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Hello and welcome to the Cultcast, the best hourong Apple conversation uh you're going to hear all week long. I'm
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your host, Lyanna Kenny. Joining me today, we have D. Griffin Jones. Hello, Griffin.
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Good evening. How are you? I'm all right, thank you. Not too bad. Uh and also Lewis. Hello, Lewis.
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Hello. How's it going? Pretty good. I like Have you got an ugly Christmas sweater on there? Yes, I do.
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Very appropriate. And I've got an ugly uh Christmas black buttondown shirt.
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Very Christmassy. Yeah. Everybody says Christmas like a black shirt. Mhm.
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All right. So, this is our year- end episode, end of year episode, and we're going to be reviewing the biggest news
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stories, rumors, leaks, and madness of 2025. We're going to happen everything that happened during the year in extreme
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detail, but we're going to be adding some nuance. So, buckle in. This is
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going to be a great show. This is actually the last show uh of the cult cast. This is going to be the last
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episode of the cult cast specifically. We're moving to a new show called the cult of
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wherever you get your podcasts everywhere. So search for Cult of Mac in your podcast app or click the link at
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But in the future, we're going to migrate to the new Cult of Mac feed. So, if you want to continue uh, listening to
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there, Louis? Slightly flat affect there. Come on. If you want to keep listening to this amazing show, I think this is what you
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meant to say. Right. You're right. Yeah. Sorry, I can't I can't really hype it up. I'm not really Somebody get Flavor Flave in here. We
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need a hype, man. Yep. Well, anyway, so check out the show notes and uh we'll have links and we'll
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we'll have a post about this obviously in the cult website. So, we're going to be moving to a new feed plea in the new year. So, please please do subscribe.
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Just search for Cult of Mecca and you'll know it's the right one because we have a very similar looking artwork to the artwork you're already familiar with of
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the cult cast, but uh it's a placeholder. We'll have we'll have more more exciting new stuff coming. Even a
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even a new theme music, which I haven't even heard yet. It's still being worked on. So, wow. This is very exciting. 2026. It's it's
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everything's going to come together in 2026, man. Yeah. That's what I'm hoping.
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But let's talk about 2025. You know, it was actually a really big year for Apple and we're going to get into it every single mind-numbing detail. So, let's
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start in January. January 21st. Uh the year kicked off with a big leak about
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iOS 19's camera app. It might receive a vision OS inspired revamp. This is from John Proer at Front Page Tech who mocked
3:04
up a simplified new camera interface and it it gave us the first clue at the major redesign coming. Um, and another
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top post from that month, we we did a how-to about the new camera, iPhone camera control, how to make it suck
3:16
less. After a few months with the iPhone 16 and hand, people found the new camera control to be incredibly complicated to
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use. So, we did a how-to about how to use it, like a simple open the camera and take a picture button. Uh, and this,
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you know, Apple was listening. Obviously, Tim Cook was reading the site and he uh ordered his minions to make
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this the default setting, all the new phones. So, it they changed it. It was awful, you know, like I never could use
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it until um you know, I changed the settings and and now I that was great and now I use all the time. I finally
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trained myself to use the camera control button and and I I was wrong. I got to admit completely wrong about the whole
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thing the whole time is is actually great once you once you uh you train yourself how to use it. Of course, I
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haven't actually worked out how to use it in a more complicated manner, you know, which is to to do the half press.
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Do you guys use it? I I also just have it open the camera and take a picture and nothing else. I I tried really hard
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to to familiarize myself with all the extra buttons, but the thing is it's just such a small touch target that like
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swiping your finger isn't very precise and it's honestly just easier tapping the camera zoom buttons or the you just
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I I know how to tap the screen and adjust the brightness and exposure and focus. I I just do that now. Um, and I I
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reassign I turned off the uh camera swipe on the lock screen to open the camera. That was a new feature I
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disabled. And I also replaced the camera button on the lock screen with an Apple TV remote button. And I found that to be
4:45
incredibly useful as well. So, that's a good idea. Thumbs up because I still use the the the every
4:51
now and again that the uh the little icon on the on the home screen. Um, yeah, I should do that, too. I should put it That's a good idea. Apple
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TV remote. Mhm. Lander, I remember you said when the action button came out that you wish
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the action button was in the spot of the iPhone that is now being used for the camera control. Do you still do you
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still believe that or do you feel like the camera control is filling that need for you? Uh camera control is definitely filling that need for me because now I turn it
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that way but before I would turn it the other way. It's you know it's not much of a difference is it? You turn it left
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or right and because I still shoot a lot of pictures in uh landscape.
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Yeah. just, you know, because you're over the age of 25. Yeah, right. Exactly. I know. I'm trying
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to change that. I started taking some, you know, here's another thing. I started taking some vertical photos and vertical videos for the first time ever.
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Um, and I've still got I've still got to I've still got to train myself to do that, you know. I still got to get used to that. It's still kind of weird and
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and unnatural, but I I like pictures in in uh in landscape, I think. And I don't
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know, that seems to me the that's the right way to take a picture. You can take a picture, take it in a bloody landscape. Mhm.
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Yeah, the action button. That's a that's now that's a button I don't use. It's so far out of the It's so far out of the
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way. I I forget it's there. I can't even remember what mine is set up to do to be honest. That's how that's how
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infrequently I use it. For a while, I had it set for uh translation.
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Oh, that's what mine is. Hold to translate. And I've never used that once either.
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Maybe I should do something useful with it. It doesn't actually do anything that I mean, and I can't be bothered to set up all the shortcuts.
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uh you know to do something but because like I never think of like what what do I want a shortcut to do? Although I did see that there was someone who had a
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really elaborate shortcut like um if you get pulled over by the cops. Did you see this? It went viral earlier in the week.
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Um I I think it went viral a year ago. It seems like it's a a resurface.
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Okay, maybe it was a resurface, but this one was incredibly complicated. It shut down your phone, put it into like some kind of mode, sent messages to
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everybody, started recording, gave you a script to tell the cops. It was like, oh my god, it was like it was incredibly
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cripply detailed. Knew it and improved. He gives you a script to read to the cops. Yeah. On your on your home screen, like,
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you know, like, uh, I, you know, I take I I retain my right to remain silent, so, you know, I won't talk until I see a
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lawyer, blah, blah, blah. That kind of stuff. Just one drink with dinner, sir. Yeah. Right. Exactly. Hours ago.
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Uh, yeah. I I'd need to, but that's always the thing with shortcuts. like I I don't know, you know, I could never
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really find a shortcut that did something that was worth, you know,
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doing and remembering. If you uh if you're often irritated by uh the portrait lock on your phone, I
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really recommend uh assigning the action button to be a shortcut that toggles that so that you know if you turn your
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phone sideways and it doesn't rotate when you mean it to, just click the action button and then it'll unlock and rotate it again. That's what I that's
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one of the things I use it for. Can't say I've ever ever ever encountered that. But
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I mean, the problem with all these things I if you don't you set it up, it's like I mean when you get pulled
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over by a cop, how are you possibly going to remember it? You don't remember these things unless you use them on a
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daily basis, right? So, you set this thing up that you know, let's just say
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perhaps it happens six months from now. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. You're freaked out. The a cop's walking up to you. You're
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like, "Oh, yeah. I got to remember to doesn't feel like something you could probably put in a widget and like bury
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somewhere. And that that feels like how often are you getting pulled over the cops by you need it that you need a dedicated button on your phone to do
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that? I guess if you could, you know, say, "Hey Siri, it's the cops, you know, or
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something like that. Trigger it with a voice thing. Maybe lockown mode." Do you really want to use Siri for that?
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Yeah. Right. Here's the song by the police. Roxan.
8:50
All right, let's move on to February. Let's see. Yes, another massive leak from Front Page Tech gave us our first
8:55
look at the iPhone Air supposed design. And uh it really nailed the radically thin look with a single rear camera and
9:02
the plateau, the iconic plateau is what Apple ended up calling it. Uh
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couple of differences, you know, it showed the plateau in a different color from the rest of the body. And uh you
9:14
know, only someone like Griffin would notice this. It had squared off corners, not the more rounded final design, but
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uh you know when when Apple finally showed off the iPhone Air, there it was. That's what it looked like. We got a a
9:25
glimpse. What was that like nine months early? Yeah. I think a lot of some of these um early
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leaks about this generation of phones that all had like the black of the of the plateau on the top. I still think
9:39
those looked a little better than the final one that we got. Did anyone believe those leaks when they came out? What do you remember what the
9:45
reaction was like? Was it was it like, "Oh, wow. He's nailed it." Or was it like, "Ah, this is never gonna this is
9:50
never going to be true." Uh, I think people mentioned, "Well, John Proer has a bit of a spotty record
9:55
because the he went all in on, yeah, there's going to be a new square Apple Watch with like the squared off flat
10:01
sides and that never happened at all." So, I think people had a, you know, there was a bit of a caveing, take it
10:06
with a grain of salt, but the fact that so many different people were also talking about the iPhone Air, I think made this a little more believable. in
10:13
particular. John's had his wings clipped a little, hasn't he? Uh yeah. Yeah. He would later be sued by
10:19
Apple in a in a lawsuit that I believe is still going on, right? Which doesn't Yeah, it looks like
10:24
some very serious business. Mhm. Kind of a shady setup that one was. Uh let's see. Also in February last year,
10:31
on February 19th, 2 days after that other leak, uh the iPhone 16e arrived,
10:37
Apple's budget model, new budget model. Uh, three things surprising about this
10:43
thing. One, no Mag Safe, which I still think is a crime. Can't can't believe they left that out.
