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Coming up, testing Siri AI against
0:03
Apple's bold claims, tons of extra
0:05
details we found in iOS 27, the big
0:08
features coming later, and Apple's major
0:10
product launches on course for next
0:13
year.
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Welcome to the Cult podcast. I'm your
0:18
host, Leander Kaney. Joining me today is
0:20
Lewis. I'm sorry, Griffin. Lewis
0:23
Gruis. Hello, Lewis. How are you?
0:26
>> That's dangerously close to Grus.
0:28
>> Yeah. Cool. I'm doing just great now
0:32
that my monitor is working and my Mac
0:36
doesn't seem to be flipping out every 3
0:38
seconds.
0:39
>> What about your cat Theo?
0:41
>> Just just had to ban him from the room.
0:43
He was chewing on an iPad.
0:46
>> Okay. Hello. We also have Griffin.
0:48
Hello, Griffin. Coming in from Ohio. How
0:49
are you?
0:50
>> Good evening. Uh I want to set off this
0:52
episode by setting the record straight.
0:54
Last week, we are unsure about the
0:56
ruling of the allimportant WWDC
0:59
predictions game. Uh, we checked, God,
1:02
>> was that just last week?
1:03
>> Yeah, we checked the transcript and it
1:05
is Stacy Ford who says, uh, in reference
1:08
to Spotlight, we rearchitected the index
1:11
so that it's more stable. So,
1:15
>> Judge Dave Snow ruled in agreement with
1:18
my original grading of the predictions.
1:20
Lewis and I are joint champions uh along
1:22
with listener Stephen Morgan.
1:25
Congratulations.
1:26
>> Yeah, congratulations all.
1:29
>> Wow. I was worrying about that all week.
1:30
I couldn't stop thinking about it. Could
1:32
you?
1:33
>> I I couldn't believe it when I went and
1:35
searched the transcript and saw the word
1:37
stable come out of her mouth. God,
1:39
really? The one mention, one mention in
1:42
the entire thing. Well,
1:45
>> all important though. All important.
1:47
>> You You still won. though.
1:49
>> Yeah. What are you complaining about?
1:51
>> Well, I I didn't win as I didn't win win
1:54
win.
1:56
>> This is This is like a soccer win.
1:58
>> Oh, tie match.
2:00
>> Mhm.
2:02
>> I guess you guys haven't been watching
2:04
the the World Cup, huh?
2:06
>> No.
2:06
>> Just keep hearing about it.
2:08
>> Yeah.
2:08
>> I I heard that they have to uh they have
2:10
to go and remove all of the logos from
2:12
every stadium that they're in. And that
2:14
means that like in Gillette Stadium in
2:16
Boston, they have to like tape over the
2:18
Gillette logo on every single seat in
2:20
the entire stadium. Like 80,000 of them.
2:23
>> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. It was crazy.
2:25
Ridiculous. I saw that too.
2:27
>> Mhm.
2:27
>> FIFA, they're very very um you know,
2:29
careful about their corporate
2:31
sponsorships.
2:31
>> Yep.
2:32
>> There was all kinds of stuff that's been
2:34
taped over as well. Yeah, I saw that as
2:35
well. People pointing out those
2:36
examples. It's been really good though.
2:38
I've been really thrilled by it. I've
2:39
been really enjoying it because, you
2:40
know, I'm a Brit. I I'm the only English
2:42
person that hates football too.
2:44
>> I like the
2:45
>> Is America competing in it because
2:46
there's major league soccer uh as as
2:49
Apple fans.
2:50
>> What one of the best goals of the
2:51
tournament uh yesterday in the England
2:53
versus Croatia game was still by scored
2:55
by a Croatian player who plays for the
2:57
MLS
2:58
>> in um Houston or Dallas. I think he's in
3:01
Texas somewhere. But yeah, he he scored
3:03
this amazing goal um against against
3:05
England and uh uh yeah, it's been
3:08
thrilling. the the whole competition has
3:10
been great. Um, so far there've been a
3:11
whole bunch of great games and I didn't
3:13
even like football. Um, but I I've been
3:15
really enjoying this. It's um it's super
3:17
fun.
3:18
>> All right, let's get on with the show.
3:19
Let's talk about um Siri AI cuz I'm
3:22
still on the the the weight list. Are
3:23
you Are you Did you try to get it yet,
3:25
Louis?
3:26
>> Are you kidding me? Regular software is
3:28
so buggy I can barely use anything.
3:31
>> Yeah, keep the betas at arms length.
3:34
>> Yeah. Well, I put it on my my one and
3:35
only iPhone, which is now almost
3:37
completely unusable. But um and I and
3:39
I'm still on the wait list so uh it it's
3:41
been a bust. But but Griffin, you've
3:43
been testing it out for the last how
3:44
long? Nine 10 days.
3:46
>> Yeah, about that long. Um so what I did
3:49
is I took the three biggest demos from
3:52
Apple's keynote and I tried to replicate
3:55
them with my own questions based on my
3:58
own personal context. And in nearly all
4:01
the tests that performed about as well
4:02
as Apple's examples. So, the one I spoke
4:05
about last week where I tried asking you
4:08
about concert tickets, that was one of
4:10
Mike Rockwell's demos. That went that
4:11
went pretty well. This next demo I I
4:15
kind of rolled my eyes at during the
4:16
keynote itself. Justin Titi, uh, who I
4:19
don't think we've seen before in a
4:20
keynote, uh, started going through this
4:23
bizarre conversation where he's like,
4:25
"Make me, I mean, tie into the World
4:27
Cup. make me a menu for a World Cup
4:30
watch party inspired by two teams that
4:33
are playing. Like, okay, that's that's a
4:36
thing normal people do. So,
4:39
>> I'm glad you had that same reaction. I
4:41
heard that and I said, "What kind of
4:43
people would do this?"
4:44
>> Mhm.
4:45
>> H
4:46
>> good test for for an AI though, right? I
4:48
mean, it's it's a little bit esoteric, a
4:50
little bit it's not, you know, easy.
4:52
It's it's uh it has to pull in
4:54
information from various different
4:56
>> sourc it's it's a good technical demo.
4:58
So I I I did a replicant uh question. So
5:01
I asked what are some big sports events
5:03
happening in Ohio in the next few
5:04
months. I genuinely didn't know the
5:06
answer to that question. It pulled me up
5:07
like a schedule. Uh and so then I asked
5:10
for uh dishes inspired by a baseball
5:12
game between the Cleveland Guardians and
5:14
Cincinnati Reds. And so it pulled like
5:17
iconic dishes from each city. Uh for
5:20
Cleveland, it said, you know, um Polish
5:22
boys, which is a specific kind of like
5:26
a Polish boy.
5:27
>> Yeah. Uh perogis and mustard.
5:31
>> Like is mustard associated with the city
5:34
of Cleveland? I don't know. Uh and then
5:36
for Cincinnati, it said, you know,
5:38
Cincinnati chili, obviously.
5:40
>> What is Cincinnati chili?
5:42
>> Delicious.
5:44
It's where you take uh spaghetti and
5:46
then you serve chili on top of it
5:48
instead of pasta sauce.
5:49
>> You're joking.
