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0:03
Hello and welcome to the Cultcast. The best Apple conversation you're going to hear for about the next 20 minutes. So,
0:09
uh, I'm Leander Kaney. I'm your host. Joining me today, we have D. Griffin Jones. Hey, Griffin.
0:15
Good evening. I hate the way you say. You know, it's it's I feel like it's
0:21
become part of the bit that you you're a little awkward doing the intro and outro, and I it's now my role to make to
0:26
to make you stumble as much as I can. It Well, it works. It totally works. It works. It works cuz it's not evening.
0:32
It's morning. But uh and it's not evening where you are either. It's like you don't know when people are going to
0:37
listen to the show. You know, you you get home from a long day of work toiling away in the fields. You you put
0:44
a something on the fire and you you you wind down with a Apple tech podcast, you
0:50
know? Right. I don't know what it's like having a real job. Maybe we should all say good evening.
0:56
And Lewis. Hey Louis. What's going on? Hey. Uh, happy Halloween just in case they're listening to it on Halloween.
1:03
Yeah. I mean, you're also dressed for St. Patrick's Day. I'm trying to get my cat to uh
1:09
Yeah, we have a special guest, Theo. Yeah, Theo is Oh, look. It doesn't work. Look, Theo. Oh, look how happy he is.
1:15
Born internet star. Uh, yeah. Our water's off here in San Francisco.
1:20
That's pretty exciting. Uh, at least on my street. And, uh, the cat's needy. So,
1:26
it's a it's a great it's a great Thursday so far. That's a handsome cat, Louis. Is a very
1:31
good-looking cat. Thanks. He he's he's definitely the most interesting cat we've had. Well, not
1:36
that's not really true, but he's What was the name of your last one? It had uh Oh, cowboy.
1:42
That's several cats ago. Oh, we've had uh we've had Fesus. We've had
1:47
Beaser. Fesus. That's right. Fetus. Those all sound like very interesting
1:53
cats. What do you mean Theo's the most interesting one? They all just sneeze fests. No, they've all been great cats. And
1:58
there was uh Trible. She was cute. Oo, good name. We lost a lot of cats in the uh
2:04
pandemic, but uh I don't think it had anything to do with CO. Am I Can I even say CO now or that get us banned on
2:10
YouTube? I think we're fine to say mentioning the word. You've gone through a lot of cats. What
2:15
are you doing with them over there? I mean, we've had two cats. Well, I mean, you know, they live for a long time and then they cease to live.
2:21
Uh we're down to one now, Theo. And he is absolutely crazy. Bonkers cat. Never
2:26
seen a cat uh run around and play like this cat does. Like so we've had all these cats and and they're you know
2:33
every everyone you know you get a toy for them not once in an hour and then never never touch it. Never play with it
2:39
at all. This cat plays with all the he will like assemble an array of toys and
2:44
play with them all at once. I've never seen anything like it. He he he this one and it's all like leftover stuff. We you
2:50
hardly bought anything for him. And uh there's this one. It's literally just a stick with a string on the end of it. He
2:57
drags it around the house, brings it up onto the bed, so we'll play with him with it. It it's I mean, we need to get
3:04
another another cat so he has, you know, need another raise another cat with his personality.
3:09
Yeah, man. Another 16 years out of it. He's nuts. So, if uh if my audio cuts out in the
3:17
middle, it's either San Francisco's power grid went down or they cut the uh
3:22
fiber while digging up the water man or Theo took me out. I mean, he at some point he's going to be uh messing with
3:28
the laptop. I'm sure it's really amazing want to go pet my
3:34
cat now. I'll be right back. Hold on. We have It's okay. It's a pretty slow news week, you know, right? So,
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It's it's solid solid solid solid. So as Griffin mentioned, kind of a quiet news week. Not really much going on. We were
5:53
expecting an Apple event. Instead, we got a storm of press releases. Uh, and
5:59
they had this is some nice nice stuff. I mean, um, if I had some money, which unfortunately I don't, um, I would go
6:07
out and I would buy every single one of these products that Apple launched this week. So, we got new M5 MacBook Pro, new
6:14
M5 iPad Pro, and of course, the most the one that everyone was waiting for, the
6:19
M5 Vision Pro headset. So, we're going to talk about these. Let's start with the um the actual M5 chip because this
6:25
thing is a you know fascinating the that the the
6:30
the changes that Apple has made. So Griffin is going to tell us about the chip which is underpass all of these products. Let's go. Take it away
6:35
Griffin. So we've heard rumors that the M5, you know, this is the the third time they're
6:40
they're building it on the 3nanometer process, although you know they supposedly improve the process every time. And everybody was saying, "Oh, you
6:47
know, the M5 it'll be a little talk instead of a tick." you know, not not a big change, just a little incremental
6:52
one. And that's a little bit true of the CPU, but the headlining feature is its completely redesigned GPU architecture.
7:00
Apple has embedded a dedicated Nerdle accelerator into each of the 10 GPU cores. Um, a first for the, you know, M5
7:08
chip. I think we've seen this on the uh A19 chip as well on the iPhones last month. But
7:13
uh this architectural change delivers over four times the peak GPU conver compute performance for AI tasks
7:20
compared not to the M1 but to immediately last year the M4. Four times better than last year's chip. More than
7:27
six times the performance of the M1 chip. So huge leap. It has enhanced
7:32
shader cores that deliver up to 30% faster graphics performance compared to M4. You know, again, usually Apple Apple
7:39
like sort of fakes these statistics by like comparing it to a few years old, but no, this is a 30% leap over just
7:45
last year. Uh, their third generation ray tracing engine provides an additional 45% graphics uplift for
7:53
realistic lighting and shadows to 3D games and, you know, rendering software like that. The M5 features what Apple
8:00
claims is the fastest performance core in a in a CPU. The chip includes six
8:05
efficiency cores and four performance cores, which is I think the the same as last year, but together these deliver up
8:11
to 15% faster multi-threaded performance compared to the M4. You know, yeah, this
8:17
is a slower iterative year for Apple Silicon, but it's worth noting that even Apple's slower years where they're having a 15% gain in the CPU, that's
8:24
still miles better than what Intel would do over a single generation. and if they even had a single generation in a year.
8:29
Like Apple's doing this every year. It's insane. I mean, how often did Intel update its its uh flagship chips? Like I
8:36
don't remember now, but it definitely wasn't every year. It was like 18 to 24 months and Apple didn't even use everyone and every
8:41
computer and they would only be like five% better. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Madness.
