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0:00
Coming up, Apple's big price hikes hit
0:03
hard, what iOS will look like on the
0:05
folding iPhone, changes in iOS 27 beta
0:08
2, what to do if you're stuck on the
0:10
Siri wait list, and all about how you
0:12
can podcast and live stream from a Mac.
0:18
Welcome to the Cult of Mac podcast. I'm
0:20
your host D. Griffin Jones. Joining me
0:22
today is not Lewis Wallace, he's in
0:25
Italy.
0:26
Uh Leander Kahney
0:28
unexpectedly unexpectedly uh decided not
0:31
to do the show. Is this a solo podcast?
0:33
No. I am joined by the excellent Mika
0:37
Sargent. Welcome.
0:38
>> Hi, thank you for having me. I am uh
0:41
thrilled to be here.
0:42
>> I am very thrilled that you're here as
0:44
well.
0:45
>> [laughter]
0:46
>> Otherwise, it'd just be you. That
0:47
wouldn't be any good.
0:48
>> Nope.
0:49
>> Well, I mean, it could be. I don't know.
0:50
Now now I kind of want to see what that
0:51
show would look like.
0:53
>> [laughter]
0:53
>> Bye, I have to go. No, I'm kidding. I'm
0:55
kidding.
0:56
>> So, how are you doing, broadly?
0:58
>> I'm
0:59
uh I'm doing well. Yeah. Um
1:02
you know, it's it's it's been a while
1:04
since I have done a podcast that was not
1:08
my own. And so, when I got the email, I
1:11
thought, yes, this is great. This is
1:13
good. We should step out and and and
1:16
chat with some other folks. So, uh yeah,
1:18
it's I'm I'm honored to be here with you
1:20
today.
1:21
>> Let's jump right into it. This is the
1:24
You know, I whenever uh I prepare the
1:25
show notes, I I always start them on
1:27
like Tuesday, and I get always send
1:29
myself into a panic because I'm like, oh
1:30
my god, there's no news to talk about.
1:32
I'm always thankful for like a a a
1:34
Thursday morning breaking news piece.
1:37
That's what we got this week. The thing
1:40
we've all been dreading, the price hikes
1:42
on all these Apple products just hit us.
1:44
Why don't you tell us about it?
1:45
>> Yeah, so it has happened. Uh we of
1:47
course got a little warning ahead of
1:49
time. It was interesting to see Tim Cook
1:52
uh sort of put out the news that Apple
1:55
would be raising its prices, especially
1:57
given the CEO transition. It felt like,
1:59
"Hey, Tim, could you maybe handle this?"
2:01
He said, "Good morning. We're We're
2:03
hiking prices." And so, we've been
2:06
prepared for that, right?
2:07
>> not a good morning.
2:08
>> It was not. It was a bad morning, and
2:10
that was this morning. Um Apple says
2:14
that
2:15
prices have been raised, and frankly,
2:17
most devices
2:20
uh that are raised have
2:22
gone up 50 to $100, sometimes even more.
2:26
Um happy to see that iPhone prices,
2:30
Apple Watch prices, and AirPods prices
2:31
remain unchanged. I don't think I'm
2:34
surprised about that, right? Those are
2:36
the Those are the the hits. Those are
2:38
the the ones that people can kind of
2:40
quickly buy, but
2:42
Macs, iPads, even the HomePod, the Apple
2:45
TV, what? Oof. All going up in price.
2:49
And um I think what became quickly kind
2:52
of like a
2:53
a darling among those of us who cover
2:55
Apple, the MacBook Neo,
2:58
uh is $699 instead of $599. Did that
3:01
surprise you that that went up?
3:03
>> No, because it's that's such a
3:05
low-margin device, I assume.
3:09
Uh it had it had much less wiggle room
3:12
to play with. But then again, all of the
3:14
devices that you would assume do have
3:15
that wiggle room also went up
3:17
significantly in price. So.
3:19
>> [laughter]
3:19
>> Frankly, it was a little depressing. I I
3:22
perhaps have been a little bit in denial
3:24
about the impact that uh that AI
3:29
generative AI is having on on tech. And
3:32
you know, I like to to buy and try new
3:34
tech from time to time. And so, uh you
3:37
know, I've got like a a 3D printer
3:39
behind me. And uh I've you know, I like
3:42
to to tinker. And I thought, "This is
3:44
going to be fine. The stuff that I am
3:46
interested in, it'll be fine." And then
3:49
I saw um
3:51
was it It was the valve uh the
3:55
>> Steam machine
3:56
>> Yeah, the Steam machine that the price
3:58
got released for that and I thought
3:59
my heart.
4:00
>> They they said the original price was
4:02
supposed to be $750,
4:04
which is already a little high. But I
4:06
mean they said that they weren't going
4:07
to
4:09
amortize the price or subsidize the
4:10
price of the hardware. So they're
4:12
selling it at cost and so it is a little
4:14
higher than you know, Xbox PlayStation.
4:16
But then they said oh the new price
4:18
adjusted for the shortages over a
4:20
thousand dollars.
4:22
>> Yeah, and that that made me sad and so I
4:25
don't know. I just I got I had to face
4:28
the reality of the situation I think
4:29
this morning and that's where
4:32
it finally clicked and it made me think
4:35
about
4:37
you know, that especially with the with
4:39
the Neo being the price that it was it
4:42
was this device where I said okay, if
4:43
someone in my family ended up needing a
4:45
machine and I
4:50
wanted to help out
4:51
buy this send it to them. They're good
4:53
to go.
4:55
It hasn't gone up a whole lot in
4:57
comparison, but still it starts to creep
4:59
towards a thousand dollars and you're
5:01
like oof.
5:01
>> The price went up, but honestly it was
5:03
such a good price before that I think
5:04
the MacBook Neo is still very reasonable
5:06
at $699 honestly. Like that's the price
5:08
that I thought it was going to be before
5:10
they announced it.
5:11
>> Yeah, I know that's fair. That that's a
5:12
good point. Yeah, we were kind of caught
5:14
off guard by the price that originally
5:17
was there. There's also of course
5:21
you know, what we saw leading up to this
5:23
shortages in the number of devices that
5:26
were available the the different
5:27
configurations that were available.
5:30
I I'm currently dealing with trying to
5:36
reasonably upgrade my network attached
5:39
storage and the storage costs and the
5:44
surrounding factors are all
5:46
not great right now either. And so it
5:49
just feels like all of the ways that
5:51
people can either upgrade their devices
5:53
or now purchase devices are all it's
5:56
it's all starting to fall in on us and
5:59
yeah, that's no fun.
6:00
>> The timing of this with Amazon Prime Day
6:03
week is is interesting. Like if I mean,
6:07
you have like today and tomorrow, you
6:09
can see what the new prices are if
6:10
you're interested in a new computer. The
6:12
prices on Amazon are still unchanged. So
6:14
all of the deals that you know, people
6:16
have been posting. I mean, if you need a
6:18
computer not now but like within the
6:20
next two or three years. Um
6:23
I hope you have $2,000 to buy a Mac Pro.
6:26
>> Yeah, seriously. Cuz looking at the rest
6:28
of the prices,
6:30
the MacBook Air lineup prices rising
6:33
from $1099 to $1299. MacBook Pro really
6:37
hit hard. The base M5 is $1999. That's a
6:42
$400 increase. The 14-in MacBook Pro
6:47
with the M5 Pro chip starts at $2499.
6:50
That's the 16-in model $2999.
6:54
You got 3K? I hope you do.
6:57
And then and then up from there. I mean,
7:00
look
7:01
there was some expectation that it was
7:04
going to kind of hurt. But I think
7:07
what's hard for me is
7:09
if you've made the purchase up to this
7:11
point
7:12
and then suddenly it costs this much
7:14
more.
7:15
It's it's hard to at least for me want
7:18
to buy something now because I know it
7:20
didn't used to cost as much and I'm
7:21
going, well, maybe I can hold out until
7:23
things get back to normal. Um I mean,
7:27
I'm also curious. I know we'll talk
7:29
about hardware a little bit later in the
7:30
show. But if someone comes to you right
7:34
now Griffin and says,
7:36
I am thinking about getting a new
7:39
machine.
7:40
Are you telling them they should wait or
7:42
are you telling them, "Well, go ahead,
7:45
but it's going to hurt."?
7:46
>> I'd be curious to see how the used
7:47
market plays out, if those prices go up
7:50
as well. If you weren't interested in
7:52
buying a brand new Mac anyways, if you
7:54
don't need like, you know, the M5, are
7:56
the are the M2, M3 prices going to go
7:58
up? Because those are still excellent
7:59
computers. I mean, I have an M2 Pro Mac
8:01
mini, and it's
8:02
it's still serving me well. Like, I
8:04
don't know I don't think I'll have to
8:05
replace it before 2030.
8:07
>> Remember how during the pandemic, the
8:10
the you know, the deepest throes of a
8:12
pandemic anyway, uh the
8:15
the used car market just like sailed.
8:19
They they everything was you could sell
8:21
a
8:22
junker and make a bunch of money off of
8:24
it.
8:25
You're talking about sort of the used
8:26
space. Yeah, that is an interesting
8:28
thing. What if I could if I have
8:32
an M5 Mac, and I've got one from earlier
8:37
on that I've just kept, and I could get
8:40
away with using that earlier one and
8:41
make a bunch of money. I mean, yeah, I'm
8:43
I wouldn't be surprised if eBay is full
8:46
of very [clears throat] expensive
8:48
devices right now,
8:50
that just come in a little bit under
8:52
perhaps the cost that you're seeing
8:53
there. Cuz yeah, I could if if I didn't
8:55
as you said, if you don't need the most
8:57
recent one, and you bought it for that
9:00
cheaper price, and you could sell it for
9:03
just under what Apple's charging for the
9:04
same thing.
9:06
Yeah, you could end up making some
9:07
money. Um
9:09
we we didn't talk specifically about
9:14
the kind of
9:15
other aspects, cuz the computers, right?
9:18
Easy to see that we've got the RAM
9:20
upgrades costing a lot of money, the
9:23
the storage costing a lot of money in
9:25
just these devices in general. But
9:28
HomePod mini, full-size HomePod, 30 and
9:30
50 dollars more respectively. Apple TV
9:32
4K, 50 dollars more expensive than
9:35
before. It's already pricey and it's the
9:39
one that I still recommend to everyone
9:42
as a set-top box because everyone that I
9:44
know is is in the Apple ecosystem, but I
9:47
already am in this space of like "Yeah,
9:49
I really think you should get the Apple
9:50
TV, but I don't I don't want you to
9:52
think I'm a bougie
9:54
uh jerk for recommending this." Now,
9:57
they'll go and they look and they see
9:58
it's $50 more than it was, they're like,
10:00
"Who do you think I am? I don't have a
10:02
champagne fountain in my house."
10:05
>> This This feels like preemptive. Like,
10:07
they don't really want to sell of what,
10:09
3-4 year-old Apple TV for $250, but this
10:12
is like they want to put the new price
10:14
in now so that when they roll out a new
10:16
one in the fall, it's not like, "And
10:17
this one
10:19
which is the the same as before except
10:21
with Apple intelligence is $50 more."
10:24
They don't want that to be the story.
10:25
>> Yeah, that's true. They're They're going
10:27
ahead and putting the water into the pot
10:29
for all of us frogs and starting it
10:30
boiling now instead of later. So, it's
10:33
not as much of a shock, right? Uh
10:35
now, uh the iPad Pro has gone up and
10:39
last but not least, can you believe it?
10:41
Even the Vision Pro has gone up in
10:44
price. Uh so, good luck getting that. I
10:47
don't know, scrape together the coins
10:49
under your mattress because it's What is
10:52
it? 3 3699
10:54
before 3499.
10:56
>> I mean, relatively speaking
10:58
compared to the overall price of the
10:59
product, that's not a dramatic increase.
11:01
Like, adding $200 to $4,000
11:04
for the 1 TB model, like
11:06
>> It's funny money.
11:07
>> Yeah.
11:07
>> At that point. Do you have a Vision Pro?
11:09
>> I do have a Vision Pro.
11:11
>> Which one?
11:12
>> The M2.
11:13
>> Aha.
11:14
And
11:15
>> I I tried out the M5 and honestly, like
11:19
they they said it had like the slightly
11:20
better visual fidelity. I couldn't
11:22
really tell the difference. Um
11:24
I mean, I I wear glasses anyways, so
11:27
I probably probably just couldn't even
11:28
see it, but um
11:30
the I I
11:31
I did notice like if you have more than
11:33
like four or five apps open at once, the
11:36
M51 is so much smoother.
11:38
Uh
11:39
you know, like Safari windows don't just
11:41
like go gray in the background or force
11:43
reload as much. Especially with widgets,
11:45
like widgets are so much better on the
11:46
M51. Like the performance is a lot
11:48
better, but I was like but is it $4,000
11:51
better when I already have the M2 one?
11:53
Absolutely not.
11:55
>> [laughter]
11:56
>> Um I know with with Clockwise, the
11:59
format of the show is very structured.
12:01
And so I've always been very careful
12:03
about asking these secondary questions,
12:05
but it's really nice to just get to go,
12:07
"Oh, and you're talking about this thing
12:08
and I'm curious about it." Uh with the
12:10
with the Vision Pro, I'm sure that
12:13
you've talked about this on the show
12:14
before, but
12:16
um just as an aside,
12:19
is this something you use regularly? Is
12:21
it more of a of a a beautiful visual
12:23
piece that that sits in your room or in
12:26
your office?
12:26
>> I watch um
12:28
I mean, the thing about it is like, "Oh,
12:29
you know, it's the best way to watch TV
12:30
and movies, but you can't share it with
12:32
anybody else." Well, for watching the
12:33
shows that only I care about and nobody
12:35
else in the house is interested in,
12:36
like, yeah, I'm going to watch For All
12:38
Mankind and 1970s Doctor Who in this.
12:41
Absolutely not what it was designed for,
12:43
but you know what? It's it's really
12:44
great for that.
12:45
>> [laughter]
12:46
>> I I watch shows in it. I I honestly do
12:48
like a lot of writing work in there.
