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0:00
Coming up, tons of details on features
0:02
coming to iOS 27, the surprisingly
0:04
exciting Apple Watch Series 12. Is that
0:07
true? [laughter]
0:09
How to make a home screen that doesn't
0:11
suck, and our weirdest product review
0:13
yet.
0:16
Hey, hello. Welcome to the Cult of Might
0:17
Podcast. I'm your host, Ny Katy. Joining
0:19
me today, we have Lewis Wallace. Hello,
0:21
Lewis.
0:22
>> Hello there. How's it going?
0:23
>> It's all right. Not too bad, although
0:24
I'm already hot and sweaty. Uh, Griffin,
0:27
how are you? I've been waiting to do the
0:29
show for a good uh 25 hours now.
0:32
[laughter]
0:32
>> Yeah, right. I know. Yeah, this more
0:35
technical problems and and personnel
0:37
problems than normal.
0:39
>> So, apologies.
0:41
[laughter]
0:42
>> Apologies for the delay.
0:44
>> Somebody wasn't feeling it yesterday.
0:46
[laughter]
0:46
>> Not feeling it at all.
0:49
>> Somebody wasn't in the right state two
0:50
days ago. [laughter]
0:53
>> That's right. I know. Yeah. Apologies.
0:54
We I had a busy week driving around the
0:56
half across the country uh non-stop.
1:00
Anyway, yeah. So, uh let's get on with
1:01
the show. We're going to talk about like
1:04
um all these IS-27 um details, which is
1:08
going to be coming when when's iOS 27
1:10
going to be due?
1:11
>> When's it going to be due? It's going to
1:12
be due this fall, but we're going to see
1:14
it next like half of a little less than
1:17
a month, right? Three weeks.
1:19
>> Surprisingly, terrifyingly close.
1:21
>> Yeah. WWDC26 starts what? June 8, I
1:24
think.
1:25
>> Big uh
1:27
>> well, we'll see all this stuff that
1:28
we're reading about and hearing about
1:30
today. So, uh iOS 27 is going to feature
1:32
an upgraded camera app that lets users
1:35
choose which controls appear on screen
1:37
and where they're placed. Things like
1:40
flash, exposure, timer, resolution, crap
1:42
like that. Uh, by default, camera app
1:45
supposedly going to launch with the same
1:46
familiar uh, controls of today, but
1:48
you'll be able to switch to an advanced
1:50
mode or build your own layout by
1:52
selecting from a transparent widget tray
1:55
that slides up from the bottom of the
1:56
screen. Whoa, not a widget tray.
1:58
[laughter]
1:59
>> Oh, baby.
2:01
Uh, each shooting mode. Yeah, each
2:03
shooting mode, photo, video, others, uh,
2:05
have its own independent set of
2:07
customizable controls.
2:09
uh photo modes. Advanced options include
2:11
depth of field and exposure controls
2:13
with widgets organized into basic,
2:15
manual, and settings categories. Apple
2:18
also added a new grid and level tool, or
2:21
I guess grid and level tools directly
2:23
within the app and relocated the control
2:25
toggle from the top right of the
2:27
interface to the right side of the
2:29
shutter button.
2:30
>> It seems like every other year or so
2:32
they introduce like a new layer of
2:34
customization to like a big part of the
2:36
system. like you know it started with
2:38
the customizable lock screens then they
2:40
extended that to like you know the uh
2:43
poster board like contact poster thing
2:46
which I don't know if anybody uses but
2:48
that's kind of fun. Uh then you know the
2:50
I guess it started with like the super
2:51
customizable home screens and then they
2:53
added more lock screen styles and then
2:56
there was control center and now it
2:57
looks like they're bringing that same
2:58
level of uh customization to the camera
3:01
which is interesting. I know a lot of
3:03
people like have are kind of divided
3:04
about the iOS 26 camera app. Well, don't
3:08
think you'll be able to make it your
3:09
own,
3:09
>> right? Here's your chance to fix it.
3:11
Yeah. As you like. You know, I I kind of
3:14
have a mixed feelings about it though,
3:15
you know, because I I was thinking for
3:17
some reason it reminded me of the
3:18
browser tab bar, you know, that the
3:20
browser bar where you can custom you've
3:22
had that since Netscape Navigator,
3:24
right? You know, 20 odd years or
3:25
something like that. So, um 30 years
3:28
>> 30 years. Yeah. Sorry. [laughter]
3:30
And uh I don't know. I I guess I I was
3:34
always kind of felt that after I'd
3:36
customized it, I was missing out on
3:38
something like I I I was always a little
3:41
nervous that I'd somehow messed it up
3:43
that I hadn't done it the best way even
3:46
though,
3:47
>> you know, and and I I just I kind of
3:49
prefer the defaults or selecting, you
3:52
know, like you you you you select
3:54
someone else, you know, you can choose
3:56
like basic or medium or advanced, you
3:59
know, a a a set of predefined defaults
4:02
that somebody else has figured out for
4:03
you. I kind of rather do that than be
4:06
fiddling around with it myself.
4:08
>> Uh yeah, I mean I got nervous at first
4:11
when I read this like, "Oh no, I'm just
4:13
starting to re, you know, realize how to
4:15
use the camera app." That seems to
4:17
change a lot. It's always kind of fiddly
4:19
and especially, you know, most of the
4:21
pictures I take are outside. So usually,
4:23
you know, my stupid sunglasses, I can
4:26
barely see the screen anyway. Trying to
4:27
take a picture, trying to see what's
4:29
going on. It just drives me nuts. Uh,
4:31
the good thing about this is that it it
4:33
sticks with the normal thing. So, you
4:35
don't have to change if you don't want
4:36
to, which that's it's I'm glad Apple's
4:39
doing that more and more often where
4:40
they don't just say here's how you have
4:42
to do it. They they give you an option
4:44
to, you know, not have to learn how to
4:47
do something or take a bunch of time to
4:48
customize something. This sounds
4:50
>> like when you launch the camera app,
4:51
it'll be like, okay, there are no
4:54
controls. Build your own camera app.
4:56
>> Right?
4:56
>> That would be horrible.
4:58
>> So, I don't know. I think this sounds
4:59
pretty good. And you know, everybody's
5:01
got their own, you know, particular set
5:03
of things that they shoot a lot of
5:05
pictures of, right? I mean, it seems
5:07
like it could be very helpful and and if
5:09
if people take the time to figure out
5:11
how to do it, you know, maybe I'm sure
5:13
Apple explain this all and, you know, a
5:16
information-packed twominut segment at
5:18
WWDC. Maybe even five minutes. Can you
5:20
imagine five minutes on the camera app?
5:23
>> Mhm.
5:23
>> Yeah. [laughter]
5:24
Anyway, I don't know. I think it sounds
5:26
good. I mean, I honestly use the camera
5:29
all the time, so I'm I'm I'm thrilled
5:31
that they give us more options and ways
5:34
to make it a little bit easier to use.
5:35
Let's see. So, that's not the only
5:37
thing. I mean, you might have heard that
5:38
this that uh they're they're trying to
5:40
make Siri like good and and important
5:45
across all their operating systems. And
5:47
>> and uh this this report's coming from, I
5:51
believe, Mark German at at Bloomberg. Uh
5:53
Siri is undergoing its most significant
5:55
transformation yet as an always on agent
5:57
capable of drawing on personal data and
5:59
taking actions across apps. Uh and so
6:02
here's here's what's kind of surprising.
6:03
Visually Siri is packing up and moving
6:05
into the dynamic island. What the
6:09
Now that's kind of weird. Uh does that
6:12
mean that the the the glow around the
6:14
screen is going to go away?
6:16
>> That's that's a shame because I like
6:18
that.
6:19
>> I know. I kind of like it too. Uh
6:22
anyway, activating Siri will bring up a
6:24
pill-shaped animation in the dynamic
6:26
area dynamic island uh with a new search
6:29
or ask bar. It can be summoned by
6:31
swiping down from the top center of the
6:33
screen. Uh when users engage with Siri,
6:36
they can pull up a chatbot style
6:38
conversation view that resembles a text
6:40
message thread complete with inline
6:41
cards showing weather, appointments, and
6:43
notes. Be able to toggle between Siri
6:46
and third party services like chat GPT
6:48
or semini. Gemini. [laughter] Uh,
6:51
Semini. What the?
6:52
>> Yeah. What the heck?
6:53
>> I can I can still read. That's great.
6:55
Uh, also, and we've heard this before,
6:57
but a little more detail. Siri is going
6:59
to be a dedicated standalone app in iOS
7:02
27. Supposedly, home screen will show a
7:04
grid of recent conversations users can
7:06
jump back into with a search bar for
7:07
locating past results and a plus button
7:09
to start a new chat. Sounds perfectly
7:12
reasonable. Anybody who's ever used chat
7:14
GPT, same kind of thing. Nice to be able
7:17
to go back and revisit stuff. you know,
7:18
if you that is super helpful if you go
7:20
like on a you know, a 1-hour back and
7:23
forth with this thing about how to uh
7:26
you know, install a new part in your car
7:30
and then you don't actually have that
7:31
part and you have to go do other things
7:32
for a week and a half. You finally get
7:33
the part, you're like, "Oh my god, where
7:34
do I find?" Well, it's all right there.
7:36
It's all in one place. That's that's
7:38
super helpful.
7:39
>> And considering like there's already the
7:40
chat GPT integration with Siri now. I
7:43
mean, you can talk with it as much as
7:44
you want. Uh but then if you just tap
7:46
away, it's all gone and you can't find
7:48
it again. So that that could be useful
7:50
for the people who are interested in
7:51
that.