5:50
>> It's and and the chili it it was brought
5:52
over by like I think Greek immigrants
5:54
and the chili has like cinnamon and all
5:56
these, you know, kind it's kind of a
5:57
Swedish uh sweetish not Swedish tomato
6:01
based thing, you know? It's got cinnamon
6:02
and other other spices in it. And don't
6:05
forget this. You can get that's just
6:07
that's just a two-way. You can get a
6:09
three-way, a four-way, or a fiveway.
6:11
>> What does that mean? Well, you can add
6:14
uh beans on top or diced onions.
6:18
>> Is that a three-way then?
6:20
>> Yeah. Well, I I I So, if you order a
6:22
four-way, I don't know if there's
6:23
specific things that that is, but a
6:25
four-way would have four items. Diced
6:28
onions and and then the fifth thing is
6:30
uh shredded, really finely shredded kind
6:33
of I guess they say it's cheddar cheese,
6:35
but it's if if anything, it's very mild
6:38
cheddar cheese. Yeah.
6:39
>> But uh
6:40
>> yeah, Cincinnati chili, man. My wife
6:42
hates it. I love it.
6:44
>> I love it, too. You know, anytime I make
6:45
chili uh and I go through the leftovers,
6:47
you know, I get to the end, I start to
6:49
thin it out by just doing it as like but
6:50
over spaghetti. It's excellent. You
6:52
know,
6:53
>> overcooked spaghetti. Don't forget that.
6:54
Overcooked spaghetti.
6:56
>> Yeah, that's why I make it at home. I I
6:59
The thing is like it's it's this iconic
7:00
dish and like you know there's um like
7:02
the the restaurants that you can go to
7:04
in Cincinnati that that serve it. That's
7:07
it's always garbage. like the they don't
7:09
know how to prepare their pasta
7:10
correctly. They don't they don't cook it
7:12
in with the sauce. So, it's the the
7:13
flavor profile is all wrong, but you
7:15
know, do it at home and and you'll enjoy
7:17
it. Uh so, Cincinnati chili um along
7:20
with God and Grater's ice cream.
7:23
>> Geta.
7:24
>> Geta. Sorry, not from
7:26
>> what's ghetto
7:28
is like, I don't know, a pile of glands
7:30
and
7:32
awful that's made into like a weird kind
7:34
of
7:36
uh you know, chub sausage.
7:39
>> It is a Wikipedia Wikipedia a meat and
7:42
grain sausage mush of German
7:44
inspiration.
7:45
>> Mush,
7:46
>> right?
7:47
>> They would call it mush.
7:49
>> Yeah, it's it's got I think it's got
7:50
oats in it and uh maybe even sometimes
7:53
apple. I'm not sure about that.
7:56
>> Very peculiar to the Cincinnati area or
7:58
as they say in Italy. Very particular
8:01
>> particular sounds right very
8:04
>> the deliciousness scale. How how edible
8:06
is it?
8:08
>> Get as you know depends on your depends
8:11
on your uh your your willingness to eat
8:15
awful.
8:16
>> How much you can stomach highly
8:17
processed meats.
8:19
>> Yeah.
8:19
>> Yeah. Anyway, that sounds gross.
8:21
>> So, but anyway, go on. What a what a
8:23
party.
8:25
>> Then then in the demo, Justin TD asks
8:27
like, you know, what's the what's the
8:28
recipe my daughter sent me a while ago?
8:30
So I asked, what was the dessert I made
8:32
for a party a while back? And it
8:34
successfully recalled that I made
8:35
strawberry jello pretzel salad, which is
8:37
another fantastic culinary creation. Um
8:41
although Siri said that I made it six
8:43
years ago when I actually made it last
8:45
month. So kind of maybe it overindexed
8:49
on a while back and it said, "Oh, you're
8:52
asking for something you made a long
8:53
time ago." Um, but you know, when your
8:55
memory is only as long as like a couple
8:57
weeks, uh, then a while back for me
9:00
means like last month. Uh,
9:02
>> yeah.
9:02
>> So then I asked it to put it everything
9:04
together in a menu. And uh if you watch
9:06
the keynote video, like uh Siri answers
9:09
uh Justin in the demo by like making
9:11
this long like written out bullet point
9:13
thing. But for me, it gave like a table
9:15
like it put all the information into
9:16
into like a tiny little mini spreadsheet
9:18
that I could scroll and compare all the
9:20
items. And I I thought that was nicer.
9:22
So I'd say a point up. Maybe they
9:24
changed it between when they recorded
9:26
that demo and when they, you know, in
9:28
the first beta. Uh, this went off script
9:31
a bit, but uh, for me, Siri offered to
9:34
put it all into a list of shopping
9:35
ingredients uh, like into into
9:37
reminders. So, I said, "Yeah, make a new
9:39
list in reminders with everything I'll
9:41
need." It also offered, you know, or I
9:43
can look up specific recipes. Uh, so I
9:46
figured what it was going to do is it
9:47
was going to like look up recipes and
9:49
then look for all the items and add them
9:51
to a reminders list. The the reminders
9:53
list that it made was kind of like
9:54
surface level. It had a lot of really
9:57
basic things. no quantities listed for
9:59
anything, which makes me think that it
10:01
didn't check any recipes. One of the
10:03
items it said was ground beef
10:05
parenthesis for chili. Uh but it didn't
10:08
list any other chili ingredients like
10:10
beans or tomato sauce or onions. So
10:14
>> So only half successful that part, huh?
10:16
>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if it would do it
10:18
correctly and like get it all the way
10:19
across the finish line, I mean, that
10:20
would be excellent. But as stands, it
10:22
got like 80% of the way there.
10:24
>> Well, how how did you feel about it?
10:25
Were you surprised or and pleased? What
10:27
did you think?
10:28
>> Yeah.
10:29
>> Emotional reaction.
10:29
>> It is something that, you know, Apple
10:31
did in a demo themselves. So, obviously,
10:34
it's like a bit of a golden path. They
10:36
know it can do these things. But, I
10:38
mean, just verifying the claim that it
10:40
can do the demo as far as everything
10:42
that Apple showed. I mean, that's that's
10:44
good to know. At least they're not lying
10:45
again like they were two years ago.
10:47
>> Yeah.
10:48
>> Did Did uh Did it add spaghetti to the
10:51
list?
10:51
>> It did. It did.
10:53
>> Well, there you go.
10:53
>> So, it got that at least. you know, it
10:55
has at least a cursory understanding of
10:56
all the food items that it did and, you
10:58
know, knows kind of what goes into each
11:00
thing.
11:01
>> It'd be a good starting point.
11:02
>> And this is all conversational course,
11:04
right? Isn't it? You know, like just
11:06
chat.
11:07
>> Yeah. I think I was mostly
11:09
texting with Siri, but I I I I went back
11:13
and forth between talking to it and just
11:14
texting it. Uh because, you know,
11:16
they're basically the same thing. There
11:18
there's a few things that um that Siri
11:21
interacts with differently whether
11:22
you're texting or talking. Um, I'll skip
11:25
ahead in my notes here. Uh, this is one
11:27
of the misses. So, I tried replicating
11:28
one of Mike Rockwell's demos that he
11:30
gave in the keynote where he's on
11:32
Instagram and he says, "Where is this?"
