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This week: #Sora is number one on the App Store, OpenAI’s #iPhone killer has a steep uphill battle and the #iPad gets a great old feature back — and better than before. Also: How to set up call screening, a recent Mac switcher setup, and Apple’s spotty relationship with enterprise products.
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
2:24 Sora 2
15:13 OpenAI’s iPhone killer
27:52 iOS 26.1 beta 2
34:26 Factor
36:13 Call Screening
42:46 Setup of the Week
51:31 Listener Question
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0:02
Hello and welcome to the Coldcast, the best hourong Apple conversation you're going to hear all week long. I'm Lea
0:08
Kaney. I'm your host today and we have joining us Griffin Jones from Ohio. Hello Griffin.
0:13
Good evening. Uh despite my best efforts, we have a lot of AI topics to talk about at the top of the show. So
0:20
skip those chapters if you really want. Okay. Right. That's the way to start the show. Skip the show. Just go right to
0:26
the end. Yeah. I mean, get get to the good stuff. iOS 26.1 beta 2. Yeah, but don't forget to listen to the
0:31
ad in the middle though. So, all right. And let's have Louis Wallace. Hello.
0:36
Hey, how's it going? All right. Not too bad. How hot and sweaty are you? It's uh still quite humid in San
0:43
Francisco. What is it? It's 60. It's only 64 degrees, but it feels like it's 75.
0:49
I know. I'm cooking here in this little tiny uh cubicle I'm in. Um
0:55
but uh yeah. So, we have a great show today. We have, you know, despite what Griffin says. In fact, Griffin, what are you talking about? We've got some great
1:00
stuff to talk about. In fact, one of the the most interesting topics is is is the AI stuff. I mean, it's actually fascinating. The new Sora app, which I
1:07
think is, you know, like it's at once fascinating, but also
1:12
terrifying. I think the implications for it are like completely, you know, they definitely the these are societal
1:18
changing uh technology. This is this is, you know, it's not just like some stupid
1:24
dumb app. I think this is going to have serious serious implications for for for the for the entire you know history of
1:30
mankind. I don't I think this is like impactful stuff. Very very impactful.
1:36
Anyway, we're going to be we'll have some deeply insightful things to talk about that I'm sure later on.
1:41
Insights are just deep deep deep deep. Oh yeah, we're gonna we're gonna blow
1:46
the lid off it. Uh what else we got we talk about? Um oh yeah, the other one is AI Open AI's iPhone killer. That's also
1:53
fascinating. Actually, there's some pretty funny stuff in there as well. So, we we'll have a good laugh at that. Uh oh, how to set up call screening. Super
2:01
important. Like, it's actually finally gotten good uh on the iPhone. You know, they've some new tools in iOS 26 uh to
2:07
help you screen calls and spam calls, and it's actually it's actually really good these days, but you know, there's a little bit of finesse and how to set the
2:14
thing up. So, Griffin's going to walk us through that. Uh, oh, and then there's um a reader question which we have no
2:20
idea to answer, but we'll uh we'll talk about when it comes. Let's talk about well, let's talk about Sora. You know,
2:26
Lewis, let's you know, uh why don't you give us a walk through about Sora and what's going on with Sora? Yeah, so this this arrived in the app
2:32
store what uh a little over a week ago. Sorted right to number one spot on the
2:38
downloads. Uh, it's I guess it's version two, sort of two, OpenAI's next generation video and audio generation
2:44
model that lets users create short videos from text or images. Uh, and oh
2:51
my god, have you seen some of these videos? It's a crazy absolutely crazy.
2:56
The first one I saw it it looked real. They do look real. That's what's that's what's so amazing and so terrifying,
3:03
right? Yeah. I've seen some stuff. It's like, wow. How in the world is anybody ever going to know anything is real ever
3:10
again? Well, that that's the point. That's exactly the thing, isn't it? You can't you will not be able to trust anything you see ever again. Ever.
3:16
Not the least bit terrifying. Uh let's see. Uh interface is a lot like Tik Tok.
3:21
So, you can scroll through video after video. And that's it's all that's all this app is. Social media that's nothing but AI videos. Uh luckily for uh all of
3:30
our Apple people, it's an iPhone exclusive just like Instagram was back in the day. So, it's going to be super
3:36
popular. Sorry, you Android people. Uh, it's it's really astonishing, but you
3:41
basically say just say something like, you know, I want a picture of a cat ice skating or a dog visiting a space
3:48
station. Next thing you know, boom, there it is. And it's fast and it's uh just the results are astonishing. I
3:54
mean, it it's it's crazy. I one of the posts I saw was something like oh remember how you know a year and a half
4:00
ago this video of I can't remember what it was was like oh my god so oh it's Will Smith eating spaghetti or something
4:06
right like how how how amazing that was back then well I
4:11
mean that looks like some distorted hor horrible nightmare uh you look at like the stuff that's coming out now it's it
4:18
literally looks completely 100% real I don't know how in the world I mean they
4:23
put a watermark on there but of There's people have already come up with ways to get around the watermark. It's uh it's a
4:29
little it's supposed to have a digital I think they said actually in the file itself there has some kind of digital fingerprint that is harder to remove.
4:36
Ah well I mean I'm sure that most people looking at social media are going to dig
4:41
into the code and look for the Yeah. Right. Exactly. Oh my god. I I was amazed like uh a demo
4:49
I saw of some somebody that uh you know just here's how you you know remove the
4:54
Sora watermark which it kind of bounces around the screen right so it's you'd think it'd be hard to get rid of but
5:00
apparently no not hard at all so one thing I've read and I I got to say
5:05
uh this is one of the kind of depressing um aspects of this for people like hey
5:11
here's the greatest app in the world and it's like oh sorry uh yeah you can download the app but you you basically are just getting on a wait list cuz
5:17
right now it's invite only. By the way, if anybody has any invites, we'd love to have them cuz we can't wait to rot our
5:23
brains with AI. Uh, and so anyway, that was one of the
5:29
Well, I was reading, yeah, you know, you you have to be invited by another sor user. So, it's actually pretty easy to get into the system if you you know, as
5:35
long as you know somebody who's already in. Um, but people are sharing codes online on Reddit and stuff like that, so it's not too hard to get in.
5:41
Have you gotten one yet, though? I I have not. No, no, I but I haven't I haven't even uh but I you know I've been um uh looking at the video you know I've
5:48
just been seeing them on the ones have been posted to social media and the first one I saw was one by from I just right which uh which you know was like it took
5:56
me as I I didn't I didn't see the context for it. So, I was watching this and then there's a there's a you know sh she immediately pops up a twin of
6:02
herself and all of it is AI and I thought it was like just look at you know what what's going on here and then
6:07
of course it's all AI generated but you can't I I haven't seen I'm not an I just watcher but you know I've seen enough of
6:13
her videos to recognize her and it is amazing I mean she just uploaded a picture of herself a picture I believe and it created this avatar that is that
6:21
that looks and talks just like her and I was like this is just unbelievable and of course she's in all these kind of uh
6:27
these completely impossible situation. She's judo resting an elephant and and it is it's photorealistic. It looks like
6:34
it was actually felt like she actually really is resting an elephant. It's crazy stuff.