12:49
It's so much better like not being
12:51
distracted by, you know, everything in
12:54
the world on my Mac um because my my
12:57
philosophy of using my Mac is I just
12:59
want to fill the screen with as many
13:01
windows as possible, and that comes to
13:02
bite me when I'm distracted and I can't
13:03
get anything done. So
13:05
>> Oh my goodness, I'm the same way. If you
13:07
give me the real estate to spread out, I
13:09
will. I'm like a what is
13:11
like a goldfish in a larger Or is it a
13:14
shark in a bigger pond?
13:15
>> Yeah, yeah.
13:16
>> I will I will grow to fill the space.
13:18
>> But honestly, like window management is
13:19
so bad in visionOS that like it forces
13:21
It's like I actively don't want to see
13:23
more than three things at once. And so I
13:25
just have Safari, secondary Safari
13:27
window, and then Slack, and that's it.
13:29
And I get a lot of writing done that
13:30
way.
13:31
>> I wonder if that's why I actually like
13:33
my MacBook Air is because it forces me
13:36
it's it's one screen and it forces me to
13:40
be more
13:41
more choosy about it versus here where
13:43
I've got all these windows open right
13:44
now. Um
13:46
anything else that we want to say about
13:47
these prices? I mean we we knew they
13:49
were coming. We knew they were going to
13:51
be pretty brutal. We knew that um
13:55
it was
13:56
a reflection of the cost of of
14:00
generative AI's purchase of so much
14:02
hardware. I'm sure that the company is
14:05
moving to do what they can what it can
14:08
to try to improve these prices and it'll
14:11
be interesting to see um
14:14
how
14:15
they deal with it going forward. I
14:19
Isn't Is it next year that's supposed to
14:21
be the year of a bunch of new hardware?
14:24
Yeah.
14:25
>> I think a lot of the the things that
14:26
they they have been working on they've
14:27
been sitting on for a while and they
14:29
could have released this year, but I
14:30
think they're pushing it back.
14:31
Like like the glasses, the smart home
14:33
display hub thing that we don't even
14:35
really know what it is. I think that's
14:37
supposed to be next year as well.
14:38
Honestly, like we touched on this in the
14:40
beginning, iPhone, Apple Watch, and
14:42
AirPods are untouched. I wonder if
14:46
the high prices on all of the other
14:47
products are sort of subsidizing those
14:50
so they don't have to touch that. That's
14:52
what I'm wondering.
14:53
>> That's a you see because I was thinking
14:56
there's already got to be some strategy
14:58
to having those not get a price hike,
15:01
right? Even that on its own. And when
15:03
you look at them you go, "Okay, yes. You
15:05
want everybody to be able to walk in and
15:07
buy a pair of AirPods and not have to
15:10
think too much about it. Get more people
15:11
AirPods, etc." But
15:14
if it means that the people who already
15:16
don't care too much if it's a through
15:19
$3,600 configuration or a $4,200
15:23
configuration can subsidize the cost for
15:26
those interesting
15:28
universal basic income. I'm just
15:30
kidding.
15:30
>> [laughter]
15:32
>> I mean like if you think about AirPods
15:33
don't I mean yeah, they are computers,
15:35
but they don't have that much storage
15:36
and RAM. So that can probably be I don't
15:39
know how much like the I'm really
15:40
curious how much the component price
15:41
goes up on AirPods, but like I mean
15:43
iPhone
15:44
as much as Apple likes to pretend not to
15:46
they do have RAM. They are computers.
15:48
>> Yeah. Yeah.
15:49
>> Uh
15:49
>> Yeah, the iPhone totally has to be
15:51
getting subsidized in some way or you
15:54
know, the balance sheet is definitely
15:56
the they're they've crunched extra
15:57
numbers to make that not have to change.
15:59
I mean because already we've seen
16:02
commentary, I guess on the cost of the
16:05
iPhone and how often
16:09
uh you know, you look towards these
16:10
different deals that you can do and the
16:11
the payment plans and it gets people
16:14
looking away from the fact that these
16:15
are uh more than a thousand dollars to
16:19
to purchase and in some cases it goes,
16:21
you know, even more and so
16:24
an already expensive device becoming
16:26
more expensive when this is supposed to
16:28
be the device that's you know, a billion
16:30
phones in people's pockets, y'all is
16:33
it needs I think it needs to still be
16:35
accessible. So I'm not surprised, but I
16:37
like what you said cuz it is true. It
16:39
does feel like Apple tries to go, you
16:41
don't need to worry about RAM. RAM what?
16:42
RAM who?
16:43
>> The entry-level Pro iPhone has been $999
16:46
since 2017, which I hate to remind you
16:49
is 9 years ago.
16:50
>> Ooh.
16:52
That math I don't like.
16:53
>> I mean for the for the inflation like it
16:55
it hasn't just held value. It's
16:57
significantly gone down in value.
16:59
And they can't do that forever.
17:02
So I I mean the
17:03
I I think the next question is like when
17:06
the new iPhones come out in September,
17:07
do they have higher prices or not? I'm
17:09
guessing they will, but probably not
17:11
that much. Like maybe a hundred dollars.
17:12
They're going to try and keep that as
17:13
low as they can, I think.
17:15
>> Okay, that's interesting because when I
17:17
saw this
17:19
excuse me, I was expecting that they
17:21
would try to keep the prices the same,
17:23
but your prediction is that they will
17:25
raise the prices, but not by perhaps as
17:28
much as we've seen with the MacBooks,
17:30
MacBook Pro, right?
17:32
>> Okay, interesting. I was I guess again,
17:35
there I go being hopeful.
17:37
>> [laughter]
17:37
>> I mean then again, like they could just
17:38
wait another month before they they
17:40
touch those products.
17:41
>> That's true.
17:42
That's true. Huh.
17:44
>> It's their company. They're allowed to
17:45
they're allowed to do these things
17:46
whenever they want.
17:48
Unfortunately, no.
17:49
>> [laughter]
17:50
>> Yeah, that's that's a good point. Well,
17:52
we knew it was coming and it's
17:54
unfortunate and good luck.
17:56
>> [laughter]
17:57
>> Yep.
17:58
>> Frankly.
17:59
>> Let's talk about the folding iPhone. So
18:02
this is an an interesting little little
18:04
tidbit in in in macOS Golden Gate,
18:07
the iPhone mirroring window
18:10
you can now freely resize. Like they're
18:11
trying to prime developers for hey, you
18:13
should make sure your apps work,
18:16
you know, if they can just be like much
18:18
bigger, you know, like iPad size for
18:20
reasons. Don't think about it too much,
18:22
but you know,
18:23
just in case
18:25
you should you should make sure this
18:26
works. And so I'm I am a fool who
18:29
installed both iOS 27 and macOS Golden
18:31
Gate on day one. Naturally, as as one
18:34
does.
18:35
The machine that I'm podcasting from
18:36
right now.
18:38
Uh
18:38
>> Oh, okay, well, you're a little bit more
18:40
risky than I am, okay.
18:42
>> So what I've done is
18:44
I just went through a bunch of Apple's
18:46
apps, took a bunch of screenshots to see
18:49
what does it look like on folding iPhone
18:51
size. So you know, all of Apple's
18:52
built-in apps so we can get a sense of
18:53
what this looks like cuz you know, we've
18:54
had the we we've seen images, we feel
18:56
like we know the design, we have like
18:58
the 3D printed mockups and so what I did
19:01
is I I got my little 3D printed mockup
19:04
folding iPhone. I sort of
19:07
held it against my computer screen and
19:09
then I just dragged the window until it
19:11
was that size and so now we can see well
19:13
this is what the folding iPhone will
19:15
look like assuming the dimensions of the
19:16
screen and everything are accurate. So
19:18
we can get a an idea. So I've I've got a
19:21
little visual tour here. There's you
19:22
know apps like notes or mail that sort
19:26
of have this
19:27
column of things on the left that you
19:28
choose from and then you can see the
19:29
content on the right like the sort of
19:31
split layout. They they preserve that
19:33
two column layout just like an just like
19:35
an iPad mini.
19:37
So you can you know you can scroll
19:38
through all your notes on the left see
19:39
the contents on the right and these
19:41
these apps work really well. They
19:43
translate super easily to the folding
19:44
iPhone.
19:45
The sort of left most column for all
19:47
like your mailboxes or your folders of
19:49
notes
19:50
that sort of slides in temporarily from
19:53
the side.
19:54
And you know
19:55
exactly like an iPad right? Like only
19:57
the largest iPads have that permanent
20:00
three column layout. I think we can
20:02
expect the folding iPhone to be the
20:03
same.
20:04
>> I want to hear your thoughts
20:05
>> Mhm.
20:06
>> on the obviousness of this. I think one
20:09
thing I'm kind of bad at is
20:12
uh history.
20:13
And so I don't want to make any
20:16
assertions about whether there's been
20:19
something as obvious as this before.
20:22
This just feels very obvious and we're
20:26
all kind of doing the wink wink nudge
20:27
nudge of yes this this is for developers
20:30
to get ready to
20:32
to prepare for an an iPhone that folds.
20:35
Can you remember any other times where
20:37
Apple has been this direct while still
20:40
being indirect or
20:42
>> There've been a number of times actually
20:44
um
20:45
I wrote a blog post about this on my on
20:46
my personal website going through a
20:47
number of these examples. Like that the
20:49
other one is right before the iPhone 5.
20:52
That was the first time that the screen
20:53
size changed at all and so they they had
20:57
like a big push at WWDC for you know you
20:59
should make sure your apps work not just
21:01
at like this fixed size class but you
21:03
know so that it can stretch and you know
21:05
up and down. That was that was a big
21:07
notable case of that. Um
21:09
a number of changes around iOS 11 were
21:15
for the
21:16
In retrospect, you can see were for the
21:18
iPhone 10.
21:20
Uh like how Control Center had a
21:21
completely new design.
21:23
Um
21:24
that was, you know, the first time the
21:25
Control Center appeared from the top
21:27
right corner instead of sliding up as a
21:29
single panel from the bottom. And that's
21:31
when Control Center was significantly
21:32
redesigned.
21:33
In iOS 7,
21:35
the camera app got significantly
21:37
redesigned with like the
21:40
the the camera app design that we still
21:41
kind of have today, where you have like
21:43
a big long scrolling list of modes. And
21:45
that's because the iPhone 5s was had
21:48
like a bunch of extra camera features
21:50
that the iPhone 5 didn't have before.
21:52
So, they, you know, had to had to have
21:54
more modes like panorama and um
21:56
>> Yes. Yes.
21:57
>> slow mo.
21:58
Not just like the single toggle switch
22:00
for photo and video that was in iOS 6
22:01
and before. This happened a number of
22:03
times before.
22:04
>> Okay. That makes sense.
22:06
>> This is this is a this is a pretty
22:07
blatant one though.
22:09
>> Now, you told me that uh or you told me
22:12
I was reading rather.
22:13
>> [laughter]
22:13
>> So, in in a way you told me um
22:16
that that Control Center is a little
22:18
wonky. Um of course, this is all this is
22:21
this is still beta. This is still but I
22:23
was kind of curious. Yeah, we we want to
22:26
think about
22:27
uh the screens that you're going to see
22:28
all the time. And I think in that way
22:30
I'm not surprised to hear that the home
22:31
screen, for example, hasn't been quite
22:33
figured out yet. I imagine that's going
22:35
to be difficult to try to solve.
22:37
>> Yeah. I was really curious what the home
22:38
screen is like. Um and in in iPhone
22:41
mirroring, you can resize a bunch of
22:43
Apple's built-in apps. But if you go to
22:45
the home screen, like and you try and
22:47
stretch it, it gets bigger and smaller,
22:49
but it doesn't actually
22:51
like change aspect ratio.
22:54
Um I I I really I'm really curious to
22:56
see how it'll work cuz like my question
22:57
is like, well,
22:59
you know, how does a home screen
23:01
translate between going from, you know,
23:04
>> Exactly.
23:05
>> four icons wide, five icons tall to like
23:08
a completely horizontal, you know? If
23:10
you think about an iPad, like when you
23:13
when you rotate it from portrait to
23:15
landscape, you know, the aspect ratio of
23:17
the screen is still the same cuz it's
23:19
like the same physical screen. We
23:21
haven't had a screen that can like
23:22
change shape this wildly before. Uh so
23:25
I'd like to see that. Um
23:27
notifica- I mean, Control Center also,
23:28
like I'll show you that. You know, on
23:30
the home screen it looks like the normal
23:31
home screen, but if you go inside an app
23:34
and change the aspect ratio and then
23:36
summon Control Center,
23:38
it it it doesn't it doesn't adapt
23:39
either. So, although your screen is
23:42
horizontal, uh you just have like a thin
23:44
little column of controls that run off
23:46
the bottom of the a screen.
23:47
>> Huh.
23:48
Interesting. Yeah, and we've got to
23:50
think Well, actually, I don't know. The
23:52
I don't know how this would be solved.
23:54
The I was going to say surely in the
23:56
final version everything would sort of
23:58
spread out, but why I I don't think that
24:01
it necessarily needs to.
24:03
Um or maybe maybe it'll be a sort of a
24:04
dual system where whenever you've got
24:06
the larger Control Center, you could do
24:09
widgets on that right side or something
24:11
as opposed to it just being buttons.
24:13
>> That's interesting.
24:14
>> now that we can summon Control Center in
24:17
iPhone mirroring. That's nice. I
24:19
remember when we first got it, I kept
24:21
going, "Swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe,
24:23
swipe." I'm going, [laughter] "Why is it
24:25
not access- Oh, I guess this doesn't
24:26
work." Uh so that was nice to see. This
24:29
is a hard thing to solve for. Um I do
24:32
not envy developers right now because
24:36
not only
24:37
are they looking at how to
24:41
resize their apps appropriately.
24:44
Um of course, you know, people would
24:45
argue that they've had time for a long
24:47
time now because of iPad and iPhone and
24:51
and sort of trying to find the the
24:52
differences there, but
24:54
uh speak to Instagram and they'll tell
24:56
you how hard it is to make an Instagram
24:57
app or I mean an iPad app. But larger
25:00
point is that a developers are having to
25:04
focus on screen sizes against multiple
25:07
screen sizes and I saw one designer
25:10
developer it's like a singer-songwriter
25:13
who was complaining about the fact that
25:17
the new slider for liquid glass makes it
25:21
so that a designer needs to have
25:23
awareness of so many more permutations
25:26
now of of how
25:30
of how their design will appear based on
25:33
where that slider is placed and it's not
25:35
a notched slider, right? It's kind of
25:37
like how how translucent do you want it?