8:46
Madness. So, even the boring times we live in are still pretty good times. Um the improved
8:52
neural engine. Uh Apple didn't give any performance metrics for this one. curiously, but it's improved, so we know
8:59
that much. I have to take their word for it. Uh 30% more memory bandwidth than
9:04
the M4. This statistic doesn't get a lot of uh you know, ferver around it, but like you know, faster memory bandwidth
9:10
that means you know the all the applications on your computer just like load faster when you switch between them. Um so that gets 30% faster than
9:18
the M4. It has the same amount of memory. like the M5 is limited to a
9:24
maximum of 32 GB. So it looks like we're not looking at increases in like you know memory capacity and that's
9:30
generally true of like the whole family of chips like if they if they don't increase it for the M five it probably
9:35
you know the the memory capacities will probably be the same across the board but bandwidth is increased. So
9:40
this is this is the onchip unified memory isn't it though? It's not the it's not the the RAM or the you know the uh anything else. And in fact, this is
9:46
the key, isn't it, to the to to Apple Silicon's magic, the unified memory architecture.
9:52
Yeah. Yeah. And specifically with, you know, AI and and graphics performance, like on a on a PC, the traditional PC
9:59
architecture, you have your your your memory, which is only available to the CPU. And if you have a discrete graphics
10:05
card, which you really do if you want to do any serious gaming or AI or video
10:11
editing or anything like that, your graphics card has its own separate pool of memory that's local to the card. And
10:17
usually you don't get very much, you know, only like a a gigabyte or two or, you know, nowadays you get more memory
10:22
on the graphics card. But still the fact that on Apple silicon you can have the whole pool of memory shared between
10:28
everything means that if you're not doing anything else and you're just running you know a you know an Xcode
10:34
compile or a you know rendering a 3D scene it has it has the ability to pull
10:39
from the whole pool of 32 gigabytes of memory when you would have to buy a very expensive graphics card to get 32 GB of
10:45
memory right and I mean it's also faster too is it sharing between uh the different components of the system you know this
10:51
is Apple's integration isn't it like you par excellence. Everything crushed on the thing. Of course, like people lost their mind when when Apple silicon first
10:57
came out because you couldn't upgrade the RAM afterwards, could you? You know, like it was um it you you you got what
11:03
you originally bought. And of course, a lot of people uh of course a lot of you know uh constellation amongst, you know,
11:09
traditional uh Apple users. I mean, Apple users are are kind of used to that aside from the 12 people who
11:15
bought the Mac Pro because Apple's been you know, even when the memory was separate, they were still soldering it onto the logic board, you know, from
11:21
like 2012. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it was always a big thing because Apple used to charge a fortune for memory, didn't it? So, it's always
11:27
it's still very expensive. Like, you know, it I I don't remember how much memory. I think I have 32 gigabytes of
11:33
memory and it's it is very expensive upgrading. Yeah, this this unified memory thing I think people are finally getting used to
11:38
it and seeing the advantages of it and you know there are a ton of advantages. I mean the Apple so is I although I
11:44
haven't looked but I remember seeing earlier that Qualcomm I think is starting to catch up. Do you know anything about that? their ARM chips are
11:50
almost as fast as Apple's now. I mean, that's the thing. Apple's been losing a lot of their uh you know, talent on the
11:55
Apple silicon team at the very highest levels. Like a few notable people have been have been going elsewhere. I think
12:00
there's a they a few of them moved off to like create a new startup that I think was bought by Qualcomm and you
12:07
know now we might be seeing the the fruits of that. But um you know that's a problem that Apple has. They're Apple
12:13
doesn't pay their employees as much as other Silicon Valley companies. And so whenever they have like some, you know,
12:20
unique innovation that's like, you know, within their own company, they you see some of the higher level people get
12:26
pawned off to other places. But um Meta Meta, yeah, it's supposed to be poaching all Apple's AI talent right
12:31
now. Isn't that crazy? Like what why does Apple underpay? It doesn't make any sense of
12:38
Well, Tim Cook's got to keep his margins, you know? And the kind the kind of money that Zuckerberg's offering is like absolutely
12:43
mindbending. It's kind of obscene and disgusting. In fact, really. in fact and it really burns chaps my hide but the
12:50
people should you know but anyway uh let's yeah Qualcomm's chips are are starting to catch up um but on on the PC side
12:56
Apple is still going to keep its competitive edge for a long time just because you know uh Microsoft has tried
13:02
to diversify Windows they've tried and failed to diversify Windows off of the Intel x86 architecture so many times and
13:09
every every single attempt has failed but now they're trying again uh with their new um Windows co-pilot plus PCs,
13:17
I think, is the branding they're giving them. These are all These are all PCs, though. Actually, I don't even know if
13:23
those those require ARM processors in them. I don't think they do, but uh they're trying again to go after these
13:30
uh to to move Windows on ARM, and I think they're a little more successful this time, but we'll still see. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, um uh do the one
13:38
other question I had as well is is about the neural accelerator versus the neural engine. Do you know the difference between the two? What what does this
13:44
mean? The new neural acceler that's attached to the GPU course. Do you know how that works? Neural accelerators is basically just a
13:49
fancy and GPUs are aren't very different at all because all of it's just a bunch
13:55
of matrix math like this the the same you know matrices that you use to you know calculate graphics in on a graphics
14:03
card is virtually the same as like the matrices that you use to you know calculate um you know AI tasks and
14:08
machine learning tasks. It's all the same math. So the the same structures that make these neural accelerators and
14:14
the neural engine itself, you know, there there are some differences, but high level explanation, they're they're very similar. So it's basically moving a
14:21
tiny neural engine inside the GPU itself. You know, presumably obviously for for for AI tasks, isn't it? Rather than
14:27
generalized GPU um graphics rendering task. So this is making it faster for specifically for for AI
14:34
tasks. I was looking actually I saw an article where they're comparing um Apple silicon I think it was a couple of
14:39
generations ago to Nvidia's chips um and of course Nvidia's chips uh have um far
14:46
more um compute power but when you compare it to power which you know uh at
14:53
the moment uh that the AI industry doesn't doesn't seem to be concerned about but this is is going to be a
14:58
massive concern going in the future isn't it and they're talking about you know building these massive data centers that will uh consume assume you know I
15:05
mean more power than a than a city um and um Apple's silicon is looking really
15:10
competitive you know even for data centers and we haven't heard very much about uh Apple building its own data
15:15
centers with its own silicon have we there was some rumors I think last year but I don't think that there's I haven't
15:20
heard any news recently but of course you know like with with power um this is you know Apple silicon is going to be
15:28
uh is competitive with with even Nvidia's most powerful chips which I I thought was kind of mindboggling
15:34
I mean, that's been the story of Apple Silicon. Like, yeah, you can still buy an Intel powered PC with more raw performance, but Apple always focuses on
15:41
performance per watt, which is why they're able to make laptops with like 16 hour, 24-hour battery life. And I
15:47
think as I think the the the broader AI bubble maybe maybe it doesn't burst but
15:53
like you know slowly brings itself back down to reality I'll say you know we're not going to see as many like you know
15:59
10 billion dollar investments in data centers because that that won't be as profitable. Apple is focusing on, you
16:04
know, running AI locally on device and performance per watt is incredibly important for that. And these things uh uh you know, I mean,
16:12
iPhones and and Macs, they're running rings around um anything you can get on the uh on the uh Windows side, aren't
16:18
they? Mhm. It's um it's cool stuff. Yeah, I think pretty fascinating these uh these chips.