6:40
Um I was absolutely blown away by it. And of course, like you said, you just you can't trust anything you see anymore. I mean, who knows? I mean, uh
6:46
people have been uh there was a whole bunch of stuff with um uh you know, people uh like cell and and it can do
6:53
all kinds of different video too. So like you know, cell phone stuff, security cameras. It's absolutely I I've
6:58
s I've seen a lot of like uh you know supposedly police what are those things
7:03
called the the the cameras that the police wear body like there's tons of body you know
7:09
like Pikachu getting pulled over by the cops and crap like that right uh and one of the things you're we
7:16
didn't really actually describe this you're talking about how how you you create this I think they call them cameos right you create a cameo of
7:22
yourself and you can share that with other people or not you can choose to or
7:28
not. And at least when uh I Justine made that first video, she's like, "Oh, I'm sharing this with everyone. We'll see
7:33
what happens." Uh but it sounded like it was easier to set up the uh you know,
7:38
Cameo, which looks exactly like you, sounds exactly like you, everything else easier than setting up uh Face ID on an
7:45
iPhone. I mean, it it sound like literally you just like film yourself saying, what was this saying? Like
7:50
counting to 10 or something. It was it was something really like mundane and simple and it when you see it, you would
7:58
think that perhaps it took quite some time to come up with that, but it was just literally like it seemed like it's
8:03
just super fast. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy stuff. Crazy stuff. And of course, there's a lot of people complaining about um IP, you know, like
8:09
you can uh conjure up all kinds of Disney characters, Marvel characters, um
8:16
all this uh intellectual property, you know, from Hollywood. And it's been trained on TV shows and on movies, apparently. So, I think there's there
8:21
was a little bit of an outcry. I don't know if anyone sued him yet. Has anyone sued him? Uh well what I've read and again I I don't have an invite so please
8:28
send it immediately. Uh what I've read is that uh they've actually imposed some
8:33
guard rails that have made it difficult to even do anything. You know it's like
8:39
it's the pendulum swung back the other way and now it's like uh Apple's image playground where like if if you say
8:46
anything at all that is a proper noun. Nope. Sorry. Can't do it. it. Uh, but I
8:52
like I it's a little frustrating that I can't uh verify that for myself. I wish
8:58
I could try this thing out because it just looks absolutely insane. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, next week I mean
9:03
uh if we get invites this week, maybe we can conjure up um cameos of ourselves and we won't have to do the podcast next week. We can just do it through Sora.
9:11
I don't mind doing that. Um yeah, it's like I I don't know. Kind of terrifying.
9:16
um you know the uh the the the the fidelity the realism of the these things
9:22
and like you said I mean like in a year's time it's it's absolutely crazy the the the difference in quality um
9:27
some of the stuff I you know all the ones I've seen I couldn't tell if it was it was AI generated you know like that
9:32
you know that with images like from mid Journey or um Grock you know they have that kind of weird AI sheen you can you
9:38
can almost you can that that era has definitely joined our clothes isn't it where you can where AI stuff looks like
9:43
AI generated stuff now it's it's indistinguishable from reality. That sevenfinger giveaway.
9:49
Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Scary times. Well, anyway, talking about uh
9:55
I have a few thoughts. Yeah. I I'll just I'll just open by saying if you enjoy this, I mean, good for you. I
10:02
mean, the thing is nobody's making you do this. Like, everybody who's watch consuming Sora stuff is is actively
10:08
seeking it out like you know, downloading it, getting an invite code, creating an account. Everybody watching
10:14
these videos clearly wants to do this and you know if you want to do that good for you whatever do whatever you want
10:20
with your time. But uh in the same vein I am allowed to judge you.
10:26
If if you post AI videos on any social media platform that I'm on, I'm going to
10:31
meet you because you're embarrassing and I don't respect you. The only people I talk to in real life find all this AI
10:38
slop garbage embarrassing and they don't want to watch it. The only people I've found who actually enjoy or want to see
10:45
it are uh people who have no artistic or creative talent. So
10:51
that's awfully high high fallutin there. Uh Griffin, it's garbage. It's garbage. If you're
10:56
watch There is no creativity. This is this is not art. This is just garbage. Creativity requires creation. There
11:04
there's more to art than just the product. Artists create art. Content creators manufacture content. And that's
11:10
all this is. This is all this ever will be. When I look at these garbage video, it's just nothing. Peter Griffin eating
11:16
Peter Griffin eating dinner with Wednesday Adams, it means nothing and it says nothing. It is not art. It So when
11:23
when I see it, I I don't see anything. There's nothing there. All I see is the the heat that a server is using to
11:30
generate it, the gallons of water that is being wasted, the environment being ruined in the cities where these are
11:35
being pumped out. It's embarrassing. And if you post this, I lose respect for you. Oh no. Liberal
11:41
getting triggered. Oh, are you so mad? I'm gonna I'm gonna post more AI art to trigger you. First of all, grow the up.
11:48
You're like eight years old if you're reacting like that. Second of all, I'm not mad. I'm just losing respect for you
11:54
if you if you watch this or enjoy it or create it. I So, I have not downloaded a
12:00
store and I have no plans to. I think, you know, right now those criticisms are true. Uh but it's
12:06
obviously you know so I think what what will happen what we'll see is that people um kids in their bedroom will be
12:12
able to create Hollywood quality movies or or without you know without
12:20
any of the sure good for them if they want to do that. I don't have any interest in watching them. That's
12:25
well I think we're going to see I think that's just inevitable. I think that's going to be you know that's going to be totally true. There are going to be amazing things made with this whether
12:31
you like it or not. Okay. Um, I think that I think that is
12:36
I'm also worried I mean I'm worried about like looking on you know there's already enough misinformation in the world right now.
12:42
Um, and you can see what it's doing to um societies around the world and this
12:48
is going to accelerate that for sure. I mean people already believe some crazy crazy stuff and and if if you if you
12:54
start to back it up with video evidence um it's just going to get worse. I think
12:59
there's going to be you know I think we're going to see some really bad stuff. Yeah, I mean the the solution to that is the same as it always has been
13:06
because people have always been able to fake photographs, fake, you know, stories, you know, before the age of
13:11
photographs. Like that's not it's not a new problem. Although the the scale is certainly new. I mean, it just means
13:16
that we need to go back to trusting verified news sources, which uh you know, and classic journalism, people who
13:22
have researched facts, people who know things, people who can find the truth and and report on it originally, but you
13:27
know, we've already given up on that. So, it's the same problem that we've already always had.
13:33
The mistrust of the media has never been higher. I mean, like half the country rejects the mainstream media. They think that they're, you know, it's fake news.