25:40
So
25:42
yeah, it's in some ways a difficult time
25:44
to be a developer right now and well I
25:47
mean for multiple reasons, but part of
25:49
that is these two big changes happening
25:53
at once.
25:54
But still very exciting to see this come
25:57
to to Apple's side of things and it
26:00
makes me wonder for you
26:02
Griffin of course
26:03
you will once to test an iPhone that
26:07
folds, but
26:09
is it of interest to you as a personal
26:11
device as well?
26:12
>> Oh yeah, I'm very excited for it. As as
26:15
someone who doesn't own an iPad, I'm
26:16
like well, I'll never need to buy one if
26:18
I just have an iPhone that can become an
26:20
iPad.
26:21
I'm I'm looking forward to it. I'm not
26:22
looking forward to spending 2000 and
26:25
potentially 2500, maybe even $3000 on
26:28
it, but you know, I'm looking forward to
26:29
it generally. It's also weird because
26:32
the the the aspect ratio of the outer
26:35
screen is going to be just so different
26:37
to what we've had for the last 10 years.
26:39
Like the iPhone 10 switched to like a
26:41
much more extreme vertical like two to
26:43
one aspect ratio, but this is like back
26:46
to 4 by 3 like the original iPhone, the
26:49
iPhone 4.
26:50
Um
26:51
and iOS hasn't
26:53
been shaped like that in a long time.
26:55
Like, you notice that in in apps like
26:57
music, the the screen is so much shorter
26:59
that, you know, in the music app, for
27:01
example, when you're looking at an
27:02
artist page and you sort of size it to
27:04
what you think the outermost screen is
27:06
going to be, the music app is supposed
27:08
to have like, you know, big
27:09
artwork on top and then a list of things
27:11
below and it's like completely cut off
27:13
at the bottom of the screen. It's it's
27:15
so bizarre.
27:16
>> It almost yeah, it's not uh holding to
27:19
the design language, right, that was
27:21
originally there because it's having to
27:23
just sort of do lowest common
27:25
denominator.
27:26
>> And then you try and like unfold it and
27:28
you notice that like the tab bar at the
27:29
bottom is very bizarre. It's sort of
27:31
like the, you know, normal minimizing
27:34
tab bar so that like the the the the the
27:36
play the now playing thing at the widget
27:38
at the bottom like takes over the the
27:40
navigation at the bottom, but it
27:43
you know, it's an iPhone that's not
27:45
supposed to be this wide and so it like
27:48
stretches out in a rather unusual way.
27:50
Both the Podcasts and Music app kind of
27:52
work like this.
27:53
Again, I have I have screenshots in that
27:55
article if you're if you're just
27:56
listening.
27:57
>> Yeah, you've got to go everyone needs to
27:59
go check out the article cuz I that that
28:01
helped me conceptualize things better
28:02
than ever. So, I really appreciate that
28:04
you've done that because yeah, uh that
28:06
was very very well done uh as a way to
28:08
see it. I it it's it's occurring to me
28:11
now, we
28:13
when liquid glass shipped, they talked
28:15
so much about um freeing the content
28:20
from the UI and making it so that you
28:22
could see the content at all times. And
28:25
now it's starting to feel a little bit
28:27
like you know, they have that psychology
28:29
of mall design where apparently the
28:32
carpets are
28:33
supposed to be a certain way and the
28:35
music is supposed to be a certain way to
28:36
get you to go into stores instead of
28:38
spending time
28:39
It's feeling the same way to me. Like
28:41
they they tried to pull a trick on me.
28:43
They're
28:43
They're saying, "We They liquid glass to
28:46
separate the content from the UI, but
28:49
really when I just saw that screen there
28:52
where it was showing the bar at the
28:53
bottom and the back button and
28:55
everything.
28:56
>> Oh, yeah.
28:56
>> Let's be real. If we if we do not anchor
29:01
our UI to the content, then when we
29:03
resize our screen, the content can
29:06
resize and the UI can stay where it is.
29:09
So, now I'm going was this really all
29:11
about just getting us ready for an
29:13
iPhone fold and you're trying to sell it
29:15
as something else?
29:16
>> Yeah, potentially. And there were rumors
29:18
that like they had, you know, pushed up
29:19
the liquid glass design like a year in
29:21
advance or something to in order to to
29:23
ship it in 2025 instead of
29:26
2026. So, it's possible that that's
29:27
that's what it was all about. You know,
29:29
like the engineering was rushed because
29:31
it wasn't supposed to go this year. It's
29:32
supposed to be for next year. You know,
29:34
as part of a more, you know, dynamic
29:36
software user interface design to match
29:38
this new kind of phone.
29:40
The the the short stubby outer screen, I
29:42
mean, it's also kind of weird in in the
29:44
calendar app because if you have like a
29:47
a month that spreads across like 6 weeks
29:50
in the sort of like split view, then you
29:52
don't have like a lot of space to have
29:56
your your list of events below it. It's
29:58
it's really strange.
29:59
>> Oh, I see what you mean.
30:01
>> If it's so tall, then you can only list
30:02
like three or four things below if the
30:05
month is really big.
30:07
Unfolded [clears throat] though, I mean,
30:08
it's the first time the week view has
30:10
been useful on an iPhone. You can
30:12
actually [laughter] see like an entire
30:13
week.
30:14
>> Yeah, that is cool. That is really cool.
30:17
>> That's nice. You know, Safari, you can
30:19
view a whole desktop version of a
30:21
website all at once. That's really nice.
30:24
So.
30:25
>> With iPhone mirroring,
30:28
I know when I first
30:29
had that announced, it was one of the
30:31
things that sort of prompted a
30:34
physical reaction from me. I had like a
30:36
woo moment and excitement and
30:37
everything.
30:38
I actually may have been there for it. I
30:41
don't think I was
30:43
regardless.
30:44
When I was announced very excited about
30:46
it. I have found that I don't use it as
30:48
much as I thought I was going to. I was
30:51
curious, do you use iPhone mirroring
30:53
regularly or
30:55
yeah, what was your kind of initial take
30:57
on it and and how has it been since
30:59
then?
31:00
>> I I actually use it quite a bit because
31:03
anytime I'm in front of my Mac using my
31:05
Mac, I don't want to pick up my phone at
31:08
all. I know like a lot of people, you
31:10
know, they they get a text and they just
31:11
naturally reach for their phone and pick
31:12
it up and text from their from their
31:14
phone instead, but it's like no, I want
31:16
it on the screen in front of me. My
31:17
hands are already on the keyboard. My
31:18
hand is already over the trackpad. I
31:20
just want to touch my computer. So
31:23
>> [laughter]
31:23
>> like
31:25
I I I really like iPhone mirroring for
31:27
that.
31:28
You know, using apps that are only on
31:31
the phone and not on the Mac like when
31:32
I'm balancing my bills and I want to go
31:34
through like the
31:36
everything I've spent on my Apple card.
31:38
There's no way to do that on a Mac other
31:40
than iPhone mirroring. So if I want to
31:43
put a bunch of numbers side by side on
31:44
the same screen like I I have to use it
31:46
for that or you know, just any app
31:48
that's only on the phone and not on the
31:50
Mac.
31:51
I mean Snapchat is a canonical example
31:53
except if you use Snapchat through
31:54
iPhone mirroring, it says that you're
31:55
screen recording everything which isn't
31:57
nice, but
31:59
>> I did not know that.
32:00
>> Yeah.
32:01
>> That that reminds me there's the
32:04
content systems that keep you from
32:08
taking screenshots or video of you know,
32:11
like a Netflix stream.
32:13
Those are
32:14
that that tool that feature that
32:17
software whatever is also impacted by
32:21
oh goodness. Now I'm forgetting what
32:23
it's called.
32:24
One sec here. It's called
32:27
uh
32:29
display. What's it called? Why can't Oh,
32:31
display link. Display link is is it also
32:35
affects that and so anytime on when
32:37
we'll we'll talk about it when we get to
32:39
my hardware and stuff, but I end up
32:40
having to turn off one of my displays in
32:42
order to watch anything on the screen.
32:44
It's so annoying. Uh but yeah, that's uh
32:47
that's that's a problem.
32:48
>> [laughter]
32:49
>> Yeah, I used to have a a monitor that
32:50
would give me problems with that all the
32:51
time. It would throw up errors and I
32:52
would have to like unplug it in order to
32:54
watch things on Amazon Prime.
32:56
>> It's so annoying.
32:57
>> But now that now apparently works over
32:59
iPhone mirroring if you haven't heard
33:01
the good news. So, I don't know what the
33:03
use case for that is like if you I was
33:05
thinking maybe because like Netflix
33:08
doesn't let you download stuff to your
33:10
Mac if you want to watch downloaded
33:13
stuff on a flight, then
33:16
maybe you can watch it through iPhone
33:18
mirroring, download it to your phone if
33:20
you want to see it on your screen. I
33:21
don't know.
33:22
>> Yeah.
33:23
>> That's the best I could come up with.
33:24
Yeah, that'd be really janky though. I
33:26
don't recommend that.
33:27
>> Yeah, it's almost doesn't seem
33:29
necessary.
33:30
>> It's not not how Martin Scorsese
33:32
intended his films [laughter] to be
33:33
watched.
33:34
>> Yeah, he would be very upset if you told
33:36
him that's how you were doing it.
33:38
>> [laughter]
33:39
>> I mean, is that better than watching on
33:40
a phone? Probably
33:42
>> I good question. I mean, cuz the audio,
33:44
you know, is it shifts and um there have
33:47
been times where I've was listening to
33:49
an audio book and I'll just go ahead and
33:52
pull it up on the screen so that I can
33:53
easily access the controls. But yeah, I
33:56
just I think I thought I would be using
33:58
it a lot more, but most of the stuff
34:01
that I access is already available on
34:03
the Mac. And so, I think that's what it
34:05
ends up being is I just don't need to
34:07
turn to my phone too often.
34:09
Um although I do like
34:11
doing Instacart orders that way. Uh it's
34:14
it's nice to have that um
34:17
bigger area to kind of work with.
34:19
>> Is that what you use iPhone mirroring
34:20
for?
34:21
>> Yeah.
34:21
>> [laughter]
34:22
>> Just just Instacart grocery orders
34:24
pretty much.
34:25
Um other than that, everything else I do
34:28
I it's it's like
34:30
Mac first and then move to iPhone after
34:34
that. I don't like to do I don't really
34:37
like to browse on the iPhone, either. I
34:39
want a big browser. I want a lot of
34:40
room. I want a lot of space. So, um I I
34:43
find myself just going
34:45
I'll just walk to my Mac. I'll I'll look
34:47
at it there.
34:48
>> Are you looking forward to a folding
34:49
iPhone then? Do you feel like that would
34:50
solve that problem for you?
34:51
>> so. Yeah, because I've got Look, you you
34:53
said that you're not really an iPad
34:55
person. I have
34:57
multiple iPads that I don't use. Um and
35:01
the closest I came was an iPad Mini. I I
35:03
really like the iPad Mini,
35:06
but again, I don't use it. So, I do
35:09
think that this that the folding option
35:12
could be something that makes a
35:13
difference, cuz I mean, I've got I've
35:14
got really large hands, and so the sort
35:17
of
35:18
different real estate isn't a problem
35:20
for me. I always go for the Plus at Max,
35:22
or whatever uh the larger size is. And I
35:25
like having more screen real estate, but
35:29
up to this point, it has felt like a
35:31
folding phone wouldn't
35:35
give me much when it came to unfolding.
35:38
Now, I can see where that could be
35:41
helpful, and where it would be something
35:42
that I'm interested in, uh particularly
35:44
as someone who's like trying to If I
35:47
It's almost like if the iPad Mini
35:50
was a phone, I could come close to to
35:53
using it that way.
35:55
Um
35:55
It's a little too big to fit into a
35:56
pocket, though. So, yeah. That would be
35:58
nice. The folding would be good.
35:59
>> You see, I'm a small phone person. I
36:01
have like I don't know. I guess probably
36:02
just average
36:03
size hands, but it intrigues me that
36:06
it'll be both the smallest and the
36:08
biggest phone.
36:10
>> It's both. It gets to be both. That's so
36:12
exciting. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. That's Hmm.
36:15
That makes me cuz my my partner uh
36:18
very much a small phone person.
36:22
Um and you know, he held onto his Mini
36:25
for ages and ages and ages and ages
36:27
trying to not have to update and he did
36:30
finally have to update and he's fine
36:33
with it but would prefer for sure to to
36:36
rock the smaller phone. So, now I'm kind
36:39
of curious if a foldable phone would be
36:40
something that he was interested in cuz
36:42
he's also the opposite too.
36:44
I
36:45
you know, those government websites for
36:46
example, you've got to go and you've got
36:48
to
36:49
you know, schedule an appointment for
36:50
the DMV or something. You will never
36:53
catch me trying to do that stuff on a
36:55
little phone. I'm going to the computer
36:57
where
36:58
>> [laughter]
36:58
>> where God intended to be for doing
37:01
government website stuff or again,
37:03
frankly any website stuff.
37:05
But he will I mean he he probably write
37:08
a a novel on his phone and it's kind of
37:11
impressive to me this tiny little phone
37:12
and so much you get done. I'm like, you
37:14
don't you don't want to go to the
37:15
computer with the with the big screens
37:17
for doing that? No, I got it right here.
37:19
Okay, okay. So, I don't know. I don't
37:21
even know if that would be something
37:22
that would be more helpful cuz I don't
37:25
think that he thinks about it that way.
37:26
But for me, absolutely. I'm going I can
37:29
make this bigger and I don't have to get
37:31
up. So, it's probably going to make me
37:32
more lazy but that's fine.
37:34
>> [laughter]
37:34
>> I'm also really curious what the
37:35
keyboard's going to be like on it.
37:36
>> Yes. What are they going to do? Is it
37:38
going to be like the the split like
37:40
we've seen with the iPad where you've
37:42
got the left and the right side?
37:43
>> Not that I'm an iPad user but I I've
37:44
I've heard that the iPad support for the
37:48
split keyboard is very bizarre. Some of
37:50
them have it and some of them just
37:51
weirdly don't.
