iPhone 18 colors + our ‘Apple Experience’ predictions! (Cult of Mac Podcast #9)

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Coming up, thanks to the success of Cosmic Orange, new colors are coming to the iPhone 18 Pro, but they're a bit
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WTF. The super clever way the first touchscreen Max will work, exciting changes in iOS 26.4 beta 2, and even
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weirder keyboard setup than last week's, plus our predictions for next week's Apple's announcements.
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Welcome to the Cult of Mac podcast. I'm your host, Leader Kenny. Joining me today, D Griffin Jones, coming in from Ohio. Hey, Griffin.
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Good evening. I didn't prepare anything. How are you? I'm very good, thank you. Lewis from San
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Francisco. Lewis, what's going on? Hey, hot and humid San Francisco. What is going on? Yeah, it's foggy today. And Casey Les
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coming in from Richmond, Virginia. So, welcome to the show, Casey. Thanks very much for joining us. Thank you for having me. It is very
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rainy over here, so I'm not sure if I'm channeling the UK or San Francisco. It's not foggy, it's rainy, but you know, I'm
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doing my best to include everyone. All right. Yeah. Well, thank you. Yeah, we've got the whole We've got the all the weather here. All the weather.
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All the weathers. It It's in the 50s in Ohio now, isn't it?
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It like Nope. It It is uh 32 degrees where I am dropped. There's still snow on the lawn.
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It was uh It was in the 50s earlier this week, right? Or late last week, I think. Like, yeah. A week ago, it was
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pretty warm. But no, then we got another like continuous 48 hours of snow. So, that was fun.
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Awesome. And then and then I spend all that work shoveling and then the next day it's sunny enough to melt it all off the driveway. So, what was the point?
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I thought you like shoveling, though. I thought that was your f one of your favorite workouts. Well, I I am proud to say I've never shovelled a driveway in my life, and I
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hope never too. You're not missing much. Yeah, I think that enthusiasm was before the winter actually hit when I told you that.
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I hated shoveling snow. And And you're absolutely right. It's like, what if I just put it off for a day? Mhm.
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Yeah. That's the funny thing about Richmond is that we don't get snow often, but when it does happen, typically what'll happen is it'll warm up during the day and some of it will
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melt and then it'll get freezing cold at night and so now you have like this nice sheen of ice on top of everything. It's
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no fun. It's not delightful. Super treacherous. Super treacherous. Well, we almost got some snow here,
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didn't we, in the Bay Area last week, uh, for the first time in 30 years or something. Oh, great. Crazy.
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It never did show. It never did show. No. But anyway, let's let's talk about the iPhone 18 Pro. And this is this is a
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good one. How it's going to double down on bold new colors. Lewis, what's going on there? Yeah. Well, I mean, as everybody knows,
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Cosmic Orange was a hit. Apparently, also a giant hit in China. Like people love it in China. So, uh,
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now Apple is considering a deep red color for its next lineup. According to
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you know who, iPhone 18 Pro is still 7 months away. lot could change by then. Blah blah blah. Rumored red shade could
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end up looking similar to cosmic orange. What? Yeah. What? What? It's undistinct. Unclear how
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distinct the final color options will be. Uh also another part of this is all
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coming from German in his newsletter, of course. Uh and he's saying that
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Apple might not discontinue Cosmic Orange. This this whole thing just gets weirder and weirder. I don't know if
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he's like hitting the pipe or what, but it's uh
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And then you know and then it's like as for rumors about purple and brown iPhone 18 Pro colors G said probably just
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variants of the same red idea given that the tones are fairly similar. What
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this is all completely nonsensical. I I was reading that I was going man what what happened here? Anyway, uh I
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mean I was wondering if it' be a pro maybe they would release like a a product red iPhone 17 Pro like even next
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week. I mean it could happen, right? They used to do that mid cycle. Uh and I
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I don't know why they quit making those iPhone those product red iPhones anyway. I mean people loved them. They were they
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were I always thought they looked great. I mean I've very rarely got one because it's midcycle, right? You always want to
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get the latest greatest thing the day it comes out. I think the last product red one they did was also not on the mainline iPhone. It was on the iPhone
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SE. The iPhone SE 2 came in red and it was cool cuz you know black and red is like you know the the the Sith colors if
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you're a Star Wars fan I think. Uh but um yeah, they used to do the midcycle colors on like the iPhone 12 as well
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which came out late in the purple color and I was like ah I I wish I hadn't bought an iPhone months ago because I
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could have gotten a purple one and it was an excellent shade of purple. But um yeah, they used to do that. It was it was always interesting and uh always
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always made me a little bit uh jealous, right? Cuz there were always better colors than they had released 6 months
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ago. Mhm. Anyway, so who knows what's actually coming. I mean, I think the good news is
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that Apple, you know, they finally released a iPhone Pro in a color that
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was an actual color and uh wow, people bought it. And so uh you know, Tim Cook
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loves that money. This is why this story makes no sense at all because like in in in China it was way off the charts in
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China, wasn't it? And the cosmic orange was a massive massive hit there and uh this is like a super cycle because I
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think you know largely because of that color and um so the lesson for Tim Cook
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is to go back to boring weird colors like you know deep red and uh brown.
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What's going on? I I think he might have taken the wrong lesson from it because it's not like people were so infatuated
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with the color orange that you oh we should double down on you know the the warm hues like you know red and purple
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like it's just because it was a color at all you know it's not like people are so tied to orange that you know we're going
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to keep it for the iPhone 18 and then we'll still be selling orange ones along with our other color like whatever other
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color they make is you know probably going to be better than orange. Well, the funny thing is like, you know, the pro the pro colors are always so muted.
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Like I have a a bluish I forget the actual technical term for the color, but the bluish, you know, iPhone and iPhone
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Pro and it's I I like it, but it's also vaguely purpley and it's certainly not
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as loud as the orange. And I have seen so many orange, you know, iPhone 17 Pros, just an absurd amount of them. My
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wife has one, uh, one of her alma moater's colors is almost identically orange, so it makes sense that she would
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be into it. But uh I've seen so many people with the orange phone and I am not at all surprised that it sold incredibly well because they're they're
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so boring. Like this is a very lovely muted bluey purple, but I mean I would
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much I would vastly prefer a much louder blue or a much louder purple if given the choice. Yeah. Yeah. I mean this has been the
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same thing that people have been saying for years, isn't it? That Apple should do pop colors on the Pro lineup, not the muted ones. What So what do you think of the orange,
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Casey? Do you like the orange itself? I do. I do. It's a little a little too loud for me because as of even with all
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this whining I'm doing, I would prefer something slightly toned down from that particular orange. But I would
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definitely like a louder version of, you know, the the the one that I have uh right now. And I I definitely am fully
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on board with them going hog wild and trying something that one of you just said it a minute ago, something fun like
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the orange, whether or not one enjoys that particular orange, it's fun. And the the the pro colors, the pro hues
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that they've always used have almost always been boring. Like there was the forest green from like three or four years ago, which I really really liked,
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but it was a very very dark green. You know, it's like I I can't recall a time that there's ever been a more vibrant
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color than this orange in the Pro line anyway. And every year I look at the non-pro phones and think, man, do I want
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to give up whatever in order to get a nonprofit when it comes to cameras, I say, no, I
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do not want to give up, you know, the good camera and get a a regular phone. But golly, I wish I could have their
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colors. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's This is a strange situation, isn't it? Because, you know, maybe Well, we'll see when the
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iPhone 18 Pro Pro comes out, but I wonder whether they will go bolder. They've always Are you still Do you
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still like the orange shirt, Lewis, that you bought? Yeah, I mean it, you know, uh it is bright and bold, but I mean I
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think even it could have been more bold. That's I'm I'm the opposite. I I like I wanted to have like, you know, sparkle.
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I wanted to look like a hot rod. Yeah. Uh
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you know, but yeah, it's all right. I mean, for me, orange is not my favorite color. I don't mind orange. I was But I
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I bought it. I honestly I bought it just because, hey, here's the first time they've actually made one. been griping
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about this for years. Yeah. So, you know, here's one more pile of money that Apple gets. And, you know, I
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think that's the only way you can send a message to Tim Cook is just, you know, more. We sold more of that. So, now
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let's make more of that. So, uh, the big folding iPhone that everybody's all hot and bothered about coming later this
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year. Guess what? They're going to stay away from fun colors. According to Gurin, stick to dull, boring, uh, some
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kind of dark gray or black or some kind of white or silver. It's kind of kind of like the, you know, the original
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iPhones. Uh, just boring. Boring, predictable, inoffensive. I think
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inoffensive. Well, this is this has got to be something to do with inventory management, right? Surely. Like, you know, they're going to see if this thing
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is is has any traction before they'll start making it in different colors. And I'm guessing that black and white are,
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you know, they're probably the the the bestselling colors in the in the, you know, for all the iPhones. So, safe
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choice for a new product that has no uh, you know, proven market yet and then the fun colors will come later.
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I mean, here's my thing. My thing, though. If they're only going to do like black and silver, why even have black
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and just just make one that's like both silver and black like the iPhone 4, you know, you know, that only came in one
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color like pure black glass on one side and like the pure unadorned silver on the other side. Like why even bother
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having two colors if they're both going to be just like light gray and dark gray? You know, like a black and white
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checkerboard pattern. How would that be? How'd you like that, Griffin? Well, I like that two-tone look. You
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know, the two-tone look there looks uh looks great, I think, on most most products. Then when you open it up, you could use
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it as a chessboard. You get little magnetic chest pieces. Yeah. Yeah.
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I mean, it's a pretty it's going to be a pretty square device, so that would that would work out. Cases for that thing are going to be weird, aren't they? They're going to
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have weird cases um because of the fold, isn't they going to they're going to have to you know, how they going to how
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are they going to have a hinge on a case? I saw somebody who had a folding phone and the case basically worked kind
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of like a bumper that went around each half of it and then down the middle it
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was sort of like the spine on a hard cover book so that when you opened it up it like still protruded a little bit and
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um it was like sort of wide and flat and then you could like still like kick out a little kickstand from the spine and
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have it like sitting up you know like a little tablet. Um I don't know if Apple's gonna do something like that. Uh but that that
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would be interesting. I'm I'm curious to see what they'll do and what third party accessories do. All right. Well, let's thank let's let's
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newsletters.cult.com. So, thank you. Let's talk about this new interface. And I thought this is super
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clever um on the touchscreen max. Uh this really made sense once you read
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about it. So, you know, like I was watching um this video from 2010 when Steve Jobs at one of his keynotes
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flashed up a picture of I guess it was a of a MacBook and he said, "We've done loads of user testing and it showed
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someone with their finger trying to touch the screen." and he said, you know, it it just doesn't work. Your arm gets tired and then it wants to fall
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off. It's an ergonomic nightmare, so we'll never do it. But, you know, here they are. They're going to do something.
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Um, and according to numerous leaks and rumors, you know, the touchcreen is going to be coming in the fall 2026.
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Uh, and Apple's solution to having um, you know, putting adding touch is an adaptive interface that responds
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differently depending on whether you're clicking a cursor or using your finger. So, if you tap the screen, Mac OS 27
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will reportedly show a contextaware menu positioned around the touch point with options that are easier to touch with a
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finger tip. And if the person taps the same item with a menu bar at the top of the screen, sorry, at the top of the
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screen, the set of controls will enlarge uh easily to to make it more easy to select with your finger. So, this thing
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is going to change uh depending whether you tap it with your finger or whether you use a mouse. But, so if you use a a
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a cursor and the mouse, none of this will happen. uh it'll continue to look much like Mac
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OS Tahoe does now. So it'll still be a Mac, but it's just a new way to interact with. And I thought this was super super
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clever. Yeah, I think this is Apple at its finest, right? Which is let's take what
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is the status quo and you know there's been there's been touch enabled uh PCs for a long time now. And let's ask, you
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know, a how can we make it better? B, you know, how can we sprinkle our little special sauce on top, if you will. I don't know how you're sprinkling sauce,
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but go with me on this. And then um and on top of that, you know, let's rethink, you know, all of the assumptions that
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everyone else made. What if we don't make those same assumptions? And this is one of those classic examples of as soon
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as you hear it reported or you see it in action, you go, "Oh, of course, that's how it always should have worked." But
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you don't see me coming up with this of my own valition. So, this is what this is one of the examples of what makes Apple Apple, right? And I mean that in a
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complimentary way. Uh I think this sounds really great. I I can't say that I've yearned to touch the screen on my
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MacBook Pro, but I will say that there are definitely times that I'll go to like scroll from time to time,
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especially if I've been using my iPad recently, and I'll think to myself, "Oh, that's interesting. I I'm not sure why I did that, but it would it would it hurt
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if it worked, you know? Is it really going to hurt anyone if I could scroll on the screen?" I don't know. I mean, obviously I'll
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have, you know, my gooey fingers, if you will, all over the screen, but but leaving that aside, you know, I don't
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think there's any harm in that. And I think as long as Apple holds on to what makes Mac OS great and doesn't
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completely, you know, sell its soul in order to make Mac OS touch first. I
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think this sounds like it really could be the best of both worlds. Yeah, because I have you ever used Griffin, have you ever used a a touch
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screen PC? At my old job, I I ran into it was mostly PC based, unfortunately. So, I had a
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number of PCs and I even had like the uh we even bought as like a company computer for somebody the uh the Surface
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laptop that can detach uh the screen as a tablet. And it was interesting.