10:50
Uh, higher price tag than the iPhone SE. This one starts at $599.
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And uh Oh, the other thing that was surprising was it was that was it just the iPhone 16. No other we are expecting
11:01
other products alongside it. Nothing. I still think about the iPhone 16 all the time. I had it for like a good week
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and a half. man, how lightweight it is. It's it it was really gamechanging.
11:13
Well, I just bought my mom a a new iPhone for Christmas. Uh she's on an iPhone 12 and she's always complaining
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about uh her phone. I think she's got um you know, she she she wants a new one.
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So, I was debating getting the iPhone 16, but because of Mags Safe, I didn't get it. You know, that's the only reason
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why I didn't buy that phone because it didn't have Mag Safe. She she has a pop socket on the back of her phone which uh
11:35
she which actually she only have she has to put a MagSafe case on the 12 because that doesn't have Mag Safe either.
11:40
No, that one still has Mags Safe. Maybe she has an iPhone 11. Okay. It must be an older one then. Yeah. Uh it's whatever it is. It doesn't
11:47
have Mag Safe. She has to have a she has a Mags safe case on it which which enables MagSafe. But uh that was the the
11:53
one number one one feature for my mom was getting getting Mag Safe a phone with Mag Safe. So I ended up buying a a
11:58
uh an old iPhone 15 for her. Mhm. Not an air. Well, no. Uh
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hope she's not listening. No, it's uh I think an air would be is too much uh is too much phone for mom.
12:13
But uh And do you mean too little phone? Yeah, I got the bigger screen, which might be a mistake because she might not
12:20
like the the extra heft of the uh compared to Sounds like she really would like the iPhone Air then.
12:26
Yeah, we'll we'll see. We'll find out in a couple of days, I guess. So yeah. Yeah. But man, I I think the iPhone 16
12:34
is also maybe just one of the most gorgeous phones Apple's made in a long time. Like again, only the single
12:40
camera. It's so small and dimminitive. It doesn't even have a plateau. Like it's just all flat on the back. It looks
12:45
It looks very iPhone 4 in that sort of regard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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I I think the iPhone 17e, you know, the rumor is that it'll have Mag Safe added to it. Maybe they'll keep the iPhone 16e
12:58
for sale and lower the price. So maybe they'll solve all of its problems. We never found out what the E stood for,
13:04
did we? We never really knew what the SE stood for either.
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Special edition really unless you don't think officially the
13:15
letters stand for anything like the the you know the S. What what does the S
13:20
mean? It's just a it's just a letter. You know, the funniest example to me is when they replaced the A12X with the
13:28
A12Z and they asked, "Well, what does the Z mean?" It's it's more than X was
13:33
the answer. Very spinal tap, isn't it? Why no why?
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Well, why I think sounds that definitely does sound weird. Where Z has a long, you know, like do
13:45
you remember the Datson whatever it was? Z. Yeah. Iconic car. Z28. Is that what it's called?
13:52
I can't Yeah, I forget. But Z has connotations, doesn't it? Like it's a for other products, other And who calls
14:00
any No one calls anything the Y, do they? Does any product called the Y there something Y? Well, another another car world
14:06
connection there was the in the late ' 80s there was the Honda CRX, which was a
14:11
small two seat economical car, and then in the 2010s there was the Honda CRZ,
14:17
which was a small two-seater economical car. And the car between them wasn't called the Honda CRY because that would
14:23
be called Cry. It was called the Honda Insight. Exactly. There you go.
14:30
All right. What happened in March, Griffin? In March, a lot of things happened in March. Apple introduced the M4 MacBook
14:36
Air, the M4 Max and M3 Ultra Studio, the M3 iPad Air, and the 11th generation
14:42
iPad. Uh these are all spec bump updates, but they packed a few surprises like the MacBook Air's new sky blue
14:48
color, which is almost a color, I would say. Uh the real standout, surprisingly, was the Mac Studio. It ended up uh
14:56
gaining a lot of uh excitement because it comes with 512 GB of unified memory.
15:01
Uh Apple accidentally made the best AI computer in the world. It can run Deep Seek V3 entirely locally. You can
15:08
network multiple of them together over Thunderbolt 5 for even bigger models like the full DeepSseek R1 model with a
15:14
longer context window. Yeah, I saw some people they they said when you get five five of these things hooked together uh it even rivals, you
15:21
know, the Nvidia uh data center chips, which is clearly not true.
15:27
I don't think that's that's anywhere near true, is it? I mean it doesn't it runs like at a fraction of uh the speed
15:32
of a um you know invid like it you know the what Nvidia is capable of doing in
15:38
the data center it so it it it does it but it doesn't rival a I mean there's no
15:44
way people are replacing data centers with a with with five Mac studios stacked up on each other
15:49
not in the data center no but you know on you know for personal use if you're using local models like there's there's
15:54
really nothing better you can buy like it is an excellent value I mean especially just because the prices of RAM have gone up so high. Like, yeah,
16:01
everybody laughs at Apple's RAM prices, but suddenly a 512 GB Mac Studio is
16:06
like, "Oh, that's only $10,000." Like, yeah, it's a bargain. Yeah.
16:13
Let's move on to April. So, April 2nd, President Donald Trump's tariffs rattled
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Apple's global supply chain. For countries where Apple manufactures products, the Trump administration announced import tariffs starting at 20%
16:26
and with China at 54%. 10 days later, Trump announced that
16:31
there would be no tariffs on phones, computers, processors, TVs, and other electronics, no matter which country
16:36
they were made in. Two days later, Trump said the tariff relief would only be
16:41
temporary. 10 days later, Apple made plans to manufacture all US-bound
16:46
iPhones in India to take advantage of the country's slightly lower tariff rate. But the shift would take time. In
16:52
the short term, Apple CEO Tim Cook told investors that tariffs would cost Apple 900 million in the summer quarter and
16:58
that actually later that would prove to be an underestimation. Yeah, that was kind of a little bit of a whiplash
17:03
there, wasn't it? In April. It was strange how after all of that they decided not to build things in the United States. Huh.
17:10
Yeah. Right. surprisingly I haven't seen have there been a lot of manufacturers that have shift
17:15
manufacturing to the United States in to you know in in uh response to these tariffs like there was a few limited
17:22
reports I can't remember now but I don't you know I don't think I can remember any major
17:29
announcements yet there's been a lot of like investment announcements but even Apple you know
17:35
they kind of spun their previously announced investments as like oh Look, see, we're doing all this and yay,
17:42
here's a shiny bobble. Yeah. 600 billion of money they were already
17:47
spending. Mhm. Yeah. I think I most of the stories that I saw this last year was people was was
17:55
doing what Apple's doing, which is shifting away from China towards other countries,
18:01
not the USA, which I mean this that's been going on for years, too. I mean, the the pandemic
18:06
laid bare how bad of an idea is to put all your eggs in one basket, especially if that is basket was made in China,
18:13
right? Yeah. Exactly. Yep. Very true. Very true. All right, let's move on to May.
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May 14, 2025. Bunch more rumors about the, get this, the 20th anniversary iPhone, which isn't coming until 2027.
18:26
Uh, but rumors from ET News and Bloomberg pointed to the camera, sensors, and Face ID components moving
18:33
under the 20th anniversary iPhone's display for a true full screen design.
18:38
And uh, screen might go beyond edgeto edge, could wrap around all four sides of the device down the side. Uh,
18:44
supposedly this is, you know, Apple doing what they did similar to with the iPhone 10 where it's like, okay, here's
18:49
a we're moving into a new era of screen to, you know, edgetoedge screen around the edge screen. the new era of what the
18:57
iPhone's going to look like. It's interesting that we've been hearing those those rumors for so long.