16:25
Uh let's talk about the first product that this is going to be put into uh the 14-inch MacBook Pro, which gets the M5.
16:32
What why don't you tell us about that, Leo Louis? Yeah, so it's just the new chip, no new design. Uh it's funny you start talking
16:40
about all these comparisons and it's like compare this to this chip, this to that chip. Uh Apple says M5 model can
16:45
finish AI tasks. 3.5 times faster than M4 and uh and here we go. Massive 6x GPU
16:53
boost over the M1. Why go back to that? I never understand. Anyway, uh I
17:00
look better. It seems to me like this was stat here was different from what you actually
17:06
said, Griffin. Uh they call a 10 core CPU, the world's fastest CPU core, and
17:11
that they this story from our website says it delivers 20% faster
17:16
multi-threaded performance in M4. I think it actually might vary per product they put it in to some degree.
17:22
Is that per which model you get like Yeah. Okay. Uh let's see. Uh a speed
17:29
boost extends to the SSD in the computer with uh 2x faster performance.
17:34
That's a big that's an important stat there, right? Isn't it? That's wild. I mean 2x
17:40
Yeah. Crazy. Uh you you can configure the machine up to 4 terabytes of storage. That's
17:46
awesome. Uh let's see. They're going to be available beginning you can already
17:51
pre-order them, but they they're going to be in stores and get delivered on October 22nd. That's next week.
17:57
Uh starting price remains unchanged at $1599. That gets you 16 GB of system
18:02
memory and 512 GB of storage. Uh they have not yet taken off the M4
18:10
Pro and M4 Max versions. Those are still available. So uh you know maybe if you want the super powerful laptop, you you
18:17
have probably we're going to next spring when those will get upgraded. Yeah, this squares the rumors of, oh,
18:23
there's going to be a MacBook Pro in the fall and there's going to be MacBook Pros in the spring. You know, some of these MacBook Pros were delayed, some of
18:29
them aren't. Like, uh, apparently they're just releasing at different times. So, this is only the entry level
18:34
MacBook Pro. There there's no M5 Pro, no M5 Max, and that's coming later.
18:39
And those things are going to be crazy screams, aren't they? Because I saw something on uh Twitter saying that the fastest Apple chip right now is the M3
18:47
Ultra, I think. Right. That that's kind of an interesting point. Apple's Apple's now spreading their products across like
18:53
three different generations. They have the the the the latest entry- level M5, but they have the M4 Pro and M4 Max, but
19:00
then if you buy a Mac Studio, you can get an M3 Ultra. And I think you can still buy a Mac Pro with an M2 in it.
19:06
So, they're they're all across the board. But, um Well, the Ultra and the Max versions of the M5 are going to be crazy fast,
19:12
aren't they? They're going to be like just insane. Mhm. But, you know, the the Ultra chip,
19:17
the M3 Ultra is the fastest if you happen to be doing a task that can be like parallelized by by your computer
19:24
across all of its different cores. Um, but that that is not how how most people work. So,
19:30
no, no, no, no. Unless you're running an an LLM locally or uh MidJourney or some
19:36
other kind of like, you know, diffusion model. I haven't Have you actually loaded a a um any kind of LLM? Have you tried
19:42
playing around with anything on on your the local system? Um, no. I I don't really have a particularly impressive
19:48
system for that. Right. You don't I'm not a big fan of AI. Yeah. Yeah. I forgot about that.
19:57
The people who leave reviews on iTunes have not. Right. Yeah. Maybe we'll talk about that later on when we when we talk about the
20:03
uh uh we get to the reader question. Um so Apple Yeah. So the the other product
20:09
let's move on to the iPad Pro. So, the iPad Pro gets the end uh M5 processor and just like the MacBook, uh it's
20:15
basically the same. It's the primary change is the the the M5 chip. Uh what
20:21
didn't happen is kind of interesting. No second camera on the front. Uh widely rumored that it was going to get that
20:27
didn't. In fact, but the Russian within the Russian leaks, one of the Russian leaks, remember that the Russian leakers
20:32
thing, one of them uh one of them I think claimed that it did have a camera. So, uh anyway, they were wrong. I was
20:39
waiting for that. But the other the other guy said, "Yeah, there's no second camera." Right. And everybody's go, "How can that be? It's
20:45
supposed to be happening." Mhm. Turns out he was right. Duh. Nah.
20:51
Net net camera. Uh the good news is that all everything all the you know the cases for the iPad
20:58
Pro, they're still compatible. The M5 version, the Apple Magic Keyboard still compatible with this version, too. So, you know, all nice and backwards and
21:04
capable. So, it gets the same 15% improvement in multi-threaded performance over the M4.
21:09
Third generation rate tracing engine offers one point one and a half times faster 3D rendering and rate tracing
21:15
than the previous iPad Pro. Again, artificial intelligent performance is up to three times uh three and a half times
21:20
faster than the M4. Uh and this is unusual for Apple anyway. They um now you know how much RAM is
21:27
included in the newest tablets. And this is actually in the store too, isn't it? You know, so when you go to buy it, when you try to configure it, it'll tell you
21:33
how much RAM. Apple never used to do this. Uh where are we? So yeah, 12 12 GB of unified memory. Um, and that's a 50%
21:40
increase for the 256 GB and the 512 GB variants. But if you bump it up to one
21:47
or two terabytes, um, you get more RAM. Mhm. Right. Uh, how much is it?
21:54
16 GB. 16 gigabytes. 16 gigabytes. So if you bump it up, uh, the storage options are
21:59
the same. It's um uh you get 256 and 512 plus you get one tabby and two terabyte
22:05
uh configurations. Again, the access is faster memory access. You get two two times faster
22:11
storage read and write speeds. That's no that's not too shabby right there. Um but if you want the actual maximum
22:19
iPad Pro performance, you've got to step up uh to the bigger uh storage options.
22:26
I'm getting confused here with all these notes. It's weird because Apple doesn't uh let
22:32
you configure an iPad the same way you can configure a MacBook Pro. You can't allocart cheese more memory or the CPU
22:39
cores the same way you can on the Mac. So, if you want the higher the maximum performance, the unbended chip, you have
22:46
to upgrade to one or two terabytes of storage. If you get the 256 or the 512 GB versions, you get one less
22:52
performance core, but you know, the same 10 GPU cores. How how big a difference do you think that makes? very little.