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Interestingly, that the person who uh had that computer didn't know that that happened. And so I asked, "Oh, have you ever detached a screen?" And they're
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like, "What?" And I like sort of looked at the keyboard for a second. I pushed the button and I pulled it off and like their mind was blown. Um, which honestly
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I think maybe says more about Microsoft's product design than about the technical capabilities of that person, that it wasn't even obvious that
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that was a thing they could do. Um, yeah. And like I also remember installing Windows 8 on a PC that I had
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when that was new. And you know, as as Ed pointed out in this article, um, like
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Windows 8 tried to redesign the entire operating system around touch when there were virtually no touch PCs at the time.
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The category hadn't really taken off yet. And it sort of ruined both worlds.
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And it also didn't help that they just had filled it with tons of bizarre decisions like, "Yeah, let's have
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everything scroll horizontally in tiny little columns of text as part of Metro design." Like, what? Why would you do
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that? And you know, they they they tried to go all in on the the ribbon. Like the ribbon was their idea of let's redesign
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menu bars as a touch first thing that you know, you can just quickly browse through visually. Um, but then they
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didn't really make it a standard user interface element outside of Microsoft Office. And they didn't like they didn't put it put it in the file explorer until
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like kind of recently like a few years ago in Windows 11. So like this is why we say yeah Apple doesn't do things
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first but they do things better because they actually you know design the whole widget from the beginning and they can you know accommodate it from all parts
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of the you know operating system. They also have much greater control over their own uh you know APIs like you know
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Windows 90% of all Windows applications are still based on like the Win32 API from 30 years ago with Windows NT. So,
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you know, Apple exerts much more control over these things and I I think that they could actually come up with a competent product. And, you know, the
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the Steve Jobs quote that everybody revisits, he says, "Oh, you know, after after 10 minutes, your arm feels like it
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wants to fall off." But, you know, that's kind of coming at it from the naive perspective of you're not you
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don't have to touch the screen. You can still use it as a MacBook and use the trackpad, but the screen is just there
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if you're showing something to somebody and they just want to scroll really quick instead of reaching over to your trackpad.
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Yeah, I wonder what kind of interactions that they're anticipating people are going to be using it for because it is a bit of a you know kind of fish or foul
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situation really but I think like like uh Casey was saying I think everyone instinctively these days goes to you
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know goes to touch the screen there are so and like uh I've got an old bike computer that doesn't have a touchcreen
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and every single time I try to use it I try to touch the screen and then I remember oh no it's the buttons and I
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hate the thing because of that but um so but you know I I beyond scrolling I
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don't know it it I I kind of I'm having trouble imagining um you know sort of workflows or I guess
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you know maybe for sort of uh not necessarily for work for getting things done but for media consumption maybe
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that was when you want to be touching the screen if you think about it like just browsing through photos like in the
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photos app. I could see how it would be more intuitive to just flick through things by touching the screen. I mean
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obviously that's possible with the trackpad. It's not that this is something that you can't do today, but I can totally see how it would feel more
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intuitive because this is something that you're kind of sort of touching or you kind of your your your inclination is to
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touch, if you will. And so to just like whiz through it on the display, I could see something like that. And granted, I'm ultimately talking about scrolling
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again. But I can see that being, you know, a reasonable use case. And similarly like editing photos, you know, pinching to zoom and and or pinching to,
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you know, collapse or whatever. You know what I'm saying? Um that again something you can do on a trackpad today. This is
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not reinventing or I guess it is kind of reinventing the wheel but this is this is something that's possible today but
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perhaps could be a lot more intuitive when done via direct touch rather than you know having that one layer of
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interaction. Now granted this is a layer of interaction that old farts like most of us anyway have been used to for 30
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years but you know particularly for those who are start out touch first. I think that this could be actually a
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really good way to make moving to a Mac even more intuitive and even more easy,
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especially because like people just assume every screen is a touch screen now. Like you know kids kids will touch a TV and to myself I'm thinking what do
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you think is going to happen when you touch the TV like but they'll do it anyways. It won't stop them. Uh well um
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Matt Burcher the uh he's a um an iOS um
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developer, right? And he he has a blog and he had a really interesting um blog post recently where he was speculating
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that maybe um that Apple should drop iPad OS on the iPad Pro and instead put
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on Mac OS. And he was saying that that way if you split it up um ordinary people who who have an iPad for just you
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know light reading and and media consumption, they would still have the sort of they'd have they would run iOS
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and it would be touch first whereas if you the pro users who want to use their iPad for something you know for for for
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work purposes uh something like Mac OS would be more suitable and of course like this made total sense to me I
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thought yeah yeah he's you know this is a really interesting idea and maybe you know like this touchscreen Mac OS that
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Apple is making for the MacBooks maybe that would run well on an iPad Pro it probably would I mean you can you can
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virtualize Mac OS on an iPad using you know third like open source apps that you build and run yourself, you know,
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that aren't allowed on the app store. And, you know, it kind of works, but, you know, people keep saying that and Apple keeps not doing it. And so, I
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think the the the record is clear here. Apple doesn't want Apple wants to keep them separate.
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Well, except they're not, though, are they? You see, like this upcoming Mac OS is going to be one of those weird, you
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know, it's going to be a hybrid OS. Yeah. I I don't know. I My bet is that I
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I think in 10 years from now, there will still be Mac OS and there will still be iPad OS. Mac OS will still run on Mac. iPad OS will store on iPads.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll we'll see. We'll see. Anyway, I thought it was really interesting. Very very very very clever. Sounds like a very clever
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solution because we'll see what it looks like in real life. Uh well, a couple more things to talk about these Max. Um
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they will have the dynamic island apparently at the center of the top of the display. And it's supposed to be uh
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work like the dynamic island on the current iPhone lineup offering notifications and other status updates.
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Uh that sounds pretty cool. Like I people love the dynamic island. I mean, this is Apple turning lemon into
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lemonade, isn't it? And and now all the all the Android phones copy it. Even the ones that don't have um you know, Face
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ID sensors, so they have these faux dynamic islands. It's been a huge hit. Oh, very much so. Yeah, absolutely. And
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I think to the point that if they go to like a a whole punch camera, whatever, I
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would expect and hope that they stick with the dynamic island um going forward because I think having kind of like a I
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think what do they call it? tray in Windows kind of like you know the upper right hand corner of the menu bar. What is the menu items on the Mac? Having
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like a little bit of status available to you I think is really really nice and arguably very important. Like being able
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to look up and see that your lift or Uber is 3 minutes away or you know Door Dash is 10 minutes away or whatever the
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case may be or great example your timer has 3 minutes left. What the score is of a sports game that you care about. All
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of these are incredibly useful and I don't think necessarily need much more real estate than a little strip across the top of your screen. And so I I
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really like it and and I I'm less I I'm not overwhelmed by when they appear in
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the Mac menu bar as of I think the most recent version of Mac OS. You know, it'll it'll slurp up say Carrot Weather.
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Um it's raining here today and so Carrot will it'll it'll slurp up the Carrot Weather Live activity and put it in my
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menu bar on my Mac and I like that. I wouldn't say I love it, but I like it. Would you love it more if it was in the
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center instead of aligned to the right with the rest of your menu? Potentially. I mean, I know you're snarking, but yeah, actually kind of
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because at least it's a little more consistent that way. And plus, like the two edges of my screen are spoken for.
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You know, I've got, you know, all my my menu on the upper left and my menu items
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on the upper right. And I try to curate those down as much as I can, which is getting ever harder these days. But, uh,
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I think there is something to be said for putting it in the center. Leaving aside that a lot of the apps I spend
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most of my day in, for example, Xcode has about 80 billion menu ite or you know menus that you can that that it uh
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spews across the top of the screen. So then I'm not sure how that would look. But again, this is this is Apple's job.
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This is what Apple's good at. So I'm sure they'll come up with a reasonable solution. Would you buy it just for a dynamic island for Griffin or Lewis? buy a
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laptop specifically because it has a D. No, I don't think that would be uh the factor that would make me buy it. I
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think the idea of it being touchscreen is kind of cool and and you know, Jobs was talking about it being bad
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ergonomically to have a touchcreen keyboard. I think it's the actual the opposite because it gets your hand off
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of your keyboard and you know, you let go of the death grip on your mouse or trackpad or whatever. You know, you
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don't have to use it for everything. You just use it here and there and you move your arm in a natural way. So, I mean, I
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think that sounds really cool. And dynamic island, that'd be awesome to have, too. I love it on the phone. And,
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you know, like was there a rumor like, oh, they're going to get rid of the dynamic island from the phone? You know, like they're going to upgrade to like
24:10
what that that would be a downgrade. So, yeah. I don't know. these days.
24:15
Yeah. You know, once they no longer have a cutout out there, they could still keep it for, you know, having, you know, still having like status things or
24:21
background tasks up there, even if they don't need to be like, you know, I just think they they won't be PR black anymore. They might like, you know,
24:27
tweak the user interface to make it less of a cutout. It it really is a great feature, though.
24:32
Like, uh, you know, the United Airlines app makes great use of it. You know, it's it's just when somebody really
24:38
takes advantage of that, it's super cool. You look up, you see some piece of information that's relevant. You don't
24:44
have to open an app. It's just there. I love it. There's a new app that came out. It's actually for the notch MacBooks, but
24:49
it's um a teleprompter that appears right below the camera. Very clever.
24:55
Although although the uh the like demo that I saw in, you know, like 3 seconds
25:01
of or whatever on on X, it's like it was such tiny type and it was moving so fast. I'm like, who is this for? You
25:08
know, it's certainly not for me. Blind old bastards like me. Hopefully you can
25:14
slow it down. All right. Well, let's let's talk about the the new BIOS beta. So, is 26.4 beta's out. Um, currently
25:21
we're testing and and like look according to our notes, it looks like most of the changes are for Android
25:26
users. iOS 26.4 beta 1 had uh endto-end encrypted RCS conversations between two
25:33
iPhones, which is I mean, when are two iPhones going to be talking over RCS? Like maybe someone decided
25:39
by accident. Yeah. Doesn't know how to set up iMessage. But uh beta 2 now enables it across platforms. This means RCS
25:45
messages can be sent between iPhone and Android users and be protected with uh endto-end encryption. So now you get
25:51
like a tiny little lock icon at the top of the chat. Seems like a good way to do it. Um for now it only works between iOS
26:00
26.4 beta 2 and the latest version of Google Messages on Android across select carriers. So you know that's Android
26:07
fragmentation at play right there. you know, the you might have a bunch of Android friends, but they might not have Google phones. They might not have the
26:13
latest version of Google Messages, but event, you know, it's on the way. Do any of you have a lot of RCS conversations?