37:52
>> Yeah, you don't know. You don't know if
37:54
it's going to work and you don't Yeah,
37:55
it and that's then it makes you not want
37:57
to use it that way
37:59
because I feel that it does I'm I'm a
38:01
touch typer
38:03
and so I've learned you know, home row
38:05
and all that jazz
38:06
and
38:08
I have tried using the split keyboard
38:11
keeping that in mind and it just doesn't
38:14
click. So, I would have to invest more
38:16
time to get good at it and it's not
38:18
worth it if not all of the apps are
38:19
going to support it, right?
38:20
>> an iPhone touch typer? Can you can you
38:22
text on an iPhone without looking at the
38:23
screen?
38:24
>> No, heavens no. Oh, no. Um that'd be
38:27
cool, uh but yeah, no. I
38:29
When it comes to thumbs, I definitely
38:31
have to look, but um
38:33
maybe that's another reason I like to be
38:34
in front of my Mac now that I think
38:36
about it is that I can just focus on
38:38
what's happening on the screen and not
38:40
worry about where my fingers are. Huh.
38:42
I never considered that aspect of it.
38:44
Cuz that's another thing, too, is I
38:47
will, if I'm on my phone, dictate um
38:51
messages, so I don't have to type them
38:53
out, but on a Mac, I'm like
38:55
So, wow. I think we've just discovered
38:58
something today. This is all This is
38:59
just really been about me not being as
39:01
quick a typer.
39:02
>> [laughter]
39:02
>> We are all over the map, and we're only
39:03
on the second story.
39:04
>> I know, right?
39:06
Look, should we move on?
39:07
>> Okay, sure.
39:09
>> Then, let us move along here to talk
39:12
about the second beta of iOS 27. Yes,
39:16
that's right. We have already been
39:18
blessed by the second beta, and
39:22
wonderful that Cult of Mac has put
39:24
together a guide of all of the features
39:26
and changes. They're Instead of calling
39:28
it writing tools, it's now called Write
39:31
with Siri. And this is going to appear
39:35
as a suggestion, which I've seen this
39:36
pop up a few times now. You tap on an
39:39
empty text field in Notes and Mail, and
39:43
you may see this little suggestion that
39:45
says Write with Siri.
39:47
Um it's it's kind of funny because you
39:51
write with Siri using Siri, which is at
39:53
the top of the screen, so you're sort of
39:54
at the bottom, and you tap on this, and
39:57
a text input field slides down from the
40:00
even more dynamic Dynamic Island these
40:02
days. It's far more dynamic. And then,
40:05
you kind of say,
40:06
"Hey, I want to write a thing about
40:09
this." Um also, if you do tap on a text
40:13
field that has text in it, then you will
40:16
see a little Siri logo kind of icon that
40:20
you can tap on to do more. I'll be
40:23
honest,
40:24
not a big fan of
40:27
spent a lot of years as a copy editor
40:29
and so I I don't trust these computers
40:33
but no I'm more importantly I just I
40:36
don't really like the way that they
40:37
write usually
40:39
>> Yeah.
40:39
>> and
40:40
so I don't I don't make a lot of use of
40:42
these tools.
40:43
>> Not that I was in love with the writing
40:44
tools before but I don't think I like
40:45
the new interface. Like it it kind of
40:48
made sense being like a slide up panel
40:50
of tools rather than like you tap the
40:52
right with Siri button and then you just
40:54
see like a text box. Like the whole, you
40:56
know, tap this button to transform
40:58
something into a list or a table. It was
41:00
much more visual. I don't know if people
41:02
would like come up with those ideas on
41:04
their own. I mean I'm sure Apple has the
41:06
metrics for how much they are being
41:07
used. Maybe literally nobody ever
41:08
touched them but
41:10
>> I wondered that too, right? I don't know
41:12
what is what's popular there, what makes
41:16
them change it to write with Siri. I
41:18
sometimes want to know the psychology
41:19
behind it as well if it's psychology. I
41:21
mean there could be metrics perhaps but
41:23
all of these choices that they're making
41:26
because you're right. I think sometimes
41:28
it's helpful to have some level of
41:31
example or option that can make it more
41:36
um
41:36
more helpful and then it's not about
41:38
just
41:40
you know, write a paragraph for me but
41:42
as you said, what if we turn this into a
41:44
list or if you're in pages and I want a
41:46
chart or or what have you. Those are
41:49
actually helpful but if they're not
41:51
surfaced then I think it's a little
41:52
difficult. I also think that we're
41:55
seeing a lot of push
41:58
toward getting into that Siri view in
42:01
whatever way is possible right now. Just
42:03
last night
42:05
because look I I I've talked about this
42:08
a lot. I don't like to use Siri
42:13
Um and it has been away for years for a
42:15
lot of stuff because in the past it just
42:17
didn't work.
42:18
>> Mhm.
42:19
>> And so for the longest time I'm like I'm
42:20
not even going to try it. It's just
42:22
going to upset me or it's going to
42:23
disappoint me, I mean.
42:24
Um but I've been with the new Siri
42:27
really trying it out and and in places
42:30
where normally I would just do it
42:31
myself. I'm like I'm going to see if
42:32
Siri can do this. It's been very
42:34
impressive. Um doing things that I
42:37
thought there's no way it's going to be
42:39
able to do this thing. But last night I
42:43
wanted to get some text from a screen.
42:47
And so at first I just held down the
42:49
button because it's like oh you're
42:50
supposed to be able to see what's on my
42:52
screen. Um and I was like can you tell
42:54
me what the Pacific time is for this?
42:57
And I quite literally just said that.
42:59
And it uh
43:02
it didn't do anything. So I was like
43:03
okay that's a bug. That's probably just
43:04
a bug.
43:05
Uh but then I kind of cropped it down so
43:08
that it was just the paragraph that had
43:10
the time in it. And I um
43:13
at the bottom hit the ask button. And
43:17
when I did like
43:19
15 different animations it seems played
43:22
on screen as parts of the UI slid away
43:25
and the and Siri slid down from the top
43:27
and it popped the little uh image in
43:29
there. And then it had a little uh you
43:32
know cursor blinking waiting for me to
43:33
type something in. But the problem is
43:35
the keyboard wasn't showing up. So then
43:37
I was like am I supposed to dictate it?
43:39
I don't know. I uh
43:41
double tapped to get it to show me like
43:44
maybe paste or or speak or something.
43:47
And instead it just said ask. And so I
43:49
tapped that and it
43:51
did it all over again. Popped open the
43:53
Siri field. Obviously these are bugs but
43:56
popped open the Siri field and then
43:58
there was no longer my screenshot
44:00
attached with it. And so I ended up
44:02
having to back out back out back out
44:03
back out. But what I noticed in that was
44:06
there is this push now, you know, when
44:09
we're talking to Siri, it's this this
44:11
view that hovers over everything that
44:12
comes down from the dynamic island and
44:15
they really seem to be kind of pushing
44:17
people toward that conversation mode.
44:19
Um, and I'm curious how people are going
44:22
to react to that. Um,
44:25
cuz I think a lot of
44:27
normal people, people who aren't steeped
44:29
in tech uh day-to-day. I'm surprised at
44:32
how often they use Siri. Like it's it's
44:35
quite a bit uh
44:37
anecdotally. And so, I wonder what
44:41
they're going to think with this new
44:42
version that really makes you go, "Look
44:45
at the previous conversations we've had.
44:46
Look at all the stuff that we've talked
44:48
about."
44:48
>> Yeah, like being trained to not to use
44:50
Siri I definitely relate with because I
44:52
would only ever use it for the
44:53
incredibly simple things of and and like
44:56
the limited syntax of text to this
44:58
person, set a timer for this period of
45:00
time. And now with the new Siri I'm
45:01
trying to do all the advanced stuff
45:02
like, you know, oh, when was what what
45:05
was the recipe that I was sent? What
45:07
what what am I supposed to be making for
45:08
this event tomorrow and stuff like that?
45:10
Uh, but then it's like the middle ground
45:11
stuff that Siri's supposed to be able to
45:13
do that's like, you know, send this
45:15
podcast to this person or or, you know,
45:18
edit this picture to make it look like
45:19
this instead that I
45:21
I'm like, oh, I'm just going to do that
45:22
myself, obviously. So, like it's
45:25
remembering to use Siri in that example.
45:27
I mean, in the story that you told there
45:29
I realized um,
45:31
could you have just like selected the
45:32
text and hit the ask Siri button
45:34
directly from there instead of the
45:35
screenshot?
45:36
>> Thank you for saying that. Yeah, cuz
45:37
there's context there, too. It's
45:39
annoying. Um, I use Spark. I've used
45:42
Spark email across everything and
45:43
sometimes, for some reason, when it
45:47
renders uh an email, it will make text
45:51
that has um,
45:54
it's the app is intelligently
45:57
showing, "Oh, I can see that this is a
46:00
date. You might want to tap on this to
46:02
turn it into a calendar thing. And there
46:05
are times where there's a bug that it
46:07
doesn't summon the share sheet whenever
46:09
you tap on it, but because it's um
46:13
because it's this text that has a
46:14
special link tied to it, it won't let
46:17
you highlight and select it.
46:19
>> [laughter]
46:19
>> I see.
46:20
>> So I thought, okay, here's what I'm
46:21
going to do. I'm just going to take a
46:22
screenshot. That's how I can get this
46:24
text. It'll be fine. And it didn't work,
46:28
unfortunately.
46:29
>> Okay. Yeah, but that was that was a a
46:31
good good question because yes, in
46:33
normal situations, that's all I would
46:35
need to do and I imagine that the tech
46:36
it would do it just fine. Um now, in the
46:39
first version of iOS 27 in beta one,
46:43
if you got new Siri and you went in to
46:47
customize new Siri, it was kind of a
46:49
mess in in that page. Uh there, of
46:52
course, up to this point have been all
46:53
these different voices. Uh
46:55
on stage at WWDC or in the video on
46:58
stage at WWDC, they showed that new Siri
47:03
has some options for pace and
47:06
expressivity.
47:08
And
47:09
in the first version, you couldn't
47:11
really make adjustments to these. I even
47:13
had trouble changing between the two
47:14
voices. The point is, you know, even in
47:17
the release notes, it's talking about
47:18
this stuff is coming soon. Now, they've
47:19
kind of cleaned that page up. Uh you are
47:22
able to at least select the two
47:24
different voices, but pace and
47:25
expressivity, those sliders are still um
47:29
disabled, but they uh
47:31
they will be coming soon. So we should
47:34
see that happen. It was funny because
47:37
for the longest time I've used
47:39
uh one I think I use voice three.
47:42
>> Mhm.
47:43
>> Um and
47:45
then I I switched to this voice and I
47:47
was in the car and it was so strange
47:50
hearing, you know, turn turn left here,
47:52
exit here, and someone else is talking
47:55
to you suddenly. And you're going, what?
47:57
Who's in my car?" Uh but, it was
48:00
interesting hearing because I use I use
48:04
GPS everywhere. I use navigation
48:05
everywhere, even when I'm just going
48:07
back home because I live in Portland,
48:09
and the traffic here,
48:11
um
48:11
you want to go a different route if you
48:13
need to. So, I I'm used to hearing these
48:16
regular things to get back to my house
48:18
in one voice. So, hearing it in a
48:20
different voice and hearing how the the
48:22
expression of it changed was kind of
48:24
cool.
48:25
>> Mhm.
48:25
>> Um obviously, they've still got some
48:27
work to do. It sounds a little modulated
48:29
uh right now, but
48:31
>> I'm still on a a 16 Pro, so I don't have
48:34
these advanced new voices. Do they still
48:35
have like the classic like female Siri
48:37
voice that they've had since 2011, or is
48:40
it Is that gone?
48:41
>> It sounds different to me. Um let me see
48:44
if I can can get it to to play back for
48:47
us here.
48:48
>> would you want to change it to? Like how
48:49
would you want to change the pace or
48:51
something?
48:51
>> uh I don't like
48:54
to be perfectly frank, I don't like
48:56
telling a
48:58
feminine-coded voice what to do. I
49:01
prefer to tell a masculine-coded voice
49:02
what to do. So, I use voice two, and I
49:05
think that I will make the pace a little
49:07
bit faster
49:09
when I'm able to change that because
49:13
yeah, I I like a fast speaker.
49:15
Uh
49:16
Expressivity, probably I'll play around
49:19
with it cuz I think it can be kind of
49:20
fun to be a little dynamic, but also, I
49:22
don't need you to tell me to turn left.
49:25
I just want you to tell me to turn left.
49:27
So,
49:28
uh but let's see. Here's
49:29
>> Hi. Let's find the right voice for you.
49:32
I'll practice some things I like to say
49:33
while you listen. Let me try this one
49:35
out. You have one new message.
49:37
>> And then
49:38
>> one new message.
49:39
Here's another one. Your timer is set
49:42
for 1 minute. Now for some directions.
49:44
At the next stop sign, turn right.
49:46
>> At the next stop sign, turn right.
49:48
>> So, yeah, I don't think that it sounds
49:50
like the Siri voice that we've had. I
49:52
mean it's yeah it's got it's got flavors
49:54
of that characteristics of that but it
49:56
is it definitely is different
49:58
um
49:59
and then
50:00
again those sliders not available yet
50:02
but I will be playing with them as soon
50:04
as they're there
50:05
to see if I can make like what is that
50:07
guy's name Crusty the Clown
50:09
full [laughter] on clown style voice
50:14
>> Exactly.
50:16
Uh let's see what else has come to iOS
50:18
27 beta 2. Oh
50:20
an ask Siri button added to Safari so
50:23
that when you tap and hold on the
50:25
address bar or you open that pages menu
50:28
then you can ask questions about the
50:30
pages the pages that you're looking at.
