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The #iPhone17Pro telephoto camera could get a bigger upgrade than initially rumored, with a new dual lens system for up to 8x optical zoom. Alleged #iPhone17 dummy units showcase the color options for the upcoming lineup, including a bold orange shade for the Pro models. Blurry images of a supposed #Apple iPhone 17 Pro test unit have surfaced online after someone reportedly spotted the device in the wild.
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[Music]
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This set of rumors really came out of
0:04
nowhere. Uh, several reports and leaks
0:07
surrounding the iPhone 7 Pro point to
0:09
only one major camera hardware upgrade,
0:11
boosting the telephoto lens to 48
0:14
megapixels and, you know, a few other
0:16
minor improvements, mostly from the
0:18
software and image signal processing.
0:21
But uh if a new leak is accurate, they
0:23
it could be a much bigger upgrade that
0:26
we're in for an upgraded telephoto lens
0:28
with an 8x optical zoom. Apparently,
0:31
this will be like a moving lens, like a,
0:34
you know, a fullsize camera with with
0:36
moving elements on the inside for
0:38
continuous optical zoom at different
0:40
focal lengths. Huawei is apparently
0:42
already doing this on certain Android
0:44
phones, which has two periscope zoom
0:46
lenses that goes up to 9.4x optical
0:49
zoom. U and it automatically switches
0:52
between those depending on the focal
0:53
length. This would be a major change for
0:55
the iPhone 17 Pro and it would kind of
0:58
explain away why the uh camera plateau
1:02
on the back is growing so much if they
1:04
have
1:04
I was going to say that that you know
1:06
that that's a big question is why why is
1:07
that why is a camera bump you know
1:09
doubled in size? Uh this would explain
1:11
it, huh? Yeah, you got to stash all that
1:13
hardware somewhere. And I think what's
1:18
really interesting to me, I mean the 8x
1:19
would be really cool, especially if it's
1:21
like continuous like this rumor says,
1:23
but I'm really looking forward to I
1:26
mean, for so long, like the main camera
1:28
has been the best one. And the telephoto
1:31
or the or the ultra wide has a kind of a
1:33
less good sensor. And we've seen a lot
1:36
of Android phones, they're putting
1:37
basically the same sensor under each of
1:39
those lens systems. And uh I think
1:41
that's really exciting as I really like
1:43
the telephoto camera. I use it a good
1:45
bit. I don't know if I've ever wanted
1:48
more than the 5x, but especially if you
1:50
can kind of slide along that range. I
1:53
think it's going to be really great and
1:55
uh I'm definitely excited to see it. I
1:57
do worry a little bit if this is like a
2:01
Pro Max thing only. You know, some years
2:04
the Pro Max will get something and the
2:05
Pro won't get it. Now, that camera bar
2:08
design, to your point, it seems to be
2:10
the same on both of them. Uh, as someone
2:12
who has gone down from the Max the last
2:14
couple of years, uh, I'm hoping that the
2:16
regular Pro gets all this, too. But, I
2:18
guess I guess time will tell, but that's
2:20
that's a lot of cool hardware to cram in
2:22
that thing.
2:23
The the once or twice a year that I end
2:24
up going to a concert, I really want
2:26
more than a 5x optical zoom. I was just
2:28
at Blossom, the you know out big outdoor
2:31
space that's like, you know, right
2:33
outside Akran a couple weeks ago and
2:36
I was zooming all the way into like you
2:38
know 15x and just taking pictures that
2:40
look like garbage. So
2:43
that would be great. Like if you get I
2:45
mean if you think about it you get like
2:46
8x optical zoom but then combined with
2:48
the 48 megapixel sensor you could take
2:50
like a regular you know 12 megapixel
2:52
picture even at like truly insane zoom
2:55
levels like 24x maybe and that would be
2:58
really awesome. Additionally Apple will
3:01
supposedly debut a new pro camera app
3:03
with the iPhone 17 Pro. It'll offer a
3:06
host of advanced manual controls
3:08
rivaling third party apps like Halli and
3:10
Filic Pro. Uh it's a possibility that
3:13
the company might release this app as an
3:14
update to the existing Final Cut camera
3:16
app.