26:20
Yep, they sure do. Uh, so my my in-laws basically they're the entire family is
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on Android phones. Um, my wife and I are the only iPhone people. And I will say I don't disagree with anything you said
26:31
Griffin about you know fragmentation and all that but it was very cool when iOS 26 I think it was came out that suddenly
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these group chats with say my my uh brother-in-law and his wife um they
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would immediately went to RCS and we got some of the affordances that you know we didn't previously have in a just
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standard you know bog standard green bubble chat and I' I've really enjoyed that. I I I still think, you know,
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iMessage is superior for a bunch of different reasons that I'm sure, you know, everyone can think about. We don't necessarily need to enumerate, but
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having at least some modicum of similar ability with my uh Android friends,
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family, uh/eneemies, I don't know. Uh having at least a little bit there is convenient and makes my life a lot
27:14
easier and a lot better. And certainly having encrypted chats is, I think, in everyone's best interest. So, I'm
27:20
looking forward to this for sure. I noticed um I was in a group chat the other day and I actually couldn't tell whether it was uh iMessage or RCS
27:27
because you know all the messages were just sending instantly. We could rename the name of the group. We could you know add a group photo. And then I noticed
27:34
that uh iOS 26.4 will still let you uh set a background image for a group chat
27:39
even though that isn't an RCS feature. And so like my friend set a background image for group chat and it's like oh do
27:45
you see that? No I don't because it isn't actually sharing it with everybody. It's bizarre.
27:51
It feels like a feature flag they accidentally left on. A few liquid glass changes. Uh context
27:57
menus on the home screen are a little more transparent than before. So, hooray. Uh there's a new accessibility
28:03
setting called reduce highlighting effects that reduces the sort of bright shine on buttons and other liquid glass
28:10
elements. Uh but this one is a little concerning to me. Um, the search bar in
28:17
the games app is no longer integrated into the tab bar as is the case with other iOS 26, you know, UI designed
28:24
apps. Uh, there's still like the separate search tab, but then the search bar is uh at the top of the screen where
28:30
it used to be, you know, iOS 18 and before. So, could it be that they're walking back that sort of integrated
28:37
search bar design? I think I also noticed it on another app. Maybe it was the App Store, I think. And 26.4 before has a separate search bar on
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the top now. No longer integrated with the the bottom navigation, which is annoying because, you know, the
28:49
the whole point was, you know, let's move all the search bars to the bottom where your thumb is. Yep. And Right. And I think it works really well.
28:55
That seems to be like an intuitive place for it. Why would they why would they blow it up? Mhm. I mean, you know, I I can understand the argument of, oh, you tap
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on the search tab and then all of the other, you know, tabs for the navigation disappear and you don't know how to get
29:08
back out of the search tab. that I can see that be being a little confusing, but you know, they could have the search
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bar as like a a floating element above the tab bar and still at the and still at the bottom of the screen as the best
29:18
of both worlds, but uh could could be that they're walking that back and I would be sad if that's the case. My money based on no insider information
29:25
whatsoever, my money is this is an oops of some sort that I I I mean I it is certainly possible and by no means are
29:31
you unequivocally incorrect. It is certainly possible you are dead right that they're walking it back, but I don't know. I feel like a lot of what
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they were telling developers about iOS 26 and liquid glass is, you know, we've we've have this new tab affordance. We
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have this new search affordance. As you said, we're moving it down so it's physically easier to get to. I'd be very
29:51
very surprised if they walked it back, especially far enough to get the to bring the search bar back to the top of
29:56
the screen. I could understand if maybe they reintegrate that search like floating action button into the tab bar.
30:01
that wouldn't surprise me so much, but bringing search back to the top of the screen, I would be very very surprised. One more change that um could could be
30:09
disastrous for people who are not fans of iOS 26. If you're enrolled in a developer beta in settings, general
30:15
software update, beta updates, um if if you're on a beta track but don't install
30:20
a beta for 4 months, Apple automatically removes you from the program, putting
30:25
you back on public releases. And uh this might affect people who are switching to
30:31
the iOS 18 developer beta to avoid getting the automatic update to iOS 26.
30:36
It might also be that this change only affects iOS 26.4 onwards. I don't know that for a fact, but I like I don't know
30:43
if this is a change that they can retroactively apply to iOS 18 or not, but that it could be an end to that trick uh for for those of you who want
30:50
to stay on 18. So I guess watch. Do you know anyone except for Charlie Surell who's doing that? Uh, I do it
30:55
myself because I have an old iPhone that I want to keep on iOS 18 for historical reasons to just, you know, have that in
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my repertoire. But, uh, I guess I'll have to I'll I'll check in. I I I will definitely find out the answer to this
31:06
question in a few months, apparently. Okay. Yeah. All right. Well, that's very dedly
31:12
Tim Kirk. So, under um, uh, so Casey, let's talk about Casey's
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call sheet app. So, um, Casey, you going to give us a demo of your app? Sure. Call Sheet.
31:23
I certainly can. And uh yeah, so what is call sheet? So call sheet the kind of
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elevator pitch of call sheet is what if there was the IMDb app but it was written by someone who cared. Um and so
31:35
if I don't know if you I don't know I don't know if you've used the IMDb app recently but like their database is
31:40
incredible. It really is. But uh the app is really rough. Their their autoplay
31:45
videos is asking you to log in every three and a half seconds. It's just frustrating. And so a couple years ago
31:50
now, I thought to myself, you know, I wonder if I could do this and do it better. And so it turns out that there's
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a kind of Wikipedia style um way in which you or a Wikipedia style website
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where you can contribute information about cast and crew for movies and TV shows. It's called the movie database. I
32:08
believe it's the movie db.org and it's pretty darn good. It's not as good as IMDb, but it's pretty darn close. And so
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uh the movie database is the back end for call sheet. call sheet is kind of sort of my cut on you know here's how
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you can figure out who's in something and uh you're looking at some this is my
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you know my phone with which has a bunch of test data on it so this is a very curious list of pinned items but don't hold it against me u but the the kind of
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idea behind it is not only can you just look at you know TV shows and whatnot in
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movies and so on um like this one of my favorite movies of all time is Hunt for October for example but where I think
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Khi kind of shines is when you start drilling into TV shows So, as an example, um when I was writing Call
32:50
Sheet, I was really into the TV show Watchmen and uh this was in this came
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out in late 2019. I didn't get around to watching it until a couple years later, but when I was looking at the credits on
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IMDb, some of these characters have dual roles, right? The the Watchmen is about
33:08
superheroes and you know, obviously some of these people have double roles as both the civilian and the superhero. And
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I'm not going to spoil which one it was, but one of the people you see on the screen here, when I looked at their credits on IMDb, it said, you know, Joe
33:21
Smith/S Superman or whatever. And I got spoiled on the secret identity for one of the characters. And I swore that was
33:27
never going to happen to me again. So, one of the great things about Call Sheet that I really enjoy is that you can
33:32
choose to hide spoilers. And so, I'm going to leave them hidden for right now, although I think that the movie database does not spoil it anyway. But
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for the sake of conversation, you can see here in the preview that Johnny Apples Seed has some sort of uh role in
33:44
this fake madeup show that I invented, but you can't see it. And if I were to turn that off, you can see, oh, he's a botist and so on and so forth.
33:51
Similarly, you know what if what if well it was the best I could do, right? Uh I
33:56
was trying to play into the Apple angle. I was trying to play the Apple angle, so it's made sense because, you know, you used to use Johnny Apple Seed for all
34:02
their stuff. Um but similarly, what if somebody's written off a show? Well, I don't want to know that they're only on two episodes, so maybe I'll hide that
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spoiler as well. And similarly, what if you're very particular about even something as simple as an episode title
34:14
or a thumbnail or the summary of the episode. And so, you can choose to do to hide all of these things and they're per
34:21
show. So, you there is a system level thing where you can default it to always hide, you know, this that or the other,
34:27
but generally speaking, it's per show. So, if I were to go into say 30 rock, if I were to come back here, you'll notice
34:33
that none of these things are hidden because I I didn't choose that as a default. And so, that's that that was
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kind of the the one of my favorite features about call sheet is being able to not spoil yourself on TV shows.
34:45
Another nice thing is you can see here at the time of release, how old was this was this actor? And granted, you know,
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you can argue that this isn't exactly right because sometimes things get released later and so on and so forth, but it's a good thumb in the wind as to
34:58
how old these people are. And I don't know about you guys, but when I'm watching a TV show, I'm frequently, I don't know, asking, well, how old is
35:04
this person anyway? And this is a small computer. I can compute that. And so
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that's what call sheet does. As it shows right there, you know, Liz Lemon or Tina Fay was somewhere between 36 and 42 and
35:17
is she's currently 55. That's an exclusive feature to call sheet because I've never seen that before in anything else.
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Uh, additionally, if somebody passes away, which I don't thankfully don't see an example of here, but if somebody passes away, it'll say that, you know,
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they passed at such and such year, at such and such age. Um, and so, uh, it's stuff like that that I think makes call
35:34
that lets call sheets stand out a bit. And then additionally, if you're like me and you really want to see trivia, um,
35:41
or one of many other different things, not all of this, but a lot of this will link out to actually that specific page
35:46
in IMDb. So, for example, uh the movie database doesn't really do anything about trivia, but IMDb does. So, I can
35:51
tap the trivia button, and you can see an ad at the top of the screen, and you can see, you know, all this trivia, and
35:57
it it's it's functional, but it's not my favorite, but at least it works, and I can see that trivia. And additionally, you know, I can hop right over to
36:03
Wikipedia, and it will go directly to that, you know, page that's appropriate for that for that particular um show.
36:09
And then, if I'm going if I drill into a particular episode and I want to watch a particular episode and I see, oh, it's a
36:14
22-minute runtime. Well, if I start it right now, it'll end at 1:48 p.m., you know, and so these popovers also give
36:20
you little hints as well. Well, when was this released? 13 years ago. And so, I like to think that there's lots of stuff
36:25
that you can explore in here. You can pin items. Obviously, you can have multiple list of pins. Again, this is
36:31
test data, so it's not very exciting at the moment, but you get the idea. Um, you have your watch history here. You
36:36
can configure on this screen, which I call the discover screen, what's here and what isn't. So, if you don't care about new movies or if you don't care
36:42
about new episodes, you can pull that off the discover screen. Um, there's a whole bunch of settings in here that you can deep dive into. I have a whole bunch
36:48
of different uh icons, for example, that you can choose. Um, some of which done by my friend Jelly, some by my friend uh
36:55
Ste. And there's all sorts of stuff you can dive into. I should have actually didn't even occur to me until just now,
37:01
but I should have had something playing on Plex or channels, in which case above pinned items, you'll see like now
37:07
playing, and it'll show what's actively playing on a nearby channels or Plex uh uh app, and that works pretty well. It
37:15
works really well with channels, works okay with Plex. Plex uses some really old tech to do that. Um, but yeah, I mean, that's kind of the nickel tour of
37:21
call sheet. If you have questions, I'm happy to answer them. If if you're set, I'm set. But basically, it's imagine if IMDb was done by someone who loves you
37:27
instead of someone who hates you. And that's that's what call sheet. Wellb started out, didn't it, as a as a a communitydriven database and then it
37:34
got bored and ruined. Yep. Exactly right. Exactly right. Uh yeah. So call sheet it is 20 searches
37:40
for free. Um I didn't really demonstrate searching but uh Oh no, I did do Watchmen earlier. Uh you can do 20
37:46
searches for free and then after that um it's I believe my pricing is a dollar a month or $10 a year. You can optionally
37:53
uh kind of tithe me more than that if you so if you so desire. get no perks for giving me more money, but if you
37:58
choose to, you can. Um, it's kind of like a tip jar sort of situation, but basically it's 10 bucks a year, and I like to think of that as really darn
38:04
affordable given that I'm now paying $3 for a Diet Coke at uh at at a fast feed
38:09
at a fast food spot. So, uh, that's call sheet. Uh, I I obviously am extraordinarily biased, but I really
38:15
like it and I think it's pretty good and, uh, I'd love it if, you know, your your listeners and viewers checked it out. I saw that in one of the the menus where
38:22
to where to watch. That looks really useful. Oh, yes. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. that's powered by uh just watch. Um so this will
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basically go to go to just watch and ask you know hey where can you watch this either via subscription or if you buy it
38:34
if there were free options available for this particular title it would show you free options as well. It's all based
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obviously on that particular title. Um I don't know if Hunt for October given that it's a little bit older if it would have more interesting options. Um oh
38:46
yeah so there's buy rent you know subscription and so on. you can choose which country, you know, I don't know if
38:52
maybe you had an affiliation or an affinity for a different country, but then perhaps you could see, you know, there's different options there. Um,
38:59
additionally, if you're a letter boxed person, whoops, I'm sorry. If you're a letter boxed person, you know, it'll link over to letter boxed. Um, if that's
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your sort of thing. I'm not personally uh on letter box, but you get the idea. And you can also configure instead of
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trivia to the left of the more button, you can configure uh a different one of these options. If you're say really into
39:17
the technical details because you're a photographer or something like that, you can choose your quick action button is what I call it. Um it's available on
39:24
iOS, on iPad OS, on the Mac as an iPad app. It's also on Vision Pro on one of the three Vision Pro apps that are
39:30
native on the platform. So, uh you can check it out there as well if you're interested. But, uh like I said, I I
39:35
think it's pretty decent and uh I'd love it if your your listeners, viewers, readers, etc. checked it out. The where to watch button is excellent.