23:00
I can't imagine it makes very much difference at all. You know, especially on an iPad where like, you know,
23:05
only recently you've been able to run apps like Final Cut Pro or Logic Pro. I I can't imagine a lot of people would
23:11
really be noticing Flappy Bird and Netflix and uh although the amount of the amount of
23:16
memory that you have in your iPad does affect how many windows you can have open in the new windowing mode before it
23:22
stops starts to like silently kill them in the background. So, that that's something you would notice.
23:27
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, the lower storage tiers get uh only 12 gigabytes of RAM and only nine
23:34
CPU cores, but the one and two terabyte options get 16 GB of RAM. And also the
23:41
ability to uh option it with the nanoexture glass. That option is only available on the expensive ones as well,
23:47
right? Yeah. And that's 100 bucks more. So, I looked at the I went and looked at the store. So the ter the the one terabyte version without the nano Texas
23:54
glass and Wi-Fi only is like 1,900 bucks 1,899 which you know that's a pretty penny for
24:01
an iPad. Um but I mean look what you're getting. That's a crazy powerful machine. Um if you want to get the
24:07
nanoextured glass with Wi-Fi and cellular that's 2,200. That's for one terabyte. And then that I maxed out the,
24:14
you know, the what's the most money you can spend and that's a two terbyte model with nanoexture glass and Wi-Fi and
24:20
cellular. That's 2,600 bucks. I know before tax, that's a lot of money
24:26
for an iPad. But, you know, I mean, I've been using my my iPad's been running for what, six years now? Six, seven years. So, you're going to get a lot of a lot
24:33
of use out of it. I mean, Matt Burcher pointed this out in Apple's lead image of the of the press
24:38
release. They show the iPad attached to the Magic Keyboard like framed at an angle where if you show this to like
24:44
anybody who isn't intimately familiar with the Apple product lineup, they would think, "Oh, that's a picture of a laptop." And they even have it like
24:50
shown with, you know, like 10 different windows of different sizes overlapping on the screen. Like
24:56
Apple is very clearly positioning the iPad Pro as like, "Yeah, it's expensive for a laptop. It's not expensive for a
25:02
computer. Like this is basically a MacBook that you're buying." Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And lots of shots with
25:09
the keyboard too as well, isn't it? Yeah. I mean, definitely definitely a pro machine. Definitely a pro machine. I still haven't, you know, like I don't
25:15
know. It'll be interesting. We should do a poll in the newsletter to find out like how many people use an I the only person I know is Ed Hardy uh uses uses
25:23
an iPad for work. And of course, you know, he's one of the cult writers. Um uh but he's been a dedicated iPad um you
25:30
know, as his main machine for for years and years now. And he swears by the thing. But I I I you know, I I got to
25:36
look into it. I'd be kind of curious to know like if you know what kind of workflows are people using iPad Pros for
25:42
and uh and how many people are using them but I there obviously is a market right Apple keeps on pumping these things out there they're definitely
25:47
selling these things so there definitely are people are using them but uh I mean most people I know stick to their Mac I
25:52
think or their MacBook um and the good news is if you get the nano texture glass you also get you get a free
25:58
polishing cloth which and everyone everyone was noticing as well like oh it's been updated to you know now it's
26:05
compatible with the with the M5 you know cuz Apple updated on its website. Yeah, I mean I if I had the money I
26:12
would love one of these things. I would love one. But uh beautiful beautiful machine. So thin. Really really really
26:20
well made. Absolely. Have you played with them in the stores? I mean obviously not the new ones but the M4 ones. I did. Yeah. I just went and checked
26:26
them out. Yeah. Yeah. Lovely. Absolutely lovely. I hate going to the Apple store. Oh my god. You know, it's like oh no. Look at that that I can't afford. Look
26:31
at that other thing I can't I'll never get it. But yeah, they're so thin and and uh
26:37
so nicely made. And of course, you know, the it's a great great device, isn't it? I And I've tried using it. I mean, I
26:44
tried myself actually a few times to try to use it for work. And and there's always like some stupid little thing
26:49
that is incompatible like in our CMS, you know, with WordPress. Something won't work. It wouldn't fill out this
26:55
one particular um field or something like that. It was always some dumb really tiny minor stupid little thing
27:02
that styid the workflow. Um, and so I never adopted it. Like, you know, maybe I should try that again to see if I
27:08
could actually get away with using an iPad uh for for my workflow, which isn't that demanding. You know, it's it's all
27:13
kind of web- based, browser based, not doing anything really, you know, crazy on it. But, uh, uh, I like to try it
27:20
again. And like I always actually I bought a um I've got my iPad mini here, which I hardly ever use, but I bought a
27:26
little tiny keyboard for it, which um I I got to start using. Do you remember the old Revo? Well, I don't know if you
27:32
ever uh this probably before your Tying Griffin, but it was a tiny little PDA, like a you know, a personal digital
27:38
assistant. Like it was a a rival of the Palm Pilot, but it came with a little tiny keyboard. The keyboard was only
27:44
about, I don't know, six, seven inches wide, so you had to like pack on this thing with your fingers, but it was so
27:50
cute and it had a brilliant design where it would it would fold up on itself. Oh, yeah. Uh
27:56
uh of course it was completely useless for anything really and the software was horrible. But um the form factor was
28:02
always so attractive. It was like oh it's like a really little tiny little mini laptop you can actually literally slip into your pocket. Um and I was
28:10
definitely curious to see if the mini could do the same thing. I'm sure it'll be an exercise and frustration but um I'll give it a try. Let's thank our
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29:45
important news, the real highlight of the show, the one's been waiting for. This is where Griffin is going to tell us about the um M5 Vision Pro.
29:53
Sure. So, it has the uh new M5 chip. I was curious if they were going to revive
29:58
the or revise the R1 chip, the the chip that handles all the u you know camera inputs and all that, but no, it's the
30:04
same R1 chip as before, just the new M5 chip. So, this is interesting. You know,
30:10
people are wondering like what what is the Vision Pro going to do with the extra power? Is they just, you know, only updating it to update it so they
30:15
don't have to keep making M2s? But, uh, here we go. With the extra power, the displays render 10% more pixels on the
30:23
micro OLED displays compared to the previous generation, resulting in a sharper image and crisper text and more
30:29
detailed visuals. It also has a boosted frame rate, so it now goes up to 120 Hz.
30:34
So that reduces the amount of motion blur that it has to do when you know users look at their physical surroundings because right now the
30:40
vision pro I think it only goes up to 90 hertz because it has to drive like you know over 8K of pixels and do all this
30:47
complicated camera mixing and stuff like that. So it's understandable that they can't push that many pixels at that
30:53
resolution especially with like all the fiated rendering that they have to do to you know increase the resolution around
30:58
your eyes. So yeah. So, I saw some discussion about this like people were saying, "Oh, you know, maybe the the screens have been upgraded, but they haven't, have they?