50:31
So it's a little bit like what's on my
50:33
screen but a little bit more focused and
50:36
you're definitely saying hey I'm talking
50:38
about this. I wanted to ask you were you
50:42
were you excited about the explain
50:45
what was it explain an extension or
50:47
describe describe an extension
50:49
>> Describe an extension yeah. Um
50:51
yeah what I I actually created one
50:53
already. Um
50:54
well I I pay for
50:56
because I'm an absolute fool like the
50:58
Apple One Premier bundle so I have Apple
51:00
News Plus which means that I should have
51:02
like free access to the Verge Washington
51:04
Post um Wall Street Journal a few other
51:07
sites like TechCrunch and so
51:09
I would always go to this song and dance
51:11
since the Verge paywall is most of their
51:12
site now that I would have if I if I
51:15
open a link to the Verge in an app I'll
51:17
then have to tap the Safari button at
51:18
the bottom open it in Safari tap the
51:20
share menu then tap open in Apple News
51:23
which would never
51:25
show up right away so I have to scroll
51:26
through list of apps and so I just asked
51:28
it to make an extension for me that adds
51:30
an open in Apple News button like as
51:32
like a toolbar on the top of the page
51:33
for all of those sites and it mostly
51:36
works.
51:36
>> Nice.
51:37
>> Mostly.
51:38
>> Nice. Mostly yeah mostly works.
51:40
[clears throat]
51:40
>> But you know
51:41
>> That's cool.
51:41
>> for the most of the time that it does it
51:43
it's excellent. I don't know. I don't
51:45
know what else I would want to do. Yeah,
51:47
that's the first thing that came to
51:48
mind.
51:48
>> That's a that's a great option.
51:50
There have not been I thought that I
51:53
would be going oh, that's going to be
51:54
something I use all the time, but I
51:56
think that one of the main ones was
51:57
going to end up being the other feature
52:00
that they announced, which was sort of
52:01
the page monitoring. And there was
52:04
specifically something that happened I
52:07
love the musical The Color Purple and I
52:10
haven't seen it live since I was in high
52:13
school. And so I was
52:15
thinking of Portland is the perfect
52:17
place for a musical like that.
52:18
[laughter] So surely they'll have
52:20
Anyway,
52:22
the cool thing is a lot of times with
52:24
musicals that are distributed
52:27
these days, you can like get the rights
52:30
for them on a site and then that site
52:32
will also have upcoming productions for
52:35
it. This was for the Color Purple
52:37
musical. And so I wanted to set up
52:40
something to monitor and see if there
52:42
was ever going to be something in my
52:43
area.
52:44
It ended up being that it came through
52:46
that Portland was going to have
52:49
premier of it next year before this
52:52
feature was ever announced, but I
52:53
definitely would have used it for that
52:56
to to be notified of that page changing.
52:58
I've seen some folks who have made use
53:00
of this tool and they are hoping that
53:04
Apple will add kind of a
53:07
repeating duration option or something
53:10
because
53:12
when it comes to ticket sales
53:13
especially, that can change on a dime.
53:16
And so the person had set it up to
53:17
monitor this page,
53:20
but the ticket sales opened a couple of
53:22
minutes early. And so they could have
53:25
gotten in even sooner if they had known.
53:28
But yeah, I think that's a that's a
53:29
really neat feature. That is not new as
53:30
of beta 2, but it is just new in iOS 27.
53:33
>> Yeah, and how that works is you can you
53:35
can you can't set it up to check a
53:36
website any more than daily. Your
53:38
options are like daily, I think weekly
53:40
and monthly. And you can set the time of
53:42
day that you want it to check.
53:44
Um Um so I actually posted, you know,
53:46
cuz we've been tracking Amazon
53:48
like Prime Day deals. So I I went to a
53:50
number of websites like like MacStories'
53:52
compilation, I think a few others, and I
53:55
said, "Oh, check these every day at 9:00
53:57
a.m. and tell me if they update this
53:59
page with any new deals so that we can
54:01
uh copy their hard work." And
54:04
I didn't receive any notifications. So I
54:05
guess the jury's still out. Maybe it's
54:08
completely broken, maybe Exactly, I
54:10
don't know.
54:10
>> Well, I I think it didn't work then,
54:12
right?
54:12
>> [laughter]
54:12
>> Yeah.
54:13
Let's see.
54:14
>> Uh other other changes in beta two
54:18
RCS conversations, you can now do inline
54:20
replies. So if you if you're going,
54:23
"What do you mean?" Well, you may
54:25
remember that if you were in a group
54:26
chat, or actually uh it could be a
54:28
singular chat, too. You can swipe and
54:30
reply directly to that message sort of
54:33
it in a thread. You're able to do that
54:35
now with RCS conversations. Also,
54:38
reacting to an image that you get via
54:41
RCS will display it properly for the
54:43
other person. So, you know, Micah
54:45
hearted this image or whatever you
54:48
happen to do, dropped a whatever emoji
54:51
on there. Uh which is uh good. I love
54:54
that we are getting much more parity
54:56
there. I feel a lot less worried
54:58
whenever I'm talking to uh Android folks
55:01
that, you know, it's going to appear
55:03
differently for them or it's not going
55:04
to work or something's going to be
55:05
messed up. Um it's nice that everybody's
55:09
more on the level playing field. I
55:10
haven't seen the
55:12
uh let me check. I The last time I
55:15
looked
55:16
cuz I've got end-to-end encryption
55:17
enabled, and it said that I should start
55:21
to see it for my Android conversations.
55:25
Uh but I don't know. Let me see if I I
55:28
really [snorts] have to scroll to get to
55:29
the last person I talked to who has an
55:30
Android device.
55:31
>> Ask Siri to find the most recent
55:33
conversation. That's all
55:34
>> That's what I should have done. Oh,
55:35
wait. Okay, yeah, there we go. That says
55:37
RCS, but it doesn't show a lock.
55:40
>> Hm.
55:40
>> So, I guess we're still not
55:43
And it could be that um the person with
55:46
whom I am communicating doesn't have
55:48
>> Yeah.
55:48
>> that turned on.
55:49
>> And and then it's it's it's very
55:50
fragmented. Like, everybody in the
55:52
conversation has to be running on iPhone
55:55
or an Android device that supports all
55:56
these features for it to work. Um like
55:59
I'm in I'm in one RCS like kind of
56:02
relatively big group chat of like 10
56:04
people or so. And like, you know, two of
56:05
them are on Android phones, so it's RCS.
56:07
And it's a little twitchy. Like,
56:09
sometimes it drops down to just SMS for
56:11
a little bit
56:12
>> Really?
56:12
>> for reasons. Who knows why?
56:15
>> For reasons.
56:16
>> Yeah.
56:16
>> I that that's surprising. Um that that
56:19
it'll kind of switch between. But, yes,
56:20
I am seeing
56:22
um I've got all the proper things turned
56:24
on to have that conversation shift, but
56:27
it has not yet. So,
56:28
>> Mhm.
56:28
>> who knows. Um also, love the new feature
56:31
to create custom passes in the Wallet
56:35
app. Uh I do feel bad for the
56:39
pass creation apps that have existed for
56:41
a long time that I've made use of. Uh
56:44
but, now in iOS 27 beta 2, you can
56:46
select from four different background
56:48
images, and they're like textures that
56:50
you can add to them as well. I I've also
56:53
played around with the pass making tool
56:57
that Apple has released. Just I don't
56:59
know why, but I I
57:01
>> I'm curious.
57:01
>> Just to play around with, honestly.
57:03
Yeah, I I find passes fascinating. Um
57:07
the different metadata that's available
57:09
there, and the way that you can
57:12
um
57:13
sort of set up locate There's a lot of
57:16
There's a lot There are a lot of
57:17
features
57:19
that one could technically take
57:21
advantage of when it comes to passes.
57:23
And I just like to know what all is
57:24
possible, and then when I am buying
57:28
concert tickets or, you know, some some
57:31
event here in Portland,
57:33
I can see what those ticket companies
57:37
are actually making use of, what they're
57:39
not making use of, and that's just
57:41
interesting.
57:41
>> had a big expansion last year. Where now
57:43
like a a pass can have like an embedded
57:45
like map of the venue that you're in.
57:47
Like a of stadium to like tell you where
57:49
your seats are and how to get there. I
57:51
haven't I haven't used a pass that has
57:53
had that yet.
57:54
>> Yeah, I haven't seen anyone use that
57:55
yet.
57:56
>> told her like does Apple let you add a
57:58
lot of like metadata like, you know,
57:59
show the pass when I go to this location
58:01
or anything like that?
58:02
>> It does. Yeah, so um the the app is a
58:05
little bit barebones right now. I was
58:07
kind of surprised. I thought it would
58:09
have more. Um but it does let you add a
58:13
bunch of metadata that essentially
58:15
doesn't show up to the user directly,
58:17
but is tied to the app ID, is tied to
58:20
specific location so that if you're
58:22
within X uh space, then it will summon
58:26
that pass on your screen. Um you can set
58:28
it up of course depending on what type
58:31
of of um
58:33
what type of pass it is. But what's kind
58:35
of cool is now there are special
58:40
uh types of of linking that you can do
58:43
where it can
58:45
reference
58:47
a database to see that you have uh you
58:51
know, a special membership or something.
58:52
And then that can change the way that
58:54
the pass appears. And so yeah, there's a
58:56
lot that's that's built in then again, I
58:59
just find fascinating. Um mostly so I
59:01
can see how lazy the different ticket
59:03
services are being. Where it's like, you
59:05
know, you could be making use of it. You
59:06
could do this.
59:07
>> Yeah, can you make a better one than
59:09
them? That's [laughter] funny.
59:09
>> Yeah, exactly. I'm you know what? Maybe
59:11
that's what I should I should do some
59:12
like I've redesigned your pass for you.
59:15
Uh just to be annoying.
59:17
Uh and then last but not least, I think
59:19
some people will be excited about this.
59:21
You can update the software on your
59:23
Apple TV from the home app. Where before
59:26
you did need to be in front of your
59:28
Apple TV and head into the updates. Uh
59:31
this will give you the ability to just
59:33
pop into the Home app and do so there. A
59:35
little bit like what you can do with
59:36
Home Pods
59:37
and other devices that support firmware
59:40
updates via the Home app. Um of which
59:44
there are few and far between, at least
59:46
in my home.
59:47
Um I think I've got two that update that
59:49
way. But it is nice that the software
59:52
update can happen there so that you
59:53
don't necessarily have to be in front of
59:54
the TV. I've got We've got a
59:57
uh short-throw projector and so it takes
59:59
a minute to turn on and
1:00:01
uh all that stuff. So just doing this,
1:00:03
you know, from wherever I am is nice.
1:00:05
Although I don't have the beta installed
1:00:07
on the Apple TV because that would lead
1:00:09
to um
1:00:10
domestic
1:00:12
uh chaos.
1:00:14
>> [laughter]
1:00:14
>> Fair enough. Fair enough. And it's it's
1:00:16
at least like what what even is new in
1:00:18
tvOS? Those like three things. I'm
1:00:20
pretty sure it's entirely developed by
1:00:21
Chris Espinosa. Like [laughter] there's
1:00:26
I mean I'm looking forward to to this
1:00:28
because I when when Apple releases a the
1:00:30
the next Apple TV, I plan on I plan on
1:00:32
buying a second one. I currently only
1:00:34
have one in the house and so like when
1:00:35
it if I want to watch anything in my
1:00:37
bedroom, I just have to unplug it and
1:00:38
carry it upstairs because there's no way
1:00:40
I'm spending $250 on an Apple TV now.
1:00:43
>> That is hilarious. I mean yeah, that's
1:00:45
fair. That's fair. That's so funny.
1:00:49
Unplug, replug. Do you have an HDMI
1:00:51
waiting for it at least?
1:00:52
>> Oh yeah. Yeah, it's all ready to go. But
1:00:55
>> Nice.
1:00:56
>> Let's talk about um Siri AI. So also in
1:01:00
the the latest developer betas that
1:01:02
dropped earlier this week, they they
1:01:05
killed the workaround that a lot of
1:01:07
people are taking advantage of. There
1:01:08
used to be a hack on the Mac where you
1:01:11
could type in this terminal command and
1:01:14
sort of enable it like, you know, by
1:01:16
setting like a hidden plist setting and
1:01:18
get access to it early on your Mac. It
1:01:20
wouldn't sync across all your other
1:01:21
devices, but you'd at least have it on
1:01:23
the Mac at least. Um
1:01:24
You know, the iPhone is a more magical
1:01:26
place to experience it, but it's better
1:01:28
than nothing if you're sitting on there.
1:01:29
Like I see people on Reddit are saying
1:01:30
that they've been waiting like up to
1:01:32
like a week or more, 10 days.
1:01:34
>> Wow.
1:01:36
It took me a while to get in, for sure.
1:01:38
I was afraid of doing this. Um I thought
1:01:41
I was worried that if I did that
1:01:43
that little cheat, that it was going to
1:01:45
result in my wait being longer if they
1:01:48
started to block this method of doing
1:01:51
so, and then they said I don't know. I
1:01:53
just I I thought, "No, I'm not going to
1:01:54
tempt it." And I was glad that I didn't
1:01:56
because the day after the little hack
1:01:59
came out, then I got my little
1:02:01
notification saying, "You know, you're
1:02:02
you're in. You can You can check it out
1:02:04
now." Um but
1:02:07
yeah, I I thought, "I'm going to do
1:02:09
this, and it's going to work on my Mac,
1:02:11
and then they're going to find out I've
1:02:13
done it, and then I'm going to be not
1:02:15
able to use new Siri for 3 months." So,
1:02:18
yeah, I just didn't do it.
1:02:20
>> One of our One of the commenters on our
1:02:21
website pointed out that like now if you
1:02:23
after updating, he said the new
1:02:25
developer beta update cut me off from
1:02:26
the new Siri.
1:02:27
And you know, you just see joined
1:02:29
waitlist. Same. Retrying the procedure
1:02:31
has no effect. But there might be
1:02:33
another way in. Uh people on Reddit
1:02:37
So, you know, they're claiming at least
1:02:39
that this works for them. How How
1:02:41
truthful is, who knows, but uh they say
1:02:43
there's another workaround, and that is
1:02:45
that if you update to iOS 27, obviously,
1:02:48
you get on the waitlist. You generate
1:02:50
images in Image Playground.
1:02:52
>> Mhm.
1:02:53
>> And then you uh start sending in
1:02:55
feedback about them. Like you tap the
1:02:57
more button, and you tap something isn't
1:02:59
right. You You send in a bunch of
1:03:00
feedback
1:03:01
um on a variety of Apple Intelligence
1:03:03
features. They claim that you'll get
1:03:06
through the waitlist faster. I think the
1:03:08
assumption being that, you know, if
1:03:10
Apple sees you're a valuable
1:03:12
>> Ah.