39:41
That's what I use all the time because I can never remember the name of the service. Just watch cuz it's like vague
39:46
enough that I I can't remember what it's called. Like I know there's a website, but I can also just type it into call sheet. The app is super fast, especially
39:53
the search thing. You just type it in and you get live results as you're typing them in letter by letter. You can often it's only like a few letters and I
39:59
can find the thing immediately just and then just see where to watch immediately. You know, it it's super fast. Yep. Uh we were just watching Scrubs
40:05
before we recorded because that came back and that was a personal favorite uh show of Aaron and mine, my wife and I. Uh so yeah, I I I I really think it's
40:12
really fast. It's it's done with care. It's not perfect, of course, but it's done with care. And certainly if you
40:17
know, if you're listening to this and you have a suggestion, there's a mechanism within settings where you can give me feedback. Um and I read all of
40:25
those emails. It's just me around here, so I read them all. Um, and I take it into consideration and I love to, you
40:30
know, do what I can to help my users have the best experience that they possibly can. Yeah. Wow. It's a a super nice appase.
40:36
It look very very deep as well. Like tons and tons of functionality. Yeah. Thank you. It's been a couple years now that I've been working on it
40:42
and so um there's a lot there. There's I have plans for so much more. Um I'm not going to start into the AI conversation
40:49
right now, but uh I've been dabbling with you know cloud code and trying to figure out where can where is that appropriate for me to use that in the
40:56
app. And so far, I haven't used it very much, but I'm starting to get my my hands around, you know, where where does it make sense and where does it not? And
41:02
I have I have a lot of stuff on the to-do list and not enough time to do it, unfortunately. One of the things I love to do after I
41:08
read something is uh sorry, watch something is to read the reviews or read, you know, people's takes and stuff like that. Do you have anything like
41:14
that for them that uh not directly uh one of the things on the to-do list is to integrate with
41:19
letter box more more thoroughly. you know, right now I'm linking out to it where you can see reviews, but um but
41:25
no, I'd like to in the future inter interact with the letter boxed API and and also potentially let you if you're a
41:31
letter boxed user rate, you know, in include your particular rating for that particular title. Um definitely on the
41:37
to-do list. The the the good and the bad thing about being a single person company is that the things that I'm
41:43
super interested in happen really fast and the things that I'm less interested in happen but just not with the same speed. And uh for me, like I I it's it's
41:51
actually very funny that I had a very wide beta test a couple years ago. And I
41:56
personally don't care for numerical ratings. I feel like that's very very frequently it doesn't match my personal
42:02
opinion of a of a movie or TV show. And I got so many people so many beta
42:08
testers fussing at me because I didn't include ratings in the app. And you know, I've stopped sharing my screen, but suffice to say that ratings are
42:14
there now because so many people were like, "What are you doing? Where is the rating?" Uh, and so, you know, stuff
42:20
like that. You know, I I really try to make sure I'm listening to the to the the the feedback from my my users. And
42:27
if there's something that's popular, then clearly I need to make a change. And I can't think of another example off the top of my head where that's happened, but it's happened many times
42:33
where it's something that maybe left to my own devices, I wouldn't bother with, but enough people have said, "No, no, no, no, no. Let's fix this." Um, that
42:40
I've that I've gone and and made it happen. Yeah, it sounds like an awesome way to be, you know, to to be working on something, you know, getting that that
42:45
that feedback from your user base and and responding to it and uh building things for them like Yeah. No, I've I've been very lucky.
42:52
It's been very fun and, you know, I'm glad, you know, I've had a few other apps in the app store that are mostly unremarkable and I'm glad to have one
42:58
that I think has some legs on it and that I can that I can play with for a long time. You know, that there's there's a lot more to do. I think it's
43:04
fullfeatured right now for sure, but there's so many more things that I can come up with, so many more things. I mean, on my I track what my to-do list
43:11
in GitHub, and I have some I don't even have I have like 50 or 70 or 80 GitHub tickets open of things that I want to
43:17
do. Some of those are bugs to be fair, but a lot of them, most of them are things I want to do and and things that
43:22
I'd like to add to the app over time. So, I got a very exciting 2026 ahead of me. It's just a matter of just bearing
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down and getting it done. Yeah. Yeah. Very cool. Very cool. All right. Well, thanks very much for that, Casey. That was excellent.
43:35
Yeah, I enjoyed that. I'm definitely going to download that. But I'm a I'm a movie nut. In fact, I just bought a a projector um
43:42
on Amazon and I'm really excited to set up. There's un unfortunately not one single place in my house where I can
43:48
project. So So if if you'll permit me a very brief
43:53
story that you might appreciate more than most. Um when Top Gear was airing, like you know when it was still in in
43:59
season if you will, this was in the late as I guess I was obsessed with it. And I know that the particularly Jeremy
44:05
Clarkson is very divisive, but I always enjoyed the three hosts. And um and so what we would do is in the summertime
44:11
when when a new se series would start, a new season would start, we have a very very crummy projector, but what we would
44:18
do is we would go to the back of the house and drape a king-size sheet off the back of the house and have a bunch of our friends over, have some drinks,
44:24
and I would project the the debut of the new episode of Top Gear for that series. And we haven't done that obviously in
44:30
like 15 years, but it was a very very fun and like seinal part of the summer for me. Uh being able to do that every
44:36
year. And so having a projector handy, you you'd be surprised. Even if you can't really use it in the house there, you will find times that you can use it.
44:42
And you can even get one of those inflatable um screens, you know? You know what I'm saying? Where they like blow up if you have some some green to
44:49
go to a park or something. I I haven't used one of them, but um I'm sure they're not bad. And you can get like um
44:55
we we go to American football games, uh college football games, and we have a very intense tailgate. And just recently
45:02
um I got a one of those like portable power station things, you know, one of the ones that's like 15 20 lbs. And so
45:09
you could take that with your projector and granted it's a little heavy, but you could set all this up in a park somewhere if you wanted to and just have
45:15
your own little movie night in the park because why not? Because I can.
45:20
All right. Well, I'm definitely excited about it. Love the movies. love going to the, you know, but don't go as much as I used to. I used to go to like the movies
45:25
three three times a week, something like that. But, uh, uh, yeah. Yeah. So, you and of course it makes a huge
45:31
difference. I saw Bladeunner actually that, you know, the the the the 80s version um, for the first time since the 80s and
45:38
I I know that film backwards um because it's one of my favorites and I was the
45:44
tears were streaming down my face. Yeah. um from the scene where uh she plays the
45:49
piano, the android, and it's it's so much different on a big screen. The
45:54
impact like just seeing such a beautiful woman and the music, it it it it really
46:00
hit different like I haven't been I I was so much more moved by that when I saw it on a big screen. So, this is why
46:06
I wanted to get into it. uh it uh and Kubri as well like 2001. I used to think that was so boring
46:13
and then I went to see it at the cinema and I was absolutely riveted for the entire take and had never seen
46:20
and and it was completely different experience like a wonderful movie. Not boring at all, not slow. Completely
46:27
different when you sit on a big screen. Yep. Yep. Yep. And when you're not staring at your phone, right?
46:32
Taking a break every four minutes. Right. True enough. Yeah. Exactly. Very very true. Let's talk about this um
46:39
setup. So this is this is weirder and weirder as you get as you look at it more and more. Um
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and uh this one's really wacky. So an important note here is that podcast listeners um if you're listening, you
46:53
can check the chapter artwork to see the picture, the photo that we're going to be talking about. So um please check
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that out. It uh What did you think of this, Lewis, when you saw it? It took me
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a little bit of time to figure out what was going on. Right. Me, too. Uh
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uh this is part of our uh I think the headline should be 16 coolest and
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weirdest keyboards in Mac setups because we added an extra one. I you know the story behind that is that
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we we published this article and then uh I was I was browsing through it to add it to the show notes to figure out the
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most weird one and then I realized, oh, I have a weird and unusual keyboard. I should, you know, message Dave and like
47:32
get mine added. So, uh, it the 15 is now 16. You can scroll through the the whole list to see my keyboard somewhere on
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there, but the one we're looking at today, uh, is unusual to say the least. Not just because
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it's one better. That's great. Uh, yeah. So, this thing has got a uh 16-in MacBook Pro on a stand kind of
47:52
sitting open and up and a 14-in Lenovo Think Vision portable monitor on top of
47:57
the keyboard and trackpad. So, you've got these two stacked monitors uh with a a quote thin piece of
48:05
foam to keep the monitor from pressing the MacBook Pro space bar. Uh, and then the thing that uh got it in
48:14
this roundup is this crazy keyboard, 15x5 straight grid of keys, ortholinear
48:20
keyboard. This is the second one of these in two weeks now. I I I don't think I had ever even heard of an ortholinear keyboard. Now, now the place
48:27
is lousy with them. Uh, I don't I still don't understand exactly what
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they're for uh or how they're in any way better than the keyboard that
48:38
everybody's been using forever. I mean, there's always been strange Is it anything more than aesthetics? I
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assumed I I agree with you that I have no idea what the purpose is here, but I assumed it was just having like perfectly rectangular aesthetics. Is Is
48:50
it more than that? The one we the one we covered last week had like two halves. So, you know, you can see, oh, it's ergonomic because you
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can position each half of the keyboard anywhere, anywhere you want. But, uh, this is just like, you know, to be clear,
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one continuous keyboard. It's only one piece. Uh, except the letters are in straight lines. And also, uh, between
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the letters, there's like a group of like punctuation keys and the arrow keys. And the space bar is also really tiny and off to the right. Uh, it it
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but also separated. Yeah. Easy to hit with your thumb. Mhm. But only your right thumb.
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The whole thing is You're right them. Yeah, right. Maybe this is for people who are just using uh dictation only. Um or they're
49:30
not touch typists in the first place, so they, you know, hunting and pecking. Maybe it's easier. I don't know. I read something that said like, "Oh, it's just
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straighters, so it's less travel." Like, what? Really? Okay. Uh to me, it looks like an ergonomic nightmare. I would
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never uh even try a keyboard like this. Terrified of it. Uh let's see what else
49:48
we got here. We got some kind of crazy mouse. I don't even know what kind of mouse that is. Gez, I can't can't see
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nothing. Can't see nothing. Uh, just a Logitech than usual. And is that a Logitech?
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Yeah, it says Logitech on it. Well, it's so small on my screen. I can't see it.
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And people in the podcast can't see it either because it's audio. And uh let's see. We've got a a phone sitting
50:12
floating in the air somehow. Don't know how. Uh what what what struck me is that there's a uh there's a overall it's a
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pretty bright white clean room. You know, there's nice like a cork pads under the keyboard and mouse. Uh the one
50:25
thing that's unusual though is that the the cable that's plugging in the iPhone. I think it's supposed to be white, but
50:32
it's so dirty that it's a darker brown than the corkboard it's on. So, do you think it's dirty or is it maybe
50:37
just a Why would you have Why would you have just a brown cable, though? I don't know. It could happen.