31:04
They're the they're the same 4K OLED uh Sony screen." So, it's a little bit I
31:09
think Apple's just doing a little bit of, you know, number not manipulation, but I mean, it's not the only thing
31:15
I I think what this means is they're increasing the area of pixels on the screen that are perfectly clear. like
31:21
you know they they have the same displays in them but you know now when you look in your eye like more of the area around where you're looking will be
31:27
perfect will be clearer and it'll be in higher resolution right because this is to do with folia foliated uh whatever it's called
31:33
rendering right because it's only um rendering in higher resolution the part that you're actually looking at everything else in your peripheral
31:39
vision is is is at a lower pixel density right so um so you get 10% more clarity in that
31:46
tiny little area that you're actually actively looking at Yeah. And there is more wiggle room. Like, you know, you
31:52
can, if you, you know, tilt your head in a certain way and you're looking at like, you know, a line that's only
31:57
supposed to be drawn like a couple pixels high, you can see like where the pixels begin and end because it'll like,
32:02
you know, step down on like a slightly jagged edge or, you know, you look at text and in Safari, you can't make text
32:09
as small as it would be like if you were just reading it on a computer or on your phone because the Vision Pro does have a
32:15
lot of wiggle room to to be clearer. Like, it's not a perfectly clear display. So, I'll be really curious to
32:21
see how how big of a difference this makes. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're going to get one and we're going to test it out. So,
32:26
we're doing a review, right, Griffin? Oh, yeah. Yes. Um, the new model promises quote an even
32:32
smoother experience when using Mac virtual display thanks to the uh resolution and frame rate increases. Um,
32:38
probably because it's driven at 120 hertz now. So, if you have a Mac display with a prootion, like a MacBook Pro, it
32:46
it'll probably be, you know, going at the full 120, which is an improvement. I don't know. They don't really specify
32:52
what that means, but that's what I assume it means. So, we'll see. Uh, the battery life has increased. The old
32:59
model claimed two hours of battery life. The new one, thanks to the M5, has 2 and 1/2 hours of mixed usage and 3 hours of
33:06
video playback. And people were actually like comparing these. If you buy a replacement battery on apple.com, the
33:14
battery itself hasn't changed. If you buy a replacement battery, it still says like those specs for, you
33:19
know, two hours on the original one, two and a half hours on the new one. So, that is all thanks to the M5.
33:24
That's crazy, isn't it? That's a That's a huge increase, isn't it? Just thanks to the chip. I'm surprised. Yeah. Like an extra 25% more battery.
33:30
That's crazy. Yeah, Matt. Uh but the big difference comes down to the design. Um the the headset itself is
33:39
mostly unchanged, but it comes with a new dual knit band that combines the best of both bands that they offered
33:45
with the original one. So, and Apple's marketing images, you know, you're all familiar with like, you know, the the
33:50
the solo knit band, the stretchy one, the one that looks really cool. I always think it looks kind of like a like an astronaut equipment or something like
33:57
that. The one that's in all the marketing images. That's not the one that most people use. Most people use the um I
34:02
don't I remember what they call it, the the CPAP strap. Yeah. Yeah. the the Velcro band. It's like a Velcro
34:09
band that has like, you know, a a thin little strap around the back and one that goes on top. And I don't like it. It's kind of finicky. Um it's kind of
34:16
annoying to put on and take off. It's not super easy to use like the the Solo knit band. Well, now the dual knit band
34:23
uh combines the best of both worlds. It's basically a solo knit band in back, but it has an a second, you know,
34:29
matching stretchy strap that goes over the top of your head as well. And and this is really clever. They have um they
34:36
they've re-engineered the fit dial, the little simple little dial you can spin. You can still spin it to tighten it in
34:42
the back or you can pop it out and spin it and it'll tighten it on top. So now it it does both, which is pretty cool.
34:50
Very nice. Yeah, that engineering in that band is crazy. They put tungsten in it, didn't they? To to balance it, to
34:56
counterweight the the weight of the Vision Pro on your face. So it's got more weight. It's got tungsten inserts
35:01
in the back now to try and, you know, pull your head back. Oh, I didn't know about that. That's cool.
35:07
And it's that's why people were saying there's a weight increase. There's actually a weight increase. And that's what that's due mostly, I think, to the
35:12
um to the tungsten inserts. Huh. Yeah, that that makes sense. Um I I had heard about that that they were
35:17
inserting tungsten into it. But uh that'll explain it because that is that is something that that stood out to me. The new one is something like 23%
35:25
heavier than the old one. Like not a small increase in weight, a pretty notable increase in weight. Yeah, that's
35:30
what everyone wanted, an even heavier headset. Yeah, but apparently it's more more balanced now. So,
35:35
that'll be an interesting thing to to test out. Yeah. Um, and it's worth noting that the uh the the the dual knit band is
35:42
backwards compatible with the old one. They didn't change the connector at all. So, you can buy the dual knit band for just $99 and you can get it on your
35:48
original Vision Pro. So, that's pretty nice. Um, they didn't they didn't touch
35:54
the price at all. They didn't touch the specs at all. So, it's still 34.99 for 256 gigabytes of storage. I was hoping
36:02
at least Apple would, you know, tweak one or the other, like, you know, double your storage or lower the price a little
36:08
bit, but it doesn't seem like they're interested in that at this time. So, really what I'm what I'm seeing from
36:14
this is this is a just a revised product for the people who still have yet to buy
36:21
a Vision Pro who want to. They're they're not they're not seeking to get any original Vision Pro owners to
36:26
upgrade, you know, to the upgrade from the M2 to the M5. This is like, you know, if anybody hasn't yet bought a
36:32
Vision Pro, if they happen to buy one this year or next year, they'll happen to get a faster one. Yeah. Right. No one's No one's going to
36:38
upgrade. I mean, everyone's going to buy the Nitband. That's it. Our current current owners,
36:43
uh, they now have the their their fancy new 40 watt dynamic power adapter in the
36:49
box that dynamically goes up to 60 watts. when it's running at peak performance. Uh the Zeiss optical
36:55
inserts, I'm pretty sure are are still compatible. I checked on Apple's website, you know, they this is actually worth noting. In a lot of areas, Apple
37:02
doesn't mention that there are two versions of the Vision Pro. They're not calling this the Vision Pro 2. They don't call this Vision Pro parenthesis
37:10
M5. Uh there are a lot of areas where they only they still only call it Vision
37:15
Pro. So, this is really like Vision Pro 1.5 or you know Vision Pro that happens to include an M5 inside of it. Like they
37:22
if you go to the um Apple Store website and look at the and you expand the little compatibility tab on any of the
37:29
Vision Pro accessories, it just says compatible with Vision Pro and it doesn't even mention that there are two
37:35
of them. So, have they have they um stopped selling the old one now?
