:55
automator it's like people that are
29:57
playing with openclaw. I think it's it's
29:58
a a hobby. The the fun thing is
30:02
tinkering around with it. I'm not sure
30:05
how much in in real life these things
30:07
actually help. Um
30:09
>> I think the entire publishing industry
30:11
ran on Apple script and that's one of
30:13
the reasons that you know they're still
30:14
you know I'm sure they're still
30:16
publishing.
30:17
I've worked in the graphic design
30:18
industry for three decades and I never
30:20
came across one workflow that involved
30:22
an Apple script. I think if you worked
30:24
at certain newspapers in the 1990s then
30:26
maybe
30:27
>> Yeah, exactly.
30:28
>> You know,
30:29
>> but you're saying no automation ever is
30:30
is good. And so I'm just giving examples
30:32
of of when automation is extremely used
30:34
and useful.
30:36
>> And I'm saying I've never seen it in the
30:37
wild.
30:39
>> It's my industry.
30:42
>> I can't remember coming across scripts
30:43
either. Um but I should take a look into
30:45
it again. And I know there's a there's a
30:46
there's a several YouTubers and and some
30:48
Apple bloggers as well who've made
30:49
entire careers out of um you know
30:53
talking about it, how to set it up, how
30:54
to use it. Uh in fact um I haven't even
30:58
played around with it. You know now it's
30:59
Siri powered, doesn't it? So that you
31:00
can you can just tell it what you want
31:01
and it'll set up a a shortcut for you
31:04
which but then I could never really sort
31:05
of think of a use case where I need it.
31:08
That was a problem. I've been trying to
31:10
do this with my fitness app reps and
31:12
sets and I've been looking because Apple
31:14
really wants developers to to support
31:17
Siri AI and all these intents and uh
31:20
system schemas and uh all the donating
31:24
actions and all these different things
31:25
that you can do now and so yeah I've
31:27
been racking my brains to think what
31:29
could you do and all the stuff in my app
31:31
I've exposed it to Siri so you can say
31:33
to Siri oh Siri show me a bench press
31:37
and it can it can search for bench
31:38
address in my app, for example,
31:40
something like that. Um, but the best I
31:42
could ultimately come up with was stuff
31:43
like you give it a shortcut, which is it
31:46
doesn't appear in the shortcuts app. It
31:48
just is something that Siri can access.
31:50
So, you can say, "What's my one rep max
31:53
or bench press and Siri can tell you and
31:56
I've designed a little card so it can
31:58
present it nicely in the Siri UI."
32:00
>> Let's um I I was uh I actually was
32:03
looking for a Mac Mini. I mean, cuz this
32:05
this this machine I'm using is getting
32:07
really long in the tooth. And um I was
32:10
uh trying to find a refurbished Mac
32:11
Mini, and I pointed I shared I shared
32:13
one I saw with with uh with Lewis. It
32:15
was was it it was a 32 GB like an M2 Mac
32:20
Mini refurbished. You'll never guess how
32:22
much uh it was going for on eBay.
32:24
$10,000.
32:25
>> How much it was listed for.
32:27
>> Yeah,
32:29
I couldn't believe it. But even so,
32:31
>> going anywhere.
32:34
Uh, this is definitely an outlier, but
32:36
um, you know, cuz I was looking I was
32:38
searching for like, uh, refurbished M4
32:39
models. Most of them two grand and up.
32:42
Um, this is for refurbished, you know,
32:44
not even the new ones. Crazy.
32:46
>> Uh, and um, you know, and and then the
32:49
other ones didn't just seem that that
32:50
good a bargain. Um, I can't remember
32:52
what how much of the M I can't remember
32:53
now what the M41 was going for, but no
32:56
one really had it. Um, it was hard to
32:57
come by. I think like you know that it
32:58
was taken I I can't remember the
33:00
shipping times now but um it you know I
33:03
I'm surprised that they came out with
33:05
this and I think it's going to be I do
33:07
you know any idea Lewis what the ship
33:08
time is now for these? You know, it's
33:11
funny. I was just ticking some boxes to
33:13
see what it uh what it says cuz I mean,
33:15
I got to say I I thought of, you know,
33:17
maybe this is the way to go. Uh since I,
33:20
you know, running an M1 laptop, you
33:22
know, but you know, the thing is once
33:24
you go to 32 GB of RAM and you get a
33:27
decent amount of storage, it ends up
33:29
being like 1,500 bucks. Let's see. Uh if
33:33
you were going to do this and you were
33:34
going to say, "Okay, yeah, just buy it
33:36
outright." Let's see. Uh says, "Now
33:39
order now. pickup in store Tuesday,
33:41
September 22nd.