13:40
Um, I think that's kind of I think there's some people who are receptive to that, but I think there's a lot of people who aren't. Um, trusted sources
13:47
and so on so forth, you know, like they don't trust them. They don't trust scientists. RFK doesn't trust
13:53
scientists. Um, it uh yeah, you know, I don't know.
13:58
It's it it it it's it's scary. It's worrying, but it's also kind of it is
14:03
kind of exciting, I think, in a way. I I understand your point of view. I'm trying to take a more optimistic one.
14:09
I'm not entirely convinced I you know, I'm not even entirely convinced myself that I I believe what I'm saying. I mean, people can watch it if they want
14:15
to. I just have no interest in it. And if you post any of it, I'm going to block you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think it's
14:21
going to be I think it's You have fun rolling in garbage and eating styrofoam instead of real food.
14:26
Good for you. I don't think you're going to be able to avoid it. Uh to be honest, I um I think it's uh you know, it's um
14:33
it's here it's here to stay. I hate to say that. And it's going to be it's going to be more and more prevalent than ever.
14:40
I don't want to get political, but you know, that people aren't critical, are they? They have no idea how the media works. People
14:46
have no media literacy at all. They have no clue about checking, you know, reading different
14:51
things. Like I I I read a lot and so like I look at the Daily Mail almost every day even though I don't I hate it.
14:57
I hate it but I kind of tend to look at it because I want to well because I want to see what's going
15:02
on in the right-wing you know media sphere and I mean I don't like it but you know
15:08
what I mean. It's like it gives you some well I don't know. Do I get a realistic view? I'm not sure. All right so on that note let's talk
15:14
about what uh is going on with Johnny IV and his uh attempts to create an iPhone killer.
15:21
So, as you probably know, he's Johnny IV, the exapple design, teamed up with um Sam Alman of OpenAI to uh create um
15:30
this AI device. They're best friends now. Johnny Ives's new best friend, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And
15:36
there's that creepy picture of them seeing everywhere. But apparently, they're struggling. Big surprise.
15:43
There was a report in the Financial Times um saying that they have three major challenges remaining to try and
15:50
get this thing working. And the first one's super funny. So one according quote one issue is ensuring the device only chimes in when useful from talking
15:57
too much or not knowing when to finish the conversation says the report.
16:02
That doesn't sound annoying at all. It doesn't know when to shut up. Yeah. Yeah. So uh so the company's devices are
16:09
tended to run constantly sending video and audio to open eye service and processing. That's going to put a considerable drain on those servers
16:14
servers and the company keeps struggles to meet computing demand from users posing questions and requests cheap in
16:20
Sora and its server costs are in the billions of dollars annually. So it's not sure how to ramp that up even more.
16:26
Wow. Uh the third problem bedding the development of open devices related to the second one. A device that's
16:32
constantly watching and listening to its user and sending that data to the servers presents enormous privacy concerns.
16:38
Yeah, I know. Surprise, surprise. So to be clear, Open Eye has no solutions to these problems yet according to the Financial Times.
16:44
Uh and according to the, you know, no one knows what the device is going to look like. It's closely held secret. When announced the product, Alman
16:50
specifically noted the device won't be a phone or glasses. According to the new Financial Times article, it'll be both portable and be able to sit on a desk
16:58
and and no one knows about its price or release date. So yeah, you know, I mean, there's been a there was another one
17:03
this week, was uh last week, Friend, right, that just um got released. It's kind of a necklace that hangs over your
17:09
that that dangles down. I'm a little I don't know. You know, I'm in I don't
17:14
know what to think of this. Uh just three three teeny tiny little bugs they need to work out. Uh you know, the fact that it'll cost enormous amount of
17:21
money. They're not really sure how they'll make money on it and the enormous cost it'll cost to run the service. And they also don't know what
17:28
it'll look like or how much it'll cost or when it'll come out or uh whether it'll be useful or not. But, you know,
17:33
iPhone killer in the making. Yeah. I mean, a lot of companies are
17:38
starting to do this kind of stuff, but it's like, what is the point really? I mean, who needs it? Who needs their entire
17:44
life cataloged? And I mean, I don't know. Well, it's the context, isn't it? It's
17:50
supposed to, you know, to understand um what you were up to, what you know, what you what you said, what someone said. It
17:57
is both creepy and interesting. I don't know. Un unnecessary. I don't
18:03
know. It just seems bizarre. and they say, "Oh, it's not a phone, but they do want it to do everything that a phone
18:08
does, but without a" And you know, the question is, well, is it going to have a screen or not? If they go without a screen, then you basically just
18:14
reinvented the Humane AI pin, and we all know how that went. And if it does have a screen, then you're just reinventing a phone, except more complicated and
18:20
doesn't have Humane tried to pitched it and and and built it as a replacement for your
18:26
phone. So, it had its own number. It didn't show you, it didn't interact with your phone at all. This one is going to be a companion. So I think first of all
18:32
that is and this is obviously from you know Johnny I's lessons from everything from the iPod to the Apple Watch you
18:39
know they've created these companion devices that that that like satellites around your main device and so that's the first I think measure the design
18:46
decision that that shows that it's going to be a little more successful because there's no way that they're going to you know it's going to take off if it's a
18:52
replace with your phone. In fact the phone's never not going to go anywhere I don't think for decades. Um it's just too successful. It's like a
18:58
laptop or desktop. The ultimate problem of that is that all of these startup companies couldn't build a, you know, companion to your
19:05
phone if they wanted to. The only company that can build a first party companion to your phone that helps your
19:10
phone but doesn't replace it is Apple and they make the Apple Watch. Apple doesn't allow any other, you know, so
19:17
far doesn't have any API that people can use to make like a another like second
19:22
like assistant helper device that works with alongside your phone in tandem with it. Uh but you know thanks to the
19:29
regulations in the European Union I think people are I can't remember exactly where I read this but you know
19:35
Apple is working on new APIs that will allow you know for third party device
19:42
manufacturers to to build like sort of companion devices as well. The problem with Humane is that they had to build their product a few years too early
19:49
before this was an option to them. So they had to pitch their device as a phone competitor because they didn't
19:54
have any other choice. uh you know maybe open AAI in the years that it'll actually take to make this thing will be
20:00
able to work around that fact. You know do you need APIs? Why can't you just have an app? I mean wouldn't an app just
20:05
be No, because an app can't actually like read your incoming text like an Apple Watch can. It can't place phone calls like an Apple Watch can. It can't do any
20:12
of the other things. like the the extent to it is that um uh there's like some
20:17
obscure Bluetooth protocol where it can show you the notifications that come in,
20:22
which is what the uh Pebble watches did like, you know, years and years ago. But that's kind of limited, too. Like it
20:28
can't respond to text. It can only show you what they say. It can't like get into all of the useful data in the way
20:33
that you would want an AI device to be able to do. Um if that is something you wanted. But
20:40
maybe that's something that uh in the years that it'll take to actually make this thing open a will be able to take advantage of.