50:43
Well, you can see as it snakes around the back of the machine, it does turn into a different color. It looks white. It just might be the lighting,
50:49
maybe. Well, the stack monitors, I think that's a really good idea. to stacking them up vertically like that
50:54
um rather than having them side by side uh it it's uh much much more and you're
51:00
right in front of you. You know, you don't have to move your head anywhere to check it out. And you don't see that too often, do you? It seems like the kind of
51:07
thing Wall Street traders do. Well, you know, the MacBook is elevated because it's on a stand, but then you you have to look like low to look at the
51:14
other screen because it's, you know, the the stand doesn't elevate the MacBook that high. It's not like a full desktop,
51:19
you know, setup where, you know, you're, as they say ergonomically, like your eye is level with the top of the monitor in front of you. It's level with one of the
51:25
monitors, but then the other one is like sort of back down below around the keyboard. Maybe maybe it's cuz it's, you know,
51:31
he's got to come up with some kind of stand or they've got to come up with kind of stand to put the uh this portable monitor on. But Ed Ed has been
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um Ed one of our writers, Ed Hardy, he's been extolling the virtues of portable
51:43
monitors and says they're absolutely game changers if you have a Oh, there you go. You got one. So, so I'm now holding up my portable monitor, which is
51:49
unfortunately not being made anymore. This is an Azropa, I believe. A rzopa, I'm sorry. A RZ OPA. It's a like 13in or
51:57
thereabouts portable monitor. It's USBC powered. It has the flimsiest case in the world on it. Uh, for those who are
52:03
not viewing, it is like paper thin, but it serves as like a makeshift stand. This is uh I think 2K and 13 in, but
52:12
it's enough that it passes muster as retinaish. Like I don't think strictly
52:18
speaking it has quite the PPI that retina would demand, but it's a lot better than your average monitor. I love
52:24
this thing. If I'm not going to be one of those dorks that straps the Vision Pro to his face to, you know, get Mac
52:30
virtual display, then this is the next best thing. And I occasionally will go to like a a cafe or or you know a coffee
52:38
shop whatever to do some work just to get a change of scenery. And having a second screen is truly a gamecher and
52:44
this when it was new again I I don't believe it's available anymore. This was like 150 bucks which is not a small
52:50
amount of money but given that it's an entire monitor it's really not bad. And so I I hard agree on this.
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60 bucks now I think you know for the cheapest ones and they're I think they're perfectly decent. Um,
53:02
Espresso does some really nice ones. A company out of Australia. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, so do you plug it into your MacBook?
53:08
Yeah, that's right. I have a 13-inch MacBook Pro, single cable that carries both power and data. And uh, it works
53:14
incredibly well. I mean, it's not as bright. It's not as much real estate. And because I run it in retina, you know, everything is physically kind of
53:21
large. You know, I could, if I had better eyes, then I could run it in its native resolution and everything would be microscopic, but at least I would
53:27
see, you know, I would have more stuff on screen. But honestly, as an accessory monitor while I'm traveling, it's it's
53:34
perfect. It it's I would love something bigger, but then it would be much heavier, you know, and there's all those trade-offs and so on and so forth. It
53:39
would use more power. Um, but no, this this particular one and or ZOPA makes a bunch of them. Um, what did you say a
53:46
second ago, Lander? What was the name of the Espressive? Espresso, something like that. Espresso, I think. Yeah.
53:51
Okay, there you go. Those I've heard are very good. Uh I pegged this as a thinkpad associated thing because I grew
53:58
up on ThinkPads my dad worked for IBM and so it's even in even in microscopic the version microscopic version of the
54:04
image. I was like oh that's got to be an IB. Well I guess not IBM anymore but you know what I mean. Um so I'm sure the Lenovo screens are also good. I'm not
54:11
trying to say that that our ZOPA, as weird as that is, is the beall end all, but I really do think that if you go
54:17
somewhere that you have the physical space to set a monitor next to your your your MacBook Pro, I I can't recommend it
54:23
enough. It's really Have you plugged your iPhone or your iPad into it, too? I did plug my iPhone in once just to see
54:29
that it would work and it was basically useless other than mirroring, but it was cool that it did. So, that that I had
54:35
that going for me. Uh, occasionally I've plugged in like uh the Nintendo Switch like if my kids are if we're traveling
54:42
and for what I don't I've only done it once or twice or and or if we're like at a friend's house and they're trying to like play Mario Kart against the friend
54:48
but via the network rather than all being on the same screen. You know, we've done that a couple times. Uh the speaker there is a speaker on this thing
54:55
and it is just as awful as you would expect it to be. But um but I mean again in a pinch it it serves its purpose and
55:02
I given that it's not extremely expensive. If if you're a mobile worker I I can't recommend it enough.
55:09
Okay Griffin we have a super fun game coming up now because it's going to be a big week next week. Even Tim Cook this
55:14
morning um teased next week's announcement, didn't he? Did you guys see that? He put out a tweet saying that
55:20
um what did it say anyway? Something about big week. Yeah.
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So, he's uh yeah, everyone's So, we're going to we're going to do some predictions about what we think is going
55:33
to be shown next week. It's still it's still a mystery, but there are some clues. Um Griffin, how So, what are we
55:40
going to do? We got to open up uh and there are still some unknowns. So, for the first time in 2026 and for the first
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time on our new podcast, we're going to lay down our predictions for Apple's not an event event. Uh Leander wants to try
55:53
a format with only 10 questions instead of 20. So to make up for it, I've made them all that just just a little bit
55:59
more devilish. Uh great. So we've agreed on a list of predictions for the event presum I mean my my
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co-hosts have had the opportunity to look at the list. I'm not sure how familiar they are, but
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uh for agreed I think is a bit of a stretch. Yeah. Right. Right. For each prediction, we will vote yes or
56:17
no whether we think it will happen. Votes will be placed in order of who won the previous game. So, I will go first,
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Leander second, Lewis third, and Casey as our guest will go last. And he has the privilege of seeing how the rest of
56:29
us vote before he places his vote. So, that's interesting. Um, uh, one point will be awarded for each correct guess.
56:35
Any disputes in judgment must be rolled on by Ed Hardy. A responsibility he has not been informed of, um, much less
56:42
agreed to. Listeners can submit their own votes using a Google form that's in the show notes or you can also type in
56:49
dgriffinjones.com/servey and that'll take you right to it. But, you know, also just tap the link in the
56:55
show notes if you don't want to type that in or you don't know how to spell my name. Uh, the highest score submitted before the first announcement will be
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honored in the next episode. You have the opportunity to plug something in case you win. Uh, so that's always fun.
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So, without further ado, we're going to jump into the iPhone and iPad section.
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Uh, again, I'll be going first, Leander second, then Lewis, then Casey. iPhone 17e with MagSafe, dynamic island, and
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the same two colors. I am going to say, uh, yeah, that sounds
57:29
about right. How about everybody else? I'm going to go out on a limb here and
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say, yeah, that sounds about right, too. Okay. Bold, bold choice, Lewis.
57:40
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it sound lines up with everything we've heard. I just thought it was going to be here
57:46
already. And Casey. Yeah. I I think as the foil of the
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episode, I am somewhat contractually obligated to be contrarian. Um I think I'm going to say no. And the reason I'm
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going to say no, even though the smart money says yes, I'm going to say no on account of I wonder if the colors might
58:05
be different. And yes, I I am aware that, you know, the rumors are the rumors, but I I'm I'm really hanging my
58:11
hat on maybe the colors being a little different. And if it doesn't end up happening at all, I'm going to retroactively claim that I knew it was
58:17
never going to happen and it had nothing to do with the colors. But sitting here today, I'm going to say the colors are giving me pause. And plus, it's fun to
58:24
be contrarian, so I'm going to say no on this one. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Um, entrylevel iPad with A18 and Apple
58:32
intelligence support. So, we know that, you know, there are iPads coming. We don't know exactly which ones. Uh, is it
58:38
going to be the entry level iPad? I'm actually going to say no on this one. I think I was uh waffling on this to
58:45
myself earlier between yes or no, but I'm going to go no for arbitrary reasons, Leander.
58:51
Yeah, I'm wondering the same thing if I uh I'm going to say yes just because you
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said no. That's probably the smarter choice. Lewis, can I say maybe since you said yes and
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you said no? No. Uh geez, I don't know. It's gonna It
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seems like an awful lot of stuff coming out. Uh if this all comes out next week. Um
59:17
well, the the rumors were it was going to be like, you know, iPads, so not necessarily just one iPad, but but
59:23
several iPad models. Yeah. Um I'm going to say no. It's not
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coming next week. bold. All right. So, I am really bad at
59:36
predicting anything Apple does despite it arguably uh nominally being my actual job. But, um I'm going to say yes for
59:43
this. And the reason is is because I can see them painting the story of look at how we're taking care of the every
59:49
person and there's all these more affordable options because everyone's pretty much committed to there being
59:54
the, you know, affordable A18 powered MacBook. um and which we'll get to presume in a second. I don't have the
1:00:00
rest of the list in front of me, but uh I think that paints a really nice story of look at all the entry-level stuff that we're bringing to the table,
1:00:07
especially as everything in life is getting so much more expensive. So, I'm going to go with Yes. Good point. Yeah, good point.
1:00:12
Yeah. Yeah. Could be in matching colors with the MacBooks. H Oh, yeah. That's an interesting point,
1:00:18
too. Now, can I change my guess? iPad Air with M4 and virtually no other
1:00:25
changes. Um, I'm actually going to put myself down as a no for this one as well
1:00:31
because I think there will be one other change and that it might have the uh N1 Wi-Fi and cellular chip. That's just a
1:00:38
guess that that hasn't been rumored. Uh, but that that does add, you know, maybe maybe it will. So,
1:00:43
I'm going to say yes. Again, probably the smarter decision.
1:00:50
Uh, yeah, I say yes, too. I'm also going to say yes. And and I'm going to state for the record that if I
1:00:56
am wrong, I'm going to lean so hard on the ver word virtually and I'm going to convince you that virtually has done
1:01:03
enough work to make me correct. So, I'm just predicting it now.
1:01:09
Well, uh you know, if if it does have the uh the N1 wireless chip in it, then I I think that does count as like
1:01:15
another change. But no, no, no. That's that's virtually the same thing. Come on. It's it's the same thing. You can't even tell. You can't
1:01:20
even tell. See, we're we're doing it right now. We're already preparing. Well, I guess that'll be up to Ed to judge then. Okay, fair enough.
1:01:27
Or or more likely, I'll just be completely wrong. Mac and other products. MacBook comes in a comes with
1:01:34
A18 chip and at least three undeniably bright, vibrant colors.
1:01:40
Why? Why, Griffin? Why? Oh gosh. I'm gonna put myself down for yes.
1:01:45
I I think they're going to do it this time. The only quibble I have there is that the undeniably bright, vibrant colors.
1:01:51
Yep. Mhm. Cuz I think they it was supposed to be light yellow and light green, which kind of I don't know, you know, is that
1:01:57
vibrant, undeniably vibrant. I'm going to say if it's if it's like, you know, light colors in the way that
1:02:03
the current iPad Air is like so pastel you almost can't even tell that it isn't
1:02:08
silver, you know, that wouldn't count. But if it's like, you know, cosmic orange level colors or entry-le iPad
1:02:15
colors, like the current entrylevel iPad, you know, you would say those are undeniably bright and vibrant. Yeah,
1:02:21
true. And like the old iBooks, which I think was the last time they did was that the last time they did really
1:02:26
bright, vibrant laptops. Yes. I mean, rose gold, I'm not trying to
1:02:32
snark. Rose gold in certain flavors, I think, was at least approaching bright. I don't know if I'd necessarily go so
1:02:37
far as to call it bright, but it was in the ballpark at least. Uh, but certainly nothing like, you know, green or or, you
1:02:43
know, super duper blue or anything like that. Yeah, I don't think they're going to be bright. I think they're going to be, you know, like like you say, Casey, that
1:02:49
that you know, sort of approaching bright. So, I'm going to say no. Okay.
1:02:55
Oh my god, Louis, I've forgotten what we're talking about. Uh the MacBook. So, listen,
1:03:02
I It's funny. I was just looking at the iPad Air colors and those are definitely not undeniably bright.
1:03:08
Yeah. But then the regular iPad is. So, you know, that's it's like well, they've been making the
1:03:14
regular iPad out of aluminum for years. So, clearly they know how to color aluminum, but they just choose not to. And apparently, they had to invent a new
1:03:20
process just to do it on a MacBook. But like, they've been doing it on the iPad for it's perplexing to me.