33:43
>> Huh, that's pretty cool.
33:45
>> Free on Tuesday. Yeah. So, at least with
33:47
the, you know, that's the M6 model with
33:51
uh, you know, mid-range storage and
33:54
maximum RAM. So, who knows? Maybe the
33:56
more I'm guessing people who are really
33:58
way into this AI stuff are not wanting
34:01
that one. They're wanting the Pro, the
34:03
M5 Pro model. But uh
34:05
>> well I know that the Mac Studio um the
34:08
256 GB I think has now slipped into
34:12
early November.
34:14
>> H
34:15
>> so that that is or maybe it's late
34:18
November. It's it's taking you know
34:19
that's a that that's that one's um you
34:22
know popular. Let's talk about that.
34:24
Charlie, why don't you tell us about the
34:25
Mac Studio which has been upgraded with
34:27
the the M5 Max and M5.
34:29
>> Yeah, just just to say about the the the
34:31
the ship date slipping already. I think
34:33
a lot of people were waiting for because
34:35
now it's obvious that the Mac Studio is
34:36
the Mac Pros replacement and you're not
34:38
going to you know we're not going to be
34:39
well it's it's official now. So I think
34:42
a lot of people were waiting for this
34:43
and then you know they they were just
34:46
going to get whatever the next one was
34:47
whatever the next upgrade will be and
34:49
that's the time I'm going to buy. So I
34:50
think probably there's a lot of pentup
34:51
demand waiting for that for this model.
34:53
And it's a it's a nice one. I mean,
34:55
pretty much everything you say about the
34:56
the Mac Mini is here, but more uh
35:00
>> I know. Am I Am I going to read through
35:01
all of the the specs? Do we want that?
35:03
Or let's just hit some highlights, shall
35:04
we? So, the the unified memory um up to
35:08
128 GB of unified memory and memory
35:10
bandwidth up to 640
35:13
614 GB a second. Oh, yeah. Let's say the
35:16
uh the chips, of course, that's the most
35:18
important part. Apple, they've updated
35:19
that with um M5 Max and the new M5
35:22
Ultra. So, the M5 Ultra is only in in
35:25
this computer at the moment, and it's
35:27
their most powerful Mac ever, they say.
35:29
Surprise, surprise. It looks the same as
35:31
the old one. Uh, the let's see, let's
35:34
The M5 Max has got 18 core CPU up to a
35:38
40 core GPU and memory and bandwidth. As
35:40
we just as I already said, the M5 Ultra
35:43
36 core CPU, 80 core GPU, 512 GB of
35:47
unified memory, and 1.2 ter uh terabytes
35:50
a second memory bandwidth. So, uh,
35:53
insane. In, uh, in our notes here, we,
35:56
it said, which I don't really want to
35:57
read because it says it's about AI,
35:58
enough to run extremely large AI models
36:00
locally. Jolly good.
36:02
>> I wrote that specially for you, Charlie.
36:05
>> Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. The Apple claims
36:07
that the M5 Ultra delivers up to 4.3
36:10
times the AI performance, 1.8 times
36:12
graphics performance, and 1.3 times CPU
36:15
of the uh previous M3 Ultra. Um, let's
36:19
see. the same uh Wi-Fi and Bluetooth as
36:22
the Mini. And then it can drive as many
36:25
as eight displays, which is absolutely
36:27
nuts. I mean, eight displays. Can you
36:29
imagine? And I mean, I guess if you're
36:30
like a a James Bond villain, that's
36:32
handy. And then prices, it starts at uh
36:34
$24.99. M5 Ultra starts at 50 uh $5,499.
36:39
And the Ultra, so yeah, that makes the
36:41
Ultra uh 1,500 bucks more than the M3
36:43
Ultra Mac Studio uh before previous
36:46
price increases, the recent price
36:48
increases. So yeah, you can order now.
36:50
Deliveries beginning September 22nd.
36:52
Same as the
36:54
>> not according to Leander like push back
36:56
to Did you say November?
36:57
>> Not. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, in theory
37:00
delivery is beginning then. I don't
37:01
know. What do you think? It's fast.