20:46
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that'll be Apple opening the door to the to the device that you know might supplanted. Um
20:52
that's going to be interesting to see how that plays out. I think it's kind of interesting. I think you know like the these devices um they got back they got
20:58
you know there was another attempt before. There's actually an app um a Mac app, right, that does this kind of thing
21:04
that looks at um that's supposed to record every single moment of your life and it'll tell you what someone said in a meeting and um you know act as your
21:12
sort of external brain, your external memory. Uh I think, you know, there's interesting ideas here. We'll see how it
21:18
how it shakes out. I would be opposed to a device like this if it had some privacy protections.
21:25
The only company you can really trust to do that is Apple, really. Um, so yeah, I I think you know, Johnny Johnny
21:31
I maybe you know doesn't he I think he probably has enough Apple DNA to to be cognizant of this.
21:38
You at least I hope. Yeah. But you know I mean yeah they they spent billions of dollars to get Johnny IV to make these decisions but you know
21:45
then then you're trusting well how much but still at the core like it's like how much do you trust OpenAI? Do you trust
21:50
them to you know take Johnny's product making decisions over Sam Alman's who is the actual CEO of the company?
21:59
And this is going to be the ultimate spying device, isn't it? It's going to spy on every single thing you do, say, think what
22:04
it's um and of course the computing things like I was reading about uh these
22:10
new uh some of the new um data centers that that they're building. Um the one
22:16
of I mean this is the big problem, isn't it? That that the amount of compute that involved that this is what Sam Alman was
22:22
saying that that the limiting factor is the compute factor, isn't it? the amount of compute that they can throw at the at
22:29
and and you mean throw at waste. Waste, you know, taking everything you say and
22:35
do, you know, hey honey, did you get the mail? You instantly transmitted to a server. I I mean it's uh it's a little
22:42
bit insane. I mean like I don't understand. I mean obviously I don't I don't work there. I don't know what
22:47
exactly they got in mind, but I don't Everything I've read about this, I don't understand how it's any different from something like a HomePod except that
22:54
it's portable, or something like your phone, except that it's always listening. I don't I don't see how I I I
23:01
don't understand what the the actual function of this thing is beyond
23:07
answering questions that you ask. Is it like it's going to proactively answer questions that you haven't, you know,
23:12
been able to like formulate yet? Is that what it is? like, "Oh, Lewis, you you'd do much better uh uh changing your spark
23:20
plugs and this, you know, change this one first." You know, I mean, I don't I don't understand how it's supposed to
23:26
like what there are two potential solutions to this. Apple's solution is, you know, your phone already has all of the data.
23:32
It doesn't need to listen to everything you say to be able to know these things. You don't have, you know, when you ask, "Oh, what time does my mom's flight
23:38
land?" It doesn't need to search through every conversation you've ever had with your mom. It'll just read through your
23:44
text conversations and your email. So, it doesn't need to listen to every single conversation you've ever had. And, you know, the problem that I have
23:50
with these types of devices is that sure, I don't have to buy one if I don't want one, and I don't plan on buying one, but that doesn't stop, you know, my
23:57
friend from buying one. And then I can't consent to that if anybody I ever know has one of these things. It doesn't
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matter that I don't buy one because all my conversations with that person are going to be scraped and sent to these AI servers. Like,
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I I just I just don't understand what the point is. Like, yeah. Oh, uh, you know, I've got this amazing AI device in my house and, uh,
24:17
Griffin shows up and it's like, "Oh, hi, Griffin." And it instantly, oh, Griffin's here. Gri Griffin, uh, likes
24:23
to have the temperature set to 72 degrees in his house, not 68 like you have it. So, instantly your heat turns
24:29
up. I mean, I just don't understand what kind of problem uh, this is going to solve.
24:34
Throwing AI at a problem that's already been solved. Your iPhone already knows the people who you are around, and that's how features like AirDrop work.
24:40
Like, yeah. And if the point is to burn a bunch of investor money and say that you're creating all
24:46
these products like you know open AAI getting getting spending money to Nvidia that's investing money back in them
24:52
that's money that's being invested by Microsoft that's spending like are any of these companies actually ex like
24:57
writing checks to each other or just saying that they're doing things and raising imaginary money that's all just
25:03
going to like when is the who is act when is money actually going to be made here in any part of this process? I saw
25:10
a pretty funny graphic, you know, of all the the interconnections between them all, you know, like with Nvidia now
25:15
investing in all these different AMD and Intel and all those others are all involved now. They're all investing in each other.
25:20
Nvidia is the only company actually getting checks from people that are being cashed and you know contributing
25:26
to a profit somewhere like five years from now all of these VCs are going to
25:31
start asking the question of okay but when are you going to start making money though? None of these companies are are
25:37
making money and Who knows what'll happen? You can make money right now. just just sell sell sell sell sell sell sell sell
25:42
sell sell sell sell sell sell sell sell sell sell sell sell sell sell sell before it pops pops pops uh well one thing I I think it's unfair to
25:49
judge this before it's come out which which we're doing a little bit I mean the one interesting thing about Johnny IV
25:54
and his design philosophy which kind of goes do you remember Jeff Hawkins the palm pilot
25:59
um this probably way before your time gal pilot was an old yeah you know the first PDA so Hawkins um was
26:07
the inventor of this and he made one and dummy dummy one out of a piece of wood and he carried around he carried it
26:14
around for a year um using it pretending to use it before you know to help in his
26:19
design process and this is I think you know Johnny Ives also design philosophy divine process you know they they
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deliver these things behind the scenes and they tend to work out the use cases
26:30
before they release them so you know uh it's and it's the opposite of I think
26:36
what a lot of techn technology companies do which I think maybe Humane did which is they they have technology and they
26:41
cobble it together and they come up, you know, they put out a product before they've even worked out what it can do. And I think this is the opposite of what
26:47
Johnny Iv and his team are going to be doing. I think they'll work out what you can do with they work backwards. I mean, you know, the story is that Humane actually did
26:54
have a product. They were originally going to make like a women's health product until the two founders like were speaking to their like spiritual guru
26:59
and they said, "No, you need to make something else instead." And so then they just completely pivoted the company into a disaster and now here Iran Chowri
27:07
is like selling HP laptops. So did well funny Immbran has you know he he he
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he he's a thoughtful guy. He's he's no idiot but and and and he and he he I
27:18
mean he he I don't know I can't remember it's like 20 or 30 years at Apple and he started on the Mac and and was uh one of
27:24
the prime you know major developers of of the iPhone, the Apple Watch um and a whole bunch of other things as well you
27:30
know. So he he he has Apple DNA in him too. So it was surprising to see them fumble it so bad. You know, I have some
27:35
some confidence that Johnny IV will at least try to be be thoughtful about what
27:41
this thing is going to be good for before he releases. Yeah. I'm sure it's going to be designed very well.
27:46
That's all I can say. The use case, too. You know, I think the use cases as well. Anyway, I think we patched that to death.