11:35
Um, or where was this picture taken?
11:37
Something to that effect. And Siri like
11:40
looks at the screen and then tries to
11:41
figure out where it is. And so I did
11:43
that. I went to one of my own Instagram
11:45
posts, a picture that I took of the
11:47
Convocation Center in Athens, Ohio, a
11:49
very iconic building if you're from the
11:51
area. And I tried like just texting to
11:53
it. Where is this? And Siri over text
11:57
didn't want to like look at the screen
11:59
and figure it out. I kept trying to like
12:01
search for locations using Spotlight,
12:04
which isn't what I wanted. But then I
12:05
tried talking to it over voice. And
12:08
talking to it over voice always uses
12:10
Siri AI, whereas texting it tries to
12:14
decide whether it should use Siri AI or
12:16
just regular Spotlight. And it didn't do
12:19
as well. uh it confused it for uh a
12:23
different building in Athens, Georgia. I
12:25
think because the the text Athens was on
12:27
screen. Uh so it it it incorrectly
12:31
stated that the building was uh the
12:33
Georgia Museum of Art in Athens,
12:35
Georgia.
12:37
>> So it's a mixed bag. Uh another demo,
12:40
Justin TD is like asking it about how to
12:42
build a maker space based on plans. And
12:46
again, this is like the kind of thing
12:48
that's like perfectly set up. Like you
12:50
go to all this effort to like have all
12:52
these special PDFs on your computer, but
12:54
you don't know what to do with them.
12:56
That that demo also kind of fell flat as
12:58
like an actual thing that people would
12:59
do. But, you know, the the idea that he
13:01
was trying to show is, you know, Siri
13:02
can look at your files. I can answer
13:04
questions about them. So, I opened a few
13:06
um PDFs that I have in my archive of old
13:10
Apple advertisements and brochures and
13:12
things and said, you know, between the
13:14
Macintosh Plus and the Apple 2GS, which
13:16
is a better computer? And it, you know,
13:18
looked at the files, it brought up
13:20
information about them, I think based on
13:22
what it was reading in there, answered a
13:24
few questions. I asked it a question,
13:27
you know, who was I talking to about,
13:29
you know, computer capacitors? And I I
13:33
didn't really have an answer in mind,
13:34
but it it found something in my email
13:36
history while I was talking to u a
13:38
reader who wrote in asking a question
13:40
about his computer collection. And so
13:42
then I, you know, I said, "Hey, write
13:44
write them an email with all the
13:46
information that you that you found
13:47
about these two computers." And then it
13:48
did, you know, just like the demo. So
13:50
that was another success.
13:51
>> And how good was it? How good was the
13:52
email? Did it it came out pretty good?
13:54
>> Yeah. I mean, like all generative AI,
13:58
it's not something that I would write
14:00
myself. But I can imagine if you're not
14:03
a very good writer, you know, it'd be a
14:04
good starting point. You know, if a
14:07
blank page is intimidating, then, you
14:09
know, it'll it'll at least get something
14:11
there for you, you know. And that's
14:12
that's really like my overall
14:15
conclusion about using it. Like, if
14:17
you've ever used a generative AI or a
14:20
chatbot before, like chat GPT or Gro,
14:24
then nothing that the new Siri does is
14:26
going to like surprise you. like these
14:28
are all features you've seen other AIs
14:30
do before like summarize things but you
14:33
know if you've ever used Siri before
14:36
you're you you will immediately see how
14:38
useful these things will be in your life
14:40
if it's just living on your phone in a
14:42
way that respects your privacy
14:44
thoughtfully integrated everywhere
14:46
across the system
14:47
>> well that you know it's important isn't
14:49
it that um it's more deeply integrated
14:51
than the other AIs isn't it than the
14:52
other chat assistants because it has
14:54
access to all of your data all your
14:55
email Um it and it sounds kind of
14:59
impressive that it can surface up, you
15:00
know, old emails that you wrote 10 years
15:03
ago that you completely forgot about.
15:04
And
15:04
>> Oh, yeah. I mean, I I'll go over another
15:06
useful thing that it did. Um I was
15:07
preparing for like a group breakfast,
15:09
having friends over and um you know, I
15:12
was doing like some prep work at you
15:13
know, the night before and I couldn't
15:15
remember what I agreed to make. So I
15:17
asked Siri and it pulled up my own text
15:20
and it said, "Oh yeah, you were going to
15:21
make, you know, chocolate chip banana
15:23
pancakes, hash brown casserole." it and
15:25
then I asked uh what was the recipe that
15:27
we decided on and then it showed me that
15:30
as well with a link in Safari that I
15:32
recognized you know and it cites all of
15:35
its sources every time whether you ask
15:36
it to or not unlike chatbt so it doesn't
15:40
just say you know I thought you want to
15:43
make this it shows me the message and I
15:45
can see oh based on that date this must
15:47
be what it's talking about it must be
15:49
right
15:50
>> yeah that's important too isn't it
15:51
obviously you know like to give you that
15:53
that confirmation and and to make sure
15:55
that you know it's actually so you can
15:57
actually check it kind of you can say
15:58
okay yeah right that's the one I was
15:59
talking to not some hallucinated
16:01
>> all right cool I mean overall you know
16:04
are how how impressed are you with it I
16:06
mean what's your overall
16:09
>> I thumbs up overall I'd say I'd say four
16:12
out of five if I had to give it a star
16:13
rating so far you know net positive it's
16:16
better than Siri before so without a
16:19
doubt
16:19
>> okay yeah cool
16:21
>> you know another example I was on
16:22
Masttodon and I saw uh somebody posting
16:25
about a Doctor Who book that I was
16:27
interested. I remembered being
16:28
interested in and so I just asked Siri,
16:31
"Have I pre-ordered this book already?"
16:33
It looked it up based on the screenshot
16:35
and then it said yes. And I found the
16:37
the email where it confirmed that yeah,
16:39
I already ordered it like, you know,
16:40
last November.
16:41
>> Well, the funny thing about how did you
16:42
forget pre-ordering, you know, that you
16:44
pre you already pre-ordered the book.
16:46
That's what I want to know. I remembered
16:47
hearing about it, but I also remember
16:49
there was a different Doctor Who related
16:51
book that I was interested in that
16:52
wasn't available in the United States
16:54
and I couldn't remember if that was this
16:55
one or not.
16:56
>> Okay, that's a yeah, so that's a
16:59
generally useful thing, isn't it? Again,
17:01
>> pretty useful thing. All right, so what
17:03
about uh you know, 10 days of the betas
17:06
you've been, you know, what are your
17:07
other impressions about it overall?
17:09
>> Yeah, living with it for a while. A few
17:11
extra thoughts that we didn't get to
17:13
last week because it was such a stuffed
17:14
week. more additional thoughts just
17:16
after living with them for a while. The
17:18
new liquid glass look I was initially
17:21
kind of like shocked when I updated to
17:23
Mac OS because the the solid toolbarss
17:25
at the top are you know a jarring change
17:29
from before with all like the
17:30
progressive blurs and things. I still
17:32
don't I mean it is much more readable
17:34
than before. I still don't know if it's
17:35
like maybe the perfect right solution
17:38
yet because it is very jarring. Um they
17:40
appear somewhere but not everywhere.