1:03:27
So, are if we were to call if we were to talk about the colors of the current
1:03:32
iPad, would we call those undeniably bright? I don't see why not. All right, then. It's a yes.
1:03:38
Okay. One one thing which is just an interesting aside which um uh is maybe
1:03:44
Germaine here. Um we I talked to years ago an Apple engineer um in uh who said
1:03:50
that the anodizing process it was super hard to get the the lid and the keyboard
1:03:56
to match. Um and there would be tiny differences between you know the silver the
1:04:03
anodizing on the keyboard and the lid. and they had a huge that was a huge huge problem getting it to be consistent. So
1:04:10
maybe that makes it a little harder, you know, like I don't know if brighter colors are more difficult to match.
1:04:17
Maybe that's why, you know, like with with the laptops where the two halves have to match. You you don't have this problem with an iPad, of course, right?
1:04:23
Because it's all one piece and it doesn't have a keyboard. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. That's just an you know, Apparently they did perfect it
1:04:30
and they patented the heck out of it, too. Um, and it's a surprisingly complex
1:04:36
process as well, I think. All kinds of blasting with beads and all sorts of stuff. But,
1:04:41
uh, yeah, you know what's going to happen is it will come in three undeniably bright,
1:04:46
vibrant colors, but it'll have an A19 and so we'll all get it wrong, right?
1:04:52
And actually, to that end, I think I'm going to say no to this. And I think it
1:04:58
is very clear we are getting some sort of uh lowcost to the degree that Apple believes in lowcost MacBook. And but I
1:05:06
think that this is too specific a question between the undeniably bright
1:05:11
and to your point the A18. I think I think it would become an argument to to
1:05:18
figure to to claim that a yes answer was correct when we see these muted colors or maybe not undeniably bright colors or
1:05:26
perhaps it's an A19 or something like that. I I think the spirit of this question is correct that yes, this
1:05:31
spiritually will happen, but literally I I have to say no. Oh, wait. Maybe I should change it to A19 Pro H because it might have the N19
1:05:39
Pro chip, but I don't know. I I'll just say right now if it if it's if it has an A18 Pro instead of an A18, I'll still
1:05:45
count it as correct. An A18 generation chip. Uh okay, next. MacBook Air and
1:05:51
high-end MacBook Pros with M5 chips and virtually no other changes. I'm going to
1:05:57
once again go all in. I know. Maybe I'll hedge my bets. Uh because, you know, these might come with the N1 Wi-Fi and
1:06:04
Bluetooth chip as well. I You can't even see it, Griffin. How can you say that's that's a reasonable change? I mean, come on. Okay, I'll I'll
1:06:10
put myself down as yes. Virtually no other changes. M5 generation chips. That's it. Leander.
1:06:16
Well, that's a good point about those networking chips. Oh, don't don't don't bow to him on this
1:06:21
one. Come on. Stay strong with me. That doesn't count. It uh
1:06:27
I don't know. You know that I think there's a lot of I think there's a little bit of gray area there, Casey. I think that we could argue that.
1:06:32
Yes, there is. Yeah. So, I'm going to say Yeah. No. Sorry. No. No.
1:06:37
Okay. You're going to say, "Yeah, no." Yeah. Know, you know, it is also, you know, we've
1:06:44
seen reports that like the high-end MacBook Pros are going out of stock in inventory in stores, but I don't think we've seen the same thing about the MacBook Air.
1:06:50
So, it could be that there's a new MacBook Pro, but not a new MacBook Air, and it's just, you know, not out yet.
1:06:58
This whole thing is so weird. It's not even an actual event, so who knows? Uh, I I think that uh I think that this is a
1:07:06
yes. And I don't think that it's going to have a modem because I think that would be way too big of a deal. The
1:07:11
first Mac. Oh, I'm not saying with a with a cellular modem. I'm saying the N1 Wi-Fi chip.
1:07:16
Oh, the Wi-Fi chip, right? Yeah. Virtually no other changes. Virtually.
1:07:21
Mhm. Yeah. I think this is a Yes. I think this is very much an Apple style to just
1:07:27
rev it, which that's not a complaint for the record. I mean, I remember during the dark days of the MacBook, you know,
1:07:33
we would kill for a a speed bump and little else. And so, uh, I'm not
1:07:39
complaining about the fact that it would just be, you know, a spec bump and little else. But I think that's going to happen. And it it will also be classic
1:07:44
Apple to give us a new MacBook Pro in March and then 6 months later, whatever, give us the actually properly new
1:07:52
MacBook Pro with a touchcreen and so on and so forth. So, yeah, I think I think yes. Next up, Studio Display 2 with
1:07:58
Thunderbolt 5 and 90 Hz refresh rate. I'm gonna
1:08:04
This is another awful specific one, but I'm going to say no because I don't think the Studio Display 2 is coming out yet.
1:08:09
I thought the the the um refresh rate was supposed to be higher than that. Uh well, a a rumor written into the upgrade
1:08:16
podcast said that uh from an anonymous source uh said that oh it'll only be 90
1:08:23
and not 120 for well I thought that that somebody had discovered some hints in code that that
1:08:28
was the case as well. It was both of those things if I remember right possibly. Yeah. But what are the other aren't there some
1:08:34
other panels out now already that that uh that are similar to this and they're at 120? I think that the the the the
1:08:40
assumption, which again that that's the important word here, the assumption was that even though you can get 120 Hz over
1:08:48
a Thunderbolt 5 cable, because there's all the other connectivity on the back of a studio display, it would and that
1:08:55
connectivity could also require a whole bunch of bandwidth. The assumption was that Apple would bring down from 120 to
1:09:02
90 in order to leave that headroom for say having like an external drive hanging off the back of the studio
1:09:07
display for example. Okay. Well, um because this is a game
1:09:12
I'm going to say okay I'm gonna say no too because of that. Yep. Uh
1:09:19
yeah, sure. Why not? Okay. I don't refresh rate means so little to
1:09:24
me. I don't uh are you one of the people who's like refresh rate blind and you can't tell when it's promotion or not?
1:09:30
Yeah, I mean I don't know. Uh I all I've ever had is a promotion phone. So I mean
1:09:36
did I don't know why they would need a prootion screen on a on a you know a
1:09:41
desktop monitor though. Really? It it makes scrolling buttery smooth but I mean other than that I don't disagree
1:09:47
with you. Uh for me I think this will happen. I think we are all desperate for a new Apple Apple Apple monitor. I'll
1:09:54
leave aside the Proisplay XDR in that lunacy, but um but we're desperate for a new like real Apple monitor and Apple is
1:10:02
100% silly enough to just randomly decide to do instead of 60 instead of 100 and 20. No, we're going to do 90
1:10:10
because we're Apple and we can 100%. I think this will happen. I'm going to say no, though, because I don't think it's
1:10:16
going to happen next week. I think it'll happen maybe in June or maybe even at the end of the year. I think it'll, you know, it it's a good
1:10:23
thing to to roll out simultaneous with the with the Mac Studio and that's not rumored at this event. Uh but I mean it still could come. Uh
1:10:31
the next pick any other products announced. This includes, you know, Mac Studio, uh HomePod Mini 2, which some
1:10:38
people think is going to happen, the new Apple TV, which is, uh, you know, pops up every once in a while. So, I'm going
1:10:45
to uh put down myself as yes because I'm hoping the new Apple TV comes out and I just want to will it into exist.
1:10:50
Amen to that, brother. I was gonna say the same thing. Apple TV, I think that probably is going to be
1:10:57
revealed. So, I'll say yes to Lewis. Uh, no. And I just wonder if even all
1:11:04
these talking about it. I mean, are they really going to release this many products in one week without an event? I
1:11:09
mean, I realize they're kind of I mean, it's it's the Apple TV. Not really event worthy.
1:11:16
Yeah. But I mean I mean part of what they want to do is is get a bunch of attention for a bunch
1:11:23
of products, right? They don't want to, you know, here's everything but the kitchen sink. I mean, oh, there's also a
1:11:29
HomePod. Oh, there's also, you know, I don't think so. Good point, Lewis. I I think Lewis is probably the most
1:11:36
correct of all of us about this. That being said, I'm going to say yes, purely from a wish casting point of view because I desperately want an Apple TV.
1:11:43
Uh, we, as I mentioned earlier, we go to tailgates. We use actually a three generation old Apple TV to drive the the
1:11:49
video at the tailgate. And that thing is getting very long in the tooth and I really want to get a new one and then trickle down, you know, from the living
1:11:55
room to the bedroom to the tailgate and so on and so forth. So, um, and so I desperately would love a new Apple TV.
1:12:01
I'm telling I'm putting on the record that I'm probably wrong in saying yes, but I'm wish casting. I desperately want
1:12:06
it. If you get a if you get a new one, then you can uh have karaoke at your tailgate parties.
1:12:13
that. Yes, because that's what you want to see is us, especially after a little tailgating uh singing songs.
1:12:20
In the miscellaneous section, all new products available starting Friday,
1:12:26
March 6. So sometimes when they have these like little not quite events,
1:12:31
yeah, I mean the the typical thing for the iPhone is that, you know, you know, the event is on Monday or Tuesday and then it's like the next week and a half
1:12:37
it releases that following Friday. But sometimes for the lesser products, they're available the same day. Uh, as I
1:12:45
think was the case with the the M5 Vision Pro. It was like available starting the same day and I didn't even
1:12:50
realize that until like a few days later. Uh, sometimes it's available like later that week. Um, I really don't want
1:12:56
it to be Friday, March 6th, because I have plans that weekend and I don't want to like blow them all off to write like
1:13:02
five different reviews. But, uh, so I'm going to say no just because again, wish casting it might be the following
1:13:07
Friday. you know, the the new MacBook, maybe that'll have, you know, they'll want more time for reviewers to have
1:13:13
like reviews under embargo, but uh I don't know. I'm going to say no, too. I don't think
1:13:18
they're going to I think something's going to be delayed, you know, like a week or two. Mhm. If if there's going to be all the raft
1:13:24
of products, I don't think they're going to have everything available on Keep in mind it says all new products
1:13:29
available starting Friday, March 6, right? Yeah, Lewis. Yeah, I would go no just
1:13:36
because there's chance that something's available that day. I just there's so many if they have this many products. I
1:13:41
doubt they're all just going to dump on one day. I guess I should also say uh from a grading perspective, I think they're
1:13:46
rumored to come out with like the new watch band colors. I don't consider those a product. Uh you know, watch
1:13:51
watch bands, accessory, things like that. Literally a new product. One of the main ones.
1:13:57
Yeah. Yeah. Ma main products. Unambiguously new. Yeah.
1:14:03
All right. I'm going to say yes to this for a couple of reasons. One, contrarian. Two, uh I do think it makes
1:14:08
for a good story. Like I was saying earlier, you know, here's all these new products and whatever it is you want, you can buy it on Friday, March 6th. And
1:14:16
third of all, I would say that by the way this is written right now, I would
1:14:23
say that if the products are available on the fourth and the fifth and the sixth, I win because they are all
1:14:30
available. Oh, no, you said starting. Never mind. started. I take it all back. I take it all back. All right. Well, I'm still going with yes. I'm still going
1:14:36
with yes for the first two reasons, but I thought I found a loophole. I should have read a little more closely. All right. Never mind.
1:14:41
I think that's how it was written with my as of yesterday, but I I I caught that uh this morning. Darn it. Okay,
1:14:47
fair enough. All right. Well, I'm still sticking with Yes, mostly for contrarian and story purposes, but I thought I had you there. Good work.
1:14:52
This is another one that I edited. Um shoehorned in promotion for Formula 1 on Apple TV. So, I think that's starting
1:15:00
sometime next week if I'm not mistaken. in case the first race is ne from this coming Sunday. I forget what day of the
1:15:06
month that is, but uh the not the Sunday coming, but the Sunday after. So, that will almost certainly get its own press release and you know,
1:15:13
obviously, but what I mean here is if they put out a video, if they put out marketing images, they'll just casually
1:15:19
mention as well, oh, and Formula 1 is beginning soon into something else.