37:02
>> I think the Ultra is really exciting
37:04
because that's a um that's a long long
37:08
time coming, isn't it? To have a like a
37:10
quad core uh Apple silicon Mac. Didn't
37:13
they try to or there was rumors they
37:15
were going to do that with M1? you know,
37:17
they had the dual core and someone saw
37:19
there was like an edge connector on the
37:21
side where you could maybe fuse it with
37:23
another dual core to produce the inter
37:26
was coming, but it never transpired and
37:28
we finally now have a quad core Mac.
37:31
>> Yeah, it seems that like over the years
37:32
they've been sort of chipping away at
37:35
this. So that pun, but quite good. Uh
37:39
and um yeah, they they there's there's
37:42
been a rumor in the background of
37:43
exactly like using the interosers and
37:45
putting several chips together uh in and
37:48
you know obviously it's because of the
37:50
the architecture of these with the the
37:52
unified memory um and everything else on
37:55
the chip and very very close to the the
37:57
CPU. It's you know you can't just kind
37:59
of uh you know it's not like making a
38:01
GPU and you just make it bigger and
38:02
bigger and bigger and keep adding uh you
38:04
know keep adding sections to it. Um,
38:07
yeah. So, it is interesting. It's going
38:08
to be very interesting to see what it
38:10
actually looks like in there. How
38:11
they've how they've done that. How
38:12
they've joined those chips together if
38:14
or if that's how they've done it or if
38:16
this is just one huge die. Although, I
38:18
guess it would be even more expensive
38:19
than that. In that case,
38:20
>> I think it is two cuz they they they
38:22
have two cores on a single die and then
38:25
the Ultra is two of those double dyes
38:28
connected together. Um, I don't know how
38:30
they know that, but I don't know if
38:32
Apple said that, but that seems to be
38:33
>> they did. Yeah, it's a four die chip.
38:36
>> Yeah,
38:37
>> quad die.
38:38
>> Quad die.
38:39
>> There there was a great story on Culter
38:41
Mac about this uh on who it was actually
38:43
for. And and I I find this interesting
38:46
because for most of us mere mortals,
38:49
there's sort of diminishing returns to
38:50
adding more and more um cores, you know,
38:54
and there's there's many cores and many
38:56
GPUs and and there's only certain apps
38:59
and certain situations where you can
39:00
actually take advantage of that as a
39:02
developer and in an app. And um so I I
39:07
think one of the reasons maybe that
39:08
Apple had canned the the quad core
39:11
before was because they couldn't really
39:12
see much use to it. And one of the
39:14
reasons they've now sort of dusted off
39:16
that idea and are shipping it this year
39:19
is because AI has a use for it. you
39:23
know, before that when they're talking
39:24
about stuff like results for Blender and
39:27
and so forth in in terms of ray tracing
39:30
or whatever, I mean,
39:32
there's limited things that can actually
39:35
take advantage of many many cores and
39:37
many many GPUs. Um, and AI is is one of
39:40
those things. And so I I I think uh I I
39:43
thought it was it was a good article
39:45
because it it basically said for, you
39:47
know, if you're a pro, like as in a
39:49
creative professional, then you probably
39:51
don't need an ultra. you probably just
39:52
need a Pro, which is why it's called a
39:54
Pro. And, you know, I think that that's
39:56
true that this is it's remarkable that
39:59
Apple has made this ultra. And I think
40:00
there are some people um who are going
40:03
to get good use out of the 18,000 bucks
40:05
that they drop on this with the fully
40:08
tricked out um memory. But and it it to
40:11
me what's interesting actually is that
40:12
Apple is interested in that because you
40:14
know if you go back 20 years they were
40:16
making XServe and Xerve Raid and they
40:18
were thinking about Macs running these
40:21
sort of enterprise type solutions and
40:23
I'm not sure if it was the Apple press
40:24
release or someone else that was talking
40:26
about this a an IT guy at a hospital was
40:30
talking about how he could use uh one of
40:34
these ultras um with patient data on uh
40:39
using an AI I model because of like
40:41
compliance reasons and privacy he can't
40:43
upload patient data to you know GPT or
40:47
claude um but this will enable him to do
40:50
lots of analytics of patient data
40:53
running a local model and I guess if
40:55
you're if you're a hospital like a
40:57
gigantic enterprise like that 18,000
41:00
bucks for that is is maybe money well
41:03
spent but we were doing the number
41:05
crunching on on this and just thinking
41:07
about our usage myself and my partner
41:10
work use lots of VIP coding and could we
41:14
save money by buying uh an M5 Ultra uh
41:18
Mac studio rather than subscribing to uh
41:21
codeex and I think this has been much
41:25
commented and our math arrived at the
41:27
same conclusion it would take about 4
41:29
years or more before we would have paid
41:32
off the 80,000
41:33
>> what you're not thinking of is the money
41:34
you'd save on heating bills
41:38
>> which Of course, there's a prime concern
41:39
in Barcelona, isn't it? Yeah.