1:03:13
>> tester who's providing a lot of
1:03:14
feedback, then they'll then they'll put
1:03:15
you on the new Siri.
1:03:17
>> This, you know, okay. Or it could just
1:03:20
be coincidence.
1:03:22
>> Yeah. Yeah.
1:03:22
>> I like this idea. I want to believe that
1:03:24
there is a sort of um
1:03:27
a a metric playing out where people who
1:03:30
actually are making a difference and
1:03:32
aren't just there to to test stuff out
1:03:34
are prioritized.
1:03:37
But I also think that that so easily
1:03:39
aligns with what
1:03:41
any of us who give feedback would want
1:03:44
to be the truth that it almost has an
1:03:47
inherent
1:03:47
>> [laughter]
1:03:48
>> an inherent bias of wishful thinking, if
1:03:51
you will.
1:03:51
>> Cuz the comments are like, "Oh, I
1:03:52
started generating images in play image
1:03:54
playground and then I got the
1:03:55
notification that I was in." It's like,
1:03:58
Would that have just happened anyway?
1:04:00
>> It could have just happened anyway.
1:04:01
>> be skeptical.
1:04:02
>> Yeah, I agree. I'm skeptical, but you
1:04:04
know what? Maybe Griffin, we should just
1:04:07
say, "You should do this." Because that
1:04:09
that way
1:04:11
there's also feedback being given and
1:04:13
it's always good.
1:04:13
>> is always better, you know. Submit bug
1:04:15
reports. I mean, this is the prime time
1:04:17
to submit bug reports, they say, because
1:04:18
the engineers are actually like, you
1:04:19
know, actively developing and fixing
1:04:21
bugs at this exact period of time. So
1:04:23
like right after a new beta drops,
1:04:25
submit a bunch of bug reports for things
1:04:26
that you find are broken. Maybe maybe
1:04:29
you'll somehow rise up in the invisible
1:04:31
rankings that Apple may or may not have.
1:04:34
>> [laughter]
1:04:35
>> Cannot confirm.
1:04:36
>> But either way, you'll be you you know,
1:04:37
you'll be helping Apple out.
1:04:39
>> Absolutely.
1:04:40
>> I think um on
1:04:42
John Gruber's The Talk Show Live, Nilay
1:04:45
Patel said that he overheard somebody at
1:04:47
the Apple event like say, like
1:04:50
presumably this was an engineer say,
1:04:52
"Oh, private cloud computer is on fire
1:04:54
right now."
1:04:55
>> Wow.
1:04:57
>> It could be that like all of the people
1:04:58
like me who, you know, updated within
1:05:01
the hour and immediately got the Siri
1:05:03
like, with it you know, later the same
1:05:05
day and immediately tried to like, you
1:05:07
know, just asking it things over and
1:05:09
over made it just like
1:05:10
>> Just
1:05:11
>> Yeah, and that's why the waitlist is so
1:05:13
long because they're trying to scale up
1:05:14
the infrastructure and test, you know,
1:05:16
how much people are using it.
1:05:17
>> I installed the day after
1:05:21
um and
1:05:23
I you know, immediately asked to get on
1:05:25
the wait list and then I think it was
1:05:29
Let's see, that was Monday, so that was
1:05:30
Tuesday. I think by Friday of that week
1:05:33
I had been granted access. It may have
1:05:35
even been Thursday, but it was it was
1:05:37
either Thursday or Friday that I got
1:05:38
access. So, it was a couple of days um
1:05:42
but again, I had joined right after. I
1:05:45
thought even that was going to be you're
1:05:47
going to be waiting a month uh to get
1:05:49
in. So, I was surprised that I got it
1:05:51
when I did. Um
1:05:52
but it
1:05:54
it I mean, that's where a lot of the new
1:05:56
stuff exists. So, if you're going to be
1:05:58
testing it, you do really want to get
1:06:00
off of the wait list and into it to be
1:06:02
able to test the stuff and as you said
1:06:04
and it sounds like we have similar um
1:06:07
uh takes on Siri where we've just done
1:06:10
so much of the stuff ourselves before
1:06:11
and so we got to be able to test this
1:06:13
out and see what it can actually do uh
1:06:15
versus what it's what we're told it can
1:06:17
do.
1:06:18
>> [laughter]
1:06:19
>> Yeah, how it actually plays out.
1:06:20
>> Developers are also complaining about
1:06:22
that Apple doesn't have like solid
1:06:24
prices in in store for how much it'll
1:06:27
it'll cost. Like they don't have any
1:06:29
pricing structure for if you're a
1:06:30
developer like, you know, you can't pay
1:06:31
more to use private cloud compute in
1:06:33
your app.
1:06:34
>> Oh, right.
1:06:35
>> My my theory is that Apple just doesn't
1:06:36
know how much it's going to cost per
1:06:38
user yet and so they haven't rolled out
1:06:40
any prices and that, you know,
1:06:41
eventually they will.
1:06:43
They just, you know, don't know how much
1:06:44
it's going to cost yet, but, you know,
1:06:45
on the downside
1:06:47
the the people who are trying it right
1:06:48
now
1:06:50
are the people who are incredibly
1:06:51
enthusiastic about it and are going to
1:06:52
be using it more than the average
1:06:53
person.
1:06:54
>> It's a really good point. Yep.
1:06:55
>> So.
1:06:55
>> Yeah, so it's not necessarily indicative
1:06:58
of of the way that it'll be used
1:07:02
on the whole,
1:07:03
uh but it does give some insight into
1:07:08
yeah, the the the folks who are using it
1:07:10
the most and more regularly.
1:07:13
>> And even for regular users, Apple says,
1:07:15
"Oh, and if you pay for iCloud Plus,
1:07:17
then you just get more access." But they
1:07:20
don't tell you how much it is.
1:07:21
>> not defining how much, but just more.
1:07:24
>> I think they're all in the same bucket.
1:07:25
Like they don't they don't know how much
1:07:26
it's going to cost yet.
1:07:28
>> Yeah. Yeah, I I mean, we keep seeing the
1:07:31
satellite stuff get pushed out and
1:07:34
pushed out and pushed out in terms of us
1:07:35
having to pay for it. So, I'm not
1:07:37
surprised to see this as well.
1:07:39
Um I imagine that
1:07:41
most folks, I mean, that's sort of the
1:07:44
nature of of what it is, the satellite
1:07:46
technology. Most folks aren't using it,
1:07:48
so it's probably not a lot of overhead
1:07:52
for for Apple
1:07:54
um to have that going. But there's
1:07:57
obviously a big difference between
1:07:59
the smaller subset of beta users versus
1:08:02
we're rolling this out to everybody. So,
1:08:04
we'll have to see how that plays out for
1:08:06
sure.
1:08:06
>> the satellite, it's also interesting
1:08:07
because Apple keeps adding more
1:08:08
satellite features such that it might
1:08:11
its usage might be going up. I think if
1:08:13
there is a year where they roll out
1:08:15
prices, I think this is the year because
1:08:18
Amazon bought Globalstar, the company
1:08:20
that was providing those satellite
1:08:22
connectivity services for them. And you
1:08:25
know, so it's not just it's not just
1:08:26
some company launching satellite. It's
1:08:27
it's Amazon. I bet they I bet they
1:08:30
they're probably going to be like,
1:08:31
"Okay, yeah, this is the price now."
1:08:33
Unless it's just going to And if not,
1:08:34
then it's Apple's probably just going to
1:08:35
amortize it and say it's free for iPhone
1:08:37
users forever.
1:08:39
>> Oof. I wonder what I wonder which way
1:08:40
they'll go. I mean, services, of course,
1:08:42
is the the area where they've got the
1:08:45
the regular income.
1:08:47
Um and I suppose it could be one of
1:08:48
those things that gets a line item as an
1:08:51
Apple One. You know, your satellite use
1:08:54
is completely free,
1:08:55
uh but we'll see. Cuz it's a hard I
1:08:57
think it's it's a difficult thing to
1:08:59
say.
1:09:00
>> I think if it had a pricing structure,
1:09:03
the emergency stuff would always be
1:09:04
free, but if you want to text,
1:09:06
>> then that might be like a new Apple
1:09:07
service somehow.
1:09:08
>> Yeah. I hope that's the way they go with
1:09:10
it, because I think that's reasonable,
1:09:12
and I think that that keeps me from
1:09:15
going, "You really want to charge people
1:09:17
when they're in an emergency? That's
1:09:18
wild."
1:09:19
>> I I fallen down a a cliff face, and my
1:09:21
face is broken, and my arm is broken,
1:09:23
but I need to do Face ID to authenticate
1:09:25
this really quick.
1:09:26
>> [laughter]
1:09:26
>> So, I can just
1:09:28
give Apple $500 to rescue me.
1:09:30
>> Oh, man. Can you imagine? Yeah, I don't
1:09:32
think that's the Those aren't the videos
1:09:35
that they want to play at the beginning
1:09:36
of an Apple event, for sure. I paid them
1:09:38
$500, but I got rescued, and I'm safe,
1:09:41
and it's well worth the $500.
1:09:44
>> Mhm.
1:09:45
You are an experienced podcaster.
1:09:47
>> Thank you.
1:09:48
>> There's nothing more that podcasters
1:09:51
love talking about than the art of
1:09:52
podcasting.
1:09:54
>> [laughter]
1:09:54
>> The sausage? How it gets made?
1:09:56
>> Yeah.
1:09:57
>> Yeah.
1:09:57
>> Why don't you tell us a little bit? I
1:09:58
mean, you do a lot of I mean, we just do
1:10:00
this stinky little show once a week. We
1:10:02
pre-record it. That's it. You were even
1:10:03
struggling to remember the names of all
1:10:05
your podcasts before we went live.
1:10:06
>> Yeah. I I do too I think I I do. I have
1:10:09
I have a lot of shows. Um I have regular
1:10:12
shows that I record every week for my
1:10:14
main job, Twit, uh twit.tv. And so, each
1:10:18
week, uh I have a show called iOS Today,
1:10:22
um a show called Hands-On Apple, a show
1:10:25
called Hands-On Tech, and a show called
1:10:27
Tech News Weekly. Um those are the shows
1:10:31
that I do as part of Twit, plus some
1:10:33
different shows that we just have for
1:10:34
our club members. I've got a crafting
1:10:36
corner show that I do, where
1:10:38
uh I paint or cra- whatever, and then
1:10:41
other people join, and they talk about
1:10:43
the crafts they're working on. It's very
1:10:44
chill time. It's It's sort of like a
1:10:47
uh happy little trees moment. And so, we
1:10:50
all just get together and and craft. And
1:10:51
then, I just launched a new show for our
1:10:55
club. It's Media Club, and that's where
1:10:57
we we just talked about the fifth
1:10:59
element. So, people watch the fifth
1:11:00
element, we talked about it.
1:11:01
Um and then I also have a weekly podcast
1:11:03
that I host with Dan Moran over on Relay
1:11:06
called Clockwise.
1:11:08
And occasionally do some Dungeons and
1:11:10
Dragons uh shows online, as well. So,
1:11:14
yeah, I guess I do
1:11:15
>> [laughter]
1:11:16
>> I do have a lot of shows, and
1:11:18
you know, hardware's interesting. Um
1:11:20
I mentioned earlier my sort of
1:11:23
multi-screen
1:11:24
setup. Uh I right now running an M1 Max
1:11:29
Mac Studio from 2022 uh still just doing
1:11:34
fine for
1:11:35
>> on to that one for a while now, aren't
1:11:36
you?
1:11:36
>> Yeah.
1:11:37
>> [laughter]
1:11:38
>> Yeah. Yeah, I I think the one regret I
1:11:41
have about it is that I didn't spend
1:11:44
more on uh storage. I have a terabyte,
1:11:50
and you know, for the most part, that's
1:11:51
fine, but I do wish that I had gone up
1:11:54
at the time just so that I never have uh
1:11:58
storage issues. Uh but
1:12:01
>> you do podcasting and video work, that's
1:12:02
a bottomless pit. I paid for 2
1:12:04
terabytes, and I still fight with it
1:12:05
every few months.
1:12:06
>> Ah. Yeah, but I've I've had to figure
1:12:09
out my archiving system, for sure. Um
1:12:12
I have an Apple Studio Display
1:12:15
and a 27-in Dell UltraSharp. And so,
1:12:19
these are my two main displays. Um
1:12:22
they're both on boom arms. I found this
1:12:24
random Amazon
1:12:26
um
1:12:27
product listing for this clamp that
1:12:31
attaches to the uh
1:12:34
the the
1:12:35
base of the Studio Display. Mhm. Cuz I I
1:12:39
didn't get the VESA mount one um at the
1:12:41
time. I wasn't sure if I was going to
1:12:43
VESA mount it, and I just wasn't Yeah.
1:12:45
And so, I ended up finding this thing,
1:12:47
and it's it's also aluminum. I'll have
1:12:49
to find the link to it, cuz I was I
1:12:51
thought, "This is a risk, there aren't a
1:12:52
lot of reviews. It works. Um so that's
1:12:55
on one side, the Dell UltraSharp on the
1:12:57
other, and then in the middle I've got
1:12:58
this um Elgato Prompter.
1:13:01
And for people who aren't familiar with
1:13:02
it, it's basically just a little
1:13:06
display, I think 9.1-in display, and
1:13:09
then that prompter glass that is a
1:13:11
mirror so that I can see the dis- the
1:13:13
display. And then beh- I can't believe I
1:13:15
didn't put my camera on there. It's cuz
1:13:17
I really don't I'm not a camera guy at
1:13:20
all.
1:13:20
>> I'm jealous of the
1:13:22
of the teleprompter. I just, you know,
1:13:24
have my iPhone sitting on a mount on top
1:13:26
of my screen, and I just put everything
1:13:28
on the top of the mount monitor. So I'm
1:13:31
just as close as I can be, uh
1:13:33
and I make the window small so that my
1:13:34
eyeline is kind of
1:13:36
but it's not quite
1:13:38
>> Oh, that's funny. I I mean I I wouldn't
1:13:40
I would not have noticed. I thought that
1:13:42
you maybe you were rocking something
1:13:43
like that. Now, this is the Sony Alpha
1:13:47
ZVE10
1:13:49
Mark II.