7:52
>> Yeah. I mean, you know, especially when
7:54
you go off in those long research holes,
7:57
you know, it's totally nice to be able
7:58
to go back and find it. Um
8:01
Siri will also gain the ability to
8:02
search the open web to answer general
8:04
knowledge questions. We'll believe I'll
8:06
believe it when I see it. It will
8:07
surface bullet pointed summaries and
8:09
large images. capability has been
8:10
absent, you know, like I mean, basically
8:14
it's useless at this point, but uh you
8:17
know, fingers crossed. I mean, Apple has
8:18
been, you know, there's been a steady
8:20
series of leaks. Apple has, you know,
8:22
apologized for not getting Siri. Apple
8:24
has paid what $250 million out for not
8:27
delivering Siri. I mean, it has to
8:29
happen this time. They have to
8:32
deliver something that's actually good.
8:35
And uh you know, I mean,
8:36
>> and it sounds like they've got the
8:37
interface ready. So,
8:39
>> yeah. Well, that'll that'll that'll
8:41
help.
8:44
>> Uh let's see.
8:45
>> That's one part of it.
8:46
>> Yeah. Yeah. Not the important part,
8:49
unfortunately. Well,
8:51
>> I I honestly I feel like if they they
8:54
have so much writing on this, I mean,
8:55
they're going to become a laughing stock
8:56
if they don't nail it with this. I mean,
8:59
it's already like
9:00
>> Well, yeah. I mean, Siri is a
9:02
laughingstock right now, but if if they
9:05
roll out a Siri that is subpar, it's
9:08
going to be, you know, wow, Apple,
9:10
really? you've had two years to do this
9:12
and you've croed about it and you've
9:14
paid Google a billion dollars and and
9:18
this is so I I have high hopes that they
9:22
actually get it right this time [snorts]
9:24
>> because and I think that you know if if
9:27
it's not done right now if it's not
9:28
working out right now people would
9:30
better be like you know doing meth and
9:31
staying up 24 hours a day working to get
9:33
it right
9:34
>> or you know using collad to do it or
9:36
whatever. [laughter]
9:38
Uh let's see. So, other changes. This is
9:41
kind of a grab bag of stuff. Um, more
9:44
changes in iOS 27. Safari browser should
9:46
see a revamped start page with four tabs
9:49
at the top for quick access to
9:50
favorites, bookmarks, a reading list,
9:52
and browsing history. I don't know if
9:55
you uh how often you use this interface
9:56
on the Mac, but it looks like it's
9:59
unchanged since 2003. If you go to like
10:02
view your history, it overlays on top of
10:05
the current tab that you're viewing so
10:07
that it like disappears. is you can't
10:09
see the web page you're on. It's it's
10:11
it's really bizarre and it's a full
10:13
screen experience. But then they also
10:15
have it kind of in the sidebar, which is
10:18
where they want it. But, you know, if
10:19
you're opening a new tab, like on the
10:21
iPhone, you have to like go digging into
10:23
the menu in the corner like because it,
10:25
you know, it wants to have your like
10:26
your favorites and your pin stuff there.
10:28
But, oh, f like bookmarks, reading list,
10:31
oh, that's in this other section and
10:32
it's tucked away. U and and the button
10:35
to bring it up only says bookmarks. that
10:37
doesn't indicate that there are other
10:38
things there. So, yeah, this is um
10:40
there's not a lot of things that I like
10:42
about Chrome, but at least its interface
10:44
is a little smarter about it.
10:45
>> Do you ever use any of these um
10:47
features, favorites, bookmarks, reading
10:49
list, or browsing history? I mean,
10:50
browsing history, yeah, every now and
10:52
again. Do you ever use any of them?
10:53
>> I use all of them. I I have a lot of
10:54
bookmarks. I use the reading list a lot.
10:56
Uh and like the iCloud tabs. And so
11:00
searching across them across like three
11:02
different panels and interfaces that are
11:04
also completely different between my
11:06
iPhone and my Mac is very frustrating.
11:08
>> Okay.
11:09
>> The reading list feature I've never used
11:11
once in my life.
11:12
>> Bookmarks. Yes.
11:13
>> I I use it too much. I'm like too quick
11:15
to add things to my reading list and
11:17
then it builds up to where it's like,
11:19
you know, 50 YouTube videos long and
11:21
then I'm never going to look at any of
11:22
them. So every once in a while I just go
11:24
through and delete them all. But
11:25
hypothetically I should be using it. I
11:27
got to start using it because you know
11:28
my reading list is like having a just
11:29
leaving the browser tab open. So,
11:32
[laughter]
11:33
and then of course it's it's completely
11:34
unwieldy. I I better train myself how to
11:37
use that.
11:38
>> Other changes in iOS 27 weather apps
11:40
going to add a conditions panel that
11:41
will let users swipe between
11:42
temperature, rain, wind, and other data
11:44
points without navigating to a separate
11:46
page.
11:46
>> Okay. Very, very welcome. I use the
11:48
weather app all the time. I'm always
11:49
looking up precipitation. It's a pain in
11:51
the
11:53
backside. And uh yeah,
11:54
>> I hope that comes to the watch as well.
11:56
Like switching between all those
11:57
different views on the watch is really
11:58
annoying where you can tap and it'll go
12:01
through like the full 10 different
12:03
things one at a time and you can't see
12:05
where you are on the list. Or you can
12:07
tap a menu and it's kind of complicated.
12:09
So hopefully that's not just the phone,
12:11
but we'll see.
12:13
>> Uh oh, big changes coming to Image
12:15
Playground. Woo, baby. Apple's been
12:17
testing improved models to make
12:18
generated images look more realistic.
12:21
More realistic than Pixar. I I look I
12:23
took a look at this the other day after
12:25
somebody a very uh you know a good we
12:28
had a great note from a a listener who
12:31
was talking about how image playground
12:33
is useful. He was I I believe he was
12:35
saying that uh they they use it for like
12:39
uh newsletters school newsletters or
12:41
something so they can take a picture of
12:43
the kid
12:43
>> day camp newsletters.
12:45
>> Oh yeah. and gen and generate images to
12:47
go along with stories and they're not,
12:49
you know, it's not a picture of the kid
12:51
and they don't have to send a picture of
12:52
the kid to uh chat GPT to have it create
12:56
something and and you know, he had a I
12:57
mean that that picture looked fine. You
12:59
know, it's like a kid uh making s'mores
13:01
or something around a campfire. So,
13:03
okay, I get it. That it's great for
13:04
that. It's uh [laughter] I thought I
13:07
thought, okay, well, I'll check it out.
13:08
And and sure enough, there are more
13:10
options than the last time I checked out
13:11
the image playground, you know, like
13:14
they're still all garbage. I mean, for
13:16
for my purposes, they're garbage. I
13:18
mean, they're I suppose they're fine. If
13:19
you want a low resolution image for a a
13:22
summer camp uh newsletter, fine.
13:25
>> You know, if if you like the style,
13:27
great. There are different options in
13:29
there, but uh so supposedly they're
13:31
going to try to make it more realistic,
13:32
which I think that would be nice. Uh,
13:35
>> a lot of people talk about image
13:37
playground as if it's impossible to
13:38
generate realistic images already, but
13:41
ever since they integrated like chat GPT
13:43
image generation, it's absolutely
13:45
possible. You can send it any picture of
13:48
your contact or, you know, anybody you
13:50
know, any picture you find online, you
13:52
can put in there and it'll generate like
13:54
a fully photorealistic looking image of
13:56
them.
13:56
>> I still haven't managed to make that
13:58
work. Uh, and and the thing that I find
14:00
most frustrating about image playground
14:02
is it is constantly forcing me to add a
14:05
picture from my contacts. It's like I
14:07
don't want to add a picture from my
14:08
contacts. I want you to do something
14:10
generic. Uh, it just
14:12
>> there's a feature for that as well
14:13
that's also kind of buried. If you go to
14:15
the menu that brings up your list of
14:18
contacts, there's like a generic one in
14:20
the top left corner that you can pick
14:21
where it'll just generate a human from
14:24
scratch.
14:25
>> Huh. Okay. Well, that's good news. if I
14:27
ever open image playground again.
14:28
>> Yeah, but the thing is like yeah, these
14:30
features are there and nobody knows
14:31
about them because nobody uses it
14:32
because
14:33
>> Well, I shouldn't say nobody use it. We
14:35
just heard [laughter]
14:36
>> a good argument that people do all the
14:38
time. Yeah,
14:39
>> I'm sorry. Did you say a former
14:40
listener? [laughter]
14:43
>> Sorry. Yeah,
14:43
>> I will not take these constant dissings
14:45
of image playground. Isn't image like a
14:48
good a good example of like Apple trying
14:50
to do things kind of responsibly and
14:52
showing that you know this is how they
14:54
shoot themselves in the foot by doing
14:56
things properly in the AI area because
14:58
it's not
14:59
>> the problem with image playground isn't
15:00
that isn't the responsibility of it the
15:02
problem is that it's so limited that you
15:04
can't really use it in any professional
15:06
context if you wanted to because the
15:08
images that it generates are square and
15:10
low resolution you can't force it to
15:12
make like a 16x9
15:14
you know 3000 pixel image that we need
15:18
to use for all of the header images on
15:20
our website. Like even if we wanted to
15:22
use it, we couldn't.