27:52
Let's talk about um the the new changes in iOS 26 beta iOS 26.1 beta 2. There's
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some there's a few uh there's a couple of interesting things in here. Oh, yes. Welcome back all the listeners who have skipped the first part of the
28:04
show. Now, now, now the real show starts. iOS 26.1 beta 2 updates the alarm interface
28:12
on the iPhone lock screen. This is like one of the more controversial changes in iOS 26, you know, beyond all the liquid
28:19
glass stuff. Uh they they changed the alarm interface on the iPhone to just be like two gigantic buttons when alarm
28:24
goes off, you know, snooze or stop. Um and before the sort of design was that
28:29
snooze was a big button. It's really easy to hit if you're a little sleepy. The stop button is really small and kind
28:34
of hard to see. So that it forces you to like make sure you're awake before you can tap that stop button.
28:40
But now it has a an interface that's like clearly looks a little bit like, you know, copied from the uh Apple Watch, you
28:47
know, widget Swift UI type interface where it's just the the big two buttons. Uh and people are complaining that it's
28:53
too easy to stop your alarm even if you're not paying attention. Um, well, now what they've done is they've turned
28:59
the stop button into sort of a slide to unlock slider. So, you have to slide it
29:04
over to stop your alarm. Um, I think that sounds cool. Yeah. Yeah. Which is, uh, solving a
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problem that they engineered for themselves. Story, the Allen story.
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Um, but the big news comes on the iPad. Um, I'll I'll start with a little one
29:22
first. in the iPad menu bar for the new free form windowing inside the application menu when you have the the
29:29
menu bar there's a new commands for hide and hide others. So that's a now a command you can do on the iPad you know
29:34
or you can hit command H or option command H to hide the current application or hide everything else on
29:41
the screen to let you focus a little more. Those are definitely I use that on the Mac a lot. That that's definitely a
29:46
useful useful. Oh yeah, I I use hide more than I use minimize really. You know, just command H to hide things because the great thing
29:52
is that uh you can just click on the application icon in the doc to bring all the windows back instantly at once. You
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don't have to go through unminimizing them one by one. So great great tip. Also in the file menu, there's a new
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option to close all windows if you hold down the option key on the iPad. So you know that's handy. But the big one
30:11
comes also to uh the new multitasking interface. They've brought back slide
30:17
over from before. This was the one unfortunate side effect of them throwing out their old split view multitasking
30:24
interface that slide over was gone. And you know slide over let you have a window that floated on top of everything
30:29
else. No matter if a different app was the active one, you know, it would it would stay there. iOS 26.1 brings back
30:35
slide over in a slightly tweaked form. You can now keep one app floating on the
30:40
side, but it and this is an option that's available uh if you tap the green button on your iPad, you'll see a new
30:46
option, enter slide over. You can throw an app floating on this the left side, but unlike the old slide over, it
30:52
doesn't have its own complicated app switcher. Any app can just be moved to slide over and you can only have one app
30:58
at a time there. It doesn't have its own convoluted system of switching the app and slide over. Any app can be in slide
31:04
over. And it's also no longer limited to be a really tall skinny window. You can resize a window. You can have a slide
31:09
over window that's like giant and square and taking up twothirds of the screen if you want to. Uh you know, so so that's
31:17
back and that's a a great option for everybody who missed that feature. Honestly, the most surprising part is
31:23
that sign over came back only two months, one month after iPad OS 26 was
31:28
released. I think a lot of people were expecting, oh, you know, I guess we'll just have to wait until iPad OS 27, but
31:34
nope, here it is back. So, maybe they're planning on bringing it in all along. There must been a lot of complaints about it. I saw a lot of people cheering
31:39
that it was back. Um, you know, there's been a bit positive reaction. Um, although like you said, they were complaining that you didn't have the app
31:45
switcher built in any longer. Uh, which did anybody really know how that worked anyways? I don't I don't see that as being a lost.
31:53
I have no idea how to use it. All right. So, there's actually some pretty meaningful tweaks, isn't it, in the in this beta.
31:59
Um and and hopefully hopefully the Mac will get uh its round of, you know, cleaning
32:05
up fixes. I I saw Stephen Troutton Smith saying that a lot of his bug reports that he had been filing all summer are
32:11
getting like taken down one by one on Mac OS Tahoe. Um, so may may they'll
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turn eventually they're they'll turn their attention back there again because Mac OS Tahoe is still kind of a mess. But God, I still haven't downloaded that.
32:23
Uh, don't that's what I keep hearing. And and you guys have been on the iOS beta train
32:29
forever, right? I I mean, so you're probably a little bit I don't know used to it. But I I swear to God I I have
32:35
never had so much problem with a new iPhone as I have with this iPhone 17 Pro and iOS 26, you know, like and I can't I
32:44
really can't put my finger on h but so many things like I I tap them and they don't work or I go to tap it and I can't
32:51
tap it because it's covered by something. I don't really know. I mean, it happens with Apple apps and Safari,
32:57
you know, it seems like it's it might be like a third-party problem, you know, like it might I
33:04
it sounds to me like I think you need to do a fresh install. You've got some you I think that's you know, at least give that a try before you you you give up on
33:10
it. And it's a pain, but I think it's worth it. I mean, that solves a lot of problems. I think you know I think if uh
33:16
I saw quite a few people saying that as well that if if you import you know from your old phone it um it creates all
33:22
kinds of headaches not the least of which it has the wrong name but I mean there are so many like things that are unpolished like look what
33:28
happens when you try doing type to series sideways that's not a useful interface for everybody the keyboard is
33:34
like incredibly broken and squished the the tool the type bar is like floating
33:39
over like two-thirds of the screen with a giant gap in the middle for no reason like a lot of it is very broken still.
33:45
Um there's a lot of I I I go to take a screenshot it's like you know 50/50 will
33:50
it work? Sometimes I try like 10 times and on the 11th time it works. Basic functionality.
33:55
Yesterday when I was doing an article I I I was trying to take like a screen recording from my iPhone plugged in over USB like using QuickTime. And I was
34:03
struggling with this for an hour. I'm not kidding. An hour because QuickTime just randomly froze and I had to reboot
34:09
my computer several times. Then when I finally was able to capture screen recording, the the theOV
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file wouldn't play in any video player that I had for another hour or so, like
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36:56
on the phone. Um it's actually finally gotten good. IS-26 has got some some a new tool, right?
37:01
Oh, yeah. You can now block and screen all of the calls from unknown numbers and live the life that I live of
37:07
peaceful zen. So to do this, all you just have to do is go to settings and
37:14
then you scroll all the way down to apps and then you scroll all the way through all your apps and then you hit phone and
37:19
then you scroll all the way past the phone settings and then you'll get to a section uh called like screen unknown
37:25
callers. This section and you have three different options. So, never let every
37:31
phone call come in, just like the bad old days. Silence will send every unknown call straight to voicemail.