1:15:25
This is the perfect thing to plug with the new Apple TV, right? So, yeah. Oh, very good point. Mhm. You see, now you're getting my
1:15:31
hopes up, Leander. Don't do that. They they updated the maps. I saw
1:15:36
someone raving about the maps app with um some Formula One stuff in it.
1:15:41
So, I'm going to put myself down as yes, they they will want to remind you that it is coming soon.
1:15:47
Yeah, I'll do yes, too. I would say no. Every time I think that they're going to promote something, they
1:15:53
never do. The only thing that makes me gives me pause is the whole thing about like oh is there's this uh you know
1:15:59
thing about the vision pro and formula one and all that you know will they try and make a splash in that way but I
1:16:05
think no. Mhm. I'm going to say yes here. I I think it will be very brief. So brief that Lewis
1:16:13
will be able to make a legitimate argument that it shouldn't count. But I I don't think they're going to do like a
1:16:19
whole dog and pony show or anything like that. I think it'll be very quick. I think it'll be mildly cringey. Uh but I
1:16:25
don't think they're going to proceverate on it. I think it's just going to be like, "Oh, and guess what? Formula 1's coming and you can watch on your Apple TV and you can do it for free now if
1:16:32
you're an Apple 1 person, you know, and so on and so forth." And I think it'll be, you know, 30 seconds or something like that and then they'll move right on.
1:16:38
I mean, think about WWDC like they had a whole opening joke to the to the keynote about Formula 1 like racing on the
1:16:43
ceiling of Apple Park and they didn't even really have anything to promote then. I guess they Oh, they had the F1
1:16:49
movie. That was it. Yeah, the movie. This is a bigger splash, but also a smaller event. So, tricky.
1:16:55
So, so if it's just like a, you know, like let's say they release a MacBook
1:17:01
Pro and there's a screenshot that says Formula 1 on it. Mhm.
1:17:06
And it says you could watch this. You would that count for this? I mean, to me, that doesn't seem I think it would be. It's a It's a
1:17:12
shoehorned in promotion. Like one sentence. Yeah. Finally. All right. Well, we'll see.
1:17:19
This has happened before. Uh, you know, you never know how big or small Apple's going to go in terms of these
1:17:25
announcements. John Turnis hosts three short accompanying product videos,
1:17:31
sort of mini keynotes, as you will. I'm going to put myself down as yes. I'm going to say no because I don't
1:17:36
think that he's um, you know, this the the products are too different. I think they'll they'll mix it up. you know,
1:17:43
they'll they'll they'll do what they do with um the the longer um product introduction um videos
1:17:50
and mix it up and give, you know, give give some other people a chance to uh take the spotlight. That is true. The last time this
1:17:56
happened was for the M4 Max and, you know, they were there were
1:18:01
three very similar products. They were all Macs, you know, the iMac, the MacBook Pro, the Mac Mini. And so, it sort of made sense that they all but you
1:18:07
know, that is true. These are all three very different products. It's my turn now. I'd say no. Okay.
1:18:13
No for a variety of reasons. Might not be alternus. Might not be
1:18:18
short. Yeah. I think there's too there's too much specificity here. I'm really really
1:18:24
thinking that three is the wrong number. Why? I don't know. But I just feel like three is not right. I think it it might
1:18:30
be two. It might be four. Might be 12. Not really, but you know what I mean. Um I think three is what's going to get me
1:18:36
the win on this. And I don't think it's going to be exactly three. And when it is exactly three, you can rub it in my
1:18:42
face, Griffin. But I think I think no. Okay. Well, our listeners, you can go to
1:18:47
dgriffinjones.com/servey and fill in your own answers. Click link in the show notes. Uh if you want to see
1:18:53
our table of votes, which is on my website, and you know, submit your predictions before the before Monday. I
1:19:00
think Apple confirmed that it's going to start on Monday. So, you know, you have a few days. Yeah. Just this weekend.
1:19:07
Yeah. All starting Monday. Yeah. It's going to be a busy week. Really busy week next week. Super and exciting, too.
1:19:12
Even as if just chip and ship. All right. Excellent. I think that's uh we ought to wrap it up there. Uh thanks,
1:19:18
Casey, so much for joining us. Thank you very much. This has been a blast. I'm really really appreciate it.
1:19:24
All right, cool. Yeah, super nice to have you. So, you can find Casey on Mastadon, right?
1:19:30
Yeah. Casey List at Mastadon. I mean, yeah, I'm all over it. Casey listed.
1:19:35
I think I'm I don't even remember what my blue sky handle is. Although I do lurk there at the very least. I think
1:19:40
I'm Liss. I don't remember. What's your What's your favorite Pokemon? Mastedon. Uh because I'm a dork. I get spend the
1:19:47
most time on Masttodon and that's where all my dorks are. I love I love you guys. I'm one of you, but that's I mean that's the way it is. Um but yeah, I
1:19:53
mean you can you can find all my links at my website which is kylist.com. cas.com.
1:19:59
All right, cool. And you can find uh Lewis on Twitter, Lewis Wallace. Griffin's on Mastadon 2 at DG Griffin
1:20:06
Jones and I write the Cultmack newsletter every day uh which you can get at newsletters.cult.com. So, thanks
1:20:12
very much for listening. Thanks for watching and we'll see you all next time. Have a great weekend everybody. Goodbye.
1:20:19
What a weekend it's going to be. Just waiting for the next week.
1:20:27
Did you get your your truck fixed? No. Still they still haven't got the hood opened apparently.
1:20:33
You're joking. Oh, no. I I'd love to hear this story another time because I know we got to roll. But I am already very intrigued.
1:20:40
Yeah, me too. This is a long This is talk about, you know, have you got six hours? The saga
1:20:46
of Louiswis's truck uh could go on. What? Just very briefly, what kind of
1:20:51
truck is it? Mazda B4000 2001. Oh. Oh, gracious. Okay, fair enough. So,
1:20:58
do you know what that is? Seen some stuff. I'm assuming that's some sort of pickup. I'm not familiar with Mazdas of
1:21:03
the early early. It's the rebadged Ford Ranger, isn't it? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Basically, exactly that.
1:21:11
But there are some small ch differences. I mean, aside from just the body and uh
1:21:16
apparently one of those differences is a a sensor, an emissions sensor that uh has cost me hundreds and hundreds of
1:21:22
dollars. And of course, I used to have a full head of hair before that thing. So, you're a BMW nut, right?
1:21:29
Uh well, how much time you got? Um so, I had I had a BMW I I bought a lightly
1:21:36
used BMW in 2012. It was a 2011 model year 335. Um, and I loved that car for
1:21:43
the 10 minutes it stayed working over the six years that I owned it. Um, uh, I adored it. And coincidentally, um,
1:21:50
I, so I have a Volkswagen Golf R. And, um, I've I've had it for 7 years and I'm
1:21:56
starting to get the itch to get something new. And by pure circumstance, a week ago, yesterday, I went and test
1:22:02
drove the BMW i4 M50. So, this is the electric version of their of their coupe
1:22:08
or no, excuse me, it was a grand coupe. So, it's a their sedan, uh, but it's it's based on an a gasoline car, but
1:22:14
then they ripped out the engine, put the electric, uh, the battery and whatnot in it. And I really loved it, which made
1:22:21
for a very uncomfortable conversation with my wife when I said, "Hey, what do you think about bringing another BMW into the family?" And she said in so
1:22:28
many words, "What do you think about getting divorced?" Uh, so, are you mental? Yeah. I mean, I don't think I'm going to
1:22:34
do it because my car works just fine. There's no reason to replace it. that I started thinking to myself, what what are the vacations you could go on if you
1:22:41
don't spend tens of thousands of dollars on a new car? And I quickly convinced myself it's probably not the right answer, but oh man, I I would love to
1:22:48
get one. What What makes you ask out of curiosity, is it this or I just I you know, I can't remember that. I think uh wasn't that the that
1:22:55
was the genesis of the accidental tech podcast, wasn't it? That was originally going to be around was neutral. Mhm. Yep. We we did a car
1:23:01
show for a few episodes. Yep. And I I like I love BMWs. Like I I say
1:23:06
that I've never actually driven one. I just But you know, of course that the reputation for the you know, constantly
1:23:12
being in the shop and being expensive to to maintain. I have a Land Rover which just Yeah. You're in no position to talk.
1:23:19
Not just any Land Rover, like a 30-year-old Land Rover. It it's keeps breaking down, but and but
1:23:24
I keep pouring money. You don't say. The more money I pour into it, the less likely I want to give it up. It's like
1:23:29
becoming an awful trap now. And um but I'd love to get an electric car, you
1:23:34
know, like uh I really want to go electric. Really really like to go electric. So I'm
1:23:40
definitely super interested in getting an electric car, but you know, also I'm in the same boat as you, you know, tens of thousands of dollars. I I don't
1:23:46
really have that lying around and and uh right uh when the when the Land Rover finally
1:23:52
does die or the Scion IQ, that's my other car. That's my city car. Mhm. Um when when they finally go to the
1:23:58
great junkyard in the sky, I think, you know, that's when I'm going to be looking at a at an electric one.
1:24:04
Yeah. No, I So, my wife has a XC90 with a big Volvo SUV, but it's a plug-in hybrid, and we generally speaking don't
1:24:11
live the rich leave the Richmond area. So, she only has like 30 mi of range on her car. But in the twoish years, I
1:24:19
think it's we've had it for about 2 years. I think we've put like five tanks of gas in it because 90% of the time
1:24:25
she's on electricity. And um I personally think for me, I would like to go full battery because my car isn't the
1:24:31
family car. If we take a trip, it isn't in my car. Hell, I don't think my car has been more than an hour away from
1:24:36
this house. Possibly twice in the eight years I've had it, seven years I've had it. So, u I am like the poster child for
1:24:44
like the little baby like Chevy Volt, which is actually nice, but because I like cars too much.
1:24:49
Yeah, my parents have one and they're actually astonishingly nice, but because I'm a jazz who likes going fast and being an
1:24:54
idiot, um that's not really my cup of tea. But that's what I should be driving if I was smart is getting like a little
1:25:00
baby, you know, like a city car that's full electric. Um, but no, I I think it is I think it's time for people like
1:25:06
yourself, people like me to go full electric if we're upgrading and getting a new car anyway. Um, but it's certainly
1:25:14
it's not cheap, especially if you're buying new. I was going to buy this used if if I were to do it. Um, but the the
1:25:19
good news is the depreciation on an electric car is hilarious. You know, I was crossopping Porsches and the Porsche
1:25:25
Tyan is like $120,000 new and you can get them easily for like under 50 grand,
1:25:31
which is astonishing and ridiculous. Um, so it's it's it's I think it's time in
1:25:37
general. I'm again, I don't think I'm going to be buying a new car right now. Um, and and allegedly, actually, for the
1:25:42
record, I'm told that the BMW electric cars are actually astonishingly reliable, but you're still rolling the
1:25:48
dice if you get a an ICE car, you know, a gasoline car. And certainly for me,
1:25:53
every time I went to Richmond BMW, I would walk in the door and they would basically hold their hands out and I would put $1,000 in their hand and then
1:25:59
they said, "Come back tomorrow and we'll ask for the rest of the money." I mean, that's obviously not literally what happened, but pretty much every time I
1:26:05
brought my my 3 series to BMW, which was every other month, it was a,000 bucks. And after after like a year of this, I
1:26:12
was like, I'm done. I can't I can't do it anymore. And this is why my wife is right to say you're an idiot to try to
1:26:18
go back to that. Well, but I tell you what though, as soon as I sat in that car, as soon as I sat in that i4, I was like, oo, this feels like home. You
1:26:24
know, so Lewis, I I I am very sad to hear about your Mazda pickup. Uh my my wife
1:26:30
earlier in in her life had a Mazda 6, a 2007 Mazda 6, and hand to God, that is
1:26:36
probably the best car we've ever owned. We put no money into it. It ran for like 100,000 miles. It was incredible. And to
1:26:43
a degree, I still miss that car. So, I feel for you with your pickup. I'm very sad for you and I'm very sorry.
1:26:49
Yeah. It's weird. I don't know what's going to happen. Uh, do you want to give a quick recap of what happened?