1:13:51
>> [clears throat]
1:13:51
>> Uh
1:13:52
again, I don't know. I don't really care
1:13:54
that much, but this is the camera that
1:13:57
uh our technical director said for me to
1:13:59
get. And because we used to work,
1:14:01
obviously, in person. We had a studio in
1:14:03
California. Um and then the pandemic
1:14:05
happened. We went remote and all had to
1:14:08
figure out how to set stuff up on our
1:14:09
own. Uh for a while I was using an
1:14:11
iPhone camera with three incubates camo.
1:14:14
And I mean, it was a great camera,
1:14:16
obviously, and that system worked fine.
1:14:18
But then, you know, you need to kind of
1:14:19
lock it in. And so
1:14:21
when I moved to Portland, uh I
1:14:24
sort of reset up my studio this way. Uh
1:14:27
along with that hardware,
1:14:30
um I do have a Stream Deck that I use to
1:14:35
kind of switch um scenes as I need to.
1:14:39
Uh that's it's on my desk. And then I
1:14:41
actually use it I use Elgato's lighting
1:14:42
as well. I have two key lights um to the
1:14:47
left and the right of me. And then
1:14:49
actually right in front of me, I have
1:14:51
this little Elgato Neo, and that's for
1:14:54
when I'm when I've decided that I'm
1:14:56
having a bad hair day and I wear a hat.
1:14:58
This keeps the Yeah, the shadow from
1:15:00
being too bad here. Um, and then up here
1:15:04
behind me, I've got a key light air, and
1:15:08
that's just kind of a nice hair light.
1:15:10
Um,
1:15:10
again, you can kind of see it glinting
1:15:12
off of here.
1:15:14
I don't lighting, not big on that
1:15:16
either, but you know, the technical
1:15:17
director says you should get this, you
1:15:18
should get that, and that's what I do.
1:15:20
>> My lighting is a window.
1:15:22
>> Is it really?
1:15:23
>> Yep.
1:15:24
>> Wow. Well, it looks good. I I didn't
1:15:26
know what you're working with there. I
1:15:27
thought maybe you had something, uh, but
1:15:29
yeah, that looks great.
1:15:30
>> Oh, the I mean, the problem is that like
1:15:31
if you if you fast forward through the
1:15:32
video, you see it change constantly, up
1:15:35
and down and up and down. Not really
1:15:37
noticeable if you notice if you do it in
1:15:38
real time, but if I'm making videos and
1:15:40
I have to do a jump cut, like I have to
1:15:42
look for a moment where the lighting is
1:15:43
somewhat consistent.
1:15:45
>> Oh, yeah.
1:15:45
>> unfortunate. I have I have an you know,
1:15:47
an idea that I want to get like the the
1:15:49
sound foam boards, and then like build
1:15:51
like a block that perfectly fits in that
1:15:53
window, so that I can both block sound
1:15:55
and also
1:15:56
completely darken the room, and then get
1:15:58
super bright lamps or something, but
1:16:00
>> That's a good idea, cuz I'm in a I'm in
1:16:02
a basement, and there is, um, a window
1:16:05
they basically like dug out, uh,
1:16:09
next to the house space, and then did
1:16:11
all the stuff so that it drains properly
1:16:13
or whatever. I don't I don't really know
1:16:14
about that, but uh, light does come
1:16:15
through there, but I have, uh, two
1:16:18
levels of curtains, so it's completely
1:16:20
blacked out for the sake of being able
1:16:22
to control the light. Um, but when I
1:16:24
first moved here, I didn't have that set
1:16:26
up yet, and it quickly became a problem,
1:16:28
and so I was able to fix that. And then
1:16:29
I've got a bunch of different I mean,
1:16:31
there's all sorts of lighting here that
1:16:33
you can kind of see that just adds
1:16:35
color. I This is actually I I custom
1:16:37
painted this, uh, background here. So,
1:16:39
this used to just be,
1:16:41
uh, you know, landlord tan and
1:16:45
yeah [laughter]
1:16:47
and
1:16:49
it's a base coat of like a dark gray
1:16:51
color and then
1:16:54
my the one of the engineers at twit
1:16:58
walked me through the process. So you
1:17:00
get a base color in
1:17:02
like a flat and then you get two similar
1:17:06
colors one lighter one darker in
1:17:10
satin finish
1:17:11
and you sort of brush those over the top
1:17:14
and it helps to cause I mean you can
1:17:17
kind of see how the light reflects off
1:17:19
of the the different areas differently
1:17:21
and so that's what's back there but
1:17:24
this is a high LPR 40
1:17:27
I just recently got it back from being
1:17:29
anodized in green so this was
1:17:33
the standard metal and green's my
1:17:35
favorite color so I was like I want it
1:17:36
custom
1:17:38
so I was very excited and then my
1:17:39
interface is a sound devices mix pre 3
1:17:44
Mark II
1:17:46
>> [clears throat]
1:17:46
>> I used to use an Elgato interface and it
1:17:51
was fine
1:17:53
but work had purchased this mix pre 3
1:17:55
Mark II and they're not cheap and they
1:17:58
also have a really good
1:18:00
there's a plugin that's
1:18:02
a noise assist plugin and so it's like
1:18:05
as close to the bare metal as possible
1:18:08
noise reduction that is hard to
1:18:12
to clock it like it's it sounds really
1:18:14
good
1:18:16
and they ended up going the plugin ended
1:18:17
up going on sale and so I was like I got
1:18:19
to get that plugin I'm going to dig out
1:18:20
my mix pre 3 and I'm I'm very happy with
1:18:23
it now
1:18:24
I also the one thing that annoyed me
1:18:26
about it it has this little cuz it's
1:18:29
it's really meant to be kind of like
1:18:30
attached to a camera and used out in the
1:18:33
field first primarily but it can be a
1:18:36
desk setup but the little switch,
1:18:38
because you don't want to accidentally
1:18:40
brush up against it if you have it out
1:18:41
in the field, is
1:18:43
nearly flush. And so, you
1:18:46
I find that it's best if you turn it off
1:18:48
when you're done and turn it back on
1:18:50
whenever you're ready to podcast,
1:18:52
um unlike other interfaces I've had
1:18:54
where they don't seem to care. So, point
1:18:57
is, very hard to switch off and on. So,
1:18:59
I got out my calipers and I uh
1:19:04
made a little um 3D switch, custom
1:19:08
switch, that I 3D printed and attached
1:19:11
to it. So, it's basically like an L
1:19:14
shape,
1:19:14
>> Mhm.
1:19:15
>> um but on the part of the L that sticks
1:19:18
into where the switch is, it's got a
1:19:20
little divot and I took some super glue,
1:19:23
stuck it on the end of the switch, uh
1:19:25
pop popped that in there and now I can
1:19:26
just easily grab the side of it and
1:19:28
switch it back and forth. So, uh that
1:19:30
was kind of a fun little custom uh thing
1:19:33
that I did.
1:19:33
>> I love that. I mean, I've I've just got
1:19:35
a
1:19:36
USB-C connected microphone, which is
1:19:38
very simple, but you know what? And I
1:19:40
don't sound like um another another
1:19:42
regular co-host on here who's on
1:19:43
vacation in Italy, Louis. He has like a
1:19:46
an audio mixer,
1:19:48
whatever. And you know, on one hand, he
1:19:50
does sound much better than the other
1:19:51
two of us, but on the other hand, he's
1:19:53
like fighting with it every single week
1:19:55
because GarageBand like changes his
1:19:57
settings every single week, so he has to
1:19:59
figure out how he went in there. Like,
1:20:01
do do you deal with that a lot, the
1:20:03
software problems?
1:20:04
>> No. Um well, I will say this, um that I
1:20:06
don't deal with, thank goodness. What I
1:20:08
do deal with is
1:20:11
um the
1:20:13
it's the difference of
1:20:18
So, when I'm doing a show, when I'm
1:20:20
doing Clockwise, um this is four people
1:20:23
who are all coming over Zoom, who all
1:20:25
have, you know, widely dif- wildly
1:20:27
different uh setups. And so, as long as
1:20:29
we can hear each other and we can
1:20:33
uh
1:20:33
we can hear each other, and we can hear
1:20:35
ourselves or whatever, and everything
1:20:36
then it's fine. But, with Twitch shows,
1:20:40
it is a little bit more, you know, we've
1:20:41
got to dial that in perfectly for the
1:20:43
live show. So, I do find myself making
1:20:46
adjustments to gain
1:20:48
um primarily because
1:20:50
we're very careful about making sure
1:20:52
that the audio that I am putting out
1:20:55
matches the audio of the guest or
1:20:57
guests. Whereas with Clockwise, if the
1:21:00
audio's a little off for the live
1:21:01
stream, it's fine. It can be edited in
1:21:02
post to make it better. So, yeah, I
1:21:04
don't um have to do too much That's That
1:21:07
was a thing that I did have to do with
1:21:08
the Elgato interface. That's another
1:21:10
reason why I switched away from it is I
1:21:12
found found myself constantly fighting
1:21:13
with the software. And also, if you um
1:21:18
had the interface on its own, and you
1:21:20
didn't have the software running, it
1:21:22
behaved a little differently. And I
1:21:24
don't like that. That's That's the thing
1:21:25
that I don't like. That means that some
1:21:27
like even if it there's like processing
1:21:30
or something happening in there, and I
1:21:31
just want I want you to take the audio
1:21:33
that I'm giving you, and let me be in
1:21:36
charge of how it gets messed with. And
1:21:39
yeah, I didn't Yeah, just didn't feel
1:21:41
like I was in enough control of what was
1:21:43
going on. And so then when issues
1:21:45
cropped up, I'm going, "Hold on, do I
1:21:47
need to open up audio MIDI um explorer,
1:21:50
or do I need to like uh
1:21:52
or audio MIDI setup, I mean, or do Is
1:21:54
this something that I need to adjust in
1:21:56
>> Anytime you need to open audio MIDI
1:21:58
setup on the Mac, that's
1:22:00
you're already in the thick of it. You
1:22:01
>> Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So,
1:22:04
I
1:22:05
that is part of the reason why I
1:22:06
switched to the Sound Devices. It's It's
1:22:10
plug and play once you get it going, and
1:22:13
the most I ever have to do is just touch
1:22:14
this one knob and make adjustments to
1:22:16
it. And
1:22:17
>> Please don't touch it right now.
1:22:18
>> Yeah, exactly. Leave it where it is,
1:22:20
please. So, yeah. Um that's that. And
1:22:24
then for for apps and stuff, I use
1:22:27
eCamm. Used to be called eCamm Live.
1:22:29
Recently, they changed its name to
1:22:31
eCamm. It is a purpose-built Mac
1:22:36
application for live streaming, but also
1:22:40
for just recording video. And
1:22:43
that is primarily what I use it for
1:22:46
for my offline shows that I do, for my
1:22:48
online shows that I do.
1:22:50
I don't use it for Clockwise, but
1:22:52
everything else eCamm is involved. You
1:22:54
got to I've got to show things that are
1:22:55
on my screen a lot or excuse me that are
1:22:58
like a phone. I've got to show what's
1:23:00
happening on my phone or my iPad, and
1:23:01
it's great at at showing those.
1:23:04
It's like OBS,
1:23:06
but not open source. It is a Mac
1:23:10
designed application that is really well
1:23:12
made. I should note they've sponsored
1:23:14
different shows of mine before, but
1:23:16
that's only because I said you should
1:23:18
come and sponsor my shows because you're
1:23:19
great and I love you, and I think the
1:23:21
stuff that you make is awesome. So,
1:23:23
that's it. I liked them before they
1:23:26
sponsored me. I think it's a great app.
1:23:29
Um
1:23:30
I every year for the past few years now,
1:23:35
I run a D&D campaign to raise money for
1:23:40
St. Jude Children's Research Hospital.
1:23:42
And
1:23:44
that is a whole thing with lots of
1:23:47
different guests and showing a map on
1:23:50
screen and have and eCamm is how I've
1:23:52
built all of that out, and so it made
1:23:54
that a lot simpler.
1:23:57
At TWiT, we also use Restream
1:24:00
as a tool for
1:24:03
Restream's kind of interesting because
1:24:05
it started out as just
1:24:07
give us your feed and we will stream it
1:24:10
out to multiple platforms. But over
1:24:12
time, it's become like a full studio.
1:24:15
And so, it has switching options. You
1:24:17
can switch between different scenes on
1:24:19
it and show your your web pages. It's
1:24:22
got all that stuff now. And so we use
1:24:25
that at work
1:24:26
um for certain shows that require it.
1:24:31
Uh but we actually also use eCamm at
1:24:33
work. The technical director on the
1:24:34
other end of the call has an eCamm setup
1:24:37
and is bringing all of those different
1:24:38
views in and stuff to to rock that.
1:24:41
Uh Zoom is primarily the means of
1:24:43
communication that I use. That's first.
1:24:45
That's for Clockwise.
1:24:47
Um
1:24:47
that's for any of the Twitch shows that
1:24:50
I do where Restream is not being used.
1:24:52
It's via Zoom. Um Audio Hijack is my
1:24:56
tool for recording audio locally. It's
1:24:59
running right now.
1:25:00
Um it is the tool that captures the
1:25:02
Clockwise podcast every week. Uh
1:25:04
captures what's coming from the Zoom,
1:25:06
what's coming from my microphone, what's
1:25:08
coming from both. And then, you know,
1:25:11
that can be used for those purposes. And
1:25:14
then on the rare occasion that I have to
1:25:16
edit a podcast, um that would be
1:25:19
Clockwise would be the only one that
1:25:21
where that's the case.
1:25:22
Uh
1:25:23
I use Adobe Audition. And that's just
1:25:27
the tool that I learned originally. And
1:25:29
so it's the one that I've used going
1:25:31
forward as my audio editing
1:25:33
>> Have you Have you considered switching
1:25:34
that up or trying to learn something new
1:25:36
with how Adobe is being Adobe?
1:25:39
>> Um
1:25:40
you know, I don't have
1:25:44
the feelings that some people have about
1:25:46
Adobe. Uh
1:25:48
I I guess I
1:25:50
Excuse me. I've been a
1:25:51
Maybe it's cuz I originally like went to
1:25:53
school for graphic design. I don't know.