15:23
>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm hoping it's going to be
15:24
like Apple Maps, you know, where it it
15:27
sucks them originally initially and then
15:30
it gets improved until it becomes the
15:32
best um image generator that you you
15:35
know that money can buy. Um, of course,
15:38
you know, AI is moving so fast that, um,
15:40
Apple's, you know,
15:43
I don't know, you know, [clears throat]
15:44
it's I was looking at some, have you
15:45
seen these AI uh film making? Um, I was
15:48
checking out some AI shorts, movies. Uh,
15:52
that um, what was one? Gossip Goblin was
15:54
one I was reading about yesterday. And
15:58
I don't know, you know, that the
15:59
aesthetic is horrible. Um [laughter]
16:02
the everything was kind of horrible
16:04
about it. But um
16:06
>> this guy is getting starting to get a
16:08
lot of attention and uh you know the
16:10
Hollywood is is starting to come calling
16:11
and in fact you know I I read that uh it
16:15
turns out major movie studio just canled
16:17
um building a um they canceled they were
16:21
going to build a studio major movie
16:22
studio and instead they're building a
16:23
data center. It's awful. I mean, I saw
16:26
that like Coca-Cola tried generating
16:28
like, you know, their their classic, you
16:30
know, Coca-Cola Christmas time
16:32
commercial in AI, and it took like
16:36
several times
16:38
more money to generate it with AI than
16:41
it would have to just make it how
16:43
they've always made it, like with
16:44
cameras and trucks and sets. And it also
16:47
didn't look very good.
16:48
>> Yeah, but that was like a year and a
16:49
half ago, right?
16:50
>> That was like 6 months ago.
16:51
>> Was that was literally just last year.
16:53
Seems like it was forever ago. Things
16:55
are moving fast.
16:56
>> The head of advertising at Coca-Cola is
16:58
apparently like a really AI pill.
17:01
[laughter]
17:01
>> He wanted to do it this way.
17:03
>> Have you seen these ads for the the guy
17:05
running for mayor of LA? What Pratt? He
17:08
he keeps doing these AI generated ads.
17:11
They're and they're, you know, they're
17:13
going viral. They're they're they're
17:15
crazy, you know. It's like uh and he's
17:18
using images, you know, of like the
17:21
actual mayor of of LA doing things that,
17:25
you know, saying things she never said,
17:27
doing things she never did. I mean, it's
17:28
it's clearly
17:30
uh you know, satire,
17:32
>> but uh
17:34
>> it's it's wild. I mean, I I was watching
17:36
I man it and and as as realistic as this
17:40
stuff can be, I mean, I'm a little
17:42
surprised at that already that that's
17:43
not illegal for you to use an AI
17:45
generated image of your political
17:47
opponent in an advertisement
17:49
and, you know, make
17:51
>> it really should be, shouldn't it?
17:52
>> I are are they so realistic that you
17:55
could that somebody, you know, Karen
17:57
Bass, right? So that they could be mis
18:00
they could misconrue. Yeah. I mean, you
18:02
know, be
18:02
>> I mean, like I said, these things are
18:05
funny, right? I mean, they're satirical.
18:07
They're clearly satirical cuz, you know,
18:08
it'll be like her walking in front of a,
18:11
you know, a city on on fire going, "Hey,
18:14
forest fires are down, you know, 5%."
18:17
You know, whatever, you know, and a kid
18:19
on a playground, she's walking to the
18:21
playground going, "Oh, most of the
18:23
needles in the playground don't have
18:24
AIDS." It's like, wow. I mean, it's
18:28
obviously it's not true, but and I don't
18:31
know. I mean, does it look enough like
18:33
her to fool someone? I mean, yeah, if
18:35
you're not, you know, squitting at it
18:36
and don't know exactly what she looks
18:37
like. I mean, it looks pretty real. But
18:40
[snorts]
18:40
>> anyway, different different that's not
18:43
nearly as important as what's next in
18:45
iOS uh 27 [laughter] cuz you're not
18:48
going to believe this, but the tab bar
18:49
at the bottom of several apps may merge
18:51
the search tab with the rest of the apps
18:52
navigation just like in iOS 18 and
18:55
earlier. That's going to be great news.
18:57
And
18:57
>> yeah, I feel like they're they're
18:58
walking back like the whole search
19:00
button being separate from the tab bar,
19:02
which is sad. I I think we we we noticed
19:04
that starting in um I think like iOS
19:06
26.4 earlier, how like the the games app
19:09
stopped doing that. The app store no
19:11
longer does that. It's it it's sad. That
19:14
was actually one of my favorite parts of
19:15
the iOS 26 redesign. God, I every time I
19:18
use the podcast app, I swear out loud
19:20
because I I hate how many times I have
19:23
to tap to get there's a lot of things
19:25
like that in in iOS and Mac where you
19:27
you like you tap on a search bar. It
19:29
says search it and in fact it says, you
19:32
know, it usually has some garbage text
19:35
in there like a search box that says
19:37
Apple Maps, right? You tap on that and
19:39
then you have it opens up another thing
19:41
you have to tap in and then you have to
19:43
type. It's just, you know, it's too much
19:45
tapping around. And the podcast app is
19:47
the absolute worst. I mean, it's over
19:49
and over. You tap this, it makes you
19:51
jump down and tap something at the
19:53
bottom of the screen. Oh, but you tap
19:54
that and it opens something else and you
19:55
have to tap that. It's It's I don't
19:57
know. I I've been using I I use that
19:59
every day, multiple hours a day, and
20:01
it's still annoying as can be. Even
20:05
though I kind of know how to use it,
20:07
it's it's clunky and it's it's it's just
20:10
it's lazy. It's lazy to make something
20:12
that it requires that many tabs.
20:15
>> I think the idea was that like the the
20:17
search tab would actually be like a
20:19
separate button and then as soon as you
20:20
tap that that becomes the search field,
20:23
but it was really complicated to
20:24
implement and kind of buggy. So, I think
20:26
they're just walking it back.
20:27
>> Yeah. Let's see.
20:30
The keyboard is going to animate into
20:33
view by sliding up from the bottom of
20:35
the screen when summoned
20:38
in iOS 27. Are you guys ready for that?
20:41
This actually sounds cool. Users who
20:42
frequently rearrange their home screens
20:44
will find new undo and redo controls to
20:46
make that process less annoying and
20:49
errorprone. Uh let's see.
20:52
>> More on that later in the show.
20:54
>> Yeah, [laughter] I I love this last
20:55
sentence of our little notes here. Apple
20:57
also plans design refinements to Mac OS
20:59
27. [laughter]
21:02
They're going to try to like make it
21:03
less liquid
21:05
ass and more liquid glass. Uh,
21:07
[laughter]
21:08
>> it just won some major designer award,
21:11
didn't it? Liquid glass.
21:12
>> Yeah. Well, who sits on those designer
21:14
award things? It's people like that guy
21:16
who's out of there. Yeah. I mean, it's
21:18
exactly that kind of cream who I simply
21:22
love the liquid glass interface. It's It
21:24
looks so magnificent. But I can't I
21:27
mean, they do look great on in in demos
21:30
and stuff, but try using it every day
21:31
and then get back to me, right? It's
21:33
like gh. Anyway, they're going to make
21:35
it a little bit less annoying.
21:37
>> Well, this these all sound I don't know.
21:39
How excited are we about any of this?
21:42
Siri, if they pull it off.
21:44
>> I mean, if that's going to be, I think,
21:47
the most important thing out of WWC is
21:49
is what can Siri do and does it actually
21:52
do what they say it can do. uh the stuff
21:54
we were talking about today. I'm excited
21:56
about the camera app stuff cuz like I
21:57
said, I like to use it a lot and I find
21:59
some of the controls kind of cumbersome
22:00
to get to and there are things I like to
22:02
do a lot. It'd be great if I could, you
22:04
know, set presets and get to them
22:07
immediately. So,
22:08
>> I was looking forward to vision OS 27,
22:11
but I think a report from Mark German a
22:13
while ago said, "Yeah, it's basically
22:15
not going to be anything major." And
22:16
that's disappointing because there, you
22:18
know, it's still a very promising
22:19
platform. There's a lot I'd like to see
22:20
them do with it. Uh, but it sounds like
22:22
they're basically just, you know,
22:23
spinning the wheels on it. I'm really
22:25
excited for Mac OS 27 to not be ugly as
22:27
sin. So, look, you know, I can at least
22:30
look forward to that. You know, I use my
22:31
Mac every day. I'm also going to be
22:33
watching out for uh any clues at WWDC
22:37
that would hint at like a folding iPhone
22:39
in the fall. Maybe there'll be like some
22:41
new APIs indicating like, oh, you know,
22:44
how to make a an iPhone app seamlessly
22:46
switch into an iPad app in one
22:49
>> if any clues like that. Maybe maybe the
22:51
I honestly think like maybe the slide up
22:53
keyboard thing is a is a folding iPhone
22:56
thing.
22:57
>> They've got to talk about the folding
22:58
iPhone at dubdubdub DC surely, right?
23:01
>> I don't think they are. I think it'll
23:02
they'll they'll just have like a few
23:04
APIs that'll be like, "Oh, that's kind
23:06
of weird." And everybody can kind of
23:07
tell what they're about, but they won't
23:08
actually talk about it as a product. M
23:11
>> that's what I was that's what I was
23:12
thinking about uh
23:14
>> when when we were discussing this stuff
23:16
and and what's coming and and like are
23:18
they going to and I thought well they're
23:20
going to have to show how the how this
23:21
multitasking is going to work in a you
23:23
know folding phone but it's no I really
23:25
don't think they will and that's what
23:27
they they usually don't you know they're
23:30
not going to talk about new products
23:32
they're not I don't think
23:33
>> well that means the iPhone event oh oh
23:35
well actually maybe not cuz um they're
23:37
they're not going to be releasing
23:38
they're only going to release Pro
23:39
models, aren't they, in the fall. So,
23:42
it'll be the folding iPhone and the Pro
23:44
models with the regular models following
23:46
in the following spring. So, you know,
23:48
then maybe they'll have a bit more time
23:50
to discuss the folding iPhone.
23:52
>> Yeah, that's true. And and you know
23:54
what, that'll be a very welcome thing. I
23:55
mean, don't you always find yourself at
23:57
the, you know, watching the iPhone event
23:59
going, "Oh my god, so there's that phone
24:01
and then now here's this phone." It's
24:04
always kind of like, oh god, it just
24:07
feels so uh you know, so much overlap
24:09
and stuff and
24:10
>> that could cut like a solid 20 minutes
24:11
from the run time.