3:17
So, you know, bifurcating all of the
3:19
advanced pro features out from the
3:21
regular camera app, which you know, this
3:23
year is taking a big step towards
3:24
simplicity, giving a different outlet
3:26
for that, which I think is a smart move.
3:28
My only concern is that
3:30
this would be one of those things that's
3:32
arbitrarily only available on the new
3:33
ones because I don't plan on buying an
3:35
iPhone 17 Pro this year. I plan on like,
3:37
you know, buying one for a review and
3:39
going back to my 16 Pro. So fingers
3:41
cross
3:42
you can always use Hali and the other
3:43
pro apps, couldn't you? Which, you know,
3:45
I wonder how they feel about getting
3:46
Sherlock, although I guess they're
3:48
always usually one step ahead. So
3:50
and plus they have their own audiences
3:51
and their own fans. So I'm sure that you
3:53
know, even if Apple does come out with
3:54
something, I'm sure they'll be fine.
3:55
Yeah, I I think I think they'd be okay,
3:58
too. Uh I do think this is really
3:59
interesting because the camera design in
4:01
iOS 26, it's really simple. like they
4:05
they've put a lot of stuff kind of
4:07
behind more taps and swipes like a lot
4:10
of the 26 design language does. Um, but
4:13
I I totally see them like making room
4:16
for something like this. And honestly, I
4:19
think it's probably fine. You know, I
4:20
think most people just hit the camera
4:22
button, point and shoot, right? and and
4:25
they want they expect the iPhone to kind
4:27
of take care of everything for them,
4:29
which it's really good at with the image
4:32
signal processing and all the light b
4:34
you know white balance and and lighting
4:36
and everything. The phone just in pure
4:39
automatic mode is incredible. And so
4:42
keep that good for the masses, but those
4:44
people who want a little bit more, they
4:46
should offer it. And uh so I I I see
4:49
this making sense. Uh, and hopefully
4:51
they uh they do it in a way that is
4:53
communicated clearly because I think
4:54
you're right for people who don't
4:55
upgrade. Uh, you know, is there is there
4:59
kind of a point where you kind of fall
5:00
in between the two things and that could
5:02
be a little bit awkward.
5:03
This is where it gets a little off the
5:05
rails. Lastly, the tipster says the
5:07
iPhone 17 Pro will include an additional
5:10
camera control button on the top edge,
5:12
offering quick access to the camera and
5:14
its settings. The existing camera
5:16
control button will stay there. a new
5:19
one uh with a new one designed to
5:21
complement its functionality.
5:24
Um
5:24
I see you shaking your head. Everyone's
5:26
shaking their head. Does anyone believe
5:27
this?
5:27
No. Th this feels like a misfire to me
5:30
and we haven't I think it's the first
5:32
time this has been reported.
5:34
Like if you remember usually with like
5:37
physical changes to the iPhone, we know
5:38
about them before the end of July. And
5:41
like why would you have two of them?
5:45
Like I I don't know what the adoption is
5:46
for camera control out in the world. I
5:49
know anecdotally people I talked to it
5:51
doesn't seem to be widely used.
5:54
So I don't I just don't buy this.
5:56
Yeah. I mean more buttons this would be
5:58
five buttons in total, right? I think on
6:00
the outside of
6:00
all the way around.
6:02
I mean imagine this is true for a
6:03
second. Is nothing sacred anymore? Like
6:05
where are you then supposed to hold the
6:07
phone to take a picture? You can't
6:09
really like the the volume buttons
6:11
occupy like a large portion down to the
6:13
middle of the phone on the bottom edge
6:14
and you don't want to accidentally press
6:15
those. You don't want to accidentally
6:16
press the camera control on the top.
6:18
You're taking holding your phone
6:19
sideways like what then you do hold it
6:20
on the top edge. You don't want to hold
6:22
it on the bottom edge because then
6:23
you're blocking the microphone. People
6:25
do that all the time and just
6:27
comes with tweezers to hold the phone at
6:29
the end, you know.
6:30
Doesn't it make kind of sense a little
6:32
bit maybe if people are shooting in in
6:34
uh in portrait mode?
6:35
I also only use the camera control to
6:37
open the camera. Me, too.
6:38
I You can go in settings and actually
6:40
disable all of the swipe gestures so you
6:42
don't even do that accidentally. And
6:43
that's that's really the pro tip of the
6:45
year.