19:02
Well, the iPhone 10 is is interesting because that that was a huge redesign, like you said, that laid the foundation
19:08
for all the subsequent iPhones. And so, it sounds like for the iPhone 20 uh 20th anniversary edition, they're going to do
19:14
the same thing. This is a major major redesign that's going to lay the foundation for all the subsequent models after that. Although, of course, they've
19:20
also got a folding phone and, you know, various other iterations. Yeah. It makes you wonder what the
19:25
flagship phone is going to be. Like next year it's all going to be about the folding iPhone and then the year after that the regular slab iPhones are going
19:32
to get this radical new design that will have much more diversity of iPhones, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And have you
19:38
seen those those mock-ups of the folding iPhone? You know, where it's like a sort of little short squad device that opens
19:43
up uh to the size of the iPad Mini. It does look kind of weird. Do you
19:49
ones they're talking about? Yeah. I'm not really sure whether uh you know whether to um although
19:55
they're supposed to be based on all the leak specs and stuff like that and this thing is in production already, right? So the big story so far, hasn't it been
20:01
they've eliminated the crease, so this thing will have no crease when it's when it's folded flat out. But that uh you
20:07
know it looks great when it's unfolded, but when it's when it's folded up and it's in your hand and it's sort of this
20:13
sort of little fat passport, um I wonder how that's going to work. But uh
20:18
yeah, it's kind of weird, man. And I I Do you think that's actually what it's going to look like? I mean, the last one
20:24
I saw it looked like a wallet or something. It just it's a weird shape. Yeah. Yeah. This is why I'm sort of
20:30
skeptical, but um we'll we'll see. It does look interesting. I don't necessarily be against it. Uh it's in
20:36
fact it would, you know, my photography I'd be I'd be able to take a a uh a landscape picture and portrait. Yeah,
20:44
I'm excited for it because uh yeah, the inside display is going to be much more square than rectangular. And I think
20:49
MKBHD when he was recently talking about the new Galaxy Zfold device, he was
20:55
saying, "Yeah, you know, you like the the although it's a big display, like it has a lot of surface area, you know,
21:00
it's very square, which isn't ideal for watching, you know, modern 16x9 content because if it's something in 16x9, it's
21:07
not actually going to look that much bigger than on a regular phone. There's going to be a lot of black space." But I was thinking, well, sure, if you're
21:13
watching widescreen content, not if you're watching 4x3 40-year-old Doctor Who, like standard or
21:21
standard definition television, as I probably will be. It'll be much bigger. So, I'm looking forward. I'm excited.
21:28
Perfect. I'm sure they was the forefront of their minds when they were designing it. I I'm I'm sure that'll be in all of
21:33
Apple's, you know, beautiful marketing shots of, you know, where they where they always show like movies or shows
21:38
and like the full screen of the phone all the way to the edge. I'm sure they'll be using uh the seeds of doom
21:44
from 1983. All right, let's uh let's talk about
21:50
June. Apple unveiled Liquid Glass, its biggest design refresh ever. Uh, the new user
21:55
interface extended to all Apple's platforms, but it shined brightest in iOS 26 with many apps fully redesigned
22:01
alongside new Apple intelligence, messages, phone, and customization features. Mac OS Tahoe gained an allnew
22:08
spotlight and iPhone mirroring. And the big surprise for iPad OS 26 came in the form of a new entirely free form window
22:14
mode for multitasking. Big big software updates.
22:19
Also later that month, a new rumor rumor indicated Apple might launch its most affordable MacBook yet. Powered by an
22:26
A18 Prochip, it would be the first MacBook with an iPhone class A series chip inside. So big hardware news as
22:34
well. I think that first we heard about that uh that lowcost MacBook. So a few a few months in, how are we feeling about
22:40
these uh these software updates? Well, yeah, I I'm you know, I'm generally on board with them. I like
22:47
them. I like the Luna liquid glass. Although we've been did some polls in the in the newsletter and and my
22:53
goodness the vitrial especially after you know Apple's been pushing this last couple of weeks for people to upgrade uh
23:00
but you know it's typical though you only really sort of hear from people who don't like something who have something
23:05
to complain people who who are happy you know tend to be the sort of like the silent and I think in this case the
23:10
silent majority because the we asked in the poll results most of the breeders of the cult newsletter generally liked it
23:16
or they said they were willing to get used to Um, but then the comments,
23:22
there was dozens of comments and it was all from people saying, "I hate this." So, one woman said that she bought an iPhone 17 and then uh she hated uh iOS
23:31
26 so much that she sold it and then downgraded her phone so that she could run something that was running iOS 18.
23:38
There are a lot of annoying things, man. I the the freaking podcast app, which I mean I probably shouldn't be using
23:44
Apple's podcast app in the first place, but I it's it's like a I I feel like I'm
23:50
playing one of those games at uh you know, Cracker Barrel where you have to move the pegs around cuz it's like
23:56
you're tapping all over the place just to you know, how do I get back to the stupid thing to fast forward 30 seconds?
24:01
I it's it's cumbersome as hell. There's a lot of things that, you know, tap tap
24:06
tap tap tap. I just I just recently this week uh reverted to the old style of Safari cuz I'm sick and tired of that
24:12
stupid thing and having to tap two or three times to get to my tabs. I'm just, you know, I I I feel like the whole iOS
24:20
26 thing is I mean the the looks aside, sometimes it looks kind of cool. Most to
24:25
me most times it looks just kind of trashy and unfinished. Uh but the
24:31
usability it's it's not as usable as iOS 18 was. I
24:36
it's just I get really irritated when I have to do the same thing over and over and and like and when that thing takes
24:44
two or three taps rather than one. I I really, you know, I mean, is is it going
24:49
to ruin my life? No. But do I think that there were bad choices made? Yes.
24:56
It does look pretty. And and the the fact that Alan Dy is gone gives me hope because he very much seemed to be of the
25:01
school of, you know, minimizing things as much as possible. And I the the the
25:06
minimizing tab bar that makes you tap twice to switch a tab of you know the the the bottom tab bars or the minimal
25:13
Safari. I wasn't there when they were designing it but it feels like a very Allen die idea. And so you know I'm I'm
25:18
sure that we'll we might see liquid glass evolve but some of the you know the abstract part of user interface
25:23
design of like you know how many taps does it take to do this? How many how often are you hiding this? I feel like we'll we'll see a return to form in that
25:30
regard. the uh the compact Safari uh tab bar. I again I was all confused when it
25:35
first came out and then I've been training myself to use it. And the one advantage is that you've got all your controls at the bottom of the screen where your thumb is.
25:41
So, you know, I think that that's one that is kind of worth training yourself to like.
25:47
I don't even like the way it looks. I mean, it it's always overlaid over something. It's like I don't know. I I
25:52
just I mean, the trick that everybody will tell you is you don't need to tap the three dots button and then tap all tabs.
25:58
You can swipe up on the address bar to to see all of your tabs. Kind of like how you can swipe up from the bottom of
26:04
your phone to see all of your apps. Well, sometimes it brings you, you know, you do have to be kind of careful not to
26:10
go to the home screen, but that does actually work quite well. I think that swipe up to see the tabs. Mhm.
26:15
I have 199 tabs open. Oh my gosh. I think Here's another pro tip. Go to go
26:22
to settings, apps, Safari, and there's a setting you can able to close every tab after seven days. That's what I do. Oh,
26:28
I I there's no way I would do that. Some I've had some of these tabs open for years. These are these are things I want
26:34
to remember. You can just find them again if you need them again. There's this thing called bookmarks. Yeah. Well, I
26:41
did a tab purge on my machine. My finally my work machine got so clogged down. I was like, "Okay, I better close a few tabs now instead of keeping them
26:47
open." So, and then I just got so sick of it, I just closed the whole window and I said, "Okay, I'm going to start a fresh." And I mean, think about this. Is it going to
26:54
be easier to just go to whatever article you're leaving open for later by typing in the address bar or by scrolling to
27:00
find it out of 199 other tabs? These are all things I want to remember, you know, all things I've been working
27:06
on. So, they all they're all there for important working on. Well, often when I'm researching
27:11
something, I like you like I see so I'll be reading an article or whatever and then it'll link to something else and I
27:17
go, which is interesting. So I open that in a new tab with the intention of going to read that after I read what I'm
27:24
currently reading. And so sometimes by the end of like if it's a detailed thing, you know, I'll have about eight new tabs open and then those sometimes
27:31
those tend not to get closed. Um have you tried tab groups? You need to learn to let go.
27:37
I did. Yeah, I did try tab groups and I do have a couple of tab groups set up. Um, so I do use those, but yeah, I
27:44
should probably use those for the for Yeah, it is definitely digital hoarding. That's a good idea though. I I should
27:51
definitely do that. When I start a new project, I should start a new tab group for it. Good tip there, Lewis. Thanks.
27:57
I'm full of them. Oh, hold on. I've got my Autozone uh purchase here when I was to go trying to
28:03
buy some. Um, how about in city? Tell us about July. Yeah, let's get on to July. All right.