17:43
Some apps have like the really hard like
17:45
old style toolbar. Some of them still
17:46
use progressive blurs. I can't really
17:47
figure out if there's like a rhyme or
17:48
reason for when it uses which style.
17:51
Yeah. Another interesting change is the
17:53
liquid glass buttons itself. Before the
17:56
um sort of angle of reflection, like the
17:59
shine that it would show around every
18:00
liquid glass element was at like a 45
18:02
degree angle. And it was like this on
18:04
the home screen as well, like you would
18:05
uh it would be like at a 45 degree
18:07
angle, then you could tilt your phone
18:08
and the reflections would like live
18:09
react on screen. that sort of motion is
18:12
gone. Uh, now all of the liquid glass
18:15
elements have like a fixed reflection on
18:18
them that's like just straight up and
18:19
down, which looks very much more like
18:21
Vision OS in my opinion. And like
18:24
especially in dark mode on the Mac, the
18:26
buttons and everything, they just
18:28
straight up look like Aqua buttons from
18:29
early Mac OS 10 with how bright and high
18:32
contrast they are. The translucency is
18:36
an interesting effect. They they say
18:39
during the keynote that they adjusted,
18:41
you know, the the transparency to be a
18:43
little more readable. It I'd say it in a
18:45
way that kind of doesn't really look
18:47
like glass anymore, but I couldn't pin
18:50
down like what it reminds me of. It
18:52
looks smokier. And I think it kind of
18:54
looks like when you have a cheap piece
18:56
of clear plastic
18:58
uh and then it ages after a few years
19:00
and it's no longer as clear as it was
19:01
before and it looks a little foggy.
19:02
>> Headlights. The foggy headlights look.
19:05
>> Yeah, that's what liquid glass looks
19:07
like now.
19:09
cuz you can still see things sharp
19:12
through the glass, but the glass itself
19:15
is like foggy and not quite as clear as
19:18
it should be. It's interesting. I'm
19:19
getting used to it. There's like the the
19:21
slider where you can adjust the
19:22
transparency of it now. Uh it starts in
19:26
the middle and it goes, you know, so if
19:28
you imagine it going from zero to one,
19:30
like the the slider is at like 0.5, but
19:33
turning it all the way down doesn't turn
19:36
it to zero. it goes from like 0.5 to 0 4
19:40
and then the upper half of the meter
19:42
where you make it more uh more opaque I
19:44
mean that's like going from 0.5 to one
19:46
like you the upper half of it makes it
19:48
completely opaque but you can't make it
19:50
completely transparent you can make it
19:52
slightly more transparent in a way
19:54
that's like barely noticeable so you
19:55
can't quite get it back to the iOS 26
19:57
levels of like clear if you like that
20:00
look
20:00
>> okay
20:01
>> uh I all over iOS you know they made the
20:04
big kurfuffle of uh I every iOS app is
20:06
supposed to be resizable now. And we can
20:08
all read between the lines and see that
20:10
that's in anticipation of the upcoming
20:12
folding iPhone. But I noticed that so
20:14
many apps now have additional horizontal
20:17
layouts. Like it used to be you could,
20:19
you know, you turn your phone sideways
20:20
and it there's only a horizontal like
20:23
layout for it, like maybe one in every
20:25
four times. Most apps are just like all
20:28
portrait all the time. But like the
20:30
Apple TV remote that has a horizontal
20:32
layout now. the the Apple Music now
20:34
playing screen. You can adjust that to
20:36
landscape. A lot of areas have like
20:39
landscape layouts now.
20:41
>> Okay. Yeah. And all that clearly an
20:43
anticipation for the uh for the folding
20:45
iPhone coming in on the floor.
20:46
>> This is an interesting change. Um you
20:49
know how when you're playing music on
20:50
your lock screen, how you can tap the
20:52
album artwork and make it fill the
20:54
screen.
20:54
>> You know what I'm talking about? And
20:56
then Yeah. And then the clock goes from
20:58
being like this big clock in the center
21:00
of the screen to like a tiny line of
21:01
text at the top of the screen. If you
21:04
like that style, you can now make that
21:06
your permanent lock screen layout, a
21:08
really tiny clock. So iOS 26 brought us
21:12
the giant clock that's really tall.
21:14
Well, iOS 27, you can now have a tiny
21:16
clock.
21:19
>> Exciting. Okay,
21:21
>> what an upgrade. This solves the problem
21:22
of if you have like your your lock
21:24
screen set to a picture of somebody and
21:26
like half of their face is blocked by
21:27
the clock. Well, you can make the the
21:29
clock really tiny and have more room for
21:30
your picture. The weather app, when I
21:33
first opened the weather app on iOS, I
21:35
like threw me for a loop because now you
21:37
can toggle between temperature and
21:39
precipitation and wind all on the main
21:42
screen without tapping into like
21:44
separate modules. But the little switch
21:46
that you use to switch between them is
21:48
really tiny and kind of hard to see.
21:50
That was
21:50
>> Oh, I see. Yeah,
21:51
>> that threw me for a loop. On iOS, Apple
21:54
changed how the bookmarks and reading
21:56
list and everything work. Uh, but it's
21:59
completely unchanged on the Mac. That
22:01
surprised me. If you go to, you know,
22:03
hit command Y to bring up your history
22:05
on the Mac, it's exactly the same as it
22:07
was before, that weird interface that
22:09
hasn't changed since 2003. There's the
22:11
new describe a shortcut extension or
22:14
feature where you can create a series
22:16
shortcut just by describing it in
22:18
natural language and it'll use Apple
22:19
intelligence. How this works is
22:21
incredibly complicated. Uh Federico Vici
22:23
went into a lot of depth about it. I've
22:25
used it for a number of things already.
22:27
Uh I spoke about one last week on the
22:30
show, but uh I came up with another one
22:32
that I tested. You might know that if
22:34
you're an Apple News subscriber, you can
22:35
go to like the verge.com and hit the
22:38
share button and tap open in Apple News
22:40
to open the corresponding article in
22:42
Apple News to get around the pay wall.
22:44
That's also the case for the Wall Street
22:45
Journal and the W Washington Post. But
22:48
um I asked it to make a shortcut for me
22:51
that adds a giant button on the top of
22:53
uh all those pages with like an open
22:55
Apple News link. Uh and that worked kind
22:58
of well. It it worked some of the time,
23:00
but still a work in progress. That's
23:03
That's cool. I use uh Yeah. You know,
23:05
like I I always go to the one of those
23:06
dodgy um remove payw wall sites.
23:09
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah.
23:10
>> To get around it. And um
23:13
keep forgetting that even though I'm an
23:14
Apple News subscriber that it's
23:16
available there that I should go check
23:17
it out.
23:18
>> Yeah. But I just had to describe a
23:19
shortcut. And I said, you know, make me
23:21
a shortcut that whenever I'm on these
23:22
websites, there's an open Apple News
23:24
button on a toolbar at the top of the
23:25
screen. And you know, it thought for
23:28
about 15 seconds and then it just gave
23:29
it to me.
23:30
>> Cool. That's kind of Yeah, that sounds
23:31
great.
23:32
>> So, I'll be doing more experimenting
23:34
with that.