1:25:54
I just But I And now I'm not in it. And
1:25:57
so whatever it is, there for some reason
1:25:59
I'm not like as angry at Adobe as a lot
1:26:01
of people are. So I happily
1:26:04
pay my Adobe subscription. And um I mean
1:26:07
I use I use Photoshop all the time for
1:26:09
other things. I use um
1:26:12
Premiere occasionally. I Yeah, I just I
1:26:15
know that suite really well. And so I
1:26:17
haven't thought about changing it up,
1:26:18
but I have used other tools.
1:26:20
I just don't have the time to invest in
1:26:22
them to learn them well enough. So, I've
1:26:25
tried Logic.
1:26:27
I just was kind of lost, to be honest,
1:26:31
with some of the stuff, and
1:26:33
yeah, it just it It's like what If I
1:26:35
don't have the time, and I know this
1:26:37
tool so well, might as well keep using
1:26:39
what I know, and
1:26:41
yeah, I'm just happy with with the other
1:26:43
>> says is true. Logic is absolutely not
1:26:45
designed for podcasters.
1:26:47
>> I Yeah. There's also What is the other
1:26:49
one that people do really like? Is it
1:26:51
Ferrite? Is that the one?
1:26:52
>> Yeah. Yeah.
1:26:53
>> It's got an iPad app, I think, as well.
1:26:55
>> Yeah.
1:26:56
>> That one seems more
1:26:58
standard, and you know, easy to use. But
1:27:00
again, it's like even if it's a
1:27:01
difference of not knowing what the
1:27:03
keyboard shortcuts are, because they're
1:27:04
different, I'm just going to go back to
1:27:07
Audition.
1:27:08
>> [laughter]
1:27:08
>> I can get it cuz That's the other thing.
1:27:10
If I'm editing a podcast, it's because
1:27:13
something is off, like our editor is
1:27:15
unavailable, or whatever, and so it puts
1:27:18
a wrench in my schedule, so I just need
1:27:20
to get it done quickly.
1:27:22
So, yeah, I just haven't
1:27:24
needed to switch. And then, we were
1:27:26
talking a little bit about storage, and
1:27:28
and how what we do can be kind of a a
1:27:30
storage sink.
1:27:32
I use the tool Hazel to do automatic
1:27:35
audio archiving. So, I've got my server
1:27:38
my network attached storage connected,
1:27:40
and Hazel has some different searches
1:27:42
that it looks for to find old Audio
1:27:46
Hijack files, and automatically moves
1:27:48
them over to my network attached
1:27:50
storage. It's funny, because sometimes
1:27:52
the login item that
1:27:54
that
1:27:56
connects to the drive on my network
1:27:59
attached storage doesn't run, or
1:28:01
something happens. And so, then Hazel
1:28:03
It's always whenever I'm on Wednesdays,
1:28:05
when Clockwise is about to start. Boop,
1:28:07
boop, boop. I get all these
1:28:08
notifications saying, "Failed to move.
1:28:10
Failed to move." And I'm going, "Yeah, I
1:28:11
know. I know." And so, I have to then go
1:28:14
in, find her, command K, connect to the
1:28:16
server, we're good to go.
1:28:19
Um I use TextExpander for a lot of
1:28:22
things, but in in particular for naming
1:28:24
files, Jason Snell a long time ago
1:28:29
gave me this TextExpander shortcut that
1:28:32
he used to
1:28:35
basically it goes and it checks the RSS
1:28:37
feed for a podcast and then finds the
1:28:40
number of the file of the audio file and
1:28:43
then increments it by one. And so, the
1:28:45
idea is that when I'm naming
1:28:48
a folder for where my Clockwise files
1:28:50
will go, I hit semicolon C name, and
1:28:54
what that does is looks at the thing,
1:28:56
sees the published episode, so it knows
1:28:58
that what I'm doing is the one after
1:29:00
that, and then it changes the name to
1:29:02
Clockwise 692 or whatever.
1:29:06
And I have that set up for all of my
1:29:08
shows, so they all go and check the
1:29:10
feed, increment by one, and name the
1:29:12
file. And it's actually quick. You you
1:29:14
might think that it would take a minute,
1:29:15
but no, very very quick.
1:29:18
And then I also just use Keyboard
1:29:20
Maestro for other sorts of small macros.
1:29:23
I'm pretty good at AP style titles, but
1:29:27
when I have a little bit of doubt about
1:29:29
them, I've got a little AP style macro
1:29:32
that runs. It goes to an API, an API,
1:29:35
haha,
1:29:36
>> [laughter]
1:29:36
>> and figures out what that needs to be,
1:29:38
changes the proper title case. I just
1:29:40
set up a couple um
1:29:42
that
1:29:44
when I'm inviting people onto my show
1:29:46
Tech News Weekly, cuz that's primarily
1:29:47
an interview show, they always want a
1:29:49
calendar invite, which is totally fine,
1:29:53
but it's kind of annoying to
1:29:56
go into a calendar app and make a
1:29:59
calendar invite and then make sure that
1:30:02
somehow it's getting to them, because
1:30:03
sometimes if you put the email in, it's
1:30:05
actually sending an invite, sometimes if
1:30:07
you do it wrong, it It's very confusing.
1:30:09
So, I
1:30:11
uh with the help of Claude, sort of uh
1:30:14
reverse engineered, although it's not
1:30:15
really it's published, but I didn't know
1:30:17
what was in an ICS file. Reverse
1:30:19
engineered the ICS file and then created
1:30:21
a little macro that um
1:30:23
will ask me like, "What's the date that
1:30:24
you're asking for?" And then it pops out
1:30:26
an ICS file that I can just put into an
1:30:29
email and send it off. And
1:30:30
[clears throat] I don't have to be
1:30:31
involved in that ICS file. It's just
1:30:33
theirs to do with what they want, but
1:30:34
they've added it to their calendar.
1:30:36
Um
1:30:37
and then I've also set one up for time
1:30:40
changes because I am regularly uh asking
1:30:43
people to be on a show, or someone's
1:30:45
asking me to be on a show, and I can
1:30:47
highlight the text, like we were talking
1:30:49
about earlier, and hit that button, and
1:30:51
then it says, "What do you want to
1:30:51
change? What time code do you want to
1:30:53
change this zone do you want to change
1:30:54
this to?"
1:30:55
Um So, those are the different kind of
1:30:57
workflows and and uh setups that I have
1:31:01
for my regular podcasting that I do. Uh
1:31:04
any questions about my setup? I I think
1:31:07
I covered
1:31:08
everything there.
1:31:09
>> Yeah, I mean, what what what are some of
1:31:10
the things you've got behind you? I see
1:31:11
like a big light up S on that uh for
1:31:15
Sargent, presumably.
1:31:16
>> So, definitely that's for Sargent. Um
1:31:18
next to it,
1:31:21
this is kind of cool. Um it was a
1:31:23
>> know why I thought that room was much
1:31:24
bigger when you like just reach back and
1:31:25
picked it up.
1:31:26
>> Did I Did I
1:31:27
That's funny, the the aspect. Um so, it
1:31:30
can be kind of hard to see, but these
1:31:31
are my two dogs, and it's basically like
1:31:33
this etched glass thing um that my aunt
1:31:36
gave me, and yeah, it's both of them,
1:31:39
but it sits on this little LED light,
1:31:41
and then it lights up from underneath,
1:31:42
and it looks really cool. I've got a
1:31:43
bunch of the stuff that I've made in
1:31:45
crafting corner back here as well. So,
1:31:48
up here is a little uh it's like a
1:31:51
coffee shop that's in miniature. And
1:31:54
then over on this shelf, it's really
1:31:56
hard to see cuz it's dark, but um
1:31:59
I and I actually want to get even more
1:32:01
lights to kind of spotlight these areas
1:32:03
and make them light up a little bit
1:32:04
more, but uh we I did LEGO succulents as
1:32:07
a couple of episodes of Crafting Corner.
1:32:09
So, those are all over there. Um fake
1:32:12
plant in the corner. Um
1:32:14
fake bonsai, that's a LEGO bonsai up
1:32:17
there. So, yeah, just a bunch of
1:32:18
different stuff that and 3D printed
1:32:20
stuff as well I like to keep there.
1:32:22
Um most of the lights are Govee. Really
1:32:24
love Govee and especially now that Govee
1:32:27
supports Matter in so many ways, I'm
1:32:28
able to control all of that. Uh the
1:32:31
stuff that isn't controllable via uh
1:32:34
Matter, I just use HomeBridge to um
1:32:38
make use or to to control those.
1:32:40
>> So, do you have automations like you can
1:32:42
just like run a shortcut from your Mac
1:32:43
and set all of the lights in the setup
1:32:46
behind you?
1:32:46
>> Yeah, so I have um this is a Philips Hue
1:32:50
dimmer and I have it set up for
1:32:52
specifically controlling all of this. Um
1:32:55
so, I am able to turn off all of the
1:32:57
lights in the room with just one press
1:32:59
of the button. Uh and then I can turn on
1:33:02
all of the lights with one press of a
1:33:04
button. And then the middle two buttons
1:33:06
are um I forgot that this turns it up to
1:33:09
100%. So, that's an adjustment I need to
1:33:11
make. Um
1:33:12
but the middle two buttons are for in
1:33:15
this window, I have plants and um
1:33:19
they get they get sunlight during the
1:33:21
day, but again it's it's down and so I
1:33:23
actually have some um
1:33:25
like full spectrum LEDs in there that
1:33:28
keep light on them during the day. And
1:33:29
I've got an automation that's set up so
1:33:31
that
1:33:32
at sunset every day they turn off and at
1:33:34
sun uh but occasionally if I have that
1:33:37
window open or something, then I can
1:33:39
easily turn those off as I need to. Uh
1:33:42
I will tell you
1:33:44
these these Elgato Key Lights are only
1:33:46
addressable over the like server or not
1:33:50
server connection, but local area
1:33:52
network connection.
1:33:53
And there have been times um that the
1:33:57
connection gets lost and that has been
1:33:59
the most annoying part of the setup. I
1:34:02
think I just finally fixed it because it
1:34:05
was an IPv4 versus IPv6 thing.
1:34:08
>> [laughter]
1:34:09
>> And
1:34:10
that ended up being a whole deal where I
1:34:12
was like
1:34:15
looking at packets that were being sent
1:34:16
from the control center app on my Mac to
1:34:19
the lights to try to decode how they
1:34:22
were being sent, what was going on and
1:34:24
it ended up that
1:34:26
it was addressing them over
1:34:29
IPv4
1:34:32
but some of the lights had lost their
1:34:34
IPv4 because the default for them is to
1:34:37
use IPv6 if it's available. And there's
1:34:39
no way to tell them to to do IPv4
1:34:42
instead.
1:34:43
It was a nightmare but
1:34:45
once I
1:34:47
had assigned all of them
1:34:49
IPv4 addresses that they could hold on
1:34:51
to in the router.
1:34:53
I power cycled them, got them
1:34:54
reconnected and now in theory
1:34:58
that this will continue to work. So the
1:35:01
one thing I
1:35:01
>> problem to Thomas Edison.
1:35:03
>> [laughter]
1:35:06
>> Can you imagine? Oh my god. That's that
1:35:09
would be really funny.
1:35:11
Yeah. But I'm I'm really happy with
1:35:14
with how things are now. I it's taken a
1:35:17
while to This used to There used to not
1:35:19
be a shelf here.
1:35:21
Used to just be that that background and
1:35:23
it looked fine but it wasn't I don't
1:35:25
know. Wasn't as interesting as it is now
1:35:26
I think and
1:35:29
Yeah, the the 3D printer and stuff in
1:35:30
the shot. I used to not have it in the
1:35:32
shot but I thought oh it adds something.
1:35:34
So yeah. Um,
1:35:36
I don't I'm trying to think if there's
1:35:38
anything else that I use streaming wise
1:35:40
but
1:35:41
that's really it other than I use
1:35:44
it's a it's a piece of software that
1:35:47
basically makes your devices available
1:35:50
on the network as like cameras and so I
1:35:53
have that running on my MacBook Air so
1:35:57
that when I'm trying to show stuff from
1:35:59
my MacBook Air, I can you know address
1:36:01
that in Ecamm. I wish I could remember
1:36:03
what that what that stuff is called.
1:36:06
Uh oh, NDI NDI. It's the NDI suite and
1:36:09
so um I think it's NDI.tools is the
1:36:12
website but essentially Oh no,
1:36:15
NDI.video. That's what it is. It's uh
1:36:19
let's me kind of tell straight what's
1:36:20
you know it's like screen share from my
1:36:23
Mac but it's nice because the Mac that
1:36:26
I'm using this studio, I don't have to
1:36:29
give up a whole screen in order to show
1:36:31
something on my Mac. I can use that
1:36:34
complete separate Mac for it. So
1:36:37
Yeah, I used to have
1:36:38
um
1:36:39
I used to have a uh HDMI
1:36:43
centered system going
1:36:46
with a switcher like a sort of classic
1:36:48
switcher but a lot of the virtualization
1:36:52
stuff ends up working quite well.
1:36:54
Um I am using again an Elgato uh camera
1:37:00
capture
1:37:02
for for getting the Sony into the view
1:37:06
but outside of that, yeah, it's mostly
1:37:08
software. Just it it it works well these
1:37:11
days
1:37:12
um where before you'd get the lag. Don't
1:37:15
really have that. So yeah.
1:37:17
>> And you know, the Macs are so powerful
1:37:18
that they can handle all these things no
1:37:20
problem.
1:37:21
>> Exactly. Yeah, it's running so much.
1:37:23
>> Yeah. I hope some of our listeners got
1:37:25
something out of that if we have any
1:37:27
creators in the listening I and the
1:37:29
audience I know makes me feel inadequate
1:37:31
about my setup here.
1:37:33
>> Why I think you're doing well.
1:37:34
>> Oh, thank you. Thank you very much.
1:37:37
I think that's a wrap. You can find Mika
1:37:39
Sargent as we mentioned at twit.tv. Is
1:37:42
that the URL, right?
1:37:44
>> Yeah, you can go to twit.tv or if you're
1:37:46
just looking for all of my stuff, I
1:37:47
didn't include this in the show notes,
1:37:48
so I apologize. It's chihuahua.coffee, c
1:37:51
h i h [music] u a h u a.coffee. That's
1:37:53
got links to all of the places I'm most
1:37:55
active online.
1:37:56
>> Yep, you've and and
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