28:08
Yeah, July was a big month. very big month for Apple. Jeff Williams stepped down as Apple COO. It was goodbye,
28:15
bye-bye Jeff. Of course, he was um considered next in the line as the Apple CEO and he was ready to take the reigns in case of emergency. Uh Williams
28:21
resignation prompted a lot of speculation. Some predicted that uh the current SVP, senior vice president of
28:27
hardware engineering, John Turnis or new COO, Sabi Khn, would step up to take the
28:32
reigns when Tim Cook retires. Uh but uh I actually had a different sort of left
28:38
field idea that um perhaps someone else might take Apple's top slot. Uh you know
28:44
I think you know maybe it could possibly be true. Um and this would be uh Dedro Brian who's been one of uh Tim Cook's
28:51
longtime lieutenants. Uh very much in the background no public profile at all. Uh but if you look at I mean every time
28:57
they travel somewhere it's always Dearre's there um along with um a couple
29:03
of other uh often you see um uh uh uh Greg Jarziaak picture but uh anyway so
29:10
the iPhone 17 lineup started to come into clear view with details coming out every week. Uh there was a lot of rumors
29:16
about design colors, cameras, spy shots, more colors, a lot of stuff in the rumor mill. Uh and in fact it kind of you like
29:23
didn't we around this time we kind of sort of knew every single thing about the the phones. Yeah. Yeah. That's when we got a new
29:29
tidbit basically every single week. Right. Uh and during iOS 26 tumultus beta
29:36
process Apple waffed exactly how liquidy how glassy liquid glass would be. Uh
29:41
that was a lot of switching back and forth. Um yeah July COO Jeff Williams. I
29:47
know he's I don't know. Would he have made a good CEO of Apple? He probably would have been more of the same. He seems like very much cut from
29:53
the same piece of cloth as Tim Cook. Yeah, very very uh steady um reliable um
30:00
character. August. Well, uh blood oxygen testing returned to Apple Watch uh the ones that
30:07
had you know lost it due to this patent dispute. Um
30:12
Apple did it by by a workaround uh where you use the sensor data on the watch but
30:17
process it and display it on the phone. Somehow this apparently passed legal legal muster and uh only took him what
30:23
how how long did that take to figure that out? Uh year and eight months. Oh, gone for quite a while. Uh anyway, so uh
30:31
one of the marquee features of the uh Apple Watch is restored sort of. Uh I
30:36
never went without it and I also don't use it very often, but uh anyway, meanwhile uh rumors have been
30:43
circulating about the Apple Watch Series 11. uh marquee features like hypertension monitoring, 5G cellular
30:50
connectivity and a faster processor. Whoa, that's a shocker. All leaked well in advance. And uh you don't usually get
30:56
that many rumors about the Apple Watch for whatever reason, smaller team, etc., etc., but uh there wasn't that much to I
31:04
mean I honestly when I heard the hypertension rumors, I like they're not going to get that together. But uh
31:09
apparently they did. And uh I was talking with Leander about this yesterday. I've had a series of unfortunate visits with a uh medical
31:16
institution and uh I I went in there a couple of weeks ago and you know my blood pressure
31:23
was off the charts and I'm like oh god the Apple Watch failed me cuz you had it turned on didn't you hypertension monitor?
31:28
Yeah I had and and yesterday I had to go back for a secondary checkup you know to see if I actually confirmed have high
31:34
blood pressure and I and Leander and I were talking about it and he said are you sure you have this hypertension things working out? Because I said the
31:40
Apple Watch hasn't told me a thing. And I went in and I looked. Sure enough, hypertension alerts on date, last data
31:45
collated, you know, December 7th or something like that. But I went to the doctor and you know
31:50
what? No high blood pressure. Oh, Apple Watch was right. Happy surprise.
31:55
Christmas miracle. Yeah, I know. Good for you. Good for you. That's very rare, isn't it? How do
32:00
you go to the doctor and you get some good news? I know. Very unusual, but you got a second opinion on your wrist.
32:06
Turned out to be correct. Yeah. I mean, I was ready to go, man. the the the hypertension on the Apple Watch is useless.
32:12
No, it's perfect. I love it. That looks right. I mean, Apple was ky about when they announced it like, you
32:19
know, we think it'll catch this many cases, but the number they said was lower than the actual number that are diagnosed every year. But, uh, sounds
32:27
worked in your favor. I mean, you know, this all these things, you know, the if they get the blood sugar monitor, if they could get that to
32:33
work, that would be amazing. if they could get the uh if the hypertension thing actually pans out and really does
32:40
flag people who have zero idea that they have high blood pressure, but in fact they do. I mean, that's the kind of
32:45
stuff that is super helpful because, you know, I mean, especially men. I mean, we don't like to go to the doctor, do we? I
32:50
hate going to the doctor. You know, you're never sick if you don't go to the doctor. I only went to the doctor because I had
32:56
like an eye infection and then I, you know, get all this, you know, cascading series of bad test results. It's like,
33:02
"Oh my god, I don't like going to the doctor because I don't have health insurance and I don't want to spend $12,000 to be told
33:07
nothing is wrong." So, well, you're so young. Young young and healthy. Young and healthy.
33:13
Yeah. Well, I got a I had a couple of drinks the other night and then in the morning my the vitals uh app on my watch
33:20
said um your heart rate and breathing was elevated. It was kind of off the charts. In fact, I was like really alarming uh
33:27
just from a couple of couple of drinks that I had. Uh, but I I love that vitals
33:32
thing cuz when I got um earlier in the year, it told me a couple of days ahead of me getting sick. I thought this is
33:38
kind of this is really miraculous technology. This is really really strange stuff. You know, this this knows before I do about my own physiological
33:45
processes. Yeah, I've had that same experience. And it's super helpful in that you can say,
33:51
"Oh, wow. So, maybe I should take it super easy today. go to bed early, get
33:56
as much sleep as possible, you know, take a bunch of vitamin C, whatever it is that makes you, you know, more
34:02
healthy or whatever. Maybe you can tamp down the the oncoming cold, get ahead of it.
34:08
Yeah. You know, because a lot of times you you kind of like might feel that you're like, I don't know, I kind of feel like
34:14
I'm getting sick, but you know, it could just be that I slept funny or something, right? If if you actually have like a
34:20
piece of hardware telling you no, pay attention to this, I I think that's helpful, too.
34:25
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, definitely this is it's it's the Apple Watch's promise that it's it's it's uh you know what's that
34:32
Star Trek thing that um the triquarter? Okay. Yeah. Well, is that the one that monitors your health?
34:38
Oh, um that's that's the all-purpose scanner that span scans everything, right? I
34:43
mean, yeah, Dr. McCoy has like a medical thing. I don't know if that one has a name or not.
34:49
Yeah. Well, you know, the fact that this thing might save your life, I think, is starting to
34:54
come is starting to become more and more true. And uh in fact, I we bought um
35:00
several Apple watches for presents this Christmas for people. Um it's definitely becoming the top
35:07
uh gift Apple gift some because it's still affordable. It's actually a pretty it's in that kind of price range.
35:12
There's a pretty good sort of gift price. Yeah, the SE is good this year. The SE3.
35:17
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We got a new one for my uh father-in-law who's who's been wearing his uh I got him an SE like
35:23
three or four years ago, so it's kind of getting a bit along in the tooth, so we got him a new one. He was delighted with it. Yeah. Very happy with it. He wears
35:29
his all the time. Use it all the time for all sorts of stuff. Um they're very And my mom too, uh my mom loves her
35:36
Apple Watch. We I just put the Mickey Mouse face on for her. We went to the Mickey Mouse Museum. I'm sorry, the Walt
35:41
Disney Museum here in San Francisco the other day. We put we changed our watch faces to Mickey Mouse. And then I
35:46
discovered something that was really that I didn't know about. If you press the watch face, it'll it'll tell you the time in Mickey Mouse's little squeaky voice, which
35:53
really Yeah, it's pretty fun. I got a huge kick out of it. Hi, Lander. It's 2 o'clock,
36:00
right? And that's a that's a big recommendation, too. I love that museum.
36:06
Like, I'm not a big fan of Disney at all. And um Walt Disney I think is is was he himself was problematic in in in
36:13
many ways but the Walt Disney Museum here in San Francisco I thought it was a real treat. I really enjoyed it. Uh really fascinating to see uh the history
36:19
of the of the company and told and they have amazing number of artifacts. Uh and
36:24
it sort of explains it you know it's like reading a good book like a about how the whole thing unfolded but you can
36:30
get through it in two or three hours. Highly recommend it if anyone ever visits San Francisco. Uh I think that
36:35
should be something that should be on you. And it's got a beautiful view of uh the Golden Gate Bridge. Unbelievable view uh out the back window and it's in
36:41
the Prescidio which is absolutely beautiful park. So highly recommended. So what month are we on now? We in
36:47
September or um Oh yeah, here we go. Apple's a dropping event was a big one. We all came away impressed even if we
36:53
weren't surprised. AirPods Pro 3 delivered twice the active noise cancellation as their predecessors along
36:59
with live translation and a new heart rate sensor. Apple Watch Series 11, SE3,
37:04
and Ultra 3 all brought solid bumps. iPhone 17 debuted as Apple's best entry
37:10
level model ever. The iPhone Air was stunning and slim and still offered surprisingly uncompromised battery life,
37:16
but it faced tough competition from the iPhone 17 Pro, the most unapologetically pro phone yet. Apple also showed off a
37:24
wide range of accessories, including a battery pack and bumper case for the Air, a cross body strap, a variety of
37:30
cases, including a new tech woven model, a real improvement over the despised fine woven cases of the recent past.
37:37
Reflections upon that event, very very solid lineup. I mean, clearly I think the best iPhone series
37:46
ever, right? Is that Yeah. Do you think that's the strongest lineup of offerings,
37:51
especially since they doubled the storage prices to 256 GB? Like you can you can confidently like recommend
37:57
people to just buy the base models now. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No compromises at all. And the Pro models
38:03
are too pro. I mean, they're kind of two pro really. Yeah. Uh always got them for the cameras, the
38:09
better cameras, but uh I mean a whole bunch of features I never use ever. Do you regret getting the Pro model? No,
38:15
I don't regret it. But um I think I would have been quite happy with the regular with the regular one for the first year. I think
38:21
that I I think I would have been quite happy with it. I I mainly almost every
38:26
year I buy the iPhone for depending on the needs of the cult of Mac website or what we need to review.