23:34
>> All right. So, yeah, let's talk about
23:36
these 10 hidden um iOS 27 features that
23:39
that Apple barely mentioned during WWC.
23:41
I remember that they uh was it a slide
23:42
or something? They they they had like a
23:44
long scrolling list of all these
23:45
different things that they were going to
23:47
>> over 200. Yeah.
23:49
>> Yeah, it was big. It was a big big list.
23:50
But we're we're just going to talk about
23:51
10. So, Lewis, why don't you why don't
23:52
you give us a quick rundown?
23:53
>> I don't even know if we're going to do
23:54
all 10, but uh yeah. So, the first one,
23:57
this is following a public criticism
23:59
from noted tech influencer Justin
24:01
Bieber,
24:02
>> uh, who got on Instagram and complained
24:04
about that. Uh, actually, something's
24:06
true. Uh, the the stupid little
24:08
microphone button in the messages app
24:11
that I can't tell you how many times
24:12
I've hit that when I just want to, you
24:14
know, dictate a message and, oh, I hit
24:16
that. Oh, now I'm recording an audio
24:17
file. And every time I do it, I feel
24:20
like a And I also say, why is
24:22
that button even there? Well, Apple's
24:24
addressed this in iOS 27. Um, it's
24:30
they're adding a new setting where you
24:32
can show a record audio button, start
24:33
dictation button, or neither. So, you
24:36
can set it how you like it. If you are
24:38
constantly sending audio messages, like
24:40
I'm guessing like 01% of the population
24:44
is, you can use it the way it is right
24:46
now. Otherwise, you can be normal and
24:48
have that thing go away. Yay, small
24:51
victories. So, I'm actually thrilled
24:52
about that.
24:53
>> Uh, let's see. Here's another really
24:56
minor change that might make some people
24:58
happy. Um, for years, Apple tied your
25:00
iPhone's ringtone volume to system
25:02
sounds and alarms. With the iOS 27,
25:05
Apple's separating the two things, you
25:06
can adjust your ringtone volume
25:08
independently while keeping system
25:10
sounds and alarms at a different volume
25:11
level.
25:12
>> I know some people who are very happy
25:14
about that.
25:15
>> Yeah, me may
25:16
>> I can't tell you how many times I do
25:18
that. I'm like trying to turn something
25:20
down. I'm like, "Oh, wait. Now I just
25:21
turn my ringer to zero. It's like it it
25:23
never seemed that obvious to me what I
25:25
was doing or why or how it would work
25:27
that way. I mean, as as many years as
25:28
I've used an iPhone, I never was
25:31
actually clear. It's kind of like the
25:32
whole way that the uh now playing app on
25:35
the Apple Watch works, I can never
25:37
actually tell what's going on with that.
25:39
Yeah,
25:39
>> I use it every day. Seems like it works
25:41
differently every every third time I use
25:44
it. It's uh
25:45
>> Sometimes it puts you in the Now Playing
25:46
app, but sometimes it puts you in the
25:48
actual podcast app. It's It's weird.
25:51
>> Yeah. Uh, another one here. Uh, when you
25:54
when you receive a onetime passcode in
25:56
the messages app, this is one of the the
25:57
best things ever, you know, in the
25:59
little the little six-digit number or
26:01
whatever shows up in your keyboard so
26:03
you can just push it in. I mean, that
26:04
that was a stroke of genius, right?
26:06
Well, if they're taking a step further
26:07
in iOS 27, it's going to automatically
26:09
surface your a recent screenshot or
26:11
copied text as a possible keyboard
26:13
suggestion.
26:15
>> Whoa. Yeah, that that actually we should
26:17
have put that at the top of the list
26:18
because that's pretty cool if it works
26:20
out. Uh I can't tell you how many times
26:22
that happens, right? You get uh you have
26:24
to copy it from a especially copy from
26:27
an email all the time, right?
26:28
>> I can't tell you how many times I've
26:30
seen on like like Twitter or threads.
26:32
This is the best feature Apple ever made
26:34
in a screenshot of that. So getting
26:36
those a little more juice.
26:38
>> That really is one of those alltimes,
26:39
man. I mean, when that first started
26:41
happening, I was like, whoa, magic.
26:43
>> That's the thing. It's clickbait, but I
26:44
mean they're right. It is.
26:46
>> Mhm. The mail one, of course, doesn't
26:48
work like worth is worthless, isn't it?
26:50
They they do it now for codes in mail.
26:52
>> Yeah.
26:53
>> But I that just never Sometimes it
26:55
works, but usually you have to go to the
26:56
mail and then go get the mail, get it to
26:58
download all the the mail
27:00
>> and sometimes I can see the email in my
27:01
inbox like it's already there and I can
27:03
see the giant numbers. Like you can't
27:05
find that.
27:06
>> Oh, that's using the mail app, huh? I I
27:08
guess I never uh experienced that
27:10
because I never used the mail app. M
27:12
>> you can create your own wallet passes by
27:14
taking a photo or by entering details
27:16
manually. Great way to you know easily
27:18
digitize your gym membership, library
27:20
card, loyalty card, other other things
27:22
like that that you know if the if they
27:24
don't already exist in there. Uh Apple's
27:27
bringing Mac-like ondevice recovery
27:29
options to iPhone with iOS 27. From a
27:31
switched off state, pressing and holding
27:34
the power button will bring up the
27:35
recovery menu. provides several useful
27:38
tools including recovery assistant,
27:39
software update, diagnostics mode, and
27:41
the option to completely erase your
27:43
iPhone. Don't don't press that last one.
27:47
iOS 27 has a new captured by me filter
27:50
in the photos app. Shows only photos
27:52
you've captured on an iPhone. Filtering
27:54
out images, save from messages or from
27:56
an iCloud shared photo library. That
27:58
seems like a reasonable add-on.
28:02
Uh,
28:03
in iOS 27, the messages app adds a
28:06
playback speed button directly to the
28:08
voice note, making it easy to speed
28:10
things up or slow them down.
28:13
>> For all those people who are recording
28:15
those audio notes, all
28:16
>> Yeah. Yeah. Justin Bieber is going to
28:18
love that.
28:20
>> That's where I That's where my list
28:21
ends, man. I don't know what I I think
28:22
there might have been a couple of other
28:23
things, but maybe we covered them as
28:25
some other thing or whatever, but uh
28:27
smarter, faster network switching,
28:28
smarter copy and paste, stuff like that.
28:30
You can go to our website, you get all
28:32
10 of those amazing uh hidden. By
28:35
hidden, we mean not broadcast from the
28:38
tree top. Well, treetops, I guess,
28:40
rooftops. You don't broadcast from a
28:41
treetop typically.
28:44
Anyway, that's that's all I got.
28:47
>> Well, there's more. iOS 27 isn't
28:50
actually done yet. There's going to be
28:51
some additional features that might
28:52
arrive in September. So, three rumored
28:55
features that Apple didn't mention.
28:56
Dubdub DC might arrive this fall. One of
28:59
them is this new extensions API that
29:01
lets thirdparty AI apps plug directly
29:04
into Siri. Um so quote, "Anyone can um
29:08
see that the AI chatbot picker is
29:10
present, allowing users to easily move
29:11
between Siri and Chat GBT. You can
29:13
expect that list to get longer in the
29:15
future via the new developer framework
29:17
on the app store. This has been entirely
29:19
active and in use inside Apple for
29:22
months. Hopefully it goes public
29:24
sometime soon." End quote. Isn't this
29:26
what the EU fight is all about? But
29:28
apparently not. Um, what's the details
29:31
there, Griffin?