41:41
>> Not yet.
41:42
>> We'll spend even more on air con.
41:45
>> Yeah. I thought it's funny. I saw I saw
41:47
loads like during the week you I saw
41:49
this this complete, you know, cycle of
41:52
people getting super excited. Oh my god,
41:55
I could run my own, you know, Frontier
41:57
model um on one of these ultras. I'm
41:59
going to order an $18,000 machine. And
42:02
then today, I saw a whole bunch of
42:04
tweets about, oh, I canceled it. I
42:06
finally did the math. Um, you know, I'm
42:08
paying 200 now for a, you know, for for
42:10
for Fable 5 and um, this, you know, I'm
42:14
it's going to take me 17 years before I
42:18
see any kind of savings um, by doing
42:20
this. But the the the and I was sort of,
42:23
you know, I was really intrigued about
42:24
this because I all week I've been
42:25
looking at all these tweets and all
42:26
these um social media posts about and I
42:28
tried to get hold of some AI experts
42:30
like you know what a lot of people were
42:33
saying that you know this is amazing now
42:34
because you can hook four of these
42:36
together and you can run um you know a a
42:40
data center um model on uh on a cluster
42:44
of four studios. Um and and it kind of
42:48
begs the question, well, you know, who
42:49
wants to do that and why do they want to
42:50
do that? But then there was that story
42:52
earlier this week about, you know, this
42:54
new open AI um integration, which we
42:56
talked about last week with messages. Um
42:59
you can now hook it up to messages. And
43:02
there's this one privacy expert that I
43:03
follow who's who's saying that, you
43:05
know, this is really a serious security
43:06
breach. You've got endto-end encryption
43:08
in in messages. And as soon as you hook
43:12
it up to an LLM, it it's meaningless.
43:15
you know that that encryption because
43:17
it's it's got access to that entire
43:19
archive and all the people that um
43:22
you've been corresponding with you
43:23
didn't ask their permission to expose
43:26
this to um open AI and now it's living
43:29
on open AI servers and it's unencrypted
43:32
it's you know it it's if law enforcement
43:34
or any other agency wants access to this
43:37
it's you know it's uh you you don't have
43:40
as many protections as you as you used
43:42
to and and the idea of you know
43:44
encrypted messaging is sort meaningless
43:45
if you're going to open up the archive
43:47
to to these um to these LLMs. But of
43:50
course, if you run your own LLM, you
43:52
preserve that privacy.
43:54
>> Yeah.
43:55
>> And I think this is going to be
43:56
increasingly
43:57
um you know, look at health data and um
44:01
financial data. There's all kinds of
44:03
scenarios, aren't there, where um you're
44:06
going to be wanting to run your own
44:08
private LLM. And I and I think
44:10
increasingly this is going to become,
44:11
you know, this is this is the the
44:13
allure, isn't it, for these machines to
44:15
to be able to do that and for a lot of
44:16
enterprises too. I mean, there's been a
44:18
whole discussion this whole summer about
44:20
um enterprises opening up their data to
44:23
um these companies and they're training
44:25
their models on this extremely valuable
44:28
um uh
44:31
uh you know, business data, how to run a
44:33
business, and all they're doing is is
44:34
they're giving it away to Open AI and to
44:36
anthropic. Um, this is why Google bought
44:39
up um all those email messages from that
44:42
um uh bankrupted airline. Did you hear
44:45
about that? They spent millions of
44:46
dollars to um uh to to to get the data
44:50
from like I think it was 20 years worth
44:52
of data, emails, Slack messages, what
44:54
have you um from a from some bankrupted
44:57
airline and um this is to train their
45:01
their AI anyway. So any you know it's
45:03
it's an issue I think isn't obviously
45:05
you know I think some companies um the
45:06
the guy that runs Palanteer that evil
45:08
little gnome Alex Karp he he's been
45:11
warning hasn't he for a long time that
45:13
um that companies working with these
45:15
they're entering into a devil's bargain
45:16
uh with working with these AI companies
45:18
because they're giving away the crown
45:19
jewels they're giving away the
45:21
intelligence about how companies work
45:23
training these LLMs and what are they on
45:25
their data which is extremely valuable
45:27
at the end of it they're going to get
45:28
screwed anyway
45:30
>> this is why I think it's these are
45:32
important. I thought and you know and
45:34
people are talking about like uh uh now
45:37
with with the 512 GB models I'm sorry um
45:42
there was some go back to go back to the
45:43
chip the uh with the quad die
45:46
architecture that you've got 256 GB of
45:48
unified memory now there was a
45:50
possibility that you could get one
45:51
terabyte with the M7 models which will
45:53
be coming next year which would be
45:55
really insane one terabyte of unified
45:58
memory if you um with a quad die
46:01
>> you have to take out a mortgage
46:02
architecture for a chip. Huh?