37:40
They have stopped selling the old one. The rumors say that they stopped manufacturing the old one a while ago and were just selling through their
37:46
inventory of it, but um one at a time. Yeah. When I was actually at the Apple store
37:52
picking up my iPhone, I noticed there was nobody getting um demos. I mean, you know, weird day for it, but
37:58
I I thought the exact same thing. They got it positioned right there at the entrance of that Union Square one, you know, Giant Vision Pro. Well, not I mean
38:06
on a poll, right? A couple of them. And it's just like nobody's at all even looking at them or anything else.
38:11
They're just like sitting there. People are coming up and like filling out receipts and and whatever on on the
38:17
table. That's a shame. It's a shame because that's, you know, it's a great demo. It's it's absolutely magical. I was
38:23
totally blown away with it, you know, when they the 30 minutes where they um they walk you through it and it's free.
38:28
I mean, it's it's absolutely superb. It's it's totally fun. Uh everyone should be doing it and especially at
38:34
Apple Union store, Union Square. I mean, that thing is full of tourists and it's packed night and day. I'm surprised that
38:40
no people aren't taking advantage of that. I'm surprised that tourists don't do it, you know, like uh like because it's like a a free 30 minute VR extravaganza,
38:48
right? I mean, you you could you could see like down in Fisherman's War if they could charge you, you know, 20 bucks for it, right? Yeah.
38:55
I mean, the other thing is if there if there's like an immersive video that sounds interesting to you, any of the listeners, go to an Apple store and see
39:01
if you can just watch it. They're not that long. They're usually under 30 minutes. That's kind of the problem I have with it. But
39:07
you could probably stay there all day. Yeah. Yeah. They're they're sitting there all day if there's nobody else, you know, having an appointment booked, which
39:12
there probably won't be. You can probably just watch a whole immersive video on it. Um I I recommend that any
39:18
any listeners uh who want to try it out. So all the accessories for the old Vision Pro are still compatible with the
39:24
new one. They it still comes with almost everything the same in the box. So this is very much like the same product
39:30
except with a better chip in it. Right. I was I was kind of shocked by that battery life statistic. I mean I didn't
39:36
realize just how I mean like you can't get through like some movies on the
39:42
battery right right now. Like I mean a lot of movies are over two and a half hours long. Yeah. I mean the truth is that almost
39:48
all the time when you're watching a movie sitting in a Vision Pro you're plugged in sitting down stationary. You can just
39:53
have it plugged in anyways. I only ever unplug the Vision Pro if, you know, I'm, you know, actually in the middle of
39:59
something and I don't want to take it off when I walk over to the kitchen to fill up my water or, you know, make
40:04
lunch. Don't you wear it when you're washing up? Yeah. I don't really use the battery on it too often. And if I do, it's only for
40:11
like an hour or so at a time because I'm only, you know, ever not sitting down for an hour or so at a time.
40:16
It's Sorry, I apologize. Oh, there's a cat. I'm having a weird AI experience
40:22
here because the cat was right in front of me and it wasn't showing up on the camera. Like somehow the camera was blocking out
40:29
the cat. Well, now you can see the cat. Come on, get over here. Oh my god. There we go. Great. Stepping on the keyboard.
40:35
I thought we were going to get the old oneeyed shot. Oh my god,
40:40
that's a lovely cat. I'm going to come over and steal it. He's uh he's a fun cat. I'll tell you
40:46
that. I've never had a cat be so freaking energetic. A cult cat, you could say.
40:52
Yeah, right. All right. Well, I apologize, Griffin. I totally ruined your um your question.
40:58
Yeah. This question comes from Griffin via the cult. What are we all buying? Are we buying anything?
41:04
Well, I know what I'm I'm buying one thing and one thing. I would like to buy the MacBook Pro. I would like to buy the
41:10
iPad Pro. And I in fact, I'd like to buy the Vision Pro, too. But, uh, I think I'm only going to buy one thing, which is the Vision Pro, uh, dual knit band,
41:18
if I can get one. Although I I I saw I haven't checked out the store, but I that's already backorded, I believe, back into November already.
41:24
Oh my god. Really? I think so. Yeah, I'll have to go down to the store. Maybe I'll go down. Apple must have thought, oh, you know, I
41:30
guess we're not selling a lot of these Vision Pros. We don't have to stock a lot of these. And they didn't account for the fact that everybody's going to
41:35
want to buy the dual knit band. Yeah. Right. Yeah. They they've sold out of all 10 of them that they set aside for that.
41:41
What are you So, what are you going to get, Griffin? Uh, I'll be buying the the the new M5 Vision Pro for the purposes of a review.
41:48
I'm really curious to to try that out. See if I can notice a difference in the in the optical quality. Test it out. Um,
41:54
I'm curious. I'm not sure I'll be keeping it, but uh yeah, I'm I'm going
42:00
to try that out. Looking forward to it. Cool. What about you, Louis? Lewis, you've got a you've got a pretty ancient M1 MacBook Air. Are you tempted
42:07
by any of your products? I mean, I am tempted when I especially every time that I uh, you know, have a bunch of
42:12
tabs open and it kind of grinds to a halt. Chrome tabs, by the way, not Safari tabs. Safari tabs, no problem.
42:18
Chrome tabs the thing. Uh, yeah. I mean, no, I'm not going to I'm
42:24
not going to go buy a MacBook Pro right now. This is getting This thing is still just fine, you know, for what I do.