29:32
>> Not quite. This is where you can just
29:34
entirely replace Siri in your system
29:37
with a different chatbot. So, instead of
29:39
having Apple's voice assistant, you can
29:41
just substitute it with, you know, chat
29:43
GPT. So, anytime you hold down the side
29:45
button or evoke it or presumably there
29:48
will be like a vocal trigger phrase as
29:50
well. It'll just bring up chat GPT in
29:52
voice mode instead of Siri. What the EU
29:54
cracked down on is while you'll be able
29:57
to use chatputt instead of Siri, it
30:00
won't be able to access all the things
30:01
Siri can. So it'll, you know, just
30:04
summon it, ChatGpt won't be given access
30:07
to your personal context like the
30:09
semantic index on your phone and it
30:11
won't be able to do all the app intents
30:13
and stuff that Siri can do. That's the
30:16
difference.
30:17
>> All right. Yeah. So the EU is still
30:18
going to be so
30:20
>> Yeah.
30:20
>> Even though you might become Yeah. You
30:22
can use the other ones. does, you know,
30:24
do you think um this is like, you know,
30:26
no one's going to change the default,
30:28
are they from Siri?
30:30
>> No, I mean this would have been a good
30:32
setting to have like a few years ago,
30:33
but we know when Siri wasn't as useful,
30:35
but you know, now it's arriving at the
30:38
exact moment where, you know, just using
30:39
Siri instead is good enough.
30:41
>> Yeah. So, apparently Apple's reportedly
30:43
in talks with anthropic Google and
30:44
OpenAI about such a system.
30:46
>> Uh the new camera app. So, there was uh
30:49
rumors uh that they there was going to
30:51
be a customizable camera app which let
30:53
you uh users choose and pick and choose
30:55
which controls show up. Um that
30:57
apparently is still coming in the fall.
31:00
Uh they did show like a a teased
31:03
redesigned camera app at dubdubdc26
31:05
with a series shortcut and the
31:07
viewfinder for launching visual
31:08
intelligence. Actually, that I'm really
31:09
interested in.
31:10
>> Um but the fully customized one is is
31:12
still apparently coming in the fall.
31:14
>> Um there's also this uh German, this is
31:16
all coming from German, of course. He
31:18
reported that there was going to be a
31:19
simplified version of the modular watch
31:20
face that retains a large clock but
31:22
ditches the huge complication section in
31:24
the middle and works as regular Apple
31:26
watches. The large clock would occupy a
31:28
significant portion of the display with
31:30
a row um showing three small
31:32
complications taking up the rest of the
31:33
space. The new model watch face uh might
31:36
debut this September alongside the uh
31:38
Apple Watch Series 12. So yeah, I was a
31:40
little bit like when I was reading this
31:41
stuff, I was like,
31:43
>> um, it makes sense to hold some of these
31:45
features back, I think, for the big fall
31:47
um, product release, doesn't it? I mean,
31:49
this new watch face is going to be a
31:50
good way to market the new watches. So
31:52
um, it kind of makes sense that they
31:54
held this stuff back.
31:54
>> They almost never show up like talk
31:57
about new watch faces at WWDC. They
31:59
always have a few or if they do, they
32:01
always have more that they introduce
32:03
just in the release version of watch us
32:05
so that they can use that as like the
32:07
marketing image for the new Apple Watch.
32:08
Here's the new Here's the new feature.
32:10
>> Yeah. Yeah. And and half of the new
32:13
watch faces that they add are kind of
32:14
dumb and barely actually tell you the
32:16
time, but wow.
32:20
>> Yeah. They also uh So, let's talk about
32:22
next year. They're going to talk about
32:24
um some next year is going to be a
32:27
really ambitious year for um Apple. Some
32:30
really major products that will be
32:31
coming. Um it's been hyped as one of the
32:34
you know, the biggest product waves ever
32:36
for Apple. Um it uh it's going to be
32:40
coming later in the year unfortunately.
32:41
Um there's going to be three new
32:44
products. Camera equipped AirPods uh
32:47
which are internally codenamed B798
32:50
which puts computer vision cameras
32:51
directly into the stems of of what
32:54
otherwise will look like um normal
32:56
AirPods Pro. Uh they'll have small
32:58
indicator lights on the outside that
32:59
will alert nearby people when the
33:01
Airbuds are sending data to the cloud
33:03
for processing. Uh, and this this this
33:06
this really got me excited this use
33:08
case. You know, you could be standing
33:09
there in right in front of your
33:10
refrigerator uh full of, you know,
33:13
ingredients and you can simply ask Siri
33:14
what to cook for dinner and it'll draw
33:17
on what the cameras see uh giving you an
33:20
answer. It'll it, you know, that that to
33:22
me, you know, I mean, if that works,
33:25
that's magical. That just sounds
33:27
>> unbelievable. Of course, in my fridge,
33:29
it's going to be
33:32
with a bunch of rotten uh fruit and veg.
33:35
Um and and and nasty leftovers.
33:39
>> I could see Siri maybe like being able
33:41
to identify like, you know, that's a
33:43
tomato. Those are bananas. I mean, not
33:45
that you would keep those in your fridge
33:46
necessarily, but like it'd be able to
33:48
identify like the big things, but you
33:49
know, a a packed fridge often has like,
33:51
you know, dozens and dozens of different
33:53
things in tiny little labels and tiny
33:55
little containers. I mean, I I'm not
33:58
sure how accurately sir will be able to
34:00
deduce like your entire inventory based
34:02
on a crummy little IR camera pointed at
34:05
your fridge. You can't even see your aim
34:07
cuz it's
34:08
>> I can see it working if if you like I've
34:10
got this, you know, you start pulling
34:11
things out of your fridge. I've got I've
34:13
got you pull out some ground turkey, you
34:15
pull out, you know, a bag of carrots,
34:17
you pull out whatever, you know, some
34:19
tomato sauce, and then maybe you could
34:21
do it. But there's no way it's going to
34:22
be able to like look at a a packed
34:24
refrigerator and come up with anything
34:26
other than just
34:27
>> I mean, you know, it might give you a
34:29
suggestion,
34:30
>> but it's going to be stupid.
34:31
>> I mean, sure, you'd have to shout your
34:32
pantry as well, you know?
34:34
>> Right. Yeah. I mean, where did that
34:36
example come from? Was that was that
34:38
Gurin's example? What a bizarre thing to
34:40
think about. Anyway,
34:42
>> I this is this is I know this has been
34:44
uh mentioned before in with AIS. I mean,
34:46
I think this is almost like a canonical
34:48
um example of like a, you know, the the
34:51
abilities of an AI because I know this
34:52
has come up before with with a different
34:54
system, not not not not the uh the
34:56
AirPods with cameras.
34:57
>> Mhm.
34:57
>> But anyway, it if that works, it's it it
35:00
sounds fab. You know, and of course, you
35:02
know, it answers the people are worried
35:03
about like will the Airbud will the will
35:06
the AirPods be streaming video of
35:08
people? Will it violate their privacy?