24:13
>> Yeah. And you know, it' be really
24:15
exciting to see when they do show off
24:16
this folding phone. I mean, I I wish
24:17
they would do it at WWC because I'd love
24:19
to see it, but uh
24:20
>> Mhm.
24:21
>> you know, I I actually saw something the
24:23
other day that made me maybe slightly
24:25
more, you know, positive about it. It
24:28
might have been some bogus rumor about
24:30
the price being $1,500 instead of 2,000.
24:33
or 2500.
24:35
>> Yeah.
24:35
>> But uh I I think it was just like, you
24:38
know, the thing of like, oh, it's it's
24:39
going to be the smallest iPhone ever
24:42
>> and then it opens up into this giant
24:43
thing, you know. I mean, I do like the
24:45
idea of a small iPhone. [snorts]
24:49
>> I mean, it's going to be short. It's
24:50
gonna be wide though, which I I I'll
24:53
like being able to tap the top of the
24:55
screen again, but um I mean it's gonna
24:57
be about as wide as the current like Pro
24:59
Max size, which is like way too far for
25:02
my thumb to be able to stretch across.
25:05
>> I didn't realize it was quite that wide.
25:06
That's pretty wide.
25:08
>> Yeah.
25:10
About the size of a pack of cigarettes
25:12
for anybody who still remembers what
25:13
those look like, right? [laughter]
25:16
>> I just found a pack a pack of cigarettes
25:17
is like 15 bucks now, isn't it?
25:20
I don't know.
25:21
>> I haven't bought one for years, but
25:23
yeah. Anyway, all right. Let's talk
25:25
about the Apple Watch, which is this
25:27
[laughter] is a really bizarre story the
25:29
way that we uh we presented it. Anyway,
25:31
uh after years of iterative updates,
25:34
rumors indicate the Apple Watch Series
25:35
12 might bring real advancements and
25:37
make the upcoming model hard to ignore.
25:41
Okay. Right. Well, as we get into this,
25:42
we'll see whether that's actually true.
25:44
One of the biggest hardware changes
25:45
possibly coming to the iPhone Series 12
25:47
is the inclusion of Touch ID. References
25:50
to the feature was spotted in Apple's
25:52
internal software in 2025, and the
25:54
company has secured several patents for
25:55
biometric authentication on the Apple
25:58
Watch. Um, Apple could integrate Touch
26:00
ID into the watch's digital crown or a
26:02
side button. Alternatively, they could
26:04
be developing an indisplay optical
26:05
sensor similar to what some Android
26:08
smartphones use. Okay, so when I first
26:11
read this, I'm like, what? Touch ID?
26:13
This is the This is what's going to make
26:14
the series 12 hard this apparently. No,
26:17
this is not the This is not the story. A
26:20
new leak from Instant Digital on Sunday
26:23
in a Wiibo Weibo post said that Apple
26:25
has decided not to add the Touch ID to
26:28
Apple Watch. This is the important part.
26:30
Apple's current focus is on packing in
26:33
larger batteries and relentlessly
26:34
refining it advanced health centers
26:36
instant digital BR. So, this apparently
26:37
is what's going to make it hard to
26:38
resist the fact that they're not going
26:40
to be including Touch ID, which
26:42
[laughter] this doesn't make any sense
26:43
whatsoever. Anyway, um so
26:47
the exciting part is that they're going
26:48
to have a faster chip and more room for
26:51
a better battery. Apple Watch Series 9,
26:53
10, and 11 all around essentially the
26:55
same CPU, but for Apple Watch Series 12,
26:56
Apple will report to deploy a new faster
26:59
chip. The upcoming series identified
27:01
internally as quote watch 8 is rumored
27:04
to come with a new CPU code named T8320.
27:09
>> Wow.
27:10
>> Wow.
27:11
>> Um, the last three generations used the
27:14
watch 7 identifier.
27:17
Okay. Wow. So, uh, a new CPU. This is
27:19
going to make it very hard to resist.
27:21
>> I mean, anytime they add like a new CPU
27:24
change on the watch, it usually enables
27:26
like a whole slew of new features. Like
27:28
I mean we were just talking about this
27:29
last week like the double tap thing, the
27:31
wrist flick, all the extra gestures that
27:33
are only on the last few models of Apple
27:35
Watch.
27:36
>> I see. So it's going to it'll be, you
27:38
know, updated for the next six years or
27:40
whatever. It'll get that it'll get
27:42
whatever this coming six years down the
27:43
line.
27:44
>> Okay. Well, that's that's good to know.
27:45
All right. Thanks for filling me in
27:46
there because I was completely
27:47
underwhelmed by all this. Absolutely
27:50
completely underwhelmed. I was like
27:51
thinking, what the heck? Where's the
27:52
blood? You know, what I want is the the
27:54
glucose monitor. That's what I want.
27:57
That's what the uh the when we did a
27:59
poll in the cult of Mac today newsletter
28:00
which I'm sure every listener to this
28:02
podcast subscribes to free daily
28:04
newsletter written by Leander himself
28:06
just filled with amazing stuff including
28:08
a daily poll which we asked you know are
28:11
you going to buy are you going to
28:13
upgrade to Apple Watch this year and
28:15
several comments were I'm waiting for
28:17
the blood glucose monitor
28:19
>> right yep yep which you know we've been
28:22
hearing about that thing for years right
28:24
so last we heard like I think a year or
28:26
two ago it was they have it working on
28:30
an iPhone sized device that you strap to
28:32
your like bicep.
28:34
>> Yeah.
28:35
>> Give it give it five years for
28:36
miniaturaturization and then like
28:37
another year or two for them to be able
28:39
to build it into a watch affordably. So
28:41
we're still probably like, you know, six
28:43
years away from that. Right.
28:45
>> I saw some there there's a gadget on uh
28:47
that you can buy on Amazon that does
28:48
non-invasive blood glucose, but and and
28:50
and the the ads I saw anyway, you know,
28:53
made it sound amazing and that it was
28:55
accurate, but I haven't uh actually sort
28:58
of I haven't checked it out and I
28:59
haven't seen any any authoritative
29:00
reviews about whether it works. And I
29:02
think there was um wasn't there one at
29:04
CES shown last year, a sort of Apple
29:06
Watch size device that I think it made
29:09
some splash at CES, but then I haven't
29:10
heard a thing about it since. That ring
29:12
any bells? H sounds kind of familiar. I
29:16
mean,
29:16
>> I mean, it's it's got to be smaller than
29:17
Apple Watch sized if it has to fit
29:18
inside an Apple Watch. Unless you want
29:20
the Apple Watch to get twice as big.
29:22
>> Yeah, right. Maybe they'll have the
29:24
Ultra Pro Max Plus.
29:27
>> Yeah. Well, so the other thing about
29:28
this uh this report here about good
29:30
thing of losing Touch ID is they said
29:33
this leaker said Apple's focusing on
29:37
larger batteries and relentlessly
29:39
refining the advanced health sensors.
29:42
So, you know, maybe those will get
29:43
better. Maybe. Although, I don't I don't
29:45
Do you have any complaints about the way
29:46
the sensors work currently? I mean,
29:50
seem fine.
29:51
>> No.
29:52
And and we've done other polls about um
29:55
things like the uh the blood pressure uh
29:57
monitoring and had some positive
30:00
feedback about that. People have said
30:01
that yeah, they've gotten alerts and and
30:02
then went to the doctor and and had, you
30:04
know, undiagnosed hypertension. Um so
30:08
one one person was very very grateful
30:10
about that since saying yeah this I
30:11
think this literally saved my life. Um
30:13
also the sleep apnnea thing I think
30:15
people said that that that worked. Um I
30:19
haven't got the any either of these
30:20
alerts myself.
30:22
>> It bums me out with the sleep apnnea
30:24
thing that if you have been diagnosed
30:26
with sleep apnnea it doesn't check which
30:30
I find kind of silly. I mean, I would
30:33
like to know if my sleep apnea is
30:35
getting better or worse. I would like to
30:37
know if there's a difference when I wear
30:39
a CPAT machine or don't. I I I don't for
30:43
the life of me I don't understand why
30:44
they you know because they they you know
30:47
and I guess you could lie but I I
30:48
actually think that maybe it it look you
30:51
know if you allow Apple Health to have
30:52
access to all of your medical files or
30:55
whatever uh it I think it knows I think
30:58
it knows that you've been diagnosed with
31:00
sleep apnnea. Hm. [clears throat]
31:02
>> I think that that goes into the line of,
31:04
you know, the Apple needs to be very
31:06
careful about how close they make it to
31:08
like an being an actual medical device.
31:11
Uh that would probably require a bunch
31:13
of extra certification that they can't
31:14
be bothered with.
31:16
>> Sure. Yeah. I I for every single feature
31:18
I I don't understand why it's okay to
31:20
give you
31:22
>> non-medical advice about, hey, you might
31:24
have a problem
31:26
>> when you've already been diagnosed with
31:27
having that problem. I mean,
31:29
>> maybe they just think it's pointless,
31:31
but I don't know. I wouldn't I I So, I I
31:34
don't know. Maybe they don't give you
31:37
uh, you know, like a daily update on how
31:40
things went last night with your sleep
31:41
apnnea or not. I don't know.
31:43
>> And yet, it's perfectly legal to throw
31:44
your entire medical history at Chat DPT
31:46
and it'll tell you to kill yourself.
31:48
But, [laughter]
31:50
>> have you tried that?
31:52
>> No.
31:53
>> Are you kidding? [laughter] Did you try
31:55
with I was tempted to try with my taxes
31:57
because we got a huge tax bill and and
31:59
uh
32:00
>> do not give your taxes to GBT. Jesus,
32:03
>> I I wanted to see if I came up with some
32:04
better, you know, um tax strategies than
32:06
than the my our expensive accountant.