42:30
Almost everything is just fine. Is there anything in particular that you're waiting for? Like maybe the M5 MacBook Air, which will be a little
42:35
cheaper or No. And in fact, I I've been thinking lately like if the next laptop, maybe
42:41
I'll go for a Pro because I wouldn't mind having a little bit more uh IO stuff, especially with all this podcast
42:47
crap going on, you know? It's like I mean, I'm actually starting to use some of the you know, well, I'm I'm I'm
42:54
actually starting to see a use for some more advanced hardware. But, uh, not an iPad, though. You tend to buy an
42:59
iPad, an iPad Pro or MacBook Pro? I mean, no. Yeah, MacBook Pro. iPad. I I
43:05
almost bought one of the um entry level iPads the other day when it was on sale during uh Prime days just because I
43:11
would like to have a good functional iPad that I could take when I'm traveling or whatever. Uh but daily use, I just I just don't
43:19
use the iPad. I use the Mac all day and and the iPhone, those two things. I don't really feel a need for an iPad. I
43:25
don't it doesn't fit into my workflow at all. I've never tried using one with a um a mouse which might make it a lot
43:33
more useful for but I don't know man it seems like there's always something that
43:39
has to it requires a Mac. It way easier on a Mac. I and trying to like do pro
43:45
work on a an iPad without a mouse. I can't even I It's so diff I have such a
43:51
hard time just copying the exact bit of text I want out of all the different apps, you know? It it it drives me
43:57
utterly mad when I'm trying sometimes to do something without using a keyboard to just use the the phone. I don't know why
44:04
it's so fidgety, but I mean and it seems like now even more like more and more apps it's difficult to copy the exact
44:12
text you want using touch. It's it's really uncanny when you have it in the magic keyboard because it does
44:17
just feel so much like a Mac. you know, it it types and has the trackpad of a
44:22
Mac, but then you don't have a finder and you don't have a clipboard manager and it's like what? And you don't have like, you know, that one app that, you
44:28
know, you use all the time like Pixelmator Pro or something like that. Is Pixelmator Pro that's that's Mac
44:34
only. Pixelmator Pro. Yeah. Yeah. It honestly surprised me when I when I was testing the M3 iPad
44:40
Air. I was like surprised that it wasn't on the iPad, but you know, now that Apple bought it, who knows what'll happen. Uh, Leander,
44:46
your your iPad is um the the 2018 iPad Pro. It's going on seven years old now.
44:51
How do you keep track of all this crap? I don't even know what your My iPad game is, let alone lean.
44:56
I could I could barely remember that myself. Yeah, everybody in the world bought a 2018 iPad Pro. If you just assume someone has
45:02
it, you're probably right. It's still It's still fine for what I do, but you know, that's basically
45:07
reading, um, social media, watching videos, no content production at all. I
45:13
mean, I did try using it uh last year to do some stuff uh on the web, but again,
45:19
you know, like like Lewis said, there's a couple of things didn't work, so I gave it up in frustration and went back to the Mac.
45:24
Uh you I I've got so many, you know, like I don't know it it mainly laziness. I've got a I've got a MacBook and
45:30
sitting right in front of me. I'm using a Mac Studio. I've got a Mac book Air here, which I haven't opened for for
45:35
months actually because uh I've been, you know, working on my desktop. I have an I have an office a co a co co-working
45:41
space where I have an iMac. So I don't you know I'm all in on the uh uh on the Mac really. Uh and you know I'm not I'm
45:49
not there's no shortage of machines. Uh so I don't not forced to use it. You know it's it's just like the kind of
45:54
laziness. You know I got to force myself. Okay I'm finally going to force myself to to to use the iPad Pro for
46:00
work. And I'm sure they actually, you know, with a new uh iOS 20 iPad OS 26
46:05
with a new windowing scheme and with a magic keyboard, I'll bet it'll be fine. I bet it would be okay. And you know,
46:11
you can always use like I think there was problems with WordPress when in it
46:16
was either Safari or Chrome. It wouldn't fill in certain fields. Um, and that was
46:21
constant headache. But I think switching the browser fixed that. So I I don't
46:27
think there'd be any impediments to it. But I should definitely go back to it. Why? And well, why try? You have a Mac that does the
46:34
job perfectly well. Why try to I mean, frankly, why even waste the the neurons
46:39
just trying to learn something new? I don't know. Just to just to torture myself, just to make it harder, just to
46:46
make things more difficult, you know, as if I don't have enough headaches. I just for curiosity, I think. Mostly
46:52
for curiosity. Like cuz there was one time when I was when I first got that iPad like when I bought that Pro cuz that thing was expensive and um I was
46:59
like okay. Yeah. Yeah. You know like I was you know how you how you how you justified in your mind like
47:05
you really just want it. You have this you know and then you try to you rationalize it. So you my
47:11
rationalization was okay I'm going to use this for work. And even the liar sensor because I think it was one of the
47:17
first models with a liar sensor and I was like I'm gonna use the lidar sensor. So, I got to I'm going to 3D scan
47:22
everything, you know, whatever. Cuz I haven't used I was going to say, when was the last time you used the LAR single time?
47:27
I don't think they even put LAR sensors on the iPads anymore. I think it's just the iPhone
47:32
really. Oh, okay. Who would know? I did I did try to map a room actually. I I downloaded some 3D application.
47:39
Those things are awful, though. Like you Oh, it's free with inapp purchases. So, um you scan your room and then it won't
47:45
save unless you pay $250 or something for the for the pro app version. It was
47:50
some kind of awful ripoff. But yeah, that that, you know, I was trying to rationalize it. So I was I was like, "Okay, I'm going to I'm going to use
47:55
this is going to be my work machine. This is the reason I'm going to use it." And of course, you know, seven years later, it it uh it um you know, it's
48:02
it's by it's by my bed and I just use it to look at Twitter. They are amazing devices and it is shocking all the ways people use them. I
48:09
mean, we did this gig this weekend and and the sound guys walk around the stage with his iPad, you know, like, "Oh, what
48:15
do you want in your monitor?" "Oh, okay. puts, you know, it it's like what a great use case for an iPad, right? He he
48:21
doesn't have to sit at the at the soundboard and move the things. He just
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do it all right on the iPad. I mean, this is not new, but it was it was the first time in a while that I've seen
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somebody using one and uh you know, it was kind of a big stage and big PA and
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everything. It was like super obvious when I said, "Oh, I could use some bass in the monitor." He's like, "Oh, boom."
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You know, and then he starts EQing it right from the thing. It was all just it was just seamless
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right there on stage with you guys. Yeah, he's standing right beside me, you know, and uh asking what I want in my monitor and just
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yeah, just dials it right in. I mean, I didn't I don't know that I ever noticed anybody eqing something that quickly and
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easily, you know, and bringing it up. It was again not not a brand new uh example of
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of this in use, but it it it is a perfect example of how an iPad can be
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awesome. All right. Definitely. Definitely. I mean, you hear about realters, real estate agents and and uh airline pilots,
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you know, they have those manuals all all loaded up onto a little tiny iPad. Now, anybody with any kind of mobile job, because we're planted in front of
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the computer all day, every day, you know, that's not so much use for, is it? But anyone with a mobile job, I'm sure it it comes in really useful.
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Yeah. Yeah. And it's a lot it's it's harder, isn't it, than than a than a than a laptop. I mean, it's hard it's
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probably harder to to break. Well, I don't know about that. I mean, you drop it just right, you're going to
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destroy it. But, uh, I I I mean, it's it's a one-handed you you know, you can't use a laptop
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with two hands. You got to have a, you know, a lap or a desk. I So, I mean, that's why it's that's why
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it's awesome for mobile stuff. It's Yeah. All right. Well, the other news this week was
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was this this new Steve Jobs coin. We're going to make this this should have been the headline of this week.