35:10
you know, it sounds like it's going to
35:11
be kind of firewalled just um to uh you
35:15
know, for sending data for for for for
35:18
Siri AI.
35:18
>> I mean, AirPods have tiny batteries.
35:21
They don't they don't have the power to
35:22
constantly stream video.
35:24
>> Well, I I actually I have a you know, I
35:26
I bought this garage um video uh uh key
35:29
keypad that has, you know, motion
35:32
detection and and pet detection and
35:34
it'll it'll it'll package detection,
35:37
face detection. Um, and it burns up the
35:40
battery in about a week. It's completely
35:41
worthless. And this is a big fat battery
35:44
on the thing, you know, like it's got
35:45
two two big cells. Um, I had to turn it
35:48
off cuz I'm not I don't want to be
35:49
charging recharging this thing up every
35:51
week.
35:51
>> So, um, uh, I I turned it off. I mean,
35:54
like in the AirPods, yeah, that's going
35:56
to be an issue, isn't it? For sure.
35:57
>> Well, for sure. I mean, the fact that it
35:59
has that light that comes on, I mean, it
36:01
sounds like it's it's literally going to
36:02
be just it's only going to ever be
36:05
invoked when you ask it a question,
36:08
right? I mean, it's it's not going to be
36:10
just willy-nilly streaming stuff. It's
36:12
just going to be you step out of a
36:14
subway and you say, "Hey, I I'm here in
36:16
New York. Which direction do I turn?"
36:19
>> Well, it says, you know, one of the
36:21
examples is contextual reminders. So, it
36:24
sounds kind of like it may be passively
36:26
monitoring M um the environment
36:30
>> well contextual reminders and walking n
36:32
I don't know I you think it's just going
36:34
to like the lights are going to blink on
36:36
like every 10 minutes or something like
36:39
hey let's see what Lewis is doing now I
36:41
mean is that what it's going to be
36:44
>> you know I don't know questions to be
36:45
answered
36:47
>> hey Griffin bought some uh pretzels and
36:50
some strawberry Jell-O what could he
36:51
make with it
36:53
>> a disgusting salad
36:57
in quotes.
37:00
>> Uh yeah. Anyway, I was I was excited
37:02
about these. I I think um I think they
37:04
sound, you know, they sound potentially
37:07
very very interesting. Um and of course,
37:10
you know, this is like I don't Well, we
37:12
saw those those glasses this week from
37:14
space from Snapchat.
37:16
>> Yeah. From from low Earth orbit or
37:18
orbit. We saw them.
37:21
>> There's been some hilarious memes about
37:22
that. There was one where he's being
37:24
interviewed on TV and then it shows
37:26
inside the glasses he's playing Candy
37:28
Crush. Smile all the time. It's like
37:30
it's really funny. Really, really funny.
37:33
Yeah, those things look um goofy as
37:35
heck. I mean, they uh obviously this is
37:37
the worst version they're going to be.
37:38
They they are going to get smaller and
37:40
and uh and and more manageable, but like
37:43
this is what happens when you try to
37:44
cram all the processing and the
37:46
batteries into um into a frame.
37:49
>> Uh this is what you end up with. They
37:50
they look kind of comically ridiculous.
37:52
Um, you know, Apple's version might be a
37:54
lot thinner and uh easier.
37:57
>> Mhm.
37:58
>> So, uh, yeah. So, apparently this these
38:00
AirPods were supposed to launch this
38:02
year in 2026.
38:03
>> I know. I was I was excited.
38:05
>> Yeah. Uh, Apple's software challenges of
38:08
AI, you know, push the timeline back.
38:10
And apparently this Oh, so here we go.
38:11
Yeah. The smart glasses cenamed N50
38:13
designed to compete with Meta's Ray Boom
38:15
Friends could arrive as early as late
38:17
next year as well, uh, 2027.
38:21
Um, so the also a company is going to be
38:24
the very first uh Apple's going to be
38:26
doing the first foldable iPhone this
38:28
coming September. The one next year will
38:30
be the follow-up, the second the the
38:32
second version code name V78. That made
38:35
me think of um the juice.
38:37
>> Uh but um it'll arrive late next year
38:40
and the cadence signals that Apple's
38:42
going to be treating this as a an annual
38:44
annually updated product uh rather than
38:46
like a sort of one-off experiment.
38:47
They're going to run it's going to run
38:48
on some 2nmter chip. the A21 which Apple
38:51
calls Nexus internally. I
38:53
>> mean means it means they're moving to 2
38:54
nmters next year. That's a that'll be a
38:56
big move for them. They moved to 3
38:57
nanometers like three years ago. So
38:59
they're spending quite a bit of time on
39:00
there.
39:01
>> Yeah. Well, this is if they can get the
39:02
chips made at all.
39:03
>> Yeah.
39:03
>> Um that that seems like it's a little
39:05
bit in doubt.
39:06
>> Mhm.
39:06
>> Uh and there's going to be two two an
39:09
the anniversary iPhone. Um they're going
39:11
to have uh two models
39:14
uh which uh the feature displays that
39:16
extend nearly to every edge with glass
39:18
that curves around the side of the
39:19
device. Um these are called uh V73 and
39:23
V74. The German loves his code names,
39:25
isn't he?
39:26
>> I think he does them just for me. I love
39:29
a good code name.
39:31
>> Apple So looking further, Apple plans to
39:33
move um its 2028 flagship uh chips to a
39:36
1.4 nanometer manufacturing process. Uh,
39:39
and that will be done primarily by TS
39:41
TSMC, but potentially uh bringing Intel
39:44
into some production capacity. And
39:46
wasn't that uh talked about this
39:47
morning? I I haven't had a chance to
39:48
look at the news yet, but I think uh
39:50
there was a headline, wasn't there, that
39:51
Apple's being hailed that Apple's going
39:54
to be teaming up with with Intel for
39:55
domestic uh chip production.
39:57
>> I mean, this says that like next year
39:58
they're moved to 2 nmters and then the
40:00
year after that in 2028 they're moving
40:02
to 1.4. Like that's a crazy aggressive
40:04
timeline if you think about it.
40:07
>> What was it before? I mean, how long
40:08
they've been on 3 nmter now?
40:10
>> They they've been on I mean 3 nometers
40:11
for I think 3 years or so. Something
40:14
like that. Don't know off the top of my
40:15
head.
40:15
>> What comes after 1.4? How far how low
40:18
can they go?
40:19
>> It's already at a sort of atomic scale
40:21
now, isn't it? Isn't Aren't they
40:22
talking.9 below below nanometers?
40:24
They're you're talking in uh angstroms.
40:26
That's the next unit down.
40:31
>> And down that I guess quantum foam. So,
40:34
>> okay. Well, very exciting stuff. Uh Is
40:38
anyone excited about the 20th
40:39
anniversary phone?