38:32
So I don't often base it on my own personal preferences. It's like, "Oh, we're going
38:38
to need to someone's going to need to review the iPhone Pro model." Or, so that's why I ended up getting it because
38:43
there was a gap in our review in our in the roster of models that we were going to review. No, I definitely would have
38:49
bought the regular iPhone 17 this year. Probably the larger screen one uh uh to
38:54
uh I mean, I probably would have just got that. Yeah. Instead of getting the Pro. I I upgraded for the same reason. My
39:00
iPhone 12 Pro is still perfectly service serviceable. But, you know, my job is to write all these how-to articles and I
39:07
there were so many that I couldn't write because it was getting too old and especially with Apple intelligence around the corner, I felt like I had to
39:12
upgrade last year. But, I I don't feel bad not skipping out this year. I,
39:18
you know, good phones, but um if you have an iPhone 16 Pro, I don't I don't feel any sadness. How about you, Lewis?
39:26
I I love the iPhone 17 Pro. like Leander, I don't use it as pro as I
39:32
should, but uh my only lingering question is should I have gotten the Air? Because I still every time I think
39:40
about the Air, it's like I don't know. Pretty awesome. Pretty awesome looking
39:45
device. Feels pretty amazing in your hand. How often have you touched one? Have you been to a store?
39:50
Yeah, that's all. And you know, it's it's always like connected to the Yeah. Which ruins it, doesn't it? Yeah,
39:58
a little bit. I wanted to balance it on my one finger, but see if it took off. See if it floats.
40:04
Slowly float off. Yeah, it is. I've seen a lot of people a lot of people who got the Air I've seen, you
40:09
know, on social media people saying they they love the Air. They really like it. They really happy with their purchase. I Yeah, the Air would have been a good
40:15
choice. I I don't recall ever seeing anybody going, "Ah, no, this was just not the
40:22
right thing." And I took it back. I I everything I've seen has been positive that it's like,
40:28
wow, this is not the the battery is not nearly the problem I thought it was. I don't really miss the the camera. I
40:36
can't believe how amazingly light this thing is. It feels like the future. That's like
40:41
the common thing. This is the way that it's going to be. So, until next year,
40:48
then there'll be two of them welded together. Right. Well, uh, and I can report the fine
40:53
woven is actually quite fine. Um, this is You mean tech woven? Techwo. Yeah, sorry. Um, not a scratch
41:00
on it. And it's been I I have not been taken care of this at all. I dropped, In fact, I dropped the phone yesterday. I thought, "Oh my god, it's busted. It
41:06
went straight onto the concrete, but nope. It uh it survived it perfectly." And there's not a scratch on it. I mean,
41:12
like you It looks almost brand new. In fact, maybe I should resell it. Uh th those things feel rugged like a uh like
41:19
a Coleman cooler, you know, like a plastic Coleman cooler. They got that like you can you can you know if you try
41:25
you could scuff this if you dragged it across the pavement or something or scraped it up with a sharp key.
41:32
Yeah. Yeah. I actually did that on the inside. Did what on the inside?
41:37
Scratch. I wanted to do a test. I want to see does it scratch, you know, how does it hold up? But I didn't want to scratch it purposely on the outside.
41:44
Well, the inside's covered with like silky material, isn't it? No, it's it's the same material on the
41:50
inside. Oh, okay. Really? It doesn't have like a Usually they're like felt on the inside to
41:56
Yeah. You know, it's not where it contacts the phone. It's the same.
42:01
It's a slightly different hue. It's darker, but it's the same. And hold on, let me uh
42:08
match it up. Scissors. Scissors. Oh my god.
42:13
Wow. I mean, I just I don't know. You can't really see it. I mean, it does show a few
42:19
scratches, but it's not really that bad. And in fact, it kind of buffs out when I run my finger across it. I can still see
42:26
a little bit of scratch, but it's not it's not bad at all. Put that up to the microphone. It's ASMR
42:32
time. Is everyone all relaxed now?
42:38
This will be the first podcast Leander ever listened to after it was released.
42:43
Yeah, like not nar scratch on it. Of course, now I'm seeing the inside of the case looks like the side of our stove
42:52
where you get a little bits of particles, but uh yeah, that's really kind of impressive. Previous cases have
42:57
been completely destroyed by the by year's end and this one is holding up really really well. It's well worth the
43:02
Apple premium, the $60 or whatever it costs. It's a good case, great case.
43:07
The silicone case is holding up well, too. I mean, it did last year. I I remember last year I had one for better
43:14
part of probably half of a year and uh right toward the end it got a nick. Like I think the car keys finally nicked it.
43:21
But uh so far no problems whatsoever with that thing. The new ones do hold up much better than the old ones. Like 10 years ago the
43:28
silicone cases would last like a few months and then the silicone would start to peel and then once it gets like a a nick that's too big it just it's just
43:36
gone. It just it's just all gone within like another few weeks. like pulling them in out of your pocket. They'll turn your pocket inside out because they were
43:42
too sticky. Like they've the I was very impressed with the silicone case when I had it a few times this year.
43:48
I I actually saw somebody with a an orange Pro the other day. I think that's a first time I've seen one of those in
43:54
the wild except for mine. Oh, are are you regretting your color at all? Do you still like the orange? It's fine. I mean, you know,
44:01
it's fine. Exactly. I bet you haven't looked at it once. I'm looking at it right now.
44:07
Well, except for right now. Like I forgot what color my phone was and just I took it when I took it out of the
44:13
case. I'm like, "Oh, wow." Yeah, look. I got one of those silver ones, which is actually the best color this year,
44:19
except for the white part. I forgot about the white back, too. Yeah, I'm still not a giant fan of the
44:24
two-tone thing. And in fact, this this one that I saw, they had I you know, I
44:29
think probably an Apple silicone case, but the back was white. Oh, that must have been the clear case
44:35
or the Yeah, the clear. Sorry, I said kill. Yeah, sorry, I didn't mean silicone. Uh, yeah. And it looked, you know, very
44:41
dreamsicly. I don't know. It looked like a a frozen treat of some sort.
44:47
Orange and white. Interesting combo. The creamsicle phone. Yeah. October 15th, instead of an October
44:55
event, Apple dropped three spec bumps of its higher high-end products via press release. The 14-inch M5 MacBook Pro
45:02
bought a significant boost in GPU and AI performance to the entry-le model. The M5 iPad Pro came with more memory on
45:09
high-end models. Uh, great for taking a full advantage of iPad OS26 multitasking. And last, and definitely
45:17
least, the M5 Motion Pro pushed more pixels to its higher res displays and came with a more comfortable dual knit
45:24
band in the box. And actually thinking about that like that's the only thing I remember the dual knit band that was
45:31
that was the high that was definitely the hit product wasn't it that was the thing that people were talking about. I don't remember anyone talking about the
45:36
new M5 MacBook Pro that much uh nor the new iPad Pro except maybe Ed.
45:41
I I wonder if this is going to be a strategy that Apple does going forward splitting the MacBook Pro announcement
45:47
into two like having the entry level model in the fall and then the high-end models in the following spring. The
45:53
rumors for next year are also kind of similarly split. Like they say, "Oh yeah, the the entry-level M6 MacBook Pro
46:00
is going to remain the same, but the high-end M6 MacBook Pros are going to are the only ones that'll have the OLED
46:07
display and the touchscreen and the full new redesign. So it we we've gone through a few generations of the MacBook
46:13
Pros being in perfect sync. You know, no longer the weird lower-end model that
46:18
still had the touch bar or only two ports. um they they've been in sync for the last few years, but it feels like
46:23
they're going to be splitting up again through another another phase of that. And this is because uh the chips, right?
46:30
The chip development. Yeah, the chips. But also um coming up with a new hardware design always costs
46:37
a little bit more money and Tim Cook likes to recoup that, you know, millions of dollars they spend in R&D. And so,
46:44
you know, they he he likes to squeeze everything he can out of the out of a design for as long as he can. So on the
46:50
on the cheaper entry- level model, it'll stick with the old design until the new design becomes cheaper enough to
46:55
manufacture to to have them all in sync again. That seems to be the the way it goes.
47:01
And uh you reviewed the M5 Vision Vision Pro. I mean, what was your impression of that?
47:07
You know, I there are a few performance things you definitely noticed. I was I surprisingly couldn't really tell a
47:13
difference in display fidelity, but I could tell the M2 chip is a little it
47:20
isn't quite powerful enough. It's doing too much with all of the virtual reality stuff to do a lot of multitasking. like
47:28
you open up more than three Safari windows in Vision OS and all of the apps in the background start to go gray or
47:35
one of the windows starts to repeatedly refresh and crash or run out of memory or especially the widgets the widgets
47:41
that are new in Vision OS 26. They'll just stay unupdated in like their sort
47:46
of default state before they actually pull in new information. That was what I mo noticed most about the M5 version
47:52
over the M2 version. However, that's only really a problem for the people who
47:58
use the Vision Pro, how I use it as a computer, rather than I'm just going to watch spatial movies and spatial photos
48:04
and play spatial games. Um, honestly, the best thing that the M5 Vision Pro
48:09
has done is make the M2 Vision Pros affordable on eBay. You can pick them up
48:15
for right around $2,000 now, which is which is the price that a lot of people
48:20
said like, "Yeah, if it cost half as much, I would get one." Now, you can. You can get an M2 Vision Pro for like $2,200,
48:27
$2,100 around that price on eBay. So, go for it. And you didn't did you like the digital
48:32
knit band that much or because it of course it messed with your hair, right? So, it did the the upper strap sits right
48:38
where my the front of my hair poof is. So, I was I was not a fan of that. I I
48:44
really like and I still endorse the uh Anna Pro A2 head strap, which is a firm
48:50
plastic thing uh that sits sort of on your forehead, which is a little more solid and uh it's a little more
48:56
comfortable that way. So, I I was honestly a little happy when I went to my back to my M2 Vision Pro in that
49:02
regard. Cool, cool, cool. All right, Lewis, what happened in November? Wow. Actually, the biggest shock of the
49:08
year, Apple released something called the iPhone Pocket.
49:15
There's no rumors about that. We thought the German didn't get that one. Complete shocker out of left field. I honestly woke up, thought I was
49:22
dreaming, and it was April Fool's Day. Uh went and looked at the Apple newsroom. Sure enough, there's a press
49:27
release about this iPhone pocket, a brand new accessory, 3D knitted sling that holds your iPhone on your arm, your
49:34
shoulder, or you could, you know, tie it to your purse or whatever. Uh,
49:39
not unsurprisingly, uh, a lot of people found this to be humorous. There's a lot
49:45
of jokes, a lot of ridicule. Uh, especially because what did it list for? Likeund I think it was $179 for the
49:52
short one and $239 for the the long one. I mean, outrageously expensive. Made in in conjunction with I I can I know I'm
49:59
going to butcher the name. Eay Miyaki, uh, Japanese design firm that has, you know, some deep ties to Steve Jobs and
50:06
Apple. Uh, but, uh, weirdest iPhone holder ever, right? Weirdest. And,
50:15
uh, let's see what happened after sold out instantly.
50:21
Couldn't get it anywhere, could you? Neither have I love no money. couldn't make enough of them. Sold out instantly.
50:26
And now you can buy uh you know cheap ones, $4 knockoffs on uh you know, Teimu
50:32
and all these places. So if if you desperately want that look, uh it is available to you, just not the official
50:38
version. Tried searching it for it on the Apple Store and I'm not seeing it anywhere. I
50:43
found a link in the search results that said this page couldn't be found. So I wonder if it's gone. It said limited edition. I think they
50:49
were serious about it. Yeah, very limited. Crazy. I'm gonna check the Apple store.
50:55
Well, Griffin, what kind of Didn't you were going to drive to New York to get one? Weren't you thinking about doing that? Oh, God. I I I had a few different plans. I have
51:02
a few friends who live in New York, so I was thinking order one for pickup and then have somebody buy it and then mail it to me. Uh, but no, they were all gone
51:09
within hours. It wasn't a thing that I thought I would have to like wake up at 6:00 a.m. and order the minute that it
51:16
dropped, but uh apparently Yeah, you should have done. Mhm. I I was wrong. It's $150. only $150 for
51:22
the shorter one, $ 230 for the big one. Uh, also accompanied by, you know, the most pretentious press release I think
51:29
I've read in ages and ages and ages. We should, in fact, link that up to the show notes because it's a a
51:35
it's just a high high level of pretention. I'm really sad I didn't get one. I was I
51:40
was really looking forward to reviewing it, having a knockoff. I looked for the knockoffs on Amazon and there actually
51:45
weren't any that I But this is weeks ago. Um, I think you got to go to to uh
51:51
Teimu and um AliExpress and those kind of apps. It won't it won't be beautifully knit 3D
51:58
inspired by a piece of cloth. Yeah, that's right. It's inspired by a
52:03
piece of cloth. But actually, that actually does doesn't that actually make sense though? that
52:09
well that's like a a slogan or a you know whatever I don't know what you call it but of one of those Eay Miyaki brands
52:18
that it's that that didn't spring into life for the iPhone pocket that was an existing
52:24
uh term that they used inspired by a a piece of cloth
52:29
maybe there's a translation error I don't know
52:35
yeah and of course Eaki was famous for designing uh studio Jobs's uh iconic black turtlenecks of which I believe how
52:43
many did he buy? 100 or 150. He had he he got the idea that there was going to be the uh the uniform of Apple
52:50
employees in their next factory and so he bought I think like a 100 200 of them and then nobody wanted them so he just
52:56
kept them for himself. Was that the turtleneck or was that I thought they actually had a they had
53:02
come up with some kind of tunic or something, you know, like a like I don't
53:08
know. Well, he was inspired, I believe, by it must have been Sony. Yeah, he went to some Sony factories and my brother lived
53:14
in Japan for a long time and and um you know, these corporate uniforms are a big thing in uh in Japan, of course. But so
53:21
he uh he went to he taught I think a Sony factory and they were all wearing these nice uniforms. Uh, and of course
53:27
it gave Jobs love that kind of and all the machines were colorcoded and they
53:32
had um walkways through the factory that were all colorcoded. Uh, very very orderly. Not not um, you
53:39
know, everything was extremely orderly which which really appealed to Jobs. And yeah, like you said, he tried to sell
53:45
this on the team and they all rejected it. No one no one's going to wear some Apple uniform.
53:53
Let's see. Uh there's one other uh this is actually a big surprise too. A new
53:58
rumor indicated Max might soon come with Intel chips inside again but a twist of
54:05
course. This is Apple might turn to Intel's new fabrication business to make its M series chips starting in 2027. Not
54:13
not solely relying on Intel but you know using them as like a a secondary source
54:18
of chips. So we stand corrected, don't we? Yeah. Here, here's a good example of some onshuring.
54:23
I I think I think the the world has just realized that it would be a bad thing for there only to be one company in the
54:29
world that's good at manufacturing leading edge chips. There should probably be multiple fabrication
54:35
TSMC. But but this, you know, that that was what occur, you know, at the time that's what occurred. It's like, how come Apple didn't do this before? This
54:42
seems kind of crazy. I mean, there how many companies have cutting edge foundaries? I guess TMC is the leading
54:48
one, but Samsung has some pretty good foundaries, too, doesn't it? I don't know if they're what process they're on, but um and Intel, where's Intel in the
54:57
race now? I mean, are they on that 3 nanometer process yet? I think that's what they're building
55:02
out. They they're they're getting this investment from Apple to build out a manufacturing process to be able to make
55:08
them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I'm kind of, you know, Intel's such a great iconic
55:13
American company. I'm glad it's a tragedy that they they got so far behind. I actually like to see them
55:19
succeed. I'm all for Intel. I'm on team Intel.
55:24
December 1st, Apple replaced its AI chief John Gian Andrea and tapped an exgoogler to fix Apple intelligence.
55:31
Gian Andrea, who led the underwhelming Apple intelligence efforts, left the company. In his place, Apple hired
55:37
Amomar Subramana, who spent many years at Google and many days at Microsoft.
55:45
I chuckled at that one. December 3rd, Apple design chief Alan Dy unexpectedly quit and went to work for
55:51
Meta. Some said good riddance. Despite coming as a complete shock, fans and Apple employees alike relished the news,
55:58
especially when Apple put longtime employee Steven Lame in charge of us user interface design.
56:04
December 4th, Apple announced two more high-profile executives would would
56:10
retire. Lisa Jackson, the vice president of environment policy and social initiatives, and Kate Adams, Apple's
56:17
general counsel, plan to depart in 2026. Well, nothing more than scheduled
56:22
retirements. The timing certainly made the announcements look suspicious.
56:28
December 8th, that weekend, Bloomberg reported that Apple chief chip chief,
56:33
that's a hard thing to say, Apple chip chief Johnny, who wrote this, Johnny Suji was quote, seriously considering
56:40
leaving in the near future. The departure of Suji, who was instrumental in leading the development of Apple
56:45
silicon and the Mac's subsequent transition from Intel chips would be a big blow. Luckily, he quickly clarified
56:51
to his team that he doesn't quote plan on leaving anytime soon. So that was a
56:57
thrilling week. I I think one of those announcements came literally like an hour after we had ended a recording of
57:05
this very podcast. Steven Lame that you know very very hopeful about him. Uh been there since
57:11
1999 before OS 10 uh came out um and has
57:16
worked on everything. Like I saw a couple of uh it's very difficult to to know what he's worked on. Obviously, you
57:22
know, Apple doesn't talk about it and Tim Cook put out a statement saying that he'd had a hand in every major uh
57:28
software release they'd ever done, which which you know, and I think that's it's everything from the Mac, iPad,
57:36
iPhone. He was on the iPhone original iPhone development team, one of the core team members there, very very small
57:41
team. He was one of the core contributors to that. Uh Apple Watch, iPod, I mean, you name it, he's he's had
57:48
his hand in everything. So, it's a really good sign. um you know human interface expert par excellence probably
57:55
one of the leading in the whole world and there he is sitting at Apple they promoted him um of course managing is
58:02
very difficult different to and and it's a miserable job you know like I always whenever I got promoted I my I always
58:08
thought my managers are stupid and I do a better job then when I then when I got
58:13
the management job oh my god it was the worst thing that ever happened to me suddenly you everyone's problems are
58:19
your problem it's nothing but a headache. It's uh I look back on my career now and I think I was never
58:25
happier than when I was a reporter. Um no responsibilities, total freedom.