32:09
>> Um I I I read some I read some pretty
32:12
compelling tweets about it. [laughter]
32:16
>> Yeah,
32:16
>> I was really tempted to throw out my
32:18
entire financial uh history. I don't
32:22
think I would
32:22
>> I didn't do that. [laughter]
32:24
>> Yeah.
32:26
>> Okay. So, uh anyway, there's a few more
32:29
details about the uh about some some
32:31
more watch rumors. Um this there's a
32:34
reporter called Mark German. Might have
32:36
heard of him.
32:37
>> Uh heard of him.
32:38
>> He said that the Apple's working on a
32:40
new watch face based on the Apple Watch
32:42
Ultra's modular Ultra, the Ultra Modular
32:45
Ultra face. Um, the redesigned watch
32:47
face reportedly will retain a large
32:49
clock but remove the huge complication
32:51
section in the center.
32:53
>> Uh, I think that's okay. Yeah, I know
32:55
what he's talking about. That's I think
32:57
currently I have it set um I think this
32:59
is it, isn't it? Here I have mine set to
33:02
the um weather
33:04
>> maybe.
33:05
>> Um,
33:08
and I don't know. I guess that's uh
33:10
that's kind of cool. I I want to see
33:12
some more. I I I hate analog faces on
33:14
digital watches. Like I drives me crazy.
33:16
And plus I can't read an analog face
33:18
anymore anyway. I have to stare at it
33:20
for like a minute and sort to figure out
33:21
like is that 3:00 or 4:00 or what is a
33:24
bloody time?
33:24
>> Me and you too. I I love digital faces.
33:26
And also Apple refuses to have like a
33:28
digital face that also has a second
33:30
counter on it.
33:31
>> Yeah.
33:31
>> So like every time I always have to like
33:33
swipe up to see like in the widget view
33:35
they have a second clock that has like
33:36
the the seconds on it, but not all of
33:39
them have that either. It's it's it's a
33:41
real pain in the ass. Modular Modell
33:44
Ultra does. You raise your wrist and the
33:46
seconds appear.
33:47
>> Yeah. Well, I don't want to wear a brick
33:48
on my wrist, so I don't have that watch
33:50
face.
33:50
>> You missed a brick.
33:51
>> The Ultra is the best watch by far.
33:54
>> They also just discontin watch faces
33:55
occasionally. Like my favorite watch
33:57
face is gone. I think they removed it
33:59
like two versions ago and I can just
34:00
never get it back.
34:02
>> That's weird.
34:03
>> Yeah.
34:04
>> Yeah.
34:04
>> Why would they even do that? I guess
34:05
they'd have to continue spending a
34:07
little bit of time updating it.
34:08
[clears throat]
34:08
>> Mhm. Uh, also um the service actually
34:11
here. What the heck? Here it here it's
34:14
buried the we buried the lead um Apple
34:17
Watch Series 12 might get satellite
34:19
connectivity. I'd say that was kind of
34:21
important.
34:22
>> They're expanding this, aren't they? And
34:24
they didn't they just do a deal with um
34:27
Bezos.
34:28
Uh
34:29
>> yeah, because Amazon bought Global Star,
34:31
which was the company that provided
34:33
their their satellite connectivity. So
34:35
now Apple had to make cut a deal with
34:37
Amazon to to get it working.
34:39
>> Well, this I think it's clearly going to
34:40
expand. Right now it's like the you know
34:42
emergency SOS and some emergency text
34:44
and stuff like that. But it's clearly I
34:46
think going to expand. Don't you think
34:48
that's kind of insane?
34:49
>> We have it in here. Uh watch OS 27
34:51
reportedly will include Apple Maps
34:53
connectivity via satellite.
34:54
>> Yeah.
34:54
>> Along with uh sending photos and
34:57
messages from the watch, which I think
34:58
you can do on the phone now, but not on
35:00
the watch, but they're they're adding
35:01
that. But Apple Maps connectivity by
35:03
satellite. That's major,
35:05
>> right?
35:05
>> I mean, that's like, you know, getting
35:06
lost in the middle of nowhere, you know,
35:08
you better hope that you just have maps
35:10
downloaded in advance. Uh, but no, if
35:13
you're lost in the woods, you can you
35:14
can get maps back. That's excellent.
35:16
>> What about photo support?
35:19
>> Oh, for messages.
35:20
>> Yep. So,
35:21
>> I'm thinking about this. Um, I mean, I
35:23
guess if you break your leg
35:26
off, you can send a picture. [laughter]
35:27
>> Should I cut this off or what?
35:30
>> Yeah.
35:32
[laughter]
35:33
Apple keeps kicking the can down the
35:36
line of uh oh it'll be free for
35:38
everybody for another year. Oh, it'll be
35:40
free for everybody for another year. At
35:42
some point they have to monetize us
35:43
because I bet it's expensive, especially
35:45
if they're now partnering with Amazon.
35:47
So
35:49
>> yeah, I'm sure launching a couple of
35:51
thousand satellites isn't cheap.
35:53
>> I I wonder how they're going to monetize
35:55
it when they do. I mean, surely the
35:56
emergency rescue is always going to be
35:58
free cuz like, oh, we rescued your life.
36:00
Now you have to pay us $500. That's not
36:02
a good luck.
36:03
>> They do that with ambulances. You get a
36:05
big fat bail after they uh rush you to
36:07
the emergency room.
36:08
>> Yeah. Yeah. Clearly the US healthcare
36:10
industry is a perfect model that Apple
36:12
needs to [laughter] mimic.
36:15
>> Yeah. I I I wouldn't be surprised if
36:16
maybe like sending pictures over
36:18
messages is a paid feature. Or maybe
36:21
they'll enable it for more things, but
36:23
you know, the extra features you'll have
36:25
to pay for maybe they'll roll into Apple
36:27
one. I don't know.
36:30
I'm I'm mostly curious if they just talk
36:31
about it at all this year or if they say
36:33
it's free for everybody for another
36:34
year.
36:34
>> I'm I'm excited about this though, you
36:36
know, like satellite that I think is
36:38
insane that the thing on your wrist can
36:39
connect to a satellite spinning up, you
36:41
know, up in orbit. Just the mindboggling
36:44
science fiction stuff.
36:46
>> Who's going to pay for it though, you
36:47
know? I mean,
36:49
would you just pay for it like this this
36:51
weekend before you go on a hiking trip?
36:53
I mean, uh, you don't really need that
36:57
every day, all day to, you know,
36:59
>> imagine if they spin it up as like a a
37:01
paid service. Like if you travel to
37:03
another country, instead of paying like
37:04
the exorbitant robing fees, you know,
37:07
you can just like get an occasional
37:08
connection to the internet through
37:09
satellite. That would be handy.
37:12
>> Well, right now you can buy a cheap uh
37:14
eim, can't you, for 20 bucks and get
37:15
like unlimited data or whatever
37:18
>> for for for a time for a month or two.
37:21
Um [clears throat]
37:22
>> yeah it uh I mean I think clearly uh if
37:26
this continues to develop and it it you
37:28
know I think that the the networks right
37:30
the cell networks are the ones who are
37:32
who are in big danger from from
37:34
satellites. How much is Starink now?
37:37
Starink is kind of isn't it kind of
37:39
competitive with um a cable provider?
37:43
I think it's like 80 bucks a month or
37:45
something like that,
37:47
>> which is kind, you know, kind of on the
37:48
pricey end, but still somewhat not
37:50
completely out of not like, you know,
37:52
the old days when you had to Oh,
37:54
>> starts at 50 residential 50 bucks, 100
37:57
megabits per second, 200 megabits a
37:59
second, 80 bucks, residential max, 120
38:02
bucks. Yeah. I uh I was thinking I was
38:06
just looking into uh internet in Ohio,
38:09
rural Ohio, and it's like you I could
38:10
actually get fiber to to the house
38:13
there, the Airbnb, but it's it's like
38:17
$85 a month, which just seems like a
38:21
huge amount of money. I mean, it's
38:22
that's almost twice what I pay here in
38:24
San Francisco. And the service is, you
38:26
know, a fraction of what I get here,
38:28
too. So,
38:29
>> but for fiber, I mean, that's like the
38:30
fastest internet you can possibly get. I
38:33
think it's
38:33
>> I wish I had fiber. I I live in a city.
38:35
I moved out of the middle of the nowhere
38:37
to a city and I still don't have fiber.
38:39
It's It's really annoying.
38:41
>> Yeah. I I mean I know I know fiber can
38:44
be good. I I I love the service I have
38:47
here in San Francisco. But I mean
38:48
>> so long as you don't live on the wrong
38:50
street and then oh when are they going
38:52
to bring fiber to like this street of
38:54
four houses?
38:55
>> Yeah. Just wait.
38:57
I mean, I I think in Ohio the the thing
39:00
that I was saying is like 100 megabits
39:01
per second. Here it's like two gigs.
39:06
It's crazy. It's just two gigs up and
39:09
down.
39:10
>> Mhm. Yeah. Excellent service. I've got
39:12
the same one. Sonic. Very very good. All
39:14
right, let's um talk about the iPhone
39:17
home screen, which is um something
39:20
something you can customize, but
39:22
>> Yep. uh if you if you take the the few
39:25
minutes that it that it takes to set it
39:26
up or you can uh live like Leander and
39:29
just uh accumulate 10 pages of apps that
39:32
you never look at uh and don't know how
39:34
to use.
39:35
>> So, [laughter] we're going to do a live
39:38
diagnosis on the show.
39:39
>> It's like first ever
39:41
>> This is weird as like the original goal
39:42
for this how-to segment. It would have
39:43
me, you know, guiding them through a
39:45
process. So, we're going to we're going
39:47
to do that. Uh see see how well this
39:49
works.