40:40
>> I mean, I'm always excited about a new
40:42
iPhone. Uh, if it's definitely different
40:44
and definitely has like a really cool
40:46
design that's cool, uh, that's actually
40:48
cool and actually useful and not just,
40:50
you know, different to be different. I
40:53
mean,
40:54
>> like the iPhone Air,
40:56
>> I still have a little thing in my heart
40:57
for the iPhone Air. Have still uh I I
41:02
mean, I guess I like basically all the
41:04
iPhones. I mean, I I I haven't had one
41:06
yet that I'm like, "Oh, this is
41:07
terrible." I mean, the heavy ones with
41:08
the the sharper edges or whatever,
41:11
slightly less good in the hand, but in
41:12
general, I'm always almost completely
41:15
thrilled with any iPhone that I upgrade
41:17
to. Uh, I started thinking about these
41:19
glasses more. I I'm getting more
41:22
interested in them. Um, we were talking
41:24
last week about like having the audio,
41:26
you know, being able to hear the audio,
41:28
right? And that would be perfect for
41:30
listening to podcasts and stuff.
41:32
Perfect. don't even have to jam an
41:33
AirPod in your ear.
41:35
>> So, I'm kind of I'm kind of excited
41:37
about that.
41:38
>> Well, the audio on the Vision Pro is
41:39
actually fantastic, isn't it? And in the
41:41
Vision Pro headsets are the ones they
41:42
have in the uh
41:43
>> Yeah. And in the stems there, like you
41:45
you they're no bigger than like iPhone
41:48
or iPad speakers, but they sound
41:49
excellent just because they're like
41:51
right next to your ear. It's crazy.
41:54
>> Um
41:54
>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, another detail in
41:56
this story, he he says that like the uh
42:00
iPhone Air 2 or iPhone 18 Air, whatever
42:02
they're going to call it, the the second
42:04
generation iPhone Air isn't launching
42:06
this fall. That's going to launch next
42:08
year alongside the regular iPhones. And
42:10
um he's he also pushed back that the
42:14
folding iPhone is delayed. I think it
42:16
must have been like Mingchi Quo who said
42:18
that Apple's delaying the folding iPhone
42:19
as well, but Germit said, "No, no, it's
42:21
still still launching this fall. Still
42:22
launching this fall." So, we'll see. I
42:24
mean, that's the only iPhone.
42:25
>> Redesign camera app.
42:26
>> It's the only iPhone I'm interested in.
42:28
You know what? Does it fold? No. Yeah.
42:31
Couldn't be bothered. What's the point?
42:33
>> Yeah.
42:34
>> It's kind of hard to get uh excited
42:36
about the second gen folding iPhone. You
42:38
haven't even seen the first gen folding
42:40
iPhone.
42:40
>> Yeah.
42:41
>> Right. Yeah. Yeah. Good point. Good
42:43
point. I I I'm very excited about the
42:44
folding iPhone, too. I think that thing
42:46
is going to be, you know, a big a big
42:48
hit. Um, let's uh let's let's talk about
42:51
we we got a we got a very good question.
42:55
>> What a week it's been.
42:57
>> This question came to me via Masttodon
43:00
from DJ Cybersic.
43:02
Cyber Sonic, it's a French spelling who
43:05
says, "Dude, what's up with the King
43:07
Hills casino postings coming up on the
43:09
Cult of Knack RSS feed? What's the deal
43:13
with that?"
43:14
>> Yeah, good question. Good question.
43:16
Unfortunately, we got hacked. We the
43:18
website got hacked uh and it was tricky.
43:21
It's a really really tricky hack and
43:23
they posted up um a b maybe was it six
43:27
seven eight maybe
43:28
>> I think it was maybe five for King Hills
43:31
Casino which I'm sure is a lovely
43:33
casino.
43:36
>> I'm betting I'm betting so
43:38
>> a bunch of spam posts which which we
43:40
quickly tried to delete. Um but
43:42
unfortunately they they also uh
43:44
installed a back door which allowed them
43:47
to uh in the middle of the night post up
43:49
uh a similar number about half a dozen
43:52
post to Apple news um about the casino
43:54
and some other stuff too. There was
43:56
actually some Russian posts which I
43:57
which I did I couldn't understand. They
43:59
were in cerillic and and some some
44:01
Indian stuff too as well. Something in
44:03
India
44:04
>> and the the the ones on Apple News were
44:06
really tricky because they deleted the
44:08
corresponding posts in WordPress. So
44:10
they only showed up in Apple News and uh
44:12
I only found about it because because of
44:14
some emails that Apple had removed some
44:16
posts for you know violating their um
44:19
their spam policies or whatever it was.
44:20
In fact, that was the one that really
44:22
worried me the most. Anyway, our our
44:23
tech team who who were good actually
44:26
they they we changed all our passwords.
44:28
We set up two two two FA two- facet
44:30
authentication. Um, but they'd the the
44:34
the hack had actually installed another
44:36
backdoor that harvested the admin
44:39
passwords as we logged in, which is
44:42
crazy. Um, and so they they caught that
44:46
this this last night and said that uh
44:50
they've done a really careful sweep of
44:52
all of the the server and and the uh the
44:55
WordPress system and and it should be
44:56
clean now. and we're good to go.
44:59
>> It's not creepy at all. Not creepy at
45:01
all that they were able to get the new
45:02
admin passwords immediately.
45:04
>> Uh,
45:06
>> and this isn't even the the new AIdriven
45:08
stuff as far as I can tell. This is, you
45:10
know, it may be have some AI component,
45:13
but that the new AI hacking stuff is yet
45:17
to come
45:18
>> uh in, you know, in a big way. So, yeah,
45:20
it's pretty worrying. I mean, we got we
45:21
got hacked about maybe how long ago was
45:23
it, Louis? About a decade ago, maybe.
45:25
>> Yeah, I can't even remember. It seems
45:26
like five years, six years, I don't
45:28
know.
45:29
>> Yeah, we got we we we did become a
45:31
little bit, you know, complacent, I
45:33
think, to be honest. Um, we weren't
45:34
really, you know, two factor
45:36
authentication. We hadn't had that uh on
45:38
the system before. I don't think
45:40
WordPress out of the box supports it.
45:42
But, but, you know, 10 years ago, that
45:43
was a really tricky one and that one
45:45
took took weeks to to to solve. And that
45:47
one like this, you know, tidied us up
45:49
and deletes stuff. It was deleting
45:51
deleting all kinds of logs and uh
45:53
database entries. So it was difficult to
45:55
um to to find you know what was going
45:57
on. It it gave itself away I think
45:59
because there was some login at 12:01
46:02
every every you know every night it was
46:04
and and it was the fact that it was
46:06
there was some activity at the same time
46:07
every night that that was a clue for for
46:10
whoever you know helped us track it down
46:11
this last time. So yeah apologies we got
46:14
hacked. Um hopefully we have fixed it.
46:19
If you see any casino buzz on cult of
46:21
Mac, you got to know where it's coming
46:23
from.
46:24
>> It's not just our new sponsor, although
46:26
we're almost out.
46:28
>> Yeah, we don't have a new new uh we
46:30
don't have a new sponsor. Sponsorship
46:32
for that. Yeah,
46:32
>> sponsorship opportunities are available
46:34
though.
46:35
>> That's true. Yeah. Yeah. King Hill
46:37
Casino, reach out.
46:41
>> First one's free.
46:43
>> They've already had their first one.
46:46
>> They have. They have. Yeah. All right,
46:48
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46:51
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