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New iPad mini is here — but where are the Macs? (CultCast #669)
Mar 11, 2025
This week: has Apple canceled their October Mac event? Are updated M4 Macs still coming this year? Chapters: 0:00 Preshow 5:08 Intro 9:34 Squarespace 10:27 iPad mini (A17 Pro) 30:09 October event? 36:27 “Cheaper” Vision headset 50:37 CultCloth 53:28 More Vision products 1:05:49 Steve Ballmer 1:08:40 Smart home strategy
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they're a little antsy whereas normally they're very good during their podcast recording like you have dog dog friends
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visiting well all his friends are dogs yeah oh really not very good at making human friends but you know dog friends
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so he just invites over dogs from the neighborhood he doesn't even tell their owners he just invites them they just come into my house you know wake up oh
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there's a there's a poodle on the freezer oh well I used to have a cat in my neighborhood that did that this cat
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was like you know seriously majorly obese because he'd probably just go to
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all the different neighbors houses and they would all offer him food but then he would also eat birds and then after a
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while he started bringing the birds to my house and dropping them off on on the floor in front of my DK as little as
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little presents oh we're live but I I live yeah go ahead but I lived in h in
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Athens in the city I was on a like you know my my house was shared a backyard with my neighbors and I was on a first
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name basis with my neighbor's cat but I didn't know my neighbor's name so I would pull into the driveway and I would
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see them on their back deck and I'd wave and say oh hi Phil acknowledging their cat and just you know walk right inside
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the cat was Co Phil yep great cat name that is a good cat name if I ever get a
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new dog I'm gonna name him Brian anybody in particular uh I just
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like that you can give animals human names that are really
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common like Phil or Brian or Jeff Brian's the name of the the dog in Family Guy though oh you're right which
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I've only watched a few episodes of that so yeah I didn't piece that together all right hold on guys we got Nathan theory
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in the chat we got caveman we got Hugo last and Hugo first okay now he's not he's not
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donating me he's not donating to us this episode so now I'm all thrown off Hugo
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he says I'm trying something different perhaps if I don't donate they'll let me on the show yeah we're going to make that we're going to make that happen you
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keep paying up no one has worked it over more than Hugo last that much is certain unfortunately it all went into Lander's
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pocket and then probably go leander's te tea budget for the week yeah well if by
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tea you mean cocaine but that's exactly what I mean 20 20 $20 on cocaine no
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wonder re he's always asleep uh is he I don't know I mean well he's getting old
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you know they nap a lot that that that is true I mean he he did often talk about napping when he was on the show oh
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Hugo last with the with the $25 I wasn't even trying to convince you to
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give us any money but uh Leander appreciates it that much is true hug go
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we're going we're going to have you on man did did you ping me on on the all new X did you reach out to me does this
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time work for you I mean clearly it does you're in the chat the only thing we need to work out is do you have a decent
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microphone we can't have you coming on here with a Lander cany level microphone hey before we go live let's um go ahead
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and send out some tweets shall we uh sounds good there chaps let me go ahead
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and send out the one that's really going to pull them in they're suffering through the talk show and they're we're
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going to be offering them a fres a breath of fresher here we go can you retweet that Griffin that I'm
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gonna have Ed do it okay we got to do something we only have we have two people here
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listening we got to do something to get this chat oh it's because I haven't sent out the toot yet oh yeah that's gonna
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there we go that's the difference that's been done now oh we're up to three terrific we're up 50% it work power of
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the fediverse oh man well you know what with the headline we got I mean look that's
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the best headline that we could come up with because there's just not a ton of news going on this week but we actually have some pretty good stories I think
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and if you like uh home kit and home accessories we got an absolute destroyer
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at the end of the show that I think yall are really going to like uh maybe I
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could give an airpods update I have all sorts of stuff to talk about man I actually do have stuff that we could talk about and not even do the Apple
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news but we got Charlie here so we should probably do some news
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um I think we're ready to go should we go ahead and just jump into it let's do it all
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right let's get it over with let's go ahead and queue up Mrs you know who oh
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Mrs D Mrs D did you see that Charlie is here
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oh yes I sent him an email inviting him to a secret Suare with El KY uh oh
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Charlie I would just go ahead and not answer that email don't even open it actually because sometimes I send I sent
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it to to spam okay good because it has pictures in there of Leander Keeny that you will not be able to un see trust me
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on that one Mrs D no one wants to hear about your escapades with lcy they gross us all out if you don't mind let's just
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go ahead and get this thing rolling we got a lot of Apple news to get through and uh Hugo lass is here he
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already forked over 25 big ones he Demands a good show so let's just let's get this thing rolling for him this one
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is uh is for Hugo last in three hello and welcome to the coasty
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best 30 plus Apple conversation you're going to hear all week long I'm your host air Li joining me today C editor
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editor leis Wallace might break through his door or wall like koid man at any moment to drag him back into the r
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Riders cage Lewis is in Europe right now and uh so that situation is actually
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probable former writer of CAC host of the apple core podcast Charlie cell is
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here good evening good evening I mean good afternoon also with us his upcoming
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Memoir my life on the Run documents his life in hiding and narrow escapes from capture by Cult editor Lewis Wallace who
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is furious that he maintains a residence outside of the culac world headquarters writing cage and guess to eat food
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that's not in the slop trop writer for culac Griffin Jones is
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here not a very long book because I I wrote it on an old Macintosh but which only has a 400k Flo dis drive so short a
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1 Megabyte hard drive yeah who could ever use such space well I figure since Lewis is away
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we can make fun of him extra this week since he didn't tell me he was going anywhere apparently he told you he never
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uttered a word of it to me where is Lewis do we even no uh you have one guess he is in Italy
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you've confirmed this it's the only place that Lewis goes he is obsessed with Italy the guy can't get enough of
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it he goes to Italy every chance he gets well I mean his wife goes to Italy every chance she gets often without Lewis and
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then he has to go and try to join her on vacation because I think like 80% of the
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time she doesn't invite him and then he just tries to go anyway so that's where he is do we know when LS is getting back
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back I think he's actually getting back tomorrow he scheduled his vacations that he would just miss this show yeah
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perfect great and also the last one yeah well look Charlie look that whole thing was in just but I I think that is
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actually a possible scenario for you so just be careful of any unexpected knocks at the door if you see like the tip of a
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hatchet or an axe start breaking through your door make a quick Escape Lewis is not happy that you escaped and I know
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he's nice to you but when you're not here he's he's Furious and and he gets like those weird veins in his forehead
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and his face gets all like red when he talks about it so just be careful and don't let him know what
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country you're in well as long as I'm not in Italy I'm fine man well he might
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swing by wherever you are on the way home just to collect you just up the right he brought an extra suitcase and
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if he chops you up he could probably fit you back in there so just keep that in mind all right look we got all sorts of
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stories to talk about this week do you want to know what we have we got the allnew iPad Mini we'll talk about that I
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actually Charlie's going to talk about it I don't even know all the details because the news is so hot and
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unfortunately it looks like we may not be getting that Apple event that we literally just talked about last week uh
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although we may still be in for the max we'll talk about that we'll talk about the new cheaper version of the Apple
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Vision I want to say Pro but it probably won't be Pro it's just going to be the vision um
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and okay Griffin's going to talk to us about Vision Pros for first immersive 3D
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movie we'll see how that goes and I kind of teased y'all before we went live
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officially um I don't know how many people actually care about this but there was actually a really great take
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by German this week about Apple's new smart home strategy and apparently they
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are just going to go ham with adding new smart devices new home OS software
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Charlie home OS software at some point perhaps but they're really looking to
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drive into the home and sell more devices in the home which I I I personally am excited about because I
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love home gadgetry and Apple has been lagging so hard in that realm and has
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been trying to like make Headway but hasn't really been doing enough to have
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devices that work crossplatform with Google and Amazon and all that stuff so we'll talk about that before we dive in
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you're staring so intently yeah I'm just uh doing a little bit of extra research oh you're just reading the story before
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you have to go and start talking about it it's a real that's a real Pro podcaster too you are like El Katy
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except he didn't even do that he would just literally just show no I'm checking out I'm checking no I'm I'm familiar
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with the with with the MC mini story I'm just checking up on a one particular point which I want to mention all right
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well are you ready because I'm about to toss it your way to talk about the new the allnew iPad Mini okay yeah so well all new all all
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slightly different iPad Mini okay and full price because the iPad Mini 6
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I'm sure is going to go on sale now uh yeah I guess okay so yeah the new
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iPad Mini not 7 the iPad Mini with A7 Pro uh is the new iPad Mini so that's
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after what is it the old one is three years old now September September 2021 that one came out uh so that's three
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years which in iPad many years is uh doesn't is not very much because you
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know Apple tends to just forget about it and then they somebody remembers that they have to make an iPad mini and then
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they come out with a new one somebody remembers it's just it's on someone's checklist and they just see it
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down there one day and they're like oh like like let's just do a spec bump that last one was great that was the one that
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went to the new uh the new design that all the iPads well almost all of the iPads I got now the one without the home button over the thinner bezels uh and
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the square sides and the USBC connector uh the new one is uh
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well it looks exactly the same it's got the same screen even um so and that was probably the worst thing about the the
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old iPad menu I think some people talked about jelly scrolling on there uh where you kind of got a wobbly display that
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some people's eyes could see and some people's couldn't now it is it is possible that the uh A7 pro has like a
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new display controller chip inside it that could fix that we don't know that yet yeah but it's the same panel right or well it's it's if it's not the same
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exact same panel then it's it's definitely not you know uh mini Le or or anything like
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this uh yeah so that's in there that's the same uh it has the same 12 megapixel
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rear camera might even be the same one although it does have some new sof features that could be software uh I think has a new I can't remember new
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processing something something I forgotten that part that's right this is the codcast they're not expecting actual
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information yeah they don't care uh and it has uh let's so the new okay so
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what's new I guess is probably a shorter list is the a the a17 pro chip uh as opposed to the a15 which is the chip
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that was used in the um uh the iPhone 15 Pro correct that's
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right yes and that was a what what I was just looking up and and didn't find was
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uh that this chip was a weird chip it was on a kind of an orphaned process uh
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from uh TSM which uh makes you know makes most of
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apples chips and it was uh I think a three nanometer process
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something like this I that's not really the point it was their first three nanometer process and they had a they had a pretty poor yield which is why
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they switched very quickly like within a year to the new 3 nanometer process and which is why I would have probably told
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you a week ago yeah all of the updated products that we're going to see are probably going to be a18 going forward
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which is very surprising why it's on the A7 Pro like some people are speculating
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maybe because of that lower yield Apple just has so many like slightly binned A7 Pros after making the iPhones for a year
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that they just have enough to fill all of the iPad Minis and they don't actually have to make any more chips
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that's that's an interesting theory that well that could be the case because it also this uh this chip the this version
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of the chip has got one less core in it than the the iPhone one I think is it
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Graphics core one one less Graphics core uh maybe or maybe it's CPU core uh but
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yeah it's so it could have been a bined chip exactly they could literally have been throwing them in a bin and keeping
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it and thinking until they you know until Tim Cook's like uh his weekly go
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around and you know try and get the money out of um apples down the back of Apple sofa cushions shaking uh checking
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his jacket pockets from last year because he needs the cash oh but it does unfortunately mean like the side effect
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that you know this is a this is an iPad Mini that's jumping 3 years in time like it hasn't been updated in 3 years but
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it's only getting two years worth of processor upgrades like it's not it's not a three-year jumping chip processing
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power like I guess on on the one hand the iPad Mini is not something you buy because it's powerful you buy it because
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it's you know uh and it's yeah it's and it fits you know you can put it in a back pocket of a big a baggy pair of
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jeans I have one I have the not um the current one well current until this one comes out out next Wednesday uh and I
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and I like it it's you know I've got a popsocket on the back and I can just you know well it's cuz then I can read it in
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bed with one hand oh god oh you have a popsocket on it yeah I put a popsocket
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on the back of it those work on those yeah it works really well I'll go grab a second when I'm not talking yeah I'm not
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even going to I'm not even going to follow your previous statement yeah good thanks yeah yeah I'm just going let that
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be yeah it's just you did that yourself but yeah yeah well you when you're when I'm reading in bed you know like with a
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with the Cobo or the Kindle yeah you lie down on your you know and you could put a cushion on your chest and just put the
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thing up there and with one hand it's easy to just read where is the popsocket on the back is it like center or is it
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like bottom left you know on the third or it's shall I just uh yeah sure sure
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why not I just grab it it's around me somewhere hold on oh it's right there
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okay there can you see that hold it up a little bit let me oh no we can see it but we're not showing we're not on your
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video this is no you're not showing my video but I'll describe okay so it's in the center but
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probably what would you say like onethird of the way up I would say ex
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below the Apple so it's yeah you can see about half of the Apple logo now picking out the top of the PO that's a really
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great idea Charlie I have to admit yeah it pains me to give you that credit but yeah yeah so you can do it with either
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with with either hand and it works sideways too so that would probably also work with a normal iPad then probably
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not the iPad Pro cuz it's a bit too heavy but yeah the yeah I mean it might work with the iPad Pro the iPad Pro has
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super strong magnets in it yeah I
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know this is uh this is uh this is doesn't magnetize on the back this is just stuck on oh it's not magnetized no it's just a
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t they have popsockets that just stick to your iPad that's how popsockets worked before mag safe yeah yeah the mag
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safe one is new I never I guess I never really thought about that I didn't even know how long popsockets had been around
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so people would literally stick a popsocket to their phone it's like glued on mostly yeah and and then how did you
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get it off well you just you just kind of carefully pull it stick a like a
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guitar pick under the side or something so was it like an actual adhesive or did it use like the power of suction or
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something no it's an adhesive but it's a this kind that um once it comes back off
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again clean okay and you can if if you put the you know the grease prooof the bit of plastic over the top you can use
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it a few times interesting I like the mag safe ones are I think obviously Superior and super grippy I mean those
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mag they even say like popsocket even says that they recommend that you attach it to a case and not directly to the
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device I think because there actually is a potential to damage your device like the magnet the magnetism is so strong it
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would suck the screen through the back of you pull it off and just there's a hole in your in your
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iPad that you can't put a case on it like so I have the you know the folio case which sticks to the back yeah
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covers the front you can't use a case but I never take it well you know it's just a little thing you can always
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unless you bore a circular hole in the back of your case oh now you're thinking this is why we have him on Charlie he
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thinks that's actually not a bad idea yeah great idea uh I feel like that
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broke your mind like do you feel like that's gonna you're gonna employ a strategy like that on your iPads I might
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although I like having a case on my iPad so probably not and I think one of the
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one of the downsides of the popsocket is it's either that or another accessory
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that would be highly useful and it's the same reason that I don't use a popsocket on my look at that look at that iPhone
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guys just blacked out Edition um I I tried using a popsocket but I also use
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the mag safe wallet which is way more I just think functional
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useful than the popsocket and you can't use both at the same time plus I have
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this other really great mag safe stand which I use all the time which just
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holds my phone which I love so when you use the popsocket it eliminates a whole
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ecosystem of other cool mag saafe accessories that you can use so for me I just kind of gave up on it but it is an
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interesting idea for the iPad especially if you use your iPad nude which I don't I have a case I have like the smartfolio
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case on there so like I couldn't but if the smartfolio had a MAG safe back I
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would actually consider using a popsocket because it does make holding your iPad way easier sometimes when I
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had an iPad at at work I I had like sort of a knockoff version of a smartfolio
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case that was like a full plastic hard shell back but with Apple's style like you know folio on top of that and
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sometimes I would find myself like Folding It Up in a triangle even when I was holding it in my hands just because I had like an area to grip on from the
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side that's a good idea oh sorry go ahead Charlie no I was gonna say the same
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thing that's a good idea people are clowning on me for having the bumper case and the wallet on my phone and
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they're saying that it's too thick well first of all your mom's too thick but when it comes to the phone it actually
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makes it a lot easier to hold the phone I mean first of all the bumper case
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absolute necessity in my mind because I know myself I am going to drop this phone mhm
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and ding it up and so the bumper protects it from that plus I just think it's a beautiful case like it just
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allows you to enjoy the natural beauty of your phone while still having protection I'm a fan of bumpers what phone is that this is the iPhone 16 Pro
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okay and then the Rhino Shield crash guard case which so far I absolutely love but it is a little thick for sure
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it does add a lot of extra bolt because the rim of the bumper has to extend far enough on the back of the phone that it
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protects the enormous you know comically huge bulbous camera lenses that protrude
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from the back of the phone but when you add the wallet on there what I like about the wallet is it actually makes
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the phone easier to grip and hold and not drop so yes it does it make it heavier yes but how much space am I
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saving over having an additional wallet like how how big is your wallet I bet
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you it's huge I bet you it's ridiculously huge I bet you need to go to the chiropractor and you don't even know it cuz you keep it in your back
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pocket and when you sit your butt cheeks sit at a 45° angle cuz there's way too much stuff in your wallet I don't have
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that problem because I have this super Sleek thin wallet that I just keep
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attached to the back of my iPhone and it just now only occupies one pocket instead of two I me to that I'll say
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that like people who think that they need to carry everything in their pockets you know I I think would have a
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hard time adjusting to the Apple mag safe wallet because if you if you already think you need to carry
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everything that you're already in the wrong head space for the mag safe wallet touche and let's see here you could just
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put your phone inside the wallet yeah that might legitimately be easier for some people in some of the
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wall Char Charlie take it to the next level you just need you need a wall it's even bigger so that you keep your phone
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in there exactly which solves the same problem if you think about it it's kind of the same two wallets one for the one
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two wallets so expand into two wallets have one in each back pocket and then you then you don't uh trouble your spine
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oh boy are you ready for this no no you buy two trifold wallets because they expand and they're really big and then
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you just put one wallet on one half of your iPhone and another wallet on the other half and now you have a case and
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you only have to carry that one pocket you're welcome I imagine this could go to the next level if you have a
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folding phone as well that folds in the same places well you could snap it in half and put one half in each of Von's
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wallets I had even considered that now that is a true stri of Genius I'm going to work on that later and I have app so
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I could just get it replaced yeah I guess two more things on the iPad we might as well mention you're R all the fun all right
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fine dad take it away it's ports Apple intelligence and but more interestingly it now says iPad Mini on the back not
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just iPad well isn't that cute as if you didn't know they should do that with the
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color so you know what so you know what color it is none of not all of those colors are exactly the same oh come on
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now I like these colors actually I think these are beautiful colors sure you might like them but you can't tell them
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apart well I think I could I mean the thing actual different colors okay
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Charlie showed us his iPad I cannot remember what color it was is it even a color no I got the white one it's it's
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like space white or something or but you know what the fact that you had like a slightly blue light that's reflecting a little bit and that was enough to
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confuse me to think that maybe you had a blue one says everything you need to know these These are barely even Colors
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oh well that's particularly true about desert titanium I mean you you really cannot tell what color that phone is go
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in there and Depend and depending on what angle you hold it it will it will reflect light in such a way that you actually can't tell what Charlie is
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what's the difference between desert titanium and uh Starlight I would say desert titanium is
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actually less gold than Starlight it it it is almost white and if you hold it at
25:52
the right angle it actually does look white the only difference is the perimeter of the phone the band actually
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does look gold it looks a darker gold than it Starlight does and the little circles around the camera um lenses are
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gold as well it's a very I can't believe you actually know I didn't think you'd have an answer for this but you an in
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depth I actually went to the Apple Store because I kept looking at photos of the
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dang uh desert titanium phone and every photo I saw looked different and I was
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agonizing over which color I wanted because for the 18th year in a row we get no interesting colors for the pro
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phones and so I actually considered getting the desert titanium and I
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couldn't tell so I actually went into the store and looked because if it was going to be dark like an actual bronze I
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was going to buy it but I went in there and the colors that or the web images that you see that show the phone as kind
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of being white are actually what it looks like in person so yeah I think it might as well have been called Starlite
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if not for the fact that Starlite doesn't fit in for their naming convention alongside black titanium blue titanium great like natural titanium
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like Starlight would be the odd one out there if it doesn't have a something titanium name but aside from that it is
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basically Starlight like I was also hoping for like a a nice Brown phone no it's just slightly Golder white I was
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hoping for Zoom brown but yeah I was thinking oh they should make a zoom Brown case for it I'd buy that I might
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consider that hey one last thing I wanted to mention just real fast I think that maybe the bigger story here because
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450 for the iPad Mini I I just think that's a steep price 499 no uh is it four I thought it was
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449 let's see here in the in the show notes it say $499 but it could be oh oh oh oh oh they raised the price no it's
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the same price it's always been $4.99 I don't know it is it always been 4499
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well I mean for a long time the first one since the last one yeah okay because I just went and looked on Apple site for
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the refurbished version and they were saying that the the retail price of the last version of the mini was
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$4.49 okay so I think I think they actually did raise the price $50 that might have been the price on the
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refurbished store yeah they doubled the ram as well uh doubled the not the ram we don't know about the ram yet but they
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probably have increased that but no they've doubled the storage they have double the storage I I think maybe that's the difference here so they did
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raise the price I think the 64 gigabyte version was the base version before and now it's 128 but they're also raising
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the price by $50 I think that's what happened here um because the refurbed iPad Mini 6 which I was just going to
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say like that might be the player right get the referb version because now it's 379 on Apple's website and if you know
28:37
anyone who works for Apple they can get you 15% off that price which really makes it a good value but it's only 64
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gigabytes and dude 64 gigabytes on an iPad is really not enough I mean it's
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basically just enough to browse the web you're not going to be able to store very much on so that kind of actually
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kills the value in my opinion it's like dude 644 gigs now you're probably wondering well what's the next um what's
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the next size up it's 256 at least I think I don't think they have a 128 no I
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got I got the 256 and I wouldn't have bought that if there had been a 128 so it must which is why they do that those
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SC yeah but now it's now that it's 128 to go in and uh but still and then 256
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and 512 with the other options yeah t TC knows how to extract every every ounce
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of profit out of us he's a master the May he's a money he's a money vampire
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he's he's a money vampire that is true he'll get you once he once he gets you
29:38
he just drains you of all your loose change and your hard currency and possibly your Investments and so on so
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forth okay we talked about this way too long where are we going next is it me yeah yeah I've completely lost my you
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want me to I feel like I've barely said anything Charlie it's true you you're you're kind of a bit of a shrinking
29:59
Wallflower sometimes I think that I should probably speak up for myself you know and maybe participate in the
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conversation yep nobody else is going to do it for you no one else is going to do it for me okay so let me just do this real fast you might all be
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wondering what's going on with the max are we getting an Apple event or not and
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now that we have this iPad released people are and and we're you know past mid October it seems like we may not
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actually get a impress event but we may still get Max I'm going to just start reading from the story here so I don't
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miss anything uh why I just said this the M4 Max are expected to release soon but it
30:39
turns out we may not get an Apple event for these which would mean that they're more of a spec bump which to be honest I'm okay with as long as we get them we
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got the iPad mini7 with a press release obviously which we just spoke about for 45 minutes which probably should have
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been a six minute story but I blame Charlie for that there was a lot of wallet wallet talk in there as well
30:58
which actually I I feel like was the best part of that segment if I'm being honest yeah Age and and I think I feel
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like Griffin cut us off right when we were really getting to the good stuff he hates wallets I he really doesn't like
31:08
wallets there's something about Griffin and wallets we have Griffin's war on wallets we have to do a off topic about
31:13
that Griffin we need to sit you down and have that conversation okay um
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so are the only details details here that Apple mate forgo the event yeah it
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it seems like that's just it so we could still get an end up October event it's not too late but we would need to know I
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think probably let's see what's the DAT today's the 17th if we don't know by I
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don't know Monday or Tuesday wouldn't you guys say then that basically means we're not having an events at least not in October unless they push it to
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November which also wouldn't shock me okay well I you're skipping over the interesting part which is which is what
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I I I called this out in the in the in in this uh show notes here yeah a lot of the things that we're expecting are spec
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bumps except the mech mini the Mac Mini is getting its first new design you know
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in in in a very long time I think it would be highly unusual for Apple not to
32:08
you know have an event to show off a brand new design of this brand new computer like it's very rare that Apple doesn't have an event when they have
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like something truly new to show off and expound the virtues of um it's also Al
32:20
although we've seen the M4 before like this would also be the first time that we're seeing the M4 Pro and the M4 Max
32:26
and when they have like something truly special there it's it's kind of rare that they wouldn't show that off and I think we're expecting these to be big
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chip upgrades with the enhanced process so I think they still have enough to
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have an event do you because I was thinking the exact opposite I was like if it's now I know you have a deep love
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of the Mac Mini but yeah as as does everybody it's America's favorite
32:49
computer I think you made that up but I think it might be strange British guys
32:57
favorite computer computer and also a several people here in the US but I if I had to if I had to guess I would say
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this the sales number on the mini are terribly anemic and which is one of the reasons why they don't update it that
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often now that's just my opinion um using facts and logic but you're welcome last year they didn't even have a Mac
33:14
Mini and they still had an event it was just like you know 25 minutes oh was it that short last year
33:20
okay because I I mean I guess I was thinking like they really don't have enough here to have a full event and and I could I know this is going to pain you
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to hear I actually think that they could just do a release on the website with a with a
33:32
press up with a press release and just show new pictures and talk about the specs of the Mac Mini and just leave it
33:38
at that I don't think they actually need to have a press event or a actual Apple
33:43
event to talk about the Mac Mini because what is it it's a new design which is cool it's going to be a spec bump maybe
33:50
a big one some New Ports and that's it like you could literally call that stuff out on a website and if they don't have
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a huge array of products to release especially if the MacBook Pro is basically just going to get a spec bump
34:04
and a new color I really do think that they could just do this I agree with Griffin that it's if there is a if
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there's anything worth talking about it's the it's the it's the Mac Mini because the the MacBooks the MacBook
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Pros you know it's just it is just a chip upgrade but the if the many changing size it depends if if they have
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the differences between uh uh an event well they're recorded now so it's not
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like they have to invite anyone so there's a bit of a lower barrier but the difference between that and just a press release is that with an event Apple gets
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to kind of tell a story about the new product and you know place it in the in their lineup and in the world uh like
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the classic one of those was when they introduced the iPad and you know Steve Jobs was spent the whole time sitting
34:50
back in an armchair and really kind of pushed the point home that this was
34:55
a a computer for sitting back in your arm yeah uh I love that event because
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he's just like sitting there he's like oh look at this look at this for just like an hour with his iPad but it yeah and that's kind of what
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the iPad is really really good for uh but then yeah so if they've got some
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kind of story to tell about why this new thing is special this why the Mini Mac
35:18
mini mini is you know is different than the other one apart from just being small than an event but otherwise I mean
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just do a press for all right well time will tell if we don't have an invite to a Apple event I
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think by early next week I think it's pretty safe to say like 80% chance like
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we're going to just get a press release and that will be the end of it but who
35:45
knows Apple sometimes does unpredictable things I still think that we are going to get new Maxs before the end of the year which I think is the important part
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of the story and I know our whole audience is gonna g to go out and get the new Mac Mini as soon as
35:59
it comes out with it running the A7 Pro chip you know it's going to be so
36:05
incredibly powerful how could you turn that down I'm just joking I think it'll be better than that
36:11
yeah I I expect it to have like the M4 which will be a crazy cool machine well let me ask you this Griffin
36:18
you gonna buy it I'll buy it for a review but I'm I'm perfectly happy with my M2 Pro yeah okay
36:26
all right so we move on to a topic that's even more
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obscure Apple's cheaper Vision headset Vision head let me just let me
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just point out that this is just a great picture of you Griffin wherein that this Vision Pro look how happy he is wearing
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that that was in I think a review of the um like top I no it was it was in it was
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in how I'm using my Vision Pro article when I was talking about like the top head strap and I buried that really far down like a thousand words in but that
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image was just in the media library and just found it and surf surfaced it for all of us which I I'm I'm truly grateful
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for they really uh sets your hair off yeah yeah yeah just flares up behind it
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like a peacock yeah yeah like a like a peacock all
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right exactly like okay so yeah um Mark Gman again uh he saying that there's
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apples working on a cheaper Vision headset and that it will cost well
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cheaper uh a low end apparently and it's going to cost around $2,000 and probably use
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an inferior processor and cheaper materials well I don't know okay I've got something to say about that but
37:38
let's go through what the diff yeah let's go through what the differences are well okay yeah I'll come to that two
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grand okay is there really any difference between three and a half thousand and 2,000 when it comes to I
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mean obviously there's a difference but two grand is still way too much for just
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somebody to just buy this thing it's it puts it at the same kind of level as you know it's the same kind of people are going to
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spend uh you know I don't know I don't think it's going to open up to a bigger
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Market yeah it'll be like an order of magnitude more people but maybe like twice as many people but you know twice
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as many of 400,000 is still only 800,000 and that's still under a million if that though because I mean it's too Grand but
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then uh when we go further down we're going to see it's going to drop eyesight which is the uh the screen on the front
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that shows creepy ghost eyes theis yeah ex I think that's an obvious one uh and yeah I think so um but if
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that's gone uh I don't know that they that's going to disappear so it's just going to
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be a VR headset really at this point it's going to look like all of the other VR headsets and then apparently also
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it's going to use a lower resolution OLED display inside and probably the most amazing thing about about the
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Vision Pro is those displays I wrote um we did a uh I wrote iFixit tear down
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blog post and we went we spent a few days just like ripping the thing apart and well actually put that in the show
39:10
notes can we I'll give you the link for that yeah and these screens are just
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incredible uh the resolution of them the technology of them and you know sticking
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in a couple of cheap small oleds I I don't know it seems weird I I think for
39:27
something like this to work because it's an accessory really it's an accessory product it's not you're not going to buy one of these instead of your Mac or
39:33
instead of your phone uh you know because that's where you're still going to do or your iPad that's where you're going to do your Computing stuff I mean
39:38
a lot of people just use a phone for their Computing stuff these days but you're not going to do that with this
39:45
headset it's for it's an accessory and until and it's going to be like that for
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years and years yet uh so it's got to be it's got to be an accessory price it's
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got to come down to be under a ,000 for to really like pick up any kind of sales
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I think I speculation that maybe instead of like lowering the actual resolution
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of the headset they would as a way of making them cheaper make the displays bigger and then put them further back so
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that they don't have to be such the insane pixel density and that would drive down the price a little bit without significantly affecting the
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specs how far away can you put them I mean yeah that's well if you don't have
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the eyesight display on the outside then you have extra width I mean extra depth to play with that's
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true yeah I guess but you know I'll say something controversial I would want to
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oh go ahead no you go ahead Griffin I'll follow up your standard I really don't
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think you would want it to be any lower resolution than it already is I think it's it's pretty high resolution and it's about as and it's higher resolution
40:52
than any other of the crummy VR headsets but those are crummy VR headsets you know I
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I think that like the Vision Pro is honestly maybe only like one technological Leap Forward away from
41:04
being like as high resolution as it ever needs to be like you know go give give
41:10
it another like retina level Revolution on top of what the Vision Pro already has and it's like that's perfect doesn't
41:16
need any more changes anymore yeah I totally agree and I think that's um you might be right about that
41:22
I think that's an interesting observation I was just going to say I I don't think they can make it any worse and that's not to say that it's bad but
41:29
I I think it's passable right now in some situations it's actually really good but that was one of the surprising
41:35
features of the Vision Pro was that its screens after all the hype that we heard
41:41
were not as good as I was expecting them to be even though they're probably Cutting Edge they still weren't as clear
41:46
and as Crisp And as colorful and as vibrant as I was expecting them to be and in its current form I would I would
41:55
not even spend $2,000 on the Vision Pro like if they sold the Vision Pro for 2,000 I still would not buy it like
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maybe 1,200 I might buy it and that's not to say it's a bad product I just mean for me personally it's just not
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delivering any value it's not doing anything that I really feel like I miss
42:14
to be honest with you and it's cumbersome with the battery in your pocket it's heavy there's just a lot of
42:20
things about it that make it a product that I don't want to use on a regular basis and so for for me that that
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severely diminishes how much I would pay for it and if they if they dro the quality if they dropped the price of
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2,000 but dropped the quality then I would have zero interest in it because now it's not even going to be as good of
42:38
an experience as division Pro which is already not the best experience in my opinion so app in is isn't a real pickle
42:46
that's a phrase that we use here in the US Charlie it means that they got a problem on their hands yeah we say that
42:52
too oh do you but does yours invol an actual pickle okay yeah we
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we swim no it's yeah it's an Old English tradition once a year we we swim in
43:02
pickle pickle day okay I thought you were going to try and claim ownership over that phrase like oh the British
43:10
invented it you know I think we stole pickle from India no I think pickle comes uh from like Chutney and things
43:15
like this maybe I see but the term the term like we're in a real pickle to
43:21
indicate you got a problem on your hands I think that might be uniquely American well did uh did the Americans press
43:27
India with uh with the American Empire or was it the British that did it with the British Empire I I don't know can we
43:32
get back to the pro here okay okay well if you're going to try claiming pickle I'm I'm GNA have to I'm not claiming the
43:38
actual pickle food product I'm just being the phrase you're in a pickle my
43:43
friend my mother used to say it did she is she from America no had she been to
43:49
America at some point never does she watch American TV she want yeah I think
43:55
she used to watch Dallas there you go she probably heard it on Dallas that is something that they would
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probably say on on Dallas before Jr got shot so if I
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may wearing a pickle roll credits yeah should I just start the music maybe I should we only have a half an hour left
44:14
by the way and I have no idea how we're goingon to get through all the rest all the rest of this um apple is in a real
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pickle because they have a product that's not popular and now they have to figure out how to make it cheaper which
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is going to diminish the experience which is probably not going to resonate with people who are considering buying
44:32
it CU now that the experience won't be great and they already don't want to buy it so I I think the only way out is
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innovation to your point Griffin like they're going to have to figure out how to make it some kind of leap better so
44:45
that people actually are interested in it again and and that developers actually want to make apps for it again it it's kind of a I don't want to say
44:51
it's a dead product because I don't think that Apple's going to abandon it but they
44:57
they I hope they have a really long road map where they knew that it was going to be unpopular for quite a quite a length
45:05
of time and they were going to have to just stick with it and keep making it better and let it become better and
45:10
better and better slowly over time yeah Charlie I think think it okay if you look at the the popular
45:16
products Apple stuff's always been expensive but if you look at the the iPod that was expensive when it came out
45:22
I I I paid like four 399 or 400 pound or something for my my iPod when it came
45:28
out ridiculously expensive but amazing and they sold like hot cakes that's
45:33
another saying we have and uh I think I heard that on Dallas but carry on yeah yeah that was
45:40
Dynasty and uh it was H yeah Alexis's Hot Cakes it was made her money I never
45:46
never watched that show but please continue um and then you have the so that but yeah it had a k it had a killer
45:52
use it was you you you know thousand songs in your pocket it was obvious it was music all of music on the go and it
45:58
looked cool then the iPhone that was uh you know it was a phone but it was also
46:04
the internet on a phone you know proper proper internet
46:09
uh so what does the Vision Pro do what's its obvious I mean it does a bunch of
46:16
stuff that's cool but there's not really anything it's like that everybody's like oh I've got to have that yeah people had
46:22
to have the iPod they had to have the the you know the iPhone and then you know the the Samsung knockoffs that everybody has that
46:29
now uh so yeah I think that it doesn't really have anything I think that's what
46:35
Apple needs to work on or the watch as well even the watch you know that was they were in a bit of a pickle at the
46:41
beginning with the with the watch they didn't know quite what they were doing but that that clearly uh had people saw
46:47
it and knew what they wanted so they were you know people buying it for health tracking or well for that mostly
46:53
right yeah so yeah I think that they I don't think that the technology is going to be the fix here unless it's go it's
46:58
so good that they become a pair of glasses and then that's a different product because this is a VR headset and the glasses are the glasses you can you
47:04
can put them on a timeline but that's the same as saying that the phone is the same as the original Mac you know yeah it's a computer all in one
47:12
computer but it's completely different right so and I'd say that AR glasses are
47:17
completely different from a VR headset in terms of what you can do with it so I I just don't see this product going
47:23
anywhere ever I think you nailed it and I was going to say the exact same thing which I know is how you're on the right
47:28
track they and Apple's own industrial design team at least according to the rumors made this exact argument it's a
47:35
it's it's a product in search of a solution like it's really cool technology but what does it actually do for you that you want to do and that's
47:42
the question that they have not been able to answer I think they they were hoping to release it and get it in developers hands that maybe someone
47:48
would figure that out for them which has hasn't happened yet now I do think that there are some really cool use cases for
47:54
it sorry I don't mean to relitigate the entire Vision Pro I feel like we've had these conversations in the past I'll I'll stop but like the ability to have
48:01
floating windows when you're doing things around your house and have that superimposed over like the pass through
48:06
video actually is a killer feature I have to say like it's super cool I mean it is super I mean it's amazing
48:12
technology wise the whole thing is is very impressive but it's not something that everyone wants to go and people
48:19
just don't want to buy them well not $4,000 no exactly yeah like for me
48:24
personally like working in the Vision Pro is a great uh you know thing that I can do for productivity and you know because I work
48:31
remotely you know kind of technically self-employed buffer callon ma like you know self-motivation is like a a big
48:38
central part of my job but what other people do is they just get real jobs rather than $500 on a headset do have
48:45
those do have those that's true and I do think that there's a lot of potential to have this be used in like creative
48:51
spaces and stuff I there's definitely like I I really hope that apple is committed to the Long Haul they they
48:56
spent all this money to develop this thing over years and years and years so I think that that's probably where
49:02
they're at I just hope that it is and they're not like well didn't sell time to abandon it like they did with the like the Apple Hi-Fi or
49:08
something uh because I do think that the premise here is really good and if they
49:14
make it lighter they make it cheaper and they make the screens better I could see people wearing these all over the place
49:19
all the time because it really is that cool to have the ability to have windows open and super imposed over like your
49:25
real life you know life experience that you're having but it's just in its current form it's just not practical now
49:31
hold on we got Hugo last with another $4.99 Super Chat he's up to $25 just this episode he says how much do I have
49:37
to pay to see Charlie's popsocket perhaps a different platform
49:43
might be appropriate well you're on only fans right yeah exactly that's what I was gonna say you can check my only fans
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yeah all popsockets all day long that's all you show off that's all they show
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wow you if you post it on madon then I'll then I'll put that in the show notes as well yeah okay oh yeah do that
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later maybe you could take I won't take my phone out now because when I did that at the end of last week's episode it
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tried to steal the uh video camera and I my all of my whole setup sto working so
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I'll post that later we got to convince Charlie's Show's face do you have doing it do do do you have like legal
50:21
authorities that are looking for you is is there a reason specific reason you've seen Deadpool right yeah
50:27
oh yeah okay it's like that enough enough said okay let's see here where we going next about what Vision Pro
50:33
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Vision Pro related Hardware that apple is actually working on uh so this is at the bottom of the last story but um
53:42
following the cheaper Vision headset Apple will reportedly launch the second gen Vision Pro headset with a more
53:47
powerful processor in 2026 this isn't expected to be like a wildly different Design This is just GNA be a spec bump I
53:53
think from like M2 to or M2 to M4 or possibly M5 whatever they have at the time um that's probably one that I'll
54:02
sit out on I think I'm more interested in you know like a brand new designer you know more new stuff in it uh but
54:09
that's not all that they have in the pipeline they have some weird stuff in their Labs as well Apple reportedly
54:15
wants to repurpose some of the technology that went into its Vision Pro headset for simpler products that includes a pair of smart glasses plus
54:22
airpods with ir cameras these could launch in 27 with additions to the
54:28
vision headset line coming before then as we spoke about late last year meta and Rayban teamed up to introduce the
54:34
first smart glasses to get any kind of traction these include cameras and built-in AI apple is reportedly working
54:40
on something similar I've heard a lot of people like Rave about these like meta Rayband glasses I have no idea what they
54:48
do or what they're for like is it literally just cameras and that's it I don't know what they do either playing
54:53
music I but I hear a lot of people talking about these and so kidding I guess that's yeah yeah take pictures
55:00
maybe yeah I guess so okay I'm gonna look I'm gonna look it up a lot of people are likeing about these things
55:05
but um yeah they're quite popular are they actually popular popular enough that they keep
55:11
coming out with uh new versions of them okay I mean they do I mean they do just
55:16
look like slightly chunky Ray bands even the first first set was not too bad it had thick arms but well I think the arms
55:23
have a special name don't they The Meta SM glasses is is that the okay yep all right looking it up right now well they
55:31
came they recently came out with a like a concept thing so don't get it mixed up with those because they really are dorville these things look like proper R
55:38
regular Ray bands okay noted so back to the story here
55:44
into 2027 the team is considering launching smart glasses on pair with the meta Ray bands the idea is to salvage
55:51
the billions of dollars spent on the fish okay that seems like bit of negative phrasing from Mark here the idea is to salvage the billions of
55:57
dollarss spent on the vision Pro's visual intelligence technology which can scan the environment around a user and Supply useful data Mark Gman said uh
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rumors of Apple working on smart glasses heavily circulated in the years before the launch of the Vision Pro headset last winter Bloomberg's report based on
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information leaking from Apple also mentions airpods with cameras while this initially sounds ridiculous analyst Ming
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said these will be infrared cameras not meant for taking pictures instead the cameras could be used to add gesture
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controls the wear of the wireless earbuds could start or stop music playback by waving one of their hands
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for example and airpods with ir cameras might work in cooperation with a cheaper
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Vision headset also supposedly on Apple's drawing board which will launch next year
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possibly what do we I I think the idea of Outsourcing some of the expensive
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parts of the Vision Pro to airpods like that could be an interesting strategy
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like the thing about uh meta's Orion glasses which Charlie alluded to is that like it's kind of like a a glasses sized
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thing that you wear on your face I mean they are big chunky thick glasses that no one would ever really want to wear
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but they are you know glasses whereas A Vision Pro as a headset but they have like this separate compute Puck thing
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that's like a phone siiz thing that it communicates wirelessly with that offboard some of the logic that would
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otherwise be too bulky to fit into glass and they have this uh like wristband
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thing like you know kind of Apple watch sized wristband thing that you wear on your wrist and he uses that for gesture
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tracking kind of like how the Apple watch has like the double tap gesture rather than fill the front of it with
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cameras that it can just watch what your hands are doing all the time so with ir
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sensors inside earbuds Apple might be working towards a similar thing what do
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you what do you two think well I think it's an interesting idea and if the Rayband glasses are popular
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then Apple can come in make it easier to use so I'm looking at the Rayband glasses and they do exactly what you
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would think they that that they that they do they take video they take photos
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and you can listen to music on them now I can only imagine how horrendous the video probably is because it's like
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shaking all around I mean it's hard enough to hold a camera still and when you're taking video shaky video is the
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video killer like no one is trying to watch your shaky video and with all your little head movements and stuff it would
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be really hard to take I think video that you would actually want to watch yeah but Apple's uh Apple's video is
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really good at smoothing smoothing out though well that's that's true like apple could probably actually make this
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work I think um uh a GoPro could also probably make this work although I don't know if people want to buy glasses from
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GoPro like gopro's stability um image image
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stabilization is like you know the gold standard it is unbelievable how good it
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is and I think that Apple can easily copy what they do because I think they're just using gyro information to like Smooth look what the Vision Pro
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already does it doesn't when I'm walking around with play Vision Pro I don't feel like the world around me is like jittering because that would just
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instantly give you a headache that's true and and the video from The Vision Pro are actually quite good as well so
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they don't look like they're all shaky with little micro movements from your head moving all around so Apple that's
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what I'm saying like apple could take a product like this and actually make it work well and seamlessly with
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all the devices where you would want to have the media cuz I think probably one of the pains in the RS is pulling the media off this like onto your computer
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onto your iPhone or whatever because like this is just not what Rayband does but Apple could perfect this and if they
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could sell this for like $300 or $400 and it's already popular I could actually see apple doing this you could
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use it to take video for to watch on your you know special video to watch on your Vision Pro you can also do that
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yeah right so there's another use case that no one wants to do but I'm think like maybe it maybe it's a little more
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computery than the Met array bands and you know probably more expensive but what if it's like you know what if it
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replaces some of like the Apple watch notification functionality so it's it's basically like you have an invisible Apple watch in front of your face you
1:00:14
don't have to wear the dorky thing on your on your wrist if you don't like the look of the Apple watch but you can like you know silently see the notifications
1:00:21
coming in and you know do a little bit of action on them although you don't have like you know full app experiences
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or I could read them in your ear you know like uh how the Vision Pro has a little speaker yeah yeah do the uh sorry
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go ahead Charlie I was gonna say something else I was gonna say about the the popularity of these uh of these things of the of the meta Ray bands uh
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are you do you know the work of um Johanna Stern she's at the Wall Street Journal she does amazing videos now
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she's been reviewing like stuff since forever and she says that she uses them
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all the time the meta Ray bands she wears them a lot cuz she I mean obviously she's like a a Big Nerd Like
1:00:59
Us so she's going to like and she's really into gadgets but she uses it when
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she takes a dog out when she takes a kid out uh to you know so when she's playing with a kid she can still take videos
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without having to you know pull her phone out you think about it this and you know then she's got it does it's like when
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phone cameras first came out they weren't that great but you always had it and you know Instagram was a big deal
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even though we were taking terrible pictures we just put filters on them so you know that could work I don't know
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about the thing is though if they become popular and everyone's going to have cameras on their faces and that's going to be a whole privacy problem which
1:01:39
apple is really going to have to deal with because they're not going to get away with it everybody expects that from Facebook Apple's kind of uh you know in
1:01:48
a in a bit of a pickle they're in a pickle which apparently according to
1:01:54
Wesley from the chat originated from Shakespeare who clearly watched Dallas Dallas yeah so that's
1:02:02
that's where he got all of those plot lines from I mean there were a lot of similarities that's all I'm saying that's all I'm saying shot Hamlet yeah I
1:02:10
should reach out to see if they'll send me some of these to review I actually think the more we talk about these the more I think they're an interesting product they do kind of remind me of
1:02:16
like Google Glass V2 um in that people could take video and photos with with Google Glass like the productivity
1:02:23
aspect of Google Google Glass I don't think um was something that people actually really cared about but it was
1:02:28
more just like being able to like capture media and stuff but I could definitely see apple doing something
1:02:33
like this and and just streamlining it making it easier and doing their own version that actually has really great image quality and video quality and
1:02:40
blendist or seems Blend or uh seams um Blends seamlessly is what I'm trying
1:02:47
to say with your iPad and mac and and stuff and plus dude just rayb bands oh
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my goodness just I don't know what it is about Ray bands
1:02:59
but they are just such beautiful sunglasses true true there's just something about the acetate they use for
1:03:05
the frames and the colors they choose like they have great industrial designers I think they are manufactured
1:03:11
at the luxotica plant in Italy I think that's where all of them come from even still there's a whole interesting story
1:03:17
behind rayb bounds and actually luxotica for that matter um who make like all the glasses in the entire world and the
1:03:23
sunglasses and stuff unless you get yours from the one other thing I wanted to just just
1:03:28
um mention real quick poor Anker poor Anker they were they were ahead of their
1:03:35
time they released some sunglasses called The Anchor well technically they call them the soundcore frames I
1:03:42
reviewed these on the show they sent these to me and I was like these are going to be so lame and I they were a
1:03:49
Smash Hit in my opinion and they discontinued them unfortunately cuz no one bought them but they were really
1:03:54
super high quality glasses and they came in a variety of designs and you would just buy like the front part and then
1:04:00
the technology lived in the stems and you could swap the stems out with any different front sunglasses that you
1:04:06
wanted that they sold and they had all these really beautiful designs like they actually made really good sunglasses and
1:04:13
then the stems would connect to your iPhone via Bluetooth and you could play music and I use those things even now
1:04:19
they're still one of my favorite pairs of sunglasses and you could use them just to play ethereal audio when you're
1:04:24
just out and about when you don't want to have like your ear pods in your ears and then you also get them paired with like a great pair of sunglasses they
1:04:30
were really a good product and apparently they didn't sell and maybe that's because they were missing like
1:04:36
the camera functionality which would have been an overkill for the anchor frames but most people aren't going to
1:04:42
like stick a you know take their arms off their glasses and put new ones on I
1:04:47
mean that's kind of a that's kind of a hassle night people just want well you don't have to do that I mean once you
1:04:53
get them set up the way that you like them you never need to that again I understand but it's a kind of a barrier
1:04:59
like we're happy to do it again but like if you think about the the less nerdy people in your life are they going to do
1:05:07
that like take apart like replace the arms on their like essentially modding their sunglasses oh well no no no so
1:05:14
it's a complete system so your existing sunglasses do not work with the the anchor frames in any way shape or form
1:05:20
so they sell the stems and then they also sell the front parts and you can buy them as a set so like when you buy
1:05:25
them they come as a full pair of sunglasses but if you want to swap out the fronts for like a different design they also sell
1:05:31
Replacements so understand I I don't think that normal people would do what you just said but um
1:05:38
anyway what other stories are we on to I I I've completely lost my space my place
1:05:44
you can skip to your smart home story if you want yeah let's just do that because we we got to wrap up um and actually
1:05:50
there is one other thing I wanted to bring up here which was just brought to my attention y all know that I'm a huge
1:05:57
fan of Steve bomber well where is Steve bomber what's he doing these days no one knows he bought the clippers didn't he
1:06:04
the LA Clippers so he's been doing that he's been going absolutely bullistic on
1:06:10
the court cheering for the Clippers well guess what Steve bomber the bomb dog he's backing in the best way possible I
1:06:16
don't know if he owns this YouTube channel or if he's just making or if he's just doing like guest hosting Steve
1:06:23
bomber the bomb dog everyone's favorite enthusiastic former ex CEO the sweatiest
1:06:30
man in teeken basketball he has a YouTube channel where he does videos
1:06:36
called just the facts interesting title and like the first one that they did so
1:06:43
this is like a a completely obscure channel it's called USA facts and until they got bomb dog on
1:06:50
here their videos were well no one watched them you know maybe a thousand views someone over
1:06:58
there at USA fact had the genius idea to bring on the bomb dog and the very first
1:07:04
video the video they got with him had 3.1 million views the next he owns that
1:07:09
website like he he's working for that for that company I saw an interview with Steve Balmer recently I don't remember
1:07:16
if it was I think it was oh yeah it was he he went on John Stewart's show and he was talking about this this new website
1:07:22
that he started okay so maybe this is when he started promoting it or something mhm I mean one of his videos 8.4 million views 8.2 million views 7.6
1:07:30
7.7 I mean he is he's dropping boms
1:07:37
boom and people are loving him thank you I did that on the
1:07:42
Fly uh so if you're if you can't get enough Steve bomber he's here sweating up a storm delivering facts straight to
1:07:50
your Noggin and uh I haven't watched any of these but I'm going to I don't know they
1:07:55
seem like they might be slightly political maybe not he calls them just the facts but anyone who labels their website just the facts tends to have a
1:08:02
political leaning you know what I mean unless about unless it's a website about fax machines well you know I haven't
1:08:10
seen all the videos that are on here but that could be it just just the facts in which case he needs to hire a copy
1:08:16
editor because he spelled it wrong but would that surprise you no it's not his
1:08:21
dick he probably was probably sweating so much he he got in his eyes and he couldn't or his finger slipped when he
1:08:27
was busy typing the title yeah or maybe clippy came in to help that might be it he typed it on his windows phone you
1:08:34
know that's right which is and now just barely Holding On by on his Zoom there we go which he keeps in his on his
1:08:39
person at all times anyway okay that's not what I wanted to talk about great story by Gman this week apple has a new
1:08:46
smart home strategy screens everywhere and boy do I love it uh I'm going to
1:08:51
just read from the article here so I don't miss anything apple is finally preparing to compete for the Smart Home Market after falling behind Amazon and
1:08:57
Google they're finally preparing to compete this has been going on for years and years and
1:09:03
years and years this is hilarious uh let's see here for years Apple Inc has sold the go-to devices for our pockets
1:09:11
but has struggled to achieve any kind of a any kind of success well he says kind of that kind of success in other areas
1:09:18
the car the face the home um apple is Now setting out to conquer the smart
1:09:23
home with an aggressive new strategy putting Apple to screen putting Apple screens and software throughout the house in a way that creates an endtoend
1:09:30
experience over the next two years I expect Home Hardware to be a top priority for Apple the push will include
1:09:37
developing a new home OS operating system and smart display as well as a
1:09:44
higher-end robotic tablet device that's interesting so
1:09:49
homeos hos the renewed effort follows years of mediocre performance in this
1:09:54
category with Amazon and alphabet AKA Google taking the lead boy this pretty
1:10:00
much just sums it up right now one reason Apple has struggled in its focus is um that they work in a closed
1:10:06
ecosystem dude have we not said that on this show a thousand times that is the problem it just does not work people
1:10:12
want all their devices to work with all these other devices especially their phones um remember when you couldn't
1:10:19
stream anything but Apple music to the homepod whose idea was that they should they should be caned by Steve I thinkle
1:10:25
gets mixed up because they think well people already have an iPhone if they want to talk to Siri they'll just ask
1:10:31
their iPhone or they'll just ask their Apple watch or you know people already have a screen they'll just watch things
1:10:37
on their iPad and they just they're just completely blind to the use cases of
1:10:42
like why the you know I don't even what they call it like the Amazon Echo Show I think that's what it's called that is
1:10:48
completely blind to the reasons why that exists or why people like them be right told them um I think it's because Apple
1:10:55
uh Apple's Engineers work are forced to work such long hours and they never go home that they they don't have a chance
1:11:02
to actually do anything at that's right they don't even they don't even know any of the people that are at their home anymore like they get there they're like
1:11:07
who are you the engineers get home and they just immediately collapse until it's 4 am again and time to go to work
1:11:13
you might be right about that let's see here uh it goes on to talk about
1:11:19
artificial intelligence which will help them have a Competitive Edge um and then
1:11:24
he goes on to say there's going to be a focus on the home OS
1:11:30
strategy um that includes the new home OS which will be built on the underpinnings of
1:11:36
tvos um blah blah blah blah blah yeah okay so the takeaway here for me Apple
1:11:44
is going to start releasing a lot more Home Products which I think is really interesting and and it seems as though
1:11:51
they are open to being a more open platform which I think is g to be hugely important I mean they they have
1:11:57
already been making um inroads with um the matter standard which is being
1:12:03
adopted by Amazon and Google which basically means that your Apple devices can control like the huge World an
1:12:11
ecosystem of other matter devices that are out there and they don't have to be like certified for homekit which is the
1:12:17
way they were operating previously like there was literally like a chip they had to buy from Apple and wire into their
1:12:22
Hardware which cost them money which no one did and then Apple eased up and said well
1:12:28
you could just certify via software which they I think they were hoping would make would give them um a higher
1:12:34
adoption rate which I don't know how much that helped it doesn't seem to have helped that much and then now there's
1:12:39
matter and I imagine that matter will help them collaborate with more devices
1:12:45
and and and which is great because like you want to be able to go to Costco and buy like the new cheap accessory that
1:12:52
controls your power outlet and have it work across different devices not just
1:12:58
with apple stuff not just with Google stuff I don't know if you all have noticed you probably have when you see any of these accessories like these home
1:13:04
accessories they always say it works with Google works with Amazon they never say it works with apple they might say it works with Siri but it might have
1:13:12
some limited connection with an Apple device but it's like one specific
1:13:17
scenario that many people probably don't even use and so it seems like apple is
1:13:22
looking to fix that which I'm a huge fan of so I applaud I applaud uh their their
1:13:30
philosophy change here and I do think that Tim Cook should really consider having a live caning in the um in in the
1:13:39
middle of Apple uh park or or what do they call the building again I'm spacing on the name
1:13:46
the donut yeah it's Apple Park the apple donut yeah apple Park yeah you know that
1:13:52
that huge like Park in the middle of the dut they should do it out there and they should probably that's Apple Park Park
1:13:59
Apple Park park and they should probably live stream it so that we can all witness it you know U I mean don't hit
1:14:05
him too many times maybe like five is enough but whoever developed that strategy should probably be punished six
1:14:11
times one for each color he has he has like a red a red cane an orange cane a yellow cane right six is traditional as
1:14:18
well six of the best we C it in uh in school okay six is the best number of
1:14:24
things I'm okay it was called you would be given that was the name of the punishment six you would be given six of the best go to see the head Master for
1:14:31
six of the best you get six six wax with a king or actually I had a a head master
1:14:38
who this was some years ago who' uh flown um planes in during the second
1:14:45
world war and he was now head master and he was extremely strict as you'd imagine wow and he had a he had a cricket bat uh
1:14:52
that he like on the wall and it was there I don't know if he ever actually use it to hit kids with but that was the
1:14:58
threat that was the looming threat that it was a possibility the the britishism that I
1:15:04
learned from watching Doctor Who the as the phrase goes we in for a jolly good smacked bottom
1:15:12
yeah I like that I might take it all right well here's where the ceremonies
1:15:18
will take place right underneath the rainbow just just a suggestion Tim it's
1:15:23
a good way to keep your staff the Lady Gaga rainbow stage fun trivia fact for you is it already yeah they they built
1:15:30
that they built that stage for for a Lady Gaga concert and they just kept it they like it so much that's cool
1:15:37
natureful okay look do we have anything else I don't think so I'm calling it right there what time
1:15:44
is it there Charlie uh 2222 oh dear me what does that mean 1022
1:15:52
20 yeah okay he had to make me do math there in real time we'll talk about that
1:15:57
later I might need to break out the cane for you as well I'll get that cricket bat from your Headmaster do you have his
1:16:03
information uh I think he's dead but
1:16:08
Cricket oh he gave it a name and it's called Jasper so you might be able to track that down all right well I'll look
1:16:15
into that but in the meantime we're going to go ahead and wrap it up there that's all the codcast we have for you
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