58:30
Of course, I didn't get paid anything. I was poor. That sucked. Um but yeah, it's
58:36
funny, isn't it? You know, you be careful what you wish for. Anyway, we'll see whether Stephen succeeds in a in a
58:42
management role, but good luck to him. Do you think we're going to see him at the next at WWDC?
58:49
Do you think they'll have a voice over or uh or appear on screen? Yeah, we'll see. Let's hope so.
58:56
Yeah, they I mean, it's funny how Apple pushes forward. There's been a rotating cast of characters, hasn't there, in
59:02
Apple's uh keynotes, and they've been putting up um there was I mean, it's
59:07
always been kind of It's funny. It's sort of different people every year, isn't it? Except for, you know, some of the main stays. Jeff Williams obviously
59:14
appeared all the time. Alan Dy kind of appeared all the time. uh Johnny Iva appeared all the time, but then they they pulled they pulled out some uh
59:21
lesserk known um people to appear. Uh
59:27
not Drew O'Brien, funny enough, but um that's what I like about the virtual ones. Like we're we're now seeing more
59:32
different people, the people who are directly working on these things like Cayenne Dance does the does the regular
59:37
iPhones every year. You know, we've seen Lisa Jackson on stage. She wouldn't I don't think she
59:43
had appeared in a video before or she had never appeared on stage but now we saw her on video. Well, there's super low risk now, right?
59:49
I mean, you got 100 takes. You can uh screw it up nine ways to Sunday and and still come up with something that looks
59:55
just fine. And you don't have to waste time like bringing somebody off stage, introducing somebody, waiting for them to come on
1:00:00
stage, waiting for everybody to stop clapping. I guess there's a big difference too as well. You know, Steve, before it was
1:00:05
just Steve Jobs, he was the only one who appeared on stage. I guess maybe Phil Schiller appeared a couple of times and they'd have some they bring on some
1:00:11
special guests like the Intel Andy Grove or whatever the Intel CEO or some of the key partners but yeah now it's a lot
1:00:17
more um obviously Jon Ruji you know he appeared in that weird that basement didn't he uh many many times he he is
1:00:25
definitely a key key hire you know like a ma massive impact brought on um was he
1:00:32
recruited from IBM it's this AI who says that before joining Apple in 2008. Johnny Shuji held
1:00:39
senior positions in processor development and design at Intel and IBM. At IBM, he worked in Hifa from 1940 to
1:00:47
1992 and later returned as director for the Power 7 processor. And then he worked at uh Intel's Israel Design
1:00:54
Center in 93, later relocating to Austin, Texas. So there you go. IBM Intel.
1:01:02
I wonder if that's true. Could be true. looks like heated.
1:01:11
And well, Lisa Jackson, I mean, she's had a massive impact there, too. I think one that people haven't it doesn't get
1:01:18
talked about so much because of Apple's green efforts for some reason. I don't know.
1:01:23
It doesn't It doesn't seem to like float people's boats, but I think it's because it's boring.
1:01:30
That might have something to do with it. We we built some more uh solar farms and
1:01:36
now we're up to 98% of our energy for our although I think they say all their stores are like 100% energy efficient,
1:01:43
right? Or not energy. That was quite a few years ago. Yeah, they went 100 like corporate they went 100% uh green
1:01:50
and and when was this? I can't even remember what their 2030 goal is. It's well that was everything the whole all
1:01:55
the supply chain down to all of their products that they produce as well being carbon neutral.
1:02:01
Yeah, that's why she quit. They're not going to make it. Well, they actually had to do a kind of an embarrassing U-turn this year, didn't
1:02:07
they? Because they claimed that the Apple one of the Apple watches, maybe the SE and the Mac Mini as well, I think uh
1:02:14
because they include uh purchasing carbon credits as what makes them carbon
1:02:19
neutral and that's kind of a dodgy business. Apple says they're doing it the right way, but I think some European
1:02:26
regulators say no, you can't claim that if it's dependent on these carbon credits. So, well, Apple's been running its uh has
1:02:32
has its own forests, doesn't it, for for to source its uh um paper products. I
1:02:37
saw a fascinating actually a really fascinating um thread yesterday from uh an imaging
1:02:44
company. They work with iFix it to uh do X-ray all of the new products. Mhm.
1:02:50
So they do a, you know, a an X-ray tear down by and they did this with Apple's
1:02:57
packaging with the paper products and they could see how they were built up. And I think up until fairly recently,
1:03:04
maybe even this year or late last year, they were still using some plastic in the boxes, but then now this year it's
1:03:11
all paper. And the paper engineering in these things is insane. Um, and they
1:03:17
even had, you know, like the when you get a in the AirPods box, the spare
1:03:22
tips, small, medium, and large, or whatever the sizes are, the smaller ones um
1:03:30
might tend to pop out. So, on the lid of that little packaging, they have a they
1:03:36
come packaged in their own little small box. The lid is actually um contoured so
1:03:43
it has a bump over the smaller ones to keep them firmly in place. I was like,
1:03:48
"Oh my god, who the crazy?" Yeah. Who thinks of these things? And then the the uh the bumps too are very
1:03:54
carefully engineered in paper. Um it's they're made apparently like eggshell boxes. Yeah.
1:04:01
Wow. So Oh, yeah. It is. Yeah. There's a little There's the bump. Isn't that crazy?
1:04:07
Mhm. Uh, and that's built up of layers and layers of of um paper. So, it's made of
1:04:13
several layers apparently which you can which are revealed when you X-ray them.
1:04:18
And they apparently they make them like eggshell boxes which is made from some kind of fiber slurry that uh is put into
1:04:24
an in an injection mold and then when it dries uh it's it goes solid.
1:04:31
So, yeah, I was kind of fascinated by all that. the the packaging stuff is amazing because um and I used to keep
1:04:37
boxes like I just clear I was just going to say I was just going to say it's so good you can't throw them away. I know it was heartbreaking. I was like,
1:04:43
"Oh my god, this here goes my um my kids's inheritance right here." You know, all these heirlooms throw in the
1:04:49
trash. But you eventually have to get rid of them, you know, cuz I at my old office, I've been in the old office for about 10 years, and I had like a almost
1:04:55
a dumpsters full of uh of boxes, and it was was totally heartbreaking to to
1:05:00
chuck them out, but I finally had to get say goodbye to them. Uh but anyway, moving to a fully it was
1:05:07
it's kind of I know that she has Lisa Jackson. I interviewed her several years ago for the book I did about Tim Cook
1:05:12
and this was one of their goals was to move to um you know fully recyclable packaging and something that had eluded
1:05:19
them for I guess you know like or they've been working on and finally have realized this last year for for a good
1:05:24
decade or more which um you know and I think it's worthy. I think it's very
1:05:29
very worthy like in fact it was getting to the point where I was starting to get irritated with the packaging you know all the plastic um the fact that they
1:05:37
weren't you know easily recyclable. I I kind of like simple. I I'd rather get it in a plain box that
1:05:44
could be easily recycled. No, no, you wouldn't. I kind of would, actually. Well, I say
1:05:49
that, but I I always feel terrible when I just order something and it comes with this giant hideous plastic monstrosity. I
1:05:56
think like a machine had to make this just to transport this like thing that could
1:06:01
just as easily be in paper and now I have to throw it away. Yeah, I I think about that all the time whenever I open up a product, but
1:06:08
yeah, it bothers me. It bothers me. Doesn't bother you, Louis. Uh I really appreciate opening a a
1:06:15
finely crafted product. Uh you know, it's nice to have packaging that doesn't feel crappy.
1:06:22
Well, I know for a fact, you know, that when you slide the boxes open, it's it's
1:06:28
so precisely engineered. They they want it so that if you hold it, it will almost like a pneumatic
1:06:34
uh mechanism, you know, it'll slowly slide out and and it almost does perfectly, doesn't it? Every time. And I know that um you know, they crafted uh
1:06:40
Johnny IV and Steve Jobs used to talk about packaging as theater and also to introduce the product. I mean, they
1:06:46
spent uh the first iMac um oh sorry, the first Macintosh, they this is when they they they they started this process to
1:06:53
um familiarize people with unfamiliar components. It was very carefully put
1:06:59
together in the box so that you would take it out piece by piece and it reduces the key the mouse and then the
1:07:05
keyboard and then the machine itself and so on and so forth you know and and they've taken that philosophy um
1:07:12
used it ever since then you know that the packaging tells the story of the product and it's a very important way of introducing it to the consumers and they
1:07:18
they spent as much time on the package well not as much time but they spent they spent a lot of time I know on Johnny I's design studio on the
1:07:25
packaging as they did the product you know it was so important to them. And I think it's important for Apple to
1:07:30
say we are the biggest company in the world. We make the most we sell billion literally billions of these things and
1:07:38
we can do it right. We're selling this many products and we can do it sustainably. Why can't you, you know?