37:38
That's my personal favorite because you just, you know, don't get any calls from unknown numbers. But then there's a new
37:43
option in iOS 26 called Ask Reason for Calling. Uh, your phone basically picks up the phone for you. So, you're you're
37:50
never interrupted. You get like a little black notification on your lock screen that something is happening, but you know, your phone picks it up
37:55
automatically for you. Doesn't like interrupt you. And then the robot will like ask the person the reason why
38:01
they're calling their name and the purpose for the call. And usually that's enough to just, you know, instantly get
38:08
all of these calls like immediately hung up. I get a lot of notifications like someone's calling you and then 5 seconds later they're gone. And that's all it
38:14
takes. Just having a robot pick up the phone for you and be like, "Hey, why are you calling?" is enough to make a lot of scammers just like dip out immediately.
38:21
It's really funny. Um, and that's great. If it is an actual human who's trying to get your attention, they'll uh you know
38:27
say, "Oh, I'm calling because you know you're the example Apple gives is, "Oh, there's somebody delivering flowers
38:33
downstairs and they just need you to they just need you to let them in." And you, oh, sure, I'll pick up that. You
38:39
know, it'll it'll show you the reason. You can answer the call if you want to. Um, and that's great. There's another
38:45
smart feature. This isn't new, but it's called live voicemail that's kind of similar where it's like, you know, if
38:50
somebody who is in your contacts tries to call you and you don't want to talk right now, there's a button where you
38:56
can tap send to voicemail and you know when they start calling you. It's now in
39:02
iOS 26, it's a little hidden behind a more button. You have to tap more and then you tap the voicemail button. And
39:08
this works kind of in the same way where then the other person will start talking and you know you can see a transcription
39:15
of what they're saying and then you still have the option to answer the call midv voicemail. And this is also great.
39:21
I use this a lot. Um me too. Me too. Ask reason for calling is basically that except it does it all the time. So that
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that's what I highly recommend doing after they leave their message. If your phone decides it's important, it'll come
39:35
through as a regular call. great features. Uh, both of these I was watching the Rockford Files the
39:40
other day. I love that show. But, um, and he has a, you know, it's all about the telephone, isn't it? At the beginning, he has did they leave a
39:46
message on his, um, voicemail, but he had a landline and and and he, in one scene, he picks up the phone and I'm
39:51
like, what is he doing? Is he mad? He's like, he's answering the phone without knowing who's calling. It was
39:57
such a it's such a huge change. Yeah. I hate the phone. I cannot stand to talk on the phone. I cannot people ringing me up. I can't stand the phone ringing.
40:04
These are all perfect for me. Yeah. And so so I set mine, you know, to to never call me basically. And I when
40:09
you're using your phone, like when your phone is unlocked and you're using it, you'll see a little voicemail icon up in
40:15
the status bar that'll tell you, you know, oh, someone's leaving a voicemail. You can tap this button if you want to see it as it's happening. But it just
40:22
makes me smile every time because it's like every time I see that, I know somebody wasn't able to interrupt me.
40:27
And if you really do want to seek these out, like if you think you might have missed something, you know, if they actually do leave a voicemail, it'll
40:33
you'll see that in the phone app. Um, but then you can also go to the uh you can tap the filter button in the upper
40:38
right of the phone app and tap unknown callers and you can see like that number
40:43
is like in the hundreds for me like 300 unknown calls that haven't been able to
40:49
reach me and it just you know brings me an incredible joy. I I got a question for you. How how do
40:54
you actually talk on the phone these days? How do you how do you uh how do I talk on the phone? Well, how do you hold it? How? Because I
41:00
I've noticed that now everybody holds it like this these days with the speaker on, right? In the
41:06
street, in public, everywhere. Nobody Nobody goes like that. Everyone talks like this these days. Every
41:13
audio listeners, Lander is holding his phone in front of his face like like he's about to eat a sandwich.
41:19
No, I I'm old enough to like still have the amount of shame of talking in public
41:24
around other people. So, I I hold it up as close to my face, as close as I can, have the have the volume cranked out as
41:30
quiet, but like pointing like directly into my ear canal so that nobody else has to hear what other people are
41:35
saying. And then I scurry to a corner of the room where nobody is and try to talk as quietly as possible and get the whole
41:41
ordeal over with as fast as I can. The whole deal, right? I uh every time
41:47
my phone rings, I am scrambling to jam in an AirPod if I don't already have one in cuz that's that to me is the ultimate
41:54
way to take a call. And then of course once you put an AirPod in your ear, it automatically picks up the call.
41:59
Then of course you end up with the like, you know, you're walking down the street talking to yourself looking crazy, but
42:04
uh still way better than than trying to hear I don't know. I I I don't hear that great on the uh phone to my ear. And I
42:12
but I definitely hate the the phone on a hand platter in front of your face
42:17
yelling at the top of your lungs. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my god. What are these people up to?
42:22
Do these people have no shame? Do they just want everybody else to know what they're talking about? It is It is super bad. You're seeing it
42:29
in San Francisco. I I see it all the time in Europe, in Italy. It's just insane.
42:35
Yeah. Yeah. In the street, you know, I walk to work every day and I see people walking down the street talking like that. But I don't see anyone talking, you know, that that is the seems to be
42:41
the default method now that everyone uses, at least in my opinion. All right, let's move on. Let's talk about the setup. Um,
42:48
this week's setup uh come is is a is a is this is crazy. I don't believe this.
42:54
This person has scored a MacBook Air and and it caused him to to upgrade his whole setup. So, if you can't see this picture, what we're looking at is a a
43:00
nice uh desk here with a big uh screen. It's a it's a pretty basic like, you
43:05
know, first first setup. So, it's like a nice clean desk. It's all white, you know, basic white walls of clearly, you
43:11
know, uh, rented apartment or dorm or something like that. Uh, pretty tidy for
43:17
being a a school age person. But if they've got a a dark blue, I think like
43:23
the the the the dark blue MacBook Air on a little stand. Uh, 27 in LG display.
43:30
For being a 27in display, unfortunately, it's only 4K, not 5K, which is the correct resolution at that size in my
43:36
opinion. But, you know, they're doing the best they can. You know, they've got um a little Mag Safe sort of mount on
43:43
top of the display for, you know, hooking up an iPhone for continuity camera, which is, you know, a good thing to do.
43:49
Sorry. And and and an iPad on the right hand side, and then they got a Liverpool FC uh scarf hanging up on the left. So, I'm guessing
43:54
they have a a PS4 controller for which is, you know, what I do as well for for Mac gaming. PS4 controllers are
44:01
excellent. They're super cheap and they do everything you want you'd need to do on a Mac. Really?
44:06
Yeah. Well, here's the unbelievable part is this person got an M4 MacBook Air with 32 gigabytes of RAM. 32 GB
44:13
for and AirPods Pro 3 for $58. What?