39:50
>> So, let's go back to the home screen. As
39:52
you can see, it is a horrible mess.
39:54
>> Okay, so let me just describe what I'm
39:57
looking at here. You have like the
39:58
weather background. Very nice. Like
40:00
light, pleasant, clear, blue sky because
40:02
you're in California. If I were using
40:03
the weather background, it would be sad,
40:05
murky, gray. Uh, and why don't you just
40:07
swipe through a few of those pages that
40:08
we're looking at there?
40:10
>> I don't know if I want to be publicly
40:11
humiliated. Like, [laughter]
40:12
this is the this is the walk of shame.
40:16
>> Oh, look. 133 Facebook notifications.
40:20
>> Yeah. Um, I should say about half of
40:23
these apps have badges. Uh, and half of
40:25
those are in the hundreds.
40:28
[laughter]
40:29
>> Well, like a classical music app,
40:33
>> unopened. Yeah. Like I was saying to
40:36
Griffin that um I never ever use any of
40:38
these screens. Like the only one I use
40:41
is is the first home screen. And if I
40:45
ever want to open an app, I either use
40:47
Siri or I search for it. Um, and I never
40:51
I the the the badges are I'm essentially
40:54
blind to the badges. Like I I don't even
40:57
see that. I can see that there's a red
40:59
dot, but I pay no attention.
41:00
>> There's the one with 6,000 unread
41:02
emails. You You can't tell that.
41:04
>> That is only That's not even actually
41:05
true. That's just in my in inbox or one
41:07
inbox. I think it's several hundred,000
41:09
unread emails. [laughter]
41:11
>> Oh, it's 9,000. Gez. Oh my.
41:13
>> Well, it was up to 220 something
41:15
thousand. And I don't know why it
41:17
changed. I'm not sure what setting I
41:18
changed.
41:19
61 unread slack match. This is not the
41:22
red badge of courage. [laughter]
41:25
>> Oh my,
41:26
>> it's the the scarlet letter. Um,
41:30
>> I'm going to um give you a real pro tip
41:33
here on how to how to organize it, how
41:35
to move a bunch of icons at once. So,
41:37
first what we need to do is we need to
41:39
take like the 12 icons that you actually
41:43
use and drag them to a completely new
41:45
home screen. So, here's what you're
41:48
going to do. You're going to tap and
41:48
hold on, I guess start with Slack. Tap
41:51
the button that says edit home screen.
41:54
So, there's a two-handed way to like
41:57
sort of carry a pile of a bunch of apps
41:59
at once. So, you're going to tap and
42:01
hold on the Slack icon with one hand and
42:03
sort of drag it out of the way. And then
42:05
with your other hand, you're going to
42:08
tap on a second app and add it to the
42:11
pile. Yeah. So, with one hand, you're
42:13
going to hold the Slack icon, and with a
42:15
second hand, tap on a second app icon.
42:18
>> So, I do that. Uh, looking at home
42:21
screen here.
42:22
>> Oh my god.
42:22
>> I'd also pick up mail, maps, maybe
42:26
reminders,
42:29
and just stick with that for now.
42:31
>> It's really fiddly.
42:33
>> It is. It is a little fiddly, but uh it
42:35
does save you a bunch of time.
42:38
So once you have that, swipe all the way
42:40
over and create a new screen and sort of
42:43
just drop those icons there.
42:45
>> Oo, that's way better.
42:47
>> So now what you're going to do, you've
42:48
created a new screen with only those
42:49
four apps on it. Tap on the dots at the
42:52
bottom of the screen. What this will let
42:54
you do now that you have a new screen is
42:57
this will let you delete entire pages at
43:00
once. So you're going to tap on the
43:02
dots. You're gonna uncheck your eight
43:06
pages there. [laughter]
43:08
>> Can I get this back if I want it back?
43:10
>> But I see what you mean.
43:12
>> Yeah, you can if you really want to. And
43:14
then as you uncheck them, uh, you'll see
43:17
a little minus sign on the top and then
43:18
you can delete them.
43:20
>> Okay. Thanks.
43:23
Are you sure I want to move it? No.
43:25
[laughter]
43:26
>> Do I? Okay. What the heck? I guess the
43:30
apps are still there, aren't they? It's
43:31
just a messy screen.
43:32
>> You're not You're not uninstalling them.
43:35
You're just removing your giant pile of
43:36
pages.
43:37
>> Yeah. Well, I haven't looked at them. So
43:39
>> So when you do that, it looks like it
43:41
you had a pop-up that said new apps will
43:43
automatically go to the app library. So
43:45
it's actually changed that setting on
43:46
your behalf. So that means that going
43:48
forwards, anytime you download a new
43:50
app, it's not going to just keep adding
43:52
it to page after page after page. Um
43:55
which is which is good. Uh that means
43:56
that you only have one home screen now.
43:59
Um, so my other piece of advice just
44:02
generally once you figure out like,
44:04
okay, these are the 12 apps that I only
44:06
ever use, I only put icons on like the
44:11
bottom three rows of the screen. And
44:13
this is now much easier in in iOS 26
44:15
because you can just like drag the icons
44:17
to the bottom and you don't have to like
44:20
fill up the top screens and and that's a
44:22
lot nicer. Um because if you think about
44:25
it, what you can actually reach with
44:27
your thumb if you're holding your phone
44:28
in actually either hand is only like the
44:31
bottom two/irds of the screen and you've
44:33
really got like a peak area that's sort
44:35
of like a a curve around where your
44:38
thumb can actually reach. So you should
44:40
put your most important apps like within
44:42
that range. You know, if you imagine
44:44
like a windshield wiper like swiping
44:46
across a windshield. So your most
44:48
important apps should be what's what's
44:49
really easy to reach without like
44:51
stretching your thumb either way.
44:52
Secondly, I mean, if you want more, if
44:54
you want to fill up the space, add a add
44:57
a gigantic widget. Like, that's what I
44:58
use on my own home screen. I have like
45:00
three rows of icons on the bottom and
45:02
then just like one gigantic widget on
45:04
the top. That way, I can still see
45:06
important information, but you know,
45:08
it's like one giant tapable area instead
45:11
of a bunch of icons that I can't even
45:12
reach anyways. So, that is that is
45:14
important tip for making a good home
45:16
screen. Number two, fill the top with a
45:18
gigantic widget.
45:19
>> Which uh which widget do you use? I just
45:22
have a smart stack and that's like
45:25
effectively a bunch of widgets in one.
45:27
So that way it, you know, it shows me
45:28
different things throughout the day. And
45:30
for having specific stuff, what I do, I
45:32
make great use out of like the widget
45:35
screen to the left. The great thing
45:37
about that is that it's like an
45:38
infinitely scrolling list. You can add
45:40
as many widgets there as you want, which
45:42
is super handy. I have a bunch of
45:44
widgets there.
45:45
>> All right. Well, I think I'm going to
45:45
add I'm going to fill it up with a few
45:47
more apps, I think. But uh I'll do that
45:50
after.
45:50
>> And then once you only have like 12 or
45:52
you know 16 apps on your home screen,
45:54
then it's also really easy to make it
45:55
really aesthetically pleasing because
45:57
then you what I do is I arrange them by
45:59
color. So I have like all my blue icons
46:01
on the bottom, you know, reds in one
46:03
corner, whites on the other corner, you
46:05
know, when you when you've only got 12,
46:08
uh it's super easy to arrange it pretty
46:09
nicely.
46:11
>> Yeah, we So how do I actually add more?
46:13
Uh so if I look here, I'm in edit mode.
46:17
If you swipe over to the app library,
46:19
which is now just one swipe away on the
46:21
right, then you can drag icons out of
46:23
there and add them to your home screen.
46:24
>> I see. Okay. What do I want? Let's
46:27
>> If only you had taken a screenshot of
46:29
the ones that you had on your home
46:30
[laughter] screen before.
46:31
>> When you only have one home screen, like
46:33
that's always where you'll come back to.
46:35
You can rely on that. One swipe over,
46:37
you've got your widgets on the left.
46:38
Another swipe over, you have the app
46:40
library on the right. And the app
46:41
library is really intelligent because
46:43
it'll always elevate like apps that it
46:45
thinks you'll use all the time and it
46:48
won't duplicate apps that you have on
46:50
your home screen. So like if you've
46:52
already got Twitter on your home screen,
46:55
then it's not going to put that icon in
46:57
the top of like the social category.
46:59
It'll it'll like phase it out and just
47:00
put, you know, more useful stuff in
47:02
there, like, you know, what's your
47:03
second most used social app? It'll put
47:05
that there, which is really handy. So, I
47:08
also don't waste my time putting folders
47:09
on the home screen because like opening
47:12
and closing a folder is really slow and
47:15
the app library is basically like
47:16
folders for everything else anyways.
47:18
>> Well, uh that's a lot worse [laughter]
47:20
than it was. So, I'm going to be
47:23
fiddling with this the whole afternoon.
47:26
>> Um I think you're going to love it.
47:28
>> I think uh I think you're right. Yeah. I
47:30
was going to say when uh when I was
47:31
reading this how to uh it all made sense
47:35
and it it's like the the thing that I
47:37
think is the most powerful about it is
47:39
the app library is just a swipe away.
47:42
>> You know I'm in the same situation as
47:43
you Leander. I have like five pages of
47:45
of screens. None of which I ever go to.
47:48
None of I can't ever find anything on
47:50
them if I wanted to. Uh and I ne I never
47:54
it takes forever to get to the app
47:55
library. So I rarely use it. I almost
47:58
always search, you I mean, I have a
47:59
handful of apps I tap on my home screen
48:01
every day and then everything else is
48:03
searched. So, I think I think this makes
48:06
a lot of sense and I I'm I'm I haven't
48:08
taken the plunge yet. And I am going to
48:10
take a screenshot of my my home screen
48:12
before I uh delete everything. But, uh
48:14
you know, it's I think it's a cool
48:16
thing. And I I think that it's funny. I
48:18
mean, the app library seems like it
48:20
might actually be a super useful thing.