46:03
>> You have to take out a mortgage to buy
46:05
that.
46:05
>> Oh, yeah. Well, some of people noted
46:07
that, you know, you could the 256
46:09
gigabyte machines, you can easily buy a
46:11
car, you know, a Kia, one a nice Kia
46:14
costs less than it does to buy one of
46:16
these Mac Studios. I think if you look
46:17
at their price and you compare it to
46:20
Nvidia, um what's interesting is like
46:23
those high-end uh Mac Studio M5 Ultras,
46:26
they're not quite up to Nvidia's
46:29
standards in terms of the memory
46:30
throughput, but they're they're at the
46:32
table now, and the price is competitive.
46:36
And I would never have imagined a couple
46:37
of years ago that Apple would be
46:39
competing with a company like Nvidia on
46:40
AI. And um but but here we are. And so I
46:44
don't know. I think Apple might be
46:46
serious about that and it's weird to see
46:48
Apple getting into a enterprise space
46:50
again after after all these years. So
46:53
there there is that side of it. But I I
46:54
agree Leander. I think the main reason
46:56
for purpose for this is privacy. And I I
46:59
think although
47:01
today this is not something that regular
47:05
people can afford to do regular
47:07
certainly not like a enthusiast prices.
47:09
You wouldn't shell 18,000 unless you was
47:12
totally loaded. You wouldn't shell
47:14
18,000 just for a hobby. Um but I I I
47:17
think that's where it is today. And I I
47:19
I'm sure that Apple is is working on
47:22
miniaturaturizing and bringing the price
47:24
down so that yeah, we can have models
47:27
which are close to or equivalent to
47:29
Frontier models that are running on a on
47:31
a MacBook. I think that's absolutely
47:33
where it where it's heading. And uh so
47:35
it's interesting again when you think
47:36
about this idea of Apple being behind on
47:38
AI and of course in some areas like Siri
47:40
they are but this shows that in other
47:42
areas of like hardware they they
47:45
actually have quite a strong story. And
47:46
I think that was the other reason why
47:48
they really they put a lot of AI sizzle
47:50
into their uh Mac Studio announcement. I
47:54
think because they wanted that that
47:56
sizzle for the the analysts and
47:58
investors and um I think it it worked.
48:00
All the coverage I saw is people were
48:02
lapping that up.
48:03
>> Mhm. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyone sad
48:06
about the Mac Pro? You know, no Mac Pro
48:08
that this is now the, you know, this is
48:09
the model, the Mac Studio. It's although
48:11
I guess, you know, uh because there was
48:14
a lot of resistance, wasn't there, to
48:15
the Mac Studio. It's not very
48:16
upgradable. You can't really um mess
48:18
around with it. Guards, so you can plug
48:20
stuff into it, but the networking on the
48:22
thing is so fast that it doesn't really
48:24
matter. I saw one company, Exolabs, I
48:26
think they were mentioning quite they're
48:28
an AI company that does this um
48:29
interconnect. So you could uh uh connect
48:32
um uh several Mac Minis, Mac Studios
48:35
together to run larger models. Um
48:37
>> yeah, I mean one one thing about the the
48:39
the the Mac Pro was that was that case.