44:18
That's what it says. How can that be? Is that a typo or I think maybe they got the AirPods Pro 3
44:24
for $58. I don't know about the MacBook Air, but it must have been like one of those, you know, special like auction
44:30
sites where, you know, they're auctioning something off and sometimes you could get in with a low bid and take
44:36
home something impressive for a cheap price, but usually you don't. Maybe they got lucky. I don't know how they I don't
44:41
know how they got their computer, but uh really lucky because I mean at least
44:47
2,000 if not $2,500 worth of gear. Um,
44:52
uh, anyway, he's instantly and it came from a PC. So, it says instantly hooked and I'm even Apple Music now, which feels like a throwback to my iPod touch
44:58
days. It says they they tried the Magic Keyboard and Magic Mouse, but they guess what?
45:04
Those those devices were disappointing. So, then they just switched to the Logitech MX Keys S keyboard and the MXM
45:10
3S. You can tell it's a PC user because they didn't even try using the magic trackpad, which is clearly the best
45:16
thing that you can do. No way. MX. MX. So, uh, just to be
45:21
clear, they got a student deal in the MacBook Air and then they paid €50 to
45:26
get the AirPods Pro 3. I'm guessing it was one of those deals where you buy a MacBook and they'll give you AirPods, but you say, "Oh, and rather than
45:33
regular AirPods, I'm going to bump up to AirPods Pro." So, so that's what happened. Yeah. I mean, if they got the whole thing for 58, it's time to like
45:39
fly to Europe and get that deal yourself. Yeah. It'll be worth it when it does the air.
45:44
So, and then he said he also got he's got an iPad there on the right. He said he got a cheap ninth generation uh iPad.
45:50
Um it's the his his entry into the tablet world and now I'm fully convinced he said and I can't wait to get an Apple Watch next
45:55
and he took the picture with an iPhone 15 Pro Max. So he's dra into the deep end.
46:01
I used to I used to work with a guy back at wire.com when I was the Apple reporter there and uh every day every
46:07
single day I used to get um uh made fun of by by one of our old colleagues Dave
46:12
Kravitz. He used he's he used to delight in like ribbon, oh what's Steve Jobs up to today? Oh, did you see Steve Jobs at
46:18
this and that and the other? So any he gets an iPod for Christmas and then next thing you know and of course he loves it
46:23
so much now he's hanging out at the Apple store. Then he gets a MacBook and then and then and then he's fully in and then he becomes the most
46:31
craziest Apple cult fanatic you've ever met in your life. It was like the overnight switch and it was like, "Oh my
46:37
god, this is definitely Cton Mack at work here because uh he became and then he became a dedicated reader of the of
46:43
the Colton Mac website." So he be checking it all day every day and he said, "I love your website. I love your website, man." You know, like I you know
46:49
why? Because he'd learned how to use his Apple devices. He said that's was you know that was an education for him. So yeah, it was pretty funny. That was a
46:55
really that was a really stark example of somebody who gone all in on the Apple the iPod Halo effect. It worked on him.
47:00
That was that was the mythical thing. Absolutely. Um, yeah, Vander, there's one question about the setup that I need to get your opinion
47:05
on. I wonder if you can identify what I'm going to ask. He has a scarf hanging from a bookshelf that identifies
47:13
Liverpool FC, the the football club. Are you Does that make you happy or
47:18
irritated? Oh, I could care less. Okay. Um, back back in your hometown in England, would would a Liverpool scarf uh get you
47:26
a free beer or would it get you punched in the face? In London, I don't know how it would go down. Um, it would probably go down
47:33
fine. Uh, you know, the I don't think there's as much hooliganism. I haven't been back at the UK for a long time, but
47:38
you know, the hooliganism used to be crazy. The last time I went to see a football game, we were lining up to get our tickets and uh the people in front
47:44
of us. Suddenly, someone came running up and cold cocked this guy right in front of us, knocked him on the ground. All
47:50
hell broke loose. Next thing you know, there's all these coppers on horses coming charging at us. It was like
47:56
something out of Game of Thrones, and we just legged him. Yeah. um ran off and ran to the pub. Uh
48:02
so it used to be a really bad problem. I've heard it got a lot better now, but but it's all super expensive. It's all stadium seating. All the stadiums have
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got upgraded. Like when we used to go, people used to pee in the terraces. It was like um there would be cages like
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that to separate the supporters. One time we went to see um my brother's a Nottingham Forest fan
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and we got we went to see him play Chelsea. We got put in the Chelsea section instead of the Norton Forest section. So he had to keep it really
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quiet. And then behind us there was this guy who was he was like an animal. He was like jumping up on the cage and he
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was like like this and he was like shaking the whole thing and and he was like he was so amped up and so like trying to rile up the the Ningham Forest
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supporters. It was like oh my god this guy's like you know like we're just trying to keep as low profile as possible in case he attention turned to
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to us. So I don't know. Yeah. What football club you support? Would you just say Nottingham Forest? Is that is
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that your like prepared answer to that question or Well, I used to be a West Ham supporter. So, um and in fact, that used to get me
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beaten up where where I grew up in in Telford because they were a London team. Yeah. And everyone hated West Ham.
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Um but they I don't I think I think it's a lot less partisan than it used to be. Um they Yeah. You know, football
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hooligans used to be really like a We've had a run in with a whole bunch of football hooligans. When I was a teenager, I was a punk and me and my my
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best buddy, we went to see this concert in Wolverampton one time. We went on the on the train station and there's police
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everywhere. Um, and we're like, "Look at the pigs. Look at those." You know, like we're like, "F the police." And and we
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were being very disparaging, but then this train pulls up, the doors open, and thousands of football hooligans come
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pouring out, and we were terrified because, you know, we were going to definitely going to get beaten up. They pick on punks. Luckily, the police came
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and formed a line between us and the hooligans, and we were like, "Thank God for the police."
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Yeah, it was um they saved our bacon for sure. I think those days are gone though. I think it's changed a lot. Like
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I said, I haven't been I've lived longer in the States now than I have in the UK, so I'm not I'm not totally up on it. But there was actually a really good um
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there's a there's a really fascinating documentary about Milwall FC. They had a a uh there was called the firm the
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Hooligans and they were really highly organized. They used to have um like strike teams. They had generals who
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stood at the back who would direct the the hooligan action. Then they had like strike teams. They had sort of troops.
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Um it was very it was almost you know like militaristic the way they were organized. And the strike team would you know they would be the first ones who
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would go in and start the aggro and then when all the others when the opposing hooligans came rushing in that's when
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that they do a sort of pinser action and then that you know they'd circle them and it was it was kind of crazy.
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And they would live for this. They would they they they like you know every week the whole point of going to a football game is to get to a huge fight and the
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adrenaline and the the you know the the the excitement of it um is is totally
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addictive but there's a fascinating documentary about um Milwall FC they were one of the most notorious and I
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think it was called was it called the the I think it was called oh maybe the end of city the city firm I can't forget what it was called but I haven't seen
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this for years kind of terrifying to watch but very very fascinating and in fact Elijah Wood was in a movie I think
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about football Julie um that were supposed to be kind of well received but anyway yeah no it's changed
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Liverpool are okay they they used to be dominant when I was a kid they were the dominant team um not so much anymore I
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think they're a bit further down my both my brothers are football fanatics so um and they you know they they'd be the
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ones to ask about football I'm about the only English person who ever who does who who is indifferent to football I'm a
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complete outcast in my own country uh anyway let's move on let's talk about the what we've got a question now from
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um an Ant asked us a question in the Discord channel. What's his what was his question, Griffin? His question reads, "Years ago, I owned
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a Mac Mini server with Mac OS server. It was really good for home use, and I remember lusting after the rack mount
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servers." You think he's referring to the XServe? Um, do you think there would ever be a chance of Apple returning to
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enterprise? Well, I've got no clue.