1:07:45
Yeah. I they're bringing along, you know, like this is why the the the green stuff is so important because it's it's
1:07:51
um it it's bring all these other industries along too. all these other all these other players once they start to switch to green then you know the
1:07:57
whole the entire sector will like uh they were talking about I talked to greenpiece uh a couple of years ago
1:08:02
about data centers and um and using green um techn uh renewable energy
1:08:09
sources like Duke Energy I think is one of the big um suppliers on the east coast and Apple is Facebook I think is
1:08:15
also a big player in this and also Google they were insisting that they wanted green sources from the utility
1:08:22
suppliers which forced utility companies to fi to invest in renewable energy sources. So you can see how that trickle
1:08:28
on effect works, you know, and and this the guy from Greenpeace that I talked to said this is actually really kind of remarkable, you know, that these
1:08:34
companies by taking these leadership positions were forcing the utilities to
1:08:40
um adopt these policies which which they wouldn't they would have just like they would have been quite happy running on coal and gas uh unless their customers
1:08:47
had insisted on getting green sources. So, uh, you know, I think it's I think it was good work and and I think she's
1:08:53
had a great career. Good luck to Lisa. So, as a quick closing segment, we have
1:08:59
in front of us a list of everything Apple announced in the calendar year
1:09:04
2025. We're going to do a quick little game. We're running a little long, but how about we'll each go around the horn
1:09:11
and pick our absolute favorite thing and least favorite thing of the year. favorite thing and biggest
1:09:17
disappointment. So, we'll go Leander, then Lewis, then myself. Uh, well, I'm gonna need about 20
1:09:23
minutes to read this list. Okay. They did announce a surprising number of things. Lewis, why don't you
1:09:30
go first then? Well, I I mean, if I had This is weird.
1:09:36
If I had to say favorite, I would probably say uh AirPods Pro 3, even
1:09:42
though I don't own them. You sniped me. I mean, uh, you know, because AirPods
1:09:47
Pro 2 are awesome, and by all accounts, they're even better unless you get, you know, the situation
1:09:53
where you're on an airplane and they make a shrieking noise that makes you want to lose your mind. Um, the only one that I've had any
1:09:59
experience with that I was, you know, iPhone 17 Pro, pretty great. How do you,
1:10:05
it's impossible not to uh not to say how great it is. So, h
1:10:12
I guess I would go with the AirPods Pro 3 because I feel like they are even better even though I don't
1:10:18
have them. And then, uh, biggest disappointment, I don't They have the iPhone Pocket is on
1:10:24
there, but I think the biggest appointment has to be CarPlay Ultra because, uh, where is it? When is it?
1:10:30
Is it ever going to happen? It feels like CarPlay is being uh on the Aston Martin whatever DB. Yeah,
1:10:36
it's like some some one one kind of car that I'll never even see on the road. Um,
1:10:42
so I'd say that's the biggest uh the biggest fail even even even given the
1:10:47
iPhone Pocket because the iPhone Pocket was an unmititigated success. Mhm.
1:10:55
All right. Um, my choice, I guess, because Lois snagged what I would have chosen, which would have been the iPhone
1:11:00
17 Pro. This probably had the biggest impact on my years. Oh, no, no, he he went with AirPods Pro 3. Okay. All right. Well, I'll take
1:11:06
iPhone 17 Pro then. Although, um, the Apple Watch Ultra would have been a
1:11:12
close second. It's so much like the two. That's not true. It It has It has
1:11:17
several extra pixels on the top and bottom and sides. I compared the both and I did I truly
1:11:23
did love the uh Apple Watch Ultra 3 in the black. Even my wife liked it. She's
1:11:28
like, "Oh, that really looks good." You know, she she's never been a fan of the uh what is it called? just raw titanium
1:11:35
look. And uh it it hurt me a little bit taking the Apple Watch Ultra 3 back. But I had I had to return it cuz it's like I
1:11:41
can't I can't justify $800 because it looks better. You know, the color looks
1:11:46
better. Every time I in the Apple store and I want a good laugh, I put a Apple Watch Ultra on my wrist and just see how
1:11:52
comically gigantic it You you got to start working out a little bit, you know, and then it'll uh it'll look a little It does look funny on little
1:11:58
spindly arms, but uh you know, you got I've got an Ultra 2 here and uh it's a
1:12:05
fabulous thing. I you know, this is I love this uh this watch. I love you. Do you have a least favorite thing of the
1:12:11
uh the year? Well, that's a that's a tough one, you know, like I don't know. Uh I was looking at all the different
1:12:18
software they put out this year. iOS 26. I mean, I quite like it. I like iPad OS 26. So, I think the the multitasking
1:12:24
stuff is really pretty good, even though I don't use it as a word computer. Um, and I've only really used it a
1:12:30
couple of times. And in fact, actually, mostly it gets on my nerves when I when I actually hit the top bar instead of
1:12:36
hitting the back button and then Safari shrinks and goes into a little window. Um, we should ask Ed about that because
1:12:42
Ed uses his iPad Pro as his main machine. Yeah. I don't know. It's hard to choose
1:12:48
something that Oh, cross body strap. that that's something I don't think I
1:12:53
will ever use. Although I used to when I had cameras when I used to carry a DSLR DSLR
1:12:59
around, I bought one of those um something very similar to a cross body strap to strap the camera
1:13:06
to myself uh instead of the regular round the neck one. Um so I mean maybe
1:13:12
I'm being a bit dismissive. Maybe I should I should try it out before I dismiss it. But it's hard to choose here. There's I mean a lot of this stuff
1:13:18
has been is actually you know I don't know. There's not there doesn't seem to be a a lemon amongst them.
1:13:24
Oh, I think I know what Griffin's lemon's going to be. Uh, my favorite.
1:13:30
I'm going to put myself down because Lewis stole my AirPods Pro 3, which I actually do use every day. Uh, and have
1:13:36
been excellent and gamechanging in my life, but I can't pick that. So, I'm going to go the iPhone Air. It's an
1:13:41
excellent It was an excellent phone. I liked my time with it. Beautiful. I I still think about it. Like, holding it
1:13:46
is one thing. Yeah, the Apple Store experience isn't quite as good because you have the cable like pulling on it if
1:13:52
you pick it up, so you can't really appreciate how light it is. Um, honestly, it the more time you spend
1:13:59
with it, the more time you'll appreciate how thin it is, not just after like the first shock. I mean, the the the real
1:14:05
shocker comes when you pick up your regular iPhone afterwards or somebody else's phone. You're like, "Oh my god,
1:14:11
this is this feels like I'm holding an iPod, like an original, like it's so thick. It's insane." or you know going
1:14:18
back to like a PowerBook G3 after spending a week with a MacBook Air. Like
1:14:24
that's the difference it feels. Um I I if I were to have upgraded this
1:14:29
year, I probably would have gone for the iPhone Air. I think it's gorgeous. You know, again, it has it has a lot of the
1:14:35
same great looks as the iPhone 16, but it's not compromised really in any meaningful way. It it's great. Um, uh,
1:14:44
least biggest disappointment of the year, the iPhone Air bumper case.
1:14:50
It somehow fails at everything it's trying to do. It makes the iPhone Air feel thick because it takes away its
1:14:56
beautiful thin edges and makes it feel just like a regular phone. It doesn't protect the phone because the plateau
1:15:03
sticks out through the top. So, it would still shatter if you dropped it in the right way. uh worse at pretty much
1:15:11
everything that it tries to do. Interesting pick. That's not what I had uh figured you would
1:15:17
Yeah, me neither. I thought you were gonna say the iPhone 16A. I thought you were going to drop a dime on Mac OS 26.
1:15:23
Yeah. Um I'm not happy with that either. I still haven't upgraded. I'm terrified
1:15:30
after all the things I've heard. Please don't. I'm still encountering new bugs. It's It's not great over here.
1:15:36
Okay. Well, I guess I guess that about wraps it up. Um, that's all the cult we
1:15:42
have for you ever. Jeez.
1:15:48
It's Sayanara the cult. Uh, but we got a new show. That's the good news. It's called the Cult of Mac Show. Podcast.
1:15:54
Cult of Mac the podcast. We haven't actually decided yet how we don't know what it's called.
1:16:00
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1:16:08
that's not the name of our site. This is the That was the biggest mistake we ever made with calling it the Colt Cast. We called it the Colt Cast. We
1:16:14
said Colt Cast. So, we're not making that mistake again. Uh anyway, search for it in your podcast app or click the
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it'll be easy to find. We're still going to release new episodes every Thursday, uh both as an audio podcast and as a
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video on the Cult of Mic YouTube channel. We're going to release the next episode on the cult cult feed too so you
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can find it. But in the future episodes will be uh we'll start posting just to the cult of mag feed. Uh if you want
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a great rest of the year. Bye. Goodbye.
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Okay, what a great way to end the show.