48:42
It's like if you're stuffing all of this
48:43
stuff inside it, I was joking about
48:45
things getting hot earlier, but if
48:46
you're running all of this stuff full
48:47
tilt, that case is got insane cooling
48:50
powers. uh where whereas you know the
48:53
I'm sure the these new Mac Studios are
48:55
good at cooling. But if if you if you're
48:58
going to be uh you know adding extras or
49:01
you know you can add on a Thunderbolt uh
49:04
what is it? Thunderbolt accessories like
49:05
Thunderbolt graphics processors thing
49:07
like this on the outside or whatever it
49:08
is people add uh you know it's better to
49:12
have those inside where they can be
49:13
cooled by that big fan but other than
49:16
that you know
49:17
>> yeah
49:18
it looked cool. It did look cool. I
49:20
think it's sad because it's the end of
49:21
an era, you know, and and there was for
49:24
longtime
49:26
Apple fans, you know, going back to the
49:28
the '9s, like the tower was such a core
49:32
part of Apple's product offering, you
49:35
know, so it's sad to see that there's no
49:37
longer any role for a tower, but I I I
49:39
do see the logic of it, and I'm not sure
49:41
that there is a role for it anymore. And
49:43
I suspect this is one of those things
49:45
like Vision Pro of like they can't keep
49:48
making it if no one's buying it. at some
49:50
point they have to they have to you know
49:52
were we making this just for me
49:54
sentimental reasons or you know and and
49:57
I think that the bottom line is that
49:58
there just weren't enough people buying
50:00
Mac Pros to justify it and it was
50:02
getting embarrassing this thing where
50:04
they would update it every six or seven
50:07
years and then like it would become so
50:09
long in the tooth it just had no place
50:11
to be on the Apple website and I think
50:13
that sort of undermined their
50:14
credibility a bit and so I I think if
50:17
that's what it had become it was right
50:19
to just get rid of it. And I it does
50:22
seem to me that the Mac Studio makes a
50:24
lot more sense um as a form factor. And
50:27
I haven't heard any problems about the
50:29
thermals of the Mac Studio. So the hell
50:32
was that?
50:33
>> I don't Is that your stomach, Leander?
50:35
Are you hungry?
50:36
>> Sounds like somebody dragging a car down
50:38
a street on its rims. That's That's
50:40
going to be Leander's neighborhood then.
50:42
>> Yeah, it's outside my window. I couldn't
50:44
tell where it was coming from for a
50:45
minute cuz I got my AirPods in. But
50:46
yeah, I'm sorry. It's some street noise.
50:49
Behore is a colorful street. There is a
50:53
there is a there's a lot of street
50:54
theater that goes on um outside my
50:56
window. Um it's kind of an industrial
50:59
area. It's and surprisingly busy.
51:01
There's there's a you know that there's
51:03
a lot of people that work here and um
51:05
yeah I recycling.
51:09
>> Yeah.
51:09
>> Oh my god,
51:10
>> it's getting louder. Sorry. Okay, let's
51:12
just move straight.
51:13
>> I've been waiting weeks for this tip.
51:15
Come on.
51:15
>> Okay, this is a lifechanging tip. This
51:18
is good. This is um probably gonna go
51:20
extremely viral. Um let me just switch
51:22
my camera here.
51:24
>> You've been building this tip up for
51:26
three weeks now. Leanda be good. That's
51:28
all I can say.
51:30
>> When I when I disco when I discovered
51:32
this and this is a genuine discovery.
51:34
Like I didn't rip this off from anybody.
51:35
I didn't see this on TikTok. I didn't
51:37
you know that this this is something I
51:38
discovered myself by accident. And and
51:40
and I was like, "Oh my god, I don't
51:41
believe it. This this I wish I'd known
51:43
this years ago." So here it is. Okay,
51:45
look. This is a common situation.
51:47
AirPods and a charging pad and and you
51:50
know this is the area where you charge
51:52
up your your AirPods and how many times
51:55
have you like try to put it down and
51:56
you're hunting around for that sweet
51:58
spot, you know, where it charges up and
52:00
and you can stand here. You can, you
52:02
know, you could do this for 10 minutes
52:03
and the thing will not, you know, find
52:06
this. Oops. Well, there it did. But
52:07
anyway, you know, usually um usually
52:09
you're going like this and you're trying
52:10
to find it. But if you rotate it 90Ā°,
52:14
look at that. Oh, hang on. There you go.