6:46
Yeah. Right. I should definitely be
6:47
doing that.
6:48
I don't know because I mean you can do
6:49
it portrait or or landscape if you're an
6:52
old like us,
6:53
you know, with it here. It feels like
6:54
the placement's actually pretty good for
6:56
what it is now.
6:57
I just don't know. This one I I read
6:59
this when it came out and sort of
7:00
scratched my head as um
7:02
even if it was on the top. Like it's
7:04
very easy to accidentally block a camera
7:06
if you try touching the top edge of your
7:08
phone. So
7:09
that's very true. Yeah, exactly. It
7:10
would be right on top of the lenses,
7:11
wouldn't it?
7:12
Mhm.
7:13
Yeah. I mean, even Mac Rumors, which
7:14
first reported the rumor, said it was
7:16
sketchy. They weren't they weren't quite
7:18
uh sure whether to believe it or not.
7:21
Mhm.
7:22
Yeah. We'll we'll see in a few short
7:24
weeks.
7:25
Scarily short.
7:26
I know. It's come up real fast. It's
7:28
come up really really quick.
7:30
Uh Stephen, you're going to talk about
7:32
uh how the iPhone 17 Pro could, you
7:34
know, break tradition with a with
7:35
actually a bold new color rather than a
7:37
muted one. What do you think of that?
7:38
I think it's awesome. I mean, for so
7:40
since the I guess the iPhone 11
7:42
generation when they bifurcated the the
7:44
regular phone and the Pro, the Pro phone
7:46
has had generally more sort of muted,
7:50
more boring colors. Now, I think there
7:52
have been some highlights like the green
7:53
in the 11 Pro was great. I really love
7:56
Sierra blue, that light blue from the
7:58
13, I think. Um, they've had some good
8:01
colors, but they're they're they're
8:04
pretty toned down, right? Some of them
8:06
it's like, well, that's just like one
8:07
drop of a different color in silver,
8:09
right? Very muted, if you will, while
8:12
the regular phones have had some really
8:14
great colors. Like, uh, my daughter has
8:17
like a mint green iPhone 12 and it looks
8:21
awesome. And the current colors, I
8:22
think, are really good. I mean, uh, you
8:24
know, my test one of my testing phones
8:26
is an iPhone 16 Plus in the Aquamarine,
8:29
and it's it's great. Uh, and so
8:32
that's a that's a really lovely one.
8:34
That's a that's one of my favorites. I
8:35
killed it. Several people who have the
8:37
pink one.
8:38
Yeah, they're really good. But if you
8:40
use a pro phone, you're kind of looking
8:41
at on the other side of the fence
8:43
wishing your life was more colorful. Uh,
8:46
but it looks like orange could be uh the
8:50
special pro color this year along with a
8:54
blue kind of a silvery gray and then
8:58
maybe a gold. We're going to talk about
8:59
some a little bit more of that later.
9:00
But, uh, the orange could be taking the
9:03
special color spot. Uh, which I think is
9:05
is great. I love orange. It's my
9:07
favorite color. Uh, I I think Apple's
9:10
done some great oranges in the past. I
9:12
mean, you've got a clamshell eyebook
9:13
behind you in blueberry, the tangerine
9:15
version of that is awesome. A bunch of
9:18
great orange iPods and uh I'm really
9:21
excited about it. I want them to have
9:23
fun colors in the Pro and if it's my
9:25
favorite color, then it's just a bonus.
9:28
Um I will say it has created tension.
9:31
We're going to go to therapy for a
9:32
second. It's created tension in me
9:34
because I really was thinking I was
9:36
going to do the iPhone air this time.
9:38
you know, like y'all, I've covered this
9:39
a long time. And so, when there's a an
9:41
interesting new model, that's the one I
9:44
try to use that year so I can talk about
9:45
it and understand it and and so this
9:48
year obviously was going to be the Air,
9:49
right? Super thin phone. It's going to
9:51
have maybe some potentially weird
9:52
tradeoffs, but let's understand it and
9:54
talk about it. But then if they do an
9:57
orange pro phone, like what do I do?
10:00
Are you really going to give it up for
10:01
the orange color? Just get an orange
10:03
case for your iPhone.