48:22
I I never I didn't realize that it
48:24
constantly updates and checks against
48:26
what you've got on your other screens.
48:28
So,
48:28
>> honestly, I think it would be cool if
48:29
there's an option to make your app
48:30
library your home screen and just not
48:32
have a home screen, but that's not
48:34
something Apple's added yet.
48:35
>> All right, cool. Yeah, I'm going to play
48:36
around with this Shazam. That's one of
48:39
my favorite apps. I I have I have
48:41
hundreds and hundreds of Shazams and I
48:43
I'm obsessed with Shazaming stuff, you
48:45
know, but then I never ever ever ever go
48:47
back and listen to what I Shazam.
48:50
>> You know what you should do? You should
48:51
replace one of the You should replace
48:52
one of the buttons on your lock screen
48:54
with a Shazam button.
48:56
>> Oh, right. There's another.
48:57
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think
48:58
actually, look, I think I did. That was
49:01
the flashlight, but I I I trained myself
49:03
to um
49:05
>> use the the uh the action button as my
49:08
flashlight button. And to do that, I had
49:10
to remove the the the soft button on the
49:12
home screen. So, I replace it with
49:13
Shazam. There it is. And if I
49:15
>> One of your one of your reminders is
49:16
look at Griffin's videos. [laughter]
49:19
>> Yeah,
49:20
>> I see the uh I see the camera uh the
49:24
camera icon is back there. I thought you
49:26
uh had gotten rid of that so you'd learn
49:28
how to use.
49:28
>> I thought I did, too. So, I don't know
49:30
why it's back there.
49:31
>> The buttons are different for every lock
49:32
screen that you make. So, it might have
49:34
been you did that on a different lock
49:35
screen style.
49:36
>> Oh,
49:36
>> I see. Okay.
49:38
>> All right. Cool. Yeah, that's good. I'm
49:40
looking forward to using the smart
49:41
stack.
49:42
>> I'm not sure how good of a podcast
49:43
segment that was, but you know, we we we
49:46
did some help.
49:47
>> Yeah. Yep. No, cool. Thanks, Griffin. I
49:49
think that was actually helpful. Yeah.
49:51
like Lewis says that again getting the
49:52
app library right there uh might might
49:55
be you know bit the biggest change and
49:57
having having widgets on the on the home
49:59
screen too. Uh let's move into our
50:01
question. We have a question from Wen in
50:03
San Francisco uh via text. Uh Wen says,
50:06
"I got into Apple in the late 1990s, a
50:08
little before Mac OS 9 came out. Since
50:11
then, I've read a lot about how
50:12
necessary it was to go from the old OS
50:14
to Mac OS 10, which made me think,
50:17
weren't the old Mac OS's 10 15 to 20
50:20
years old when they needed to be
50:21
replaced? And now that Mac OS 10 is
50:24
20some years old, will Mac OS 10 need to
50:27
be replaced sometime soon. I'm much more
50:29
of a consumer user who doesn't know the
50:30
coding side of computing, so it's over
50:32
my head. And that's a great question,
50:34
isn't it? You know, he's he's he's
50:36
absolutely right. It's it it should be
50:38
getting a bit creaky. the underlying
50:39
part. No. Right.
50:42
>> If you um if you look back at when Steve
50:44
Jobs introduced Mac OS 10, he was very
50:46
uh conservative about when he said, you
50:48
know, oh yeah, and this will be the next
50:49
the operating system that'll carry us
50:51
for the next 10 years. And here we are
50:53
like over 25 years later. Um the
50:56
important thing to note there's actually
50:58
a book coming out basically about this
51:00
uh very relevant uh next week in fact
51:04
called Steve Jobs in exile that talks
51:07
about you know it's like the counterpart
51:09
to David Pog's um Apple the first 50
51:12
years book which when Steve Jobs was
51:15
exiled from Apple like he just
51:17
disappears and they don't talk about
51:18
next at all in that book because David
51:21
Pog's book is about Apple not Steve
51:22
Jobs. Well, this is like the
51:24
counterpart. It It's like the missing
51:25
chapter. Like what was Steve Jobs doing
51:28
in that time between 1986 and 19996?
51:32
Uh it it covers all of the time that he
51:34
spent at Next and a lot of his time at
51:36
Next was, you know, solving this exact
51:39
problem. Um the early Macintosh
51:42
operating system and in fact pretty much
51:44
every computer operating system from the
51:46
late 70s and early 80s uh that weren't
51:48
on like gigantic workstations
51:51
were by modern definitions barely
51:53
operating systems at all. Basic really
51:56
rudimentary software that could handle
51:59
browsing files, opening files and that's
52:02
just about it. Like dictionary
52:04
definition of an operating system and
52:06
like basically nothing else. The first
52:08
version of Mac OS had to be so radically
52:12
simple to be able to drive like a
52:15
graphic operating system on such a
52:17
constrained system that they had to take
52:19
so many shortcuts with it. Which is why
52:21
at the time like personal computers like
52:24
a completely brand new platform would
52:25
come out every 5 years or so because
52:28
none of these software platforms were
52:29
designed to last longer than that.
52:31
Computers were getting so much faster
52:33
every five years that well why would we
52:34
make our new computer run on the old
52:36
software? it would be so limited and
52:38
broken and it wouldn't it wouldn't serve
52:40
our purposes. And the first few years of
52:42
Next, Steve Jobs was telling everybody,
52:44
"Oh yeah, the Macintosh like it's about
52:46
to hit its peak next year and then it'll
52:48
be done." Um, and as [clears throat] it
52:51
turns out, Apple ended up stretching
52:54
classic Mac OS much longer than they
52:56
should have. They ran into a lot of like
52:58
technical debt around the mid 90s.
53:00
That's when Microsoft started um going
53:03
from their early versions of Windows
53:04
that were running on top of DOSs over to
53:06
Windows NT which has been powering
53:09
Windows ever since like you know the the
53:12
mid9s. And when Steve Jobs was
53:14
developing NextStep which eventually
53:15
became like the foundation for Mac OS
53:17
10. Um almost every decision that he
53:21
made was how can we make the most
53:25
reliable
53:26
software platform that will that will
53:29
run indefinitely into the future.
53:31
[laughter]
53:32
uh which is partly why Next failed as a
53:35
computer company because they were
53:37
making so many long-term bets on you
53:40
know on a startup that really needed
53:42
some shorter term solutions as in like
53:45
you know we need to sell more than 20
53:47
computers a month. Uh, but the
53:50
foundation that that Mac OS 10 started
53:52
like they they built a modern operating
53:54
system that can scale. Like once you can
53:57
build an operating system that's as
53:58
modular as Mac OS 10 is, you kind of
54:01
don't need anything better than that.
54:03
>> It's based on Unix, isn't it? And like
54:06
you said, they can update bits and
54:09
pieces without overhauling the whole
54:11
thing and
54:13
>> it remains current. So like quite quite
54:16
some big pretty big sections of the OS
54:18
have already been updated and replaced,
54:20
haven't they?
54:21
>> Yeah. Like Unix has its roots like back
54:23
into the 60s like on you know gigantic
54:26
rooms sized machines, giant workstations
54:29
that they were designed to be
54:30
distributed across like many computers
54:32
have like different terminals and all
54:33
that. Like the innovation of NextStep
54:35
was that it brought that like
54:37
workstation level software architecture
54:40
down to something that can run on an
54:41
individual computer. And you so it was
54:44
designed always from the start to be
54:45
incredibly modular and futurep proofed.
54:48
And
54:49
>> I mean it it powers everything from your
54:51
AirPods to the Mac Pro and everything in
54:53
between. Um you know they they've
54:56
they've modified it on the Vision Pro to
54:58
work with like a real-time operating
54:59
system for for virtual reality. They've
55:02
adapted it to work on the next
55:04
generation CarPlay which runs in in like
55:06
on cars. So,
55:08
>> right, it's on Apple TV, Apple Watch,
55:11
>> everything, all those products. But it
55:13
does bring up a good, you know, like and
55:15
I mean, we're just talking about Siri at
55:17
Dubdub DC. Um, you know, couldn't you
55:20
make the argument that that this next
55:22
generation Siri might be the operating
55:24
system or the beginning of the operating
55:26
system of the future?
55:27
>> If there were to be a seismic change in
55:29
Mac OS 10, it wouldn't be on the
55:31
foundation of the operating system. Like
55:32
the mock micro kernel is still exactly
55:35
what you would need. any changes that we
55:38
would see to the Mac operating system
55:40
would be on like only the highest level
55:42
>> and it still run all this stuff under
55:43
the under the hood.
55:46
>> All right, good question from Keen.
55:48
>> So, if you if you'd like to read more,
55:50
check out Steve Jobs in Exile by Jeffrey
55:52
Kane or read my review that I'm probably
55:54
going to write next week.
55:55
>> All right. Is that a good book?
55:57
>> It is. It is. I can't say more yet. Let
56:00
uh let's move on to the review section
56:02
where Griffin is going to be part three
56:04
of um of um some exercise equipment that
56:07
he was sent.
56:08
>> What are we going to be talking about
56:08
this week?
56:10
>> What the heck? [laughter]
56:13
The So, the final piece of exercise
56:15
equipment I was sent is an adult
56:19
trampoline.
56:22
I I I again I [snorts] your guess as to
56:24
why I was sent these things is as good
56:26
as mine. Um, it's like a, you know,
56:29
individual like trampoline.
56:32
I don't know. I' say about like, it's
56:35
surprisingly tall. Like what? It sits
56:36
like 2 feet off the two feet off the
56:38
ground. It's got like a big handle on it
56:40
that you can, you know, like grab onto
56:43
and like a phone mount on top of that.