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Actually, you're right. Yeah, this is the headline. We're gonna uh but you know, I don't know if anyone saw this. Um they're going to be minting a Steve
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Jobs coin. Why don't you tell us about this? Okay, so it's a $1 coin coming from the US Mint. It's part of uh the American
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Innovation $1 coin program. And uh each year they come up with like four
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different people or people or innovations that they're going to honor.
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And uh like I saying it could be a person that did something or it could be a particular product like so this next
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year 2026 uh they've got four coming out. One of them is Steve Jobs, one of
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them is the Cray one supercomputer. One of them is uh Norman Borlo
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uh an aronomist from Iowa and the other is mobile refrigeration
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and and each one of these has you know comes from a certain state. The Steve Jobs one is from California. It was uh I
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guess Gavin Newsome uh nominated Steve Jobs for for the uh position on this
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thing you know and it is a it's a great honor to be uh coined turned into a coin I suppose. Um, I was not though. I don't
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think Steve Jobs would have been all that excited about the actual design of the coin. Uh, if you sit and stare at
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it, look at it. Uh, I don't know if you could possibly show people what it looks like, but uh, click the link in the show notes if
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you're curious. Oh my god. So, it's what appears to be Ellen Degenerous wearing a turtleneck.
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I'm not wrong. Right. It looks like Ellen Degenerous. Uh, you know, and it's, uh, sitting in
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sort of a Steve Jobs, you know, cross-legged pose like, oh, I'm a hippie. Um there there's a famous
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picture of him like photographed in his in his home like with an original Macintosh in that pose and you know
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about the same age and something but they didn't include there's several photographs of him sitting in that lotus position. There's one of him in his empty mansion when he
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l the jackling mansion where there's no furniture and there's like a mattress on the floor and a and a Tiffany lamp I
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think that and it's it's based a little bit on that and it's a little bit of the the Mac one too and a little bit um of
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some there's another early Mac one because his hands are in a certain position. Mhm. Um which I which looked like they were
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taken from another early picture of one of the Macs. But yeah, it does it doesn't. And of course, he's got he's
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some unfortunate moves too if you which once you see it, you can't unsee it.
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The the hair is not right. The jowls are not right. The He looks punchy. Uh he's
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sitting on a I don't know. Is it like a area of grass or a piece of rock or a flying carpet? I can't tell what it is.
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Uh with you know lovely California rolling hills in the background. Uh, I
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got to say Steve Jobs would not approve of this. Well, it we should be um it might be the
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photograph. You know, there was only issue one photograph and and of course, you know, the weather the lighting maybe maybe it would look a bit better. I'm
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just saying there there would be a story of him like phoning up Gavin Newsome from his Mercedes convertible angry like
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yelling on the phone. I looked up the credits, you know, the sculptor the the the woman who design
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who made it who sculpted it um has has dozens and dozens of credits. She's designed dozens and dozens of coins
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going back, you know, many many years. So, um she's, you know, definitely not a
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newbie. Yeah, there's like an artist and a sculptor. I mean I and granted making a
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uh coin, you know, I'm sure that's not the simplest task. Uh and what do I know about it? I don't know anything about
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the challenges of producing a coin. I just know that that just doesn't look like Steve Jobs. But I do know what Steve Jobs looks like
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and it doesn't look like that. Uh if you look at the other ones though, like the Crayon supercomputer has a
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super cool design. That's for Wisconsin. I I love the look of that coin. and the, you know, the guy with the, you know,
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Norman Borlag with the uh shocks of wheat or whatever, you know. I mean,
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that that's fine. That looks looks like any other coin, right? Of course. Maybe that doesn't actually look like him either. Yeah. How do you know it looks like him?
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I'd have no idea. I was also I was disappointed with the Minnesota one. It's uh the mobile refrigeration. It's
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got a truck with like a old school kind of refrigerator unit on the top back. And on the side of the truck, it's got
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all these things that can be refrigerated like cheese and carrots and ice cream and pills
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and no beer. I mean, come on. It's it's it's right. And from Minnesota, too. I mean, there's
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a whole bunch of storage brands, aren't there, from from that part of the world. I mean, not as many as Wisconsin, but still. Uh that's probably why they did
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it. They didn't want to get confused with Wisconsin, but I don't know. The whole thing was kind of nuts. the front
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of the coins uh or I I guess the obverse. I can't even remember what the these things mean, but uh that's very
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classic design. Statue of Liberty and God we trust. Of course, it does also have all these weird little uh
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annotations on it, you know, like there's a I can't remember what they call them, but apparently that changes
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every year. They release four of these things each year. Um uh so this comes out in 2026. Probably going to be $1325
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for the $1.2, isn't it? You had to buy a $1 coin. How much does the $1 coin cost? $13.25.
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And they also sell like uh you know collectible bundles or whatever with like four proofs or four whatever of
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this or that. So uh that's something to look forward to if you're a Steve Jobs fan who doesn't care that it doesn't
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look like him. How do I how big is it? Is it is it like
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I don't you know what I don't think I saw that information in the the press release. I don't know exactly what the size it looks I mean I I suppose there's
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no a quarter I thought I thought it looked like about the size of a quarter but then a silver dollar is much bigger so who knows
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does it say I don't think it said in the press release I might actually have one in my pocket not not a Steve Jobs one but a dollar
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coin you got a $2 bill in the other pocket why do you have a dollar coin
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yeah it's a $1 uh and it's got um strange amount to just have in your
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pocket But yeah. Yeah, it is. I I don't know why I have it in my pocket to be honest because I think I stole it from um
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Yeah, I think it's Eisenhower. There's no name on it and it's got the Liberty Bell on the back
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and it actually says um 1776 to 1976. A silver dollar. So it's Yeah. Oh, is it just a silver
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dollar? Yeah. And that Well, here it is compared to a quarter. I've never seen such a thing before. So
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this is actually kind of common. Really? Well, they're not common. They're cool.
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I love I love silver dollars. What sorts of junk pieces? You got any of those laying around?
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What? Well, actually, I've got this thing. What is this? Oh, no. It's just a quarter.
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I can't remember why I got it. I um I think it's from my mother-in-law. I think she had some coins in a box and um
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And you remember she had them, so I pocketed it. Numismatics with Leander King.
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read of feedback we got from last week? Sure. I I've got a I've got a new title.
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According to one of our listeners, I am now I I am now arbiter of culture and
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morality. Wow. Most of the time Griffin's pretentiousness is annoying and
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fleeting. When he gets on his high horse and acts as the arbiter of culture and morality, I find him insufferable. One
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star. Oh, one star. That stings. Well, we love reading feedback. I listen
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You could probably uh ask Midjourney or something to create a cool poster that has those words.
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