52:17
See,
52:19
it works. It works every time. And
52:22
especially if you're using an older one
52:23
of these, you know, like the older ones,
52:25
um are kind of uh you know, you you you
52:28
have to get it exactly right. And you
52:31
just you just you just turn it 90Ā° and
52:33
bang, it works every single time. It's I
52:36
I I I was so happy when I discovered
52:38
this. I just thought, "Oh my god, this
52:40
is just like the world has to know about
52:42
this."
52:43
So anyway, yeah, there you go. Turn it
52:46
90Ā°.
52:47
>> Now, is this just AirPods charging cases
52:50
or or does this work with Apple watches
52:52
and other things as well?
52:53
>> Well, Apple Watch you never really have
52:54
a problem with, do you? Because it it it
52:56
it goes um I mean, I I could try it. Uh
52:59
I've got my Apple Watch here. Hold on.
53:02
You know, Apple Watch is it's magnetized
53:04
the uh the charger.
53:06
>> Yeah.
53:06
>> So,
53:07
>> so is it is that magnetized with the
53:09
with the AirPods? Does it clip into
53:11
place? No, that's a thing. You see? No,
53:13
they're not.
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>> Okay. Oh, I see you.
53:16
>> Well, there it
53:18
>> Yeah, this one's quite a good charger.
53:19
This this this particular charging um uh
53:22
charger is is a pretty good one. So, I
53:24
don't actually Usually it works and it's
53:26
kind of forgiving.
53:28
>> Well, you see, it doesn't work there.
53:29
You know, you do you have to you have to
53:30
you have to line the darn thing up. So,
53:33
this is 90 degrees.
53:34
>> It's not mag safe. It's just a like a ch
53:38
Oh, okay. cuz I've got an IKEA bedside
53:39
lamp that's got that and I never use it
53:40
cuz nothing ever lines up.
53:42
>> There you go.
53:43
>> You weren't rotating in 90Ā°, Charlie,
53:44
are you?
53:45
>> I'm going to try it. I'm going to try it
53:46
as soon as we finish this.
53:47
>> No, it's not working at all.
53:48
>> Well, yeah, you could always just toss
53:49
it on the uh Apple Watch charger there.
53:52
That's true.
53:52
>> Oh,
53:55
as well. There you go. Lewis wins the
53:59
tip.
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>> Two tips in one. Double tip. You're
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right. It works really great on that
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one.
54:06
>> Super easy. Well, look, it's not working
54:07
there either.
54:08
>> Oh, no. It's not working.
54:09
>> And and and I wanted to apologize for
54:11
the state of my AirPods um case. This is
54:14
fabric dye. Um I dyed my cycling jacket
54:18
cuz it was all sun damaged um with um
54:20
you know, with some dye I picked up at
54:22
Michaels. And of course, now everything
54:24
um is uh is is turned turned a sort of
54:28
shade of gray. And I can't get this off.
54:30
I tried everything. I tried washing it.
54:31
I tried using um alcohol on it. It it it
54:35
uh it's it's permanently been dyed.
54:38
>> So, if anyone listening to or watching
54:40
this knows a tip for cleaning AirPods
54:43
cases, particularly remove fabric dye,
54:46
then please write in a bit of sandpaper
54:48
will do the trick.
54:50
>> What a Yeah, I I did I saw someone do
54:52
that, Charlie. They they sandpapered
54:54
their their case to make give it a matte
54:56
look. It actually look pretty good.
54:57
>> Yeah, I mean, if you do it properly um
54:59
with a fine grade of paper, then it
55:01
Yeah, I Yeah, I don't see why not. Well,
55:04
that's a nice segue to um
55:08
to talking about uh sending us your
55:10
questions and
55:12
um feedback to um
55:16
cultmackpodcast.icloud.com
55:19
um which I finally got access to. So now
55:21
we can actually check to see if you
55:24
have any emails. Well, I was I was
55:27
wondering why we didn't get um you know,
55:28
we weren't delused with questions and
55:30
and uh the fact is that we didn't
55:32
actually have access to this email. Um
55:36
>> the biggest question. Why don't you
55:37
answer my questions?
55:39
>> Yeah.
55:41
>> So now we do. Um so please, yeah,
55:43
culticloud.com.
55:46
All right, I think that's a wrap. Let's
55:47
uh let's wrap it up there. Please give
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watching. We'll see you all next time.
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Have a great weekend, everybody.
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