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I I have got a clue. What do you think, Liz? I don't think actually they will. No, I think it's a pretty unlikely. I think no definitely not. We're they're a
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they're a consumer. The whole thing about like enterprise is that, you know, all these IT managers, you know, want to know what the uh the
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future of product is. They want to have a road map and Apple has absolutely zero interest in sharing that with anybody.
52:20
Now, the the road map is honestly kind of the most predictable it ever has been. They've been rolling out a new generation of, you know, Mchip as close
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to annually as they can, but I don't think Apple has any. I mean, an if you
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really want a rack mount product, buy the rack mounted Mac Pro. They still technically make that.
52:38
They um one of the interesting things I think about the you know, the enterprise stuff is that uh there was a big rebellion, wasn't there, like a few
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years ago that people started they preferred MacBooks so much over the over the the PCs that they were given is that
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a lot of IT departments had to accommodate that. they had to like um you know change the way they instead of
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forcing people to use what they wanted them to use they started to accept that people would you know bring their own
53:01
devices same with iPhones too you know there was like a back when the iPhone started to take off a lot of you know
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enterprise uh IT departments wouldn't support it but then they were forced to because that was what people were using
53:12
that was the most interesting thing I think you know that consumer devices um you know our IT our our pro you know
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enterprises devices now they by by you know they've been that's been forced on the most Apple does in that regard is
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you know the the personal device multi-device management stuff and Apple only does that because they have to do
53:32
that themselves to manage their own employees and but you know Apple isn't going to go out of their way to you know
53:38
create a special server form product I mean they do make I guess they do make one themselves they're they're making like they have like a special
53:45
version of the Mac studio that uh private cloud compute runs off of but I don't think they have any interest in
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making that a product for anybody else to do other than themselves? Is that the only um enterprise product
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they make these days? The Mac Pro? The ragman Mac Pro? Yeah, I think so. It's funny. I mean, that used to be a
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big debate, wasn't it? Because when Microsoft were dominant, you know, obviously they sold a lot of they were dominant because they sold so many computers to businesses and and and and
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that was, you know, I guess everyone wanted everyone all the analysts thought that Apple should be competing in that
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same space and so they made these enterprise pushes. They were never really that successful, were they? Yeah, they they dipped their toe. I
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mean, just for academic or historical reasons, I want to buy like a small rack and like buy an old XServe G4 and maybe
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like an Xerve Raid, but only for historical purposes. I don't plan on running a home server off of it. I mean, historical
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Apple junk for your junk collection. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you you can still buy a Mac Mini and run it as a home
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server. I mean, Apple doesn't maintain Mac OS server anymore, but you know, you can run a jellyfin server for like, you
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know, video streaming off of it. They they make good products, but only incidentally as you know just the fact
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that they're now getting pretty cheap to buy an M1 Mac Mini used on Facebook Marketplace and run stuff off of it. But
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you know, Apple isn't going to maintain the enterprise market themselves anymore. And a lot of people use those Mac minis
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though, right, for that kind of server cr. I mean, I don't even understand what enterprise computing is to be quite
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honest. It it might I just instantly want to fall asleep. But, uh, I mean, I
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we've written stories about people using like a whole bunch of Mac minis as as servers for specific things, server
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farms, whatever. Uh, yeah. Anyway, I would think that I would
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think that people would want to use it because it it just actually seems like it's I mean, I don't know. I I used to use
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PCs all the time and it it seems like the whole Mac thing is just way simpler.
55:41
I I don't understand why IT departments would want to use something more difficult except that they're you know
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keeping their uh you know they they know that Microsoft will always if it's a big enough company and
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they you know buy enough computers then they they can like make their demand to Microsoft and Microsoft will have to
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listen to them. Those those are like the the the financial whales that keep Microsoft afloat.
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A lot of it has to do with control, doesn't it? I mean it's like you know keeping keeping control over the devices.
56:11
from the making sure that they uh can lock them down, that kind of stuff. It it just made me flash back to like
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working at at Wired and other places where it's like, "Oh, I need to, you know, change this one little thing on my
56:24
computer. Okay, well, I can come down tomorrow afternoon at you know, it's like the the good old days quote of like
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working at a place where you have an IT staff that does all this stuff." I mean, do you remember that? like, "Oh, we're
56:37
going to have to shut down the newsroom Friday afternoon because everybody's going to update to, you know, Windows
56:42
2.1 or what? I don't know what it was, but Well, the worst thing was make everyone use Lotus Notes.
56:48
Oh my god. Yeah. I I refused to use that actually. I was
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a rebel. But um yeah, they you had to sub submit a ticket and they'd be like, you know, for
56:59
something really really stupid and simple um to get your password reset for your email or something like that and and it would take like a week. Jesus.
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And they were always so intransitent that the the IT guys, weren't they? They were like a couple of them were awful. I
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I really did not like them at all. I completely blotted this out of my
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memory, you know? It's just like uh it was just ridiculous. I just remember how it was like being in uh you know, some
57:24
freaking uh what was it? Brazil. That movie Brazil, you know? It's like just crazy.
57:30
All right, so I think that wraps it up. That's all the cast we have for you this week. Uh, if you want more, you can follow Lewis on Twitter at Lewis
57:37
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Coldcast, the best hourong Apple conversation you're going to hear all week long. New uh episodes of the Cultcast come out every week. I want to
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thank everyone for listening, for watching, and we'll see you next time. Have a great weekend, everybody. Bye. See you. Send those Sorro codes. Sora.
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Sorro. Sorro. Good God. Sora.
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All right. See you. Bye. I feel freaking loopy, man.
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Yeah, I feel a bit loopy, too. Cool. I'll be interested to see how you fix that up.
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I'm still amped up. That coffee is holding me over. Excellent news. take this one apart. The second watch I
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kept on pressing the the um the side button trying to call, you know, set the sign off or do an emergency alarm call.
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Surprised you're running two on one wrist instead of one on each. Well, I wanted to show them cuz I didn't have the sleep school cuz I didn't wear
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the the 11 last night. Plus, I wanted the screen size and I didn't have the sleep school. I was so obsessed with it.
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I got the sleep school on the, you know, one of the widgets. But, um, I had some things to say. I did
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a whole bunch of research on it about different the difference between uh the whoop band and the rig and all those
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different you know how they approach the the sleep the sleep school stuff but I can talk about it next week.
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All right. Okay, guys.
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