1:26:54
Is there a quick recap? I mean, it there a couple of years ago, I had to
1:27:00
get a fuel pump replaced. And I'm pretty damn sure that what happened is when they changed that out, they used a Ford
1:27:06
fuel pump instead of a Mazda fuel pump or some kind of and I think that there's like a sensor built into that fuel pump that is part
1:27:14
of the you know emission system. Emission system. Yeah. And and and that
1:27:20
and after that it it you know failed the smog test. It had never had a problem ever. Ever. Uh, and I had to go to I
1:27:28
went to like multiple places, get it smogged, and they're like, "Oh, well, you know, you had the
1:27:34
battery unhooked to get the thing done, so you need to ride it around for another couple hundred miles, which, you know, took me weeks or even months,
1:27:40
right? My uh I So, I drove around that time like for a
1:27:45
year and a half with expired uh tabs on my registration." And I mean, to be honest, like, okay,
1:27:53
San Francisco, they don't pay that much attention. They don't they don't stop people from running through stop signs. So why are they going to care if my car
1:27:59
is registered? But uh so this this last and I swore then like I'm going to I got to get rid of this thing before this
1:28:05
happens again. I can't go through this like bureaucracy of the the what's it called?
1:28:10
Bar Bay Area re or I can't even remember what it's called. Yeah. Um and of course I didn't because I
1:28:18
don't have you know just $20,000 lying around to buy a different car. I can't can't decide. And you know, wife isn't
1:28:23
interested in cars, but she doesn't drive, but she doesn't mind getting uh dropped off places. So, um
1:28:31
so anyway, I I just kind of like didn't get around to getting it smogged. And the other day I I uh I was going to go
1:28:39
play darts down in South S uh like down around San Jose or something, Santa Clara. And uh my friend's like, "Oh,
1:28:46
well, you know, I could pick you up." I'm like, "Oh, I'll just meet you at the BART station. I'll just leave my car there and you can drive and you know
1:28:52
that way kind of carpool. You don't have to go all this way. And so she goes she drops me off at the Bard station and my
1:28:58
car is not there. Like oh god. And so it
1:29:03
we I found out then like you're really not supposed to park at the Bard station like that anyway. And they go around and
1:29:10
they look since they saw that I had expired registration. They towed it. So, you know, I ended up spending half a day
1:29:16
that next day. You know, I had to go to the DMV, sit there for an hour and a half, two hours. I had to go to the cop
1:29:22
shop, pay them $250 to sign a slip of paper. I had to go to uh finally, and oddly
1:29:28
enough, the thing had been towed to within a half mile of my house, like completely not not where, you know, was.
1:29:36
So, that was convenient. And uh so I had to pay them $320 to get the car out. So, now I got a $600 extra
1:29:43
on this card I don't want to spend a penny on. And uh I took it I took it to the smog shop where I took it the last
1:29:50
time where they sorted it all out and got help me get the exemption because the part the part I I left out before
1:29:56
the part in that uh fuel pump, they don't make it anymore. So, you can't get Oh, cool.
1:30:01
Yeah. You can't get So, there is a mechanism for like if you spend a certain amount of money, a certain amount of time, you exhaust all your
1:30:07
things, they you can get an ex exemption for two years. And so I'm trying to get that again. And but I to I took it to
1:30:13
the shop on Tuesday morning first thing and I c they're like, "Oh yeah, we should have this, you know, with an hour
1:30:19
till we get back to you." I called him like at the end of the day. I'm like, "Well, should I come pick it up or what?" Like, "Oh, we haven't been able
1:30:24
to get the the hood open." And I said, "What? What?" That's exactly what I
1:30:29
said, "Are you I I laughed. I said, "Are you kidding me?" And I've had this happen before. I said, "You know, you
1:30:34
just have to like get in there and just really like crank on that thing down there." And and in fact, you just take vice grips and grab. It's just a wire.
1:30:40
You can just pull it. And the guy's like, "Well, you know, I think it was a smog technician, a female smog
1:30:46
technician who was looking into it. So maybe I can get one of the mechanic guys to do it." And I'm like, "Okay, great." So I called up yesterday, end of the
1:30:52
day, you know, once again. I said, "What's up? What's up with the car? Just checking." I come and get it like, "Oh, I think they still haven't be able to
1:30:58
get the hood open." And how how Okay. Well, I I mean, if it
1:31:05
How do you run a workshop and you can't open a hood? They should get a tin can opener, too.
1:31:10
Oh my god. I just I just don't get it, you know? So, um, who knows? I'm not sure how much it's going to I it the car
1:31:17
is at the I mean, it's only got 120,000 miles. It's 25 years old.
1:31:23
Runs fine, but things are, you know, like sometimes I can't roll the window down because the actuator's like shot or
1:31:29
something's shot somewhere. Doesn't the air condition doesn't work, you Yeah, it's just always something,
1:31:34
you know, and it's like I just really would like to become an adult and have a car that works.
1:31:39
That that's kind of my situation as well since I guess we're sort of going around the the horn here. Um I'm a car
1:31:45
enthusiast, although I drive a Prius. That's an I know. I know. I I I don't
1:31:52
like it. It's miserable. It disappoints me every time I push down the accelerator. But the the thing that that
1:31:59
keeps me out and the worst part about it is that it won't break down. The one piece of maintenance that it needs at
1:32:05
180,000 mi and then once I get that fixed, it's cursed to live for another 180,000 mi. But I keep it because I
1:32:12
bought it in the fall of 2019 for $2,000.
1:32:18
I know it's the And it refuses to die. You're curse. What a what a curse, Griffin. What a curse. I am I am super
1:32:26
interested in one of those plug-in hybrids because I have the same situation. Like I I can't I I probably drive once a month farther
1:32:34
than 30 40 miles. Yeah. All of my trips are within town. And and to be clear, you know, there are
1:32:39
plug-in hybrids that are not as big as a house and they get a lot better range than the 30 miles that Aaron's car gets.
1:32:45
So, you should definitely consider it because it's really great, especially if it's if if it's an only car. It's the
1:32:51
best of both worlds because, you know, as soon as it runs out of electricity, the engine is already running. You know, at that point it realizes what's about
1:32:57
to happen. The engine's already running and then you just carry on like it's a regular car. So, yeah, I can't say
1:33:02
enough good things. If you didn't want to go full battery, I really really have enjoyed having the plug-in hybrid. It's
1:33:07
really worked out well for her. Yeah, I I had a one of the guys on the darts team, he had a um one of the Prius
1:33:14
plug-in hybrids. This was before this I mean I think the first version of that only got like 24 miles or something on
1:33:20
electric. But he he said he literally like every 6 months he would have to like
1:33:25
intentionally drive somewhere to burn some gas to to so he could actually you
1:33:31
know keep the gas new because it's just so convenient to just keep it plugged in
1:33:36
and and you barely you know most your trips are not that long around like I think it was around like
1:33:41
150,000 miles. you know, I needed to replace the brakes and I, you know, it should be a simple operation. He just
1:33:47
pull the brake pads off, but for whatever reason, the person who was doing that it for me like couldn't pull them off and he realized these are
1:33:53
probably the original brake pads that shipped with this car in 2010 cuz it uses regenerative braking to slow down
1:33:59
automatically. And so, right, right. It was the first I never had to replace
1:34:04
the brakes before. That's fantastic. You keep a spreadsheet of your fuel consumption? Yes. Because I'm that kind of dork. here
1:34:10
the the the tank's miles per gallon for this particular tank in June of last year. Effective miles a gallon of 470
1:34:18
because it was on battery for like the entire tank for one tank. Again, that's this is unfair because what's really happening
1:34:25
is we drove where's the mileage? Uh we drove um 1300 miles on that tank of gas,
1:34:30
but presumably a thousand literally a thousand of them were electricity. So, this is kind of but the
1:34:37
effective miles per gallon was 470 m per gallon on that tank of gas. I mean, the average miles per gallon for the entire
1:34:43
life of the car since we got it in July of 2024 is 91 miles per gallon. And
1:34:48
that's after having gone these are trips basically. So, are you plugging it in also?
1:34:53
Mhm. Yeah. So, every night basically every time it's in the garage, it's getting So, have you got a spreadsheet of um you
1:34:58
know, the electrical costs? So, okay, I got to go guys. See you later.
1:35:04
No, I don't. And that's a fair all snark aside, that's a fair question. But you get my point is that if you're not
1:35:10
driving far, you know, if you're not doing more than 30, 40 miles in a day, then it really can be an astonishingly
1:35:17
long amount of time. Like you were saying about your friend in at darts, it can be an astonishing amount of time before you fill the car. And for her, we
1:35:23
drive it far enough often enough that it'll be, you know, every couple of months or maybe every month. Uh but it's
1:35:28
certainly a lot better than the same. She had the same car but full full gasoline um before it had a catastrophic
1:35:34
failure that wasn't the car's fault. Well, anyways, um that car we would fill once every three to four weeks and this
1:35:41
car we maybe maybe fill every month, you know, and and the old one was like every couple of weeks, maybe three on a good
1:35:47
tank. So, I recommend it. one of the major car manufacturers I think just they they had their results last week
1:35:53
and I think the electrical cars the plug the plug the full plugin the full electric cars the sales were terrible
1:36:00
but the hybrids were off the charts I forget which manufacturer it was I think you're thinking that's not surprising
1:36:05
for Ford has decided to cut back on their all electric models and go back to like plug-in hybrids and that's it
1:36:10
which actually coming back to Lewis and your car search that you don't want to go on a a local friend has an F-150
1:36:16
Lightning and that I mean I'm not a pickup person So, for me, it doesn't really do much for me, but I can tell
1:36:21
you that it's a very nice truck and you can get them very cheap. Well, cheap
1:36:26
given, you know, as compared to the MSRP, right? Like, it's still 10, 20, $30,000, but given that these things
1:36:33
were supposed to be like 60, 70, 80, 90 or whatever it was, you can get an F-150 Lightning astonishingly cheap. And his
1:36:39
goes something like 250 miles on a on a battery, on a charge. So, I'm not saying that a PHEV is the wrong choice for you.
1:36:46
In fact, the way you describe it, it sounds like it's the right choice. But if you wanted to stick with a pickup in something that's Ford or Fordish, you
1:36:53
should at least glance at an F-150 Lightning. They're very nice. I really don't need a truck anymore. I mean, I I bought that thing because it
1:37:00
was uh, you know, we were doing work on our house and I had to move musical equipment all the time.
1:37:06
Most people who buy an F-150 don't need a truck either. That doesn't stop them. Yeah. Well, I didn't say that, but you are 100% You
1:37:11
are 100% correct. Yeah, I I was kind of shocked like when I started looking at this. I mean, this is another reason why
1:37:18
it's like why I haven't made a decision. It's like, oh my god, there's so many different kinds of plug-in hybrids. I
1:37:24
had no idea. Like there's a Ford and and I was just looking yesterday on a website, Ford Escape plug-in hybrid, a
1:37:32
2000 or sorry, 2024 model, brand new. So, apparently they still haven't and
1:37:37
it's like half price, like $24,000 at a dealer, you know, because they haven't got rid of the 2024 model.
1:37:44
Crazy. Uh, it's like, god dang, really? I I just I don't know how I would like to
1:37:51
get one that actually got good mileage on the gas part of it. And that's what I'm kind of I mean, I've been looking at
1:37:57
like the Prius and things like that, but I' I've still never gone and ridden in one. And I I the idea of having a
1:38:04
if you drive one, you won't want to buy it anymore. I'll tell you that if you want if you want to drive a marshmallow, you're fine. That's that's all you need.
1:38:09
Supposedly, the new ones uh are are kind of peppy, but Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the new ones look really nice.
1:38:15
Old one. The styling of the new ones is is fantastic. They look great. Actually, I would agree with that, too. Yeah. Yeah. I better go cuz I got to get on with the
1:38:21
the newsletter. Oh god. Yeah. It's funny how it very fitting how we
1:38:26
made an accidental car podcast. That's true. See, we did it. We success.
1:38:32
All right. Well, thank you very much, gentlemen. I really appreciate it and uh hopefully I'll talk to all of you soon. All right, take care guys. Goodbye.
1:38:38
Take care. Bye.

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