10:04
Yeah. you know, someone else has said
10:06
that to me, but I also feel like I need
10:08
to encourage Apple to do good colors on
10:10
the Pro phone. So, uh, so we'll see and
10:13
we'll see if this comes to pass, but I
10:15
think it's, um, our our criticism is not
10:18
unique that the Pro colors have been
10:21
a bit boring.
10:22
Everybody complains about it. Everybody
10:24
that these muted colors, I mean, Apple
10:26
insists that there, you know, they're,
10:28
you know, they're more professional,
10:30
but but that one that doesn't mean
10:32
anything, right? It's like the the quote
10:34
I always go back to in 2018 when the
10:36
Intel Mac Mini was introduced in space
10:39
gray and the guy on stage was like it's
10:42
space gray. We know professionals are
10:44
going to love that. It's like
10:45
professionals don't like it doesn't
10:46
matter at all. Um and most importantly
10:49
with the phone most people to your point
10:51
put them in a case. Now, what I think is
10:54
interesting, if you kind of combine that
10:56
thought with the the design this year
10:59
with that big camera bar across the top,
11:01
well, you could see potentially,
11:03
depending on how cases are built, a lot
11:04
more of the color coming through the
11:06
back of the case,
11:07
right?
11:08
You know, like like currently, you know,
11:09
I've got the uh kind of the the coppery
11:13
titanium phone and I got it in a black
11:15
leather case. You can see a little bit
11:16
of the color,
11:17
but uh that could be really different
11:19
this time around. So,
11:21
uh we'll see. But I'm glad Apple's
11:22
experimenting.
11:23
Maybe they're maybe, you know, do you
11:25
think maybe this is the uh, you know,
11:26
like a the first step in a transition to
11:31
phase out the muted colors in subsequent
11:33
generations. They're going to experiment
11:35
with a bright bold color, the orange.
11:36
See how that goes. Maybe next year
11:38
they'll they'll introduce more of the
11:40
Pro handsets with with bolder colors.
11:42
Yeah. May maybe so. You know, there's
11:44
always going to be room for people who
11:45
just want, you know, white or silver or,
11:47
you know, black. And I totally totally
11:49
get that.
11:50
But there are people who want a bit
11:53
more. You know, people we we use these
11:56
devices as a way to express ourselves in
11:58
kind of a weird way.
11:59
And they introduced that way back with
12:01
the iPod back in the day. And that's
12:03
still true, I think, right? Like,
12:05
you know, when my daughter got her
12:07
phone, like she wanted that mint green,
12:09
like that color spoke to her. And and a
12:12
lot of people shop for phones that way.
12:14
And so why not have an option on your
12:17
more expensive phone? It only seems like
12:18
it benefits Apple. Honestly,
12:20
I feel like Apple thinks the, you know,
12:23
easy way to, you know, instantly
12:25
recognize a pro phone from a regular
12:26
phone is the colors. But from my
12:28
perspective, it's always been the triple
12:29
camera instead of the double camera.
12:31
Yes.
12:31
And I think lean leaning into that and
12:33
making the the camera bar giant, which I
12:35
was initially like, "Oh, that's going to
12:37
look terrible." The more I think about
12:39
it, the more I'm warming up to it. Well,
12:41
there's a huge I mean science of colors
12:43
and I know that Panone every year
12:44
releases their color report. They're
12:46
predicting what the the the color trend
12:47
is going to be for the next year. And I
12:49
believe that you know a lot of consumer
12:51
companies, car companies especially take
12:54
pay very very careful attention to this.
12:56
Also interior decoration um you know
12:59
appliance makers stuff like that. I mean
13:01
people are looking to see whether a
13:03
color is predicted next year to take off
13:05
and they'll make they'll make a bet on
13:06
it. So, I wonder whether Apple, you
13:07
know, like because you don't see a lot
13:09
of in in the cars.
13:12
I don't know. Is there is there that
13:13
that difference between high-end cars
13:16
that are more and more muted colors and
13:20
uh cheaper cars, lower end cars, more
13:23
pro cars. Is that what you're saying?
13:24
It's like I've got, you know, I drive a
13:26
Toyota, but if I had a Lexus, it's like
13:28
a a Lexus Pro.