56:46
Um, and it's like a workout trampoline
56:49
that is, you know, indoors, obviously.
56:52
Uh, so I I recorded a video of myself
56:55
working on it. So, if you're watching
56:56
the YouTube video, you can enjoy that.
57:00
Um
57:00
>> Oh my god, you're going to hit your head
57:02
on the ceiling.
57:03
>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm not particularly
57:05
tall, but and I don't have particularly
57:06
short ceilings, but you know, you get
57:09
pretty high on it. Really? Uh kind of
57:11
surprising.
57:12
>> Yeah, you do get pretty high on it, I'm
57:14
sure. Uh so this is just like the Mr.
57:16
Show for people who don't have the
57:17
video. Uh Griffin jumping there, jumping
57:21
on the trampoline. Well, the the most
57:23
disturbing part is why are you
57:24
exercising in your regular clothes?
57:25
Don't you have any shorts and a t-shirt?
57:28
This is the same last week when you were
57:30
exercising on the rowing machine. You
57:31
had your your button down shirt on.
57:33
>> Well, this is what I wear on the
57:34
podcast. You know,
57:35
>> it's just uniform.
57:36
>> Yeah.
57:36
>> So, I you know what I'm really
57:38
disappointed by?
57:40
>> You don't have a round room that's just
57:42
slightly bigger than that with a ceiling
57:44
that's 20 ft high
57:45
>> and padded.
57:47
>> Yeah. Yeah. That'd be great.
57:48
>> Would you like to fall off it and hurt
57:50
yourself? I I didn't fall off. You know,
57:52
it's got that that grab handle there.
57:54
So, um pretty easy to assemble. Uh it's
57:57
got like eight legs that you just screw
57:59
in and then you basically just screw in
58:00
the handle and that's about it. Um the
58:03
the like the the trampoline pad itself
58:07
comes like pre-attached with like the
58:09
like stretchy nylon cord on it. They
58:12
come with in the box with like several
58:14
different cords that have like, you
58:17
know, different strengths if you need
58:20
something with less resistance or more
58:21
resistance. Um, and they have like a
58:24
whole table of like different weights
58:27
and like strengths and everything that I
58:29
couldn't really make heads or tails of,
58:30
so I just stuck with the default one. I
58:32
didn't try switching it out. Um, it
58:35
seemed pretty good enough for me. Um,
58:39
I've had like multiple people on there
58:40
at once, you know, so it supports like
58:42
high
58:42
>> multiple people.
58:44
>> What?
58:44
>> Yeah. Uh, it's tight because it's not
58:46
very big, but uh I I wanted to test the
58:49
test the weight strength on the default.
58:51
>> Well, the most fun thing on the
58:52
trampoline is when you jump up in the
58:54
end, then you land on your butt, right?
58:56
And then you go flying back up and or or
58:59
on your knees.
59:00
>> Yeah.
59:01
>> You know, I didn't try that because it's
59:03
kind of small and I didn't want to hurt
59:05
myself.
59:06
>> [laughter]
59:07
>> Yeah.
59:08
>> What what is the benefit of this?
59:11
>> You know, I was trying to work that out
59:12
as well. Uh what I've found in my
59:15
experience is that, you know, I' I've
59:16
had a bunch of people over and everybody
59:18
like wants to try it for about 10
59:20
seconds and then you get bored. Uh I
59:23
think recording this video for the
59:24
podcast here was the longest continuous
59:27
amount of time I was on it. And I'll be
59:29
honest, it was it was pretty torturous.
59:32
I [laughter] did not want to be on it
59:34
that long. Um, I'm not really sure what
59:36
it works out. It I I feel it in my
59:39
calves and only my calves. Um, and then
59:44
the next day my
59:46
>> It did. It did. Um, and then the next
59:48
day my arms and shoulders were sore. So,
59:51
>> I I guess it works out those a bit, too.
59:54
>> Uh, it's it's all like cardio, I guess.
59:58
And if you wanted to do cardio, why
1:00:00
wouldn't you just go on a treadmill? I
1:00:03
don't know. You can do it bouncing up
1:00:05
and down as well. [laughter] Um, holy
1:00:09
moly, listen to this. Trampoline
1:00:11
workouts or rebounding offer a highly
1:00:15
efficient, low impact full body exercise
1:00:17
that improves cardiovascular fitness,
1:00:19
increases bone density, boosts lymphatic
1:00:23
circulation, and builds core strength,
1:00:25
all while burning significant calories.
1:00:28
[snorts]
1:00:28
>> What the
1:00:29
>> Okay. So, I guess it doesn't
1:00:31
>> I'm stunned to see that. Yeah, it comes
1:00:34
in the box with special socks you can
1:00:36
put on that have like grips on the
1:00:39
bottom, you know, grippy socks
1:00:40
[laughter] so you don't so you don't
1:00:41
slip, I suppose. I didn't think it was
1:00:44
that slippery on my socks, but on my
1:00:46
regular socks, but I I tried wearing
1:00:47
those. They're not good for I mean, I
1:00:50
don't have huge feet, but uh they're
1:00:52
they're clearly designed for someone
1:00:53
with like I don't know, maybe like a
1:00:54
size nine or size eight foot. Uh because
1:00:57
like the the the grippy pattern ends
1:01:00
like a little bit before my my heel
1:01:02
ends. So there's that. I guess
1:01:06
>> you know it doesn't look like you're
1:01:07
really getting after it either though. I
1:01:09
mean you know you should be doing David
1:01:10
Lee Roth style uh [laughter] you know
1:01:12
flying splits.
1:01:14
>> Yeah.
1:01:16
>> I'm I'm not sure like am I supposed to
1:01:18
be like grabbing the handle the whole
1:01:20
time? At some points I go like handsree
1:01:22
on it. Sometimes it's just like one
1:01:25
hand. I don't know how much I'm supposed
1:01:26
to be holding on to that or not. Um,
1:01:29
>> I bet not. I bet that's just there for
1:01:31
like when you start to lose it.
1:01:33
>> Yeah. [snorts] Yeah.
1:01:34
>> When your legs tend to jelly.
1:01:36
>> The uh the the the phone grip on it
1:01:38
isn't that useful because it's like
1:01:42
again like down by your waist and also
1:01:44
you're bouncing up and down. So I, you
1:01:47
know, just like with the rowing machine,
1:01:48
I was watching Jeopardy uh as I was
1:01:50
doing this and um [laughter] you know,
1:01:52
make sure I get like about 20 minutes or
1:01:54
so. And uh I I didn't really know what
1:01:56
was going on the the whole time. Um I
1:01:59
probably should have put it on like the
1:02:01
TV on like a far window or something.
1:02:03
>> I think audio is uh your your best bet
1:02:06
with the trampoline.
1:02:07
>> Yeah. Yeah. You know, or a TV that's far
1:02:10
away and uh you know, less bouncing.
1:02:15
Um it it's it's very solidly built. I I
1:02:18
was confident that it wouldn't like
1:02:20
break apart as I was on it. So, you
1:02:22
know, as far as trampolines go, it's a
1:02:24
good one. Um, if if you like that sort
1:02:27
of thing.
1:02:28
>> You didn't it didn't it didn't uh it's
1:02:30
not part of your your workout regime now
1:02:32
then, huh?
1:02:34
>> I don't think so. Um, it's available
1:02:36
from fedfitness.com for $356,
1:02:41
which
1:02:42
>> it's oddly specific number.
1:02:44
>> Um, a bit higher than the rowing
1:02:45
machine. I think I would just take the
1:02:47
rowing machine uh as a recommendation to
1:02:50
others. Um, but everybody's interested
1:02:53
in it and everybody's like excited when
1:02:55
they when they see it sitting in my
1:02:57
living room. They're like, "Oh, they
1:02:58
want to try it." Uh, they don't want to
1:03:00
try it for very long. But, you know,
1:03:01
it's it's a good conversation piece.
1:03:05
>> How many people did you get on it?
1:03:06
>> I I' I've had it for a couple months
1:03:08
now. So, now
1:03:09
>> how many people did you get on it
1:03:10
simultaneously? You said you had like
1:03:12
some type situation.
1:03:15
[laughter]
1:03:15
>> Uh, no more than two. I mean, again,
1:03:17
it's not it's not very big. I have the
1:03:19
40inch one. So, yeah, not not not super
1:03:22
wide. And it comes in uh both white and
1:03:24
black. So,
1:03:26
>> can you fold it up at all to um stash it
1:03:28
away or
1:03:30
>> No, you can take the handle off and that
1:03:32
would make it a little shorter, but
1:03:33
that's about it. Doesn't doesn't fold
1:03:35
up.
1:03:35
>> I'm honestly kind of glad that it
1:03:37
doesn't because I wouldn't want it to
1:03:38
like feel rickety. But, uh there you go.
1:03:40
An adult trampoline. I guess I'll take
1:03:43
any other questions you have.
1:03:45
[laughter]
1:03:46
>> Actually, there you go. This is a good
1:03:47
point. If anyone has any questions about
1:03:49
this adult trampoline, I'm sure you do,
1:03:51
please send him to cult podcast
1:03:53
[laughter] at iicloud.com and Griffin
1:03:55
will will uh will, you know, maybe he
1:03:58
can do a a video next week [music]
1:04:00
answering, you know, whether you can do
1:04:01
certain things on it or not.
1:04:04
>> You know, I'll maybe I'll try doing some
1:04:06
some flips and tricks and stuff. We'll
1:04:08
see.
1:04:08
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think you
1:04:10
should
1:04:11
>> don't encourage him.
1:04:11
>> Get the triple Lindy.
1:04:14
[laughter]
1:04:14
>> Yeah.
1:04:16
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1:04:18
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