13:30
Yeah. You're never going to get be able
13:31
to get it in that bright bright green.
13:33
That's right. That's right. every car is
13:35
is muted and gray and boring. Now,
13:36
that's that's not
13:38
that's a universal.
13:39
And it's interesting, a lot of the car
13:41
thing is such a interesting analogy. Car
13:43
companies will do special colors like
13:46
like I know I'm a Toyota fanboy. Uh
13:49
Toyota has a TRD color on their trucks
13:51
every couple of years. And like the
13:53
truck I drive is an older TRD color and
13:56
they hold their value because of the
13:58
color. And
13:59
Oh, really? What color is it?
14:00
It's called lunar rock. It's like a gray
14:02
green color. And it stands out because
14:05
it's not white or black, right? Like if
14:07
I go to the grocery, it's not bright
14:08
and, you know, it's not like neon green.
14:10
It's pretty you it's about it's about
14:10
like my shirt because it's pretty muted.
14:12
Well, there you go.
14:13
It's a little bit different, right? And
14:16
the people some people are going to
14:18
gravitate towards that. And with a car,
14:20
right? Like car wrapping is a huge
14:22
business, especially on high-end cars
14:24
because if you buy a high-end car and it
14:26
comes in black, like maybe you want it
14:28
to be flashy, maybe you want to be
14:30
noticed. And so you get it wrapped in
14:31
some in some color, like some color
14:34
shifting thing. People again expressing
14:37
themselves through the color of their
14:39
objects. And uh you know,
14:43
I mean, I remember when the iPhone 10R
14:46
came out, you know, 6 years ago or
14:48
whatever. I think they were the best
14:50
colors on a modern phone. And I was on a
14:53
10S, which was like, you know, stainless
14:55
steel and glass. It was a beautiful
14:56
object, but every time every time I saw
14:59
a 10R, like went to the store and saw
15:01
them, I was like, man, these colors are
15:02
so good. Like, how much fun would it be
15:05
to have a coral iPhone XR? The blue that
15:09
year was really nice on the 10R, but I
15:11
wanted the pro features. I wanted, you
15:13
know, at the time the second camera and
15:16
some of the things that came with that.
15:18
And so I had to kind of put aside the
15:20
color choice. And I think you're right,
15:21
like if Apple can find a way to balance
15:23
all of that. I I think it's good for
15:26
consumers. It's good for Apple. And you
15:29
know, I'd say I'd say have fun with it.
15:30
You know, I'm we're none of us are
15:32
making these phones. I'm sure it's
15:33
extremely complicated to make eight
15:35
colors of iPhone.
15:36
Yeah. But if anyone can do it, it's the
15:39
people in Certino, right? Like they've
15:41
got it ironed out. And so I really hope
15:44
this comes to pass. And I think it'd be
15:46
a fun way to introduce the new design.
15:48
Like if there's an orange one, I hope to
15:50
see that in the the ads and the
15:53
commercials. And I mean, I'd like also
15:56
for them to bring back the midyear
15:58
cycle. You know, for several years they
15:59
had a a new phone color in the spring.
16:02
Sometimes it was product red. On one
16:04
iPhone it was like the yellow. Um, uh,
16:07
like it was on the regular phone, like a
16:09
bright yellow.
16:10
On the 12, it was that that wonderful
16:11
purple color.
16:12
Yeah. Yeah, the purple was really nice.
16:14
And I think there's also room for that.
16:16
Like halfway through the year,
16:20
maybe replace the orange with something
16:21
else or add something else to it. Like
16:23
because people buy phones year round,
16:25
you know, people like us, people listen
16:28
to our shows, right? Like we think about
16:29
the fall being new iPhone season, but
16:32
like most people like my sister-in-law
16:34
the other day text me like, "Hey, I'm
16:35
going to buy a new phone." Like I'm not
16:37
going to tell her to wait to September.
16:38
Like she's on like an iPhone 11, I
16:40
think. Like it's time.
16:42
It's like go get a 15, pick your color,
16:44
and like you'll be set. And that's how
16:46
most people shop for phones. And so why
16:48
not refresh the line with new colors as
16:50
you go?
16:52
Just have some fun with it. Apple needs
16:54
to loosen up a little bit in this
16:55
department.
16:57
Well, one thing one thing I noticed with
16:58
the the spy show. So, it was Julian's uh
17:00
I'm sorry, the dummy models that were
17:01
released um a couple of days ago. Um I
17:04
imagine Buu, who is a prolific leaker on
17:09
uh on the socials, his spy shots, the
17:14
orange was much bolder
17:17
on the dummy model that he had from the
17:21
photos that were leaked by Sunonny
17:22
Dixon, who's also another um prolific
17:25
leaker. So actually and and I was you
17:27
know uh MQ got that great scoop a couple
17:29
of weeks ago where they nailed the
17:32
actual panone colors.
17:34
Mhm.
17:35
Uh and I thought it would be and I
17:37
didn't see anyone do this but it it
17:39
would have been I think maybe
17:40
interesting to actually sort of see
17:42
whether though that panone matched the
17:46
colors in the dummy shots that got
17:48
leaked. I didn't see anyone do any kind
17:50
of a comparison. So I I you know I don't
17:52
know is it that B in the the the the
17:55
images that I saw you know it was just
17:58
the camera lens that you could see where
18:01
the orange and it's impossible to tell
18:02
what kind of shade it is really from
18:04
such a small strip of of metal.
18:07
So I wonder what you know how bold is it
18:08
actually that panone orange did any of
18:11
you guys see anything about that?
18:12
Well it's interesting because the rumor
18:14
mill got desert titanium very wrong. It
18:16
was expecting like a bronze color, a
18:18
much darker color, and then it ended up
18:20
being like, you know, basically silver
18:22
but with like a little like drop of gold
18:24
in it. So,
18:24
yeah,
18:26
when he held when he held it up earlier,
18:27
I didn't even realize that you had the
18:28
Desert Titanium one.
18:29
Stephen, I made we had a bet on
18:31
connected that they cuz the rumors like
18:33
it was going to be brown. And I was
18:34
like, if they make a brown phone, I'll
18:35
buy it. Like, this is like a eat my hat
18:37
kind of statement.
18:38
And so, this was close enough where my
18:40
co-hosts were like, "No, you have to get
18:41
get that color." And honestly, under
18:43
some
18:44
That's why you got it cuz you lost a
18:46
bet.
18:46
Yeah. Honestly, under cuz I love the
18:49
natural titanium. I think that's the
18:50
best color right now. But under some
18:52
lights, this phone looks pink, right?
18:54
And I don't mind. I think it's really
18:55
pretty.
18:56
But when the colors are so muted and
19:00
like the vibrancy slider just all the
19:02
way at zero, light really changes how it
19:04
looks. And I think that may be what's
19:06
going on in those photos because they do
19:08
all look a little bit different. Um, the
19:11
photos also are interesting because the
19:13
some of the rumors have like a secondary
19:15
like finish kind of like where a MacSafe
19:18
wallet would be.
19:19
And and those dummies don't those dummy
19:22
photos, not those dummies, those dummy
19:25
photos
19:26
seem to lack that. And so I'm also
19:28
curious if that's something that maybe
19:30
was an earlier design that they decided
19:33
not to do or what happened there. Um but
19:36
well the dummy should be taken with a
19:38
pinch of salt anyway because they're
19:39
probably coming from you know case
19:40
makers and third party man uh uh third
19:43
parties you know people in the who who
19:44
have the specs in the supply chain and I
19:47
think they're more concerned about the
19:48
dimensions
19:49
um you know for case makers and stuff
19:51
like that with the exact placement of
19:52
the buttons and things like that and
19:54
actually that was one of the funny
19:55
things I didn't see any of the top
19:56
button on the on the dummies. there was
19:58
there was no pictures of that which I
19:59
think would have been important if that
20:01
was you know if it was coming from that
20:03
that uh those sources but yeah I think
20:06
you know they're they're basically
20:08
guessing and I would have thought that
20:09
the the colors itself is sort of one of
20:11
the last
20:12
things they're going to really strive to
20:14
get right although maybe not because you
20:16
know if they're going to if they're
20:17
going to be making cases they probably
20:18
do want to pay attention to the colors
20:20
and like you said Stephen with the with
20:21
that you know when they're exposing more
20:23
uh in the camera bar of the original
20:25
color of the phone you know perhaps they
20:27
they probably are keen to either match
20:28
it or contrast it.
20:31
I will say the uh renders that I've seen
20:33
that include the separate panel on the
20:36
back with the panel there, the lowered
20:39
Apple logo looks much nicer because then
20:42
it's much more obvious that the the
20:43
Apple logo is centered within like the
20:45
glass inset panel. When I look at these
20:48
dummy photos from Sunny Sunny Dixon,
20:50
it's like, well, why is the Apple logo
20:52
so low? It just looks like it's in the
20:53
wrong spot.
20:54
Yeah.
20:54
Well, remind me why is the Apple logo so
20:56
low? Because did they have to move uh
20:57
they had to move MagSafe down into a
20:59
lower position?
21:01
I I don't think we have a solid
21:03
explanation for that yet. But I don't
21:07
know. Another thing that I noticed about
21:08
these dummies though is that especially
21:10
in Sunny Dixon's photos, it looks like
21:13
uh the shape of the plateau itself, like
21:15
the edge around it might be changing a
21:18
little bit. You know, on the on the
21:20
current phones, the plateau sort of like
21:22
curves up out from the rest of the plane
21:24
of glass and then has a flat top.
21:27
Whereas some of these pictures on the
21:28
iPhone uh 17 air especially, the plateau
21:32
almost looks like it's a bubble of water
21:34
like sitting on top of it like it it
21:37
liquid glass.
21:38
Liquid glass. Yeah.
21:40
[Laughter]
21:43
Is that another I have to go take back
21:45
and have a closer look at those. Well,
21:47
this kind of brings us to our next
21:49
story, which is there was an iPhone 17
21:53
prototype spotted in the wild. Uh, and
21:56
this was a masked iPhone. So, it's in a
21:59
some kind of case that's supposed to
22:01
disguise it, but it was clearly
22:03
recognizable from the camera bump that
22:06
this is obviously this is not one of the
22:08
current iPhones. And it was spotted by
22:10
some uh ex user called Skyops.
22:14
Uh, he spotted this. Did anyone did you
22:16
see where it was spotted?
22:18
Yeah, that user has LA as their location
22:21
on X. So, you know, that makes sense,
22:22
right? Apple's got people all over
22:24
California.
22:25
Um, yeah, this guy's got some cool
22:27
sunglasses and a vest on, so it's
22:28
definitely California. You know, there's
22:31
a palm tree in the background like, you
22:33
know. Um,
22:35
but yeah, you know, this happens every
22:37
few cycles, right, that where someone
22:39
gets spotted. People are using these out
22:41
in the wild uh for testing and
22:43
validation.
22:44
I would think that if Apple were
22:46
designing a case to try and disguise the
22:48
iPhone, you would think they would like,
22:50
you know, put just like a dummy flash
22:53
and LAR sensor like near the other
22:55
cameras so that it's not immediately
22:56
obvious that it's a a new phone. If
22:58
that's like the one defining feature of
23:00
the new phones. Well, don't they do that
23:03
with new cars, don't they? When
23:04
prototype cars, they try to disguise
23:05
them with uh these weird wraps and they
23:08
they they never really they don't really
23:10
disguise the body shape, do they, that
23:12
much. you can you can still sort of
23:13
discern what it looks like. I think in
23:16
most cases it's it's those seem kind of
23:19
odd because they don't really you know
23:20
you'd think you put a big box around the
23:21
thing so you couldn't see it at all.
23:24
Maybe that's as similar uh in this
23:26
situation but this guy had a security
23:28
guard with him apparently who tried to
23:29
block the shot which and that was the
23:31
weirdest thing about the story that I
23:33
heard. I mean, because there's a lot of
23:34
people is immediately saying, "Oh my
23:35
god, that poor guy. He's going to get
23:36
fired." You know, like he's he's out
23:37
he's out of there immediately. But like
23:40
Stephen says, I mean, I don't know. He's
23:42
I doubt it actually because this is him
23:44
doing his job. I mean, the whole reason
23:45
they're taking them out in public is to
23:47
test them on the public networks um to
23:49
make sure that they're performing as
23:52
expected when out in the wild. And and
23:55
I, you know, I mean, I guess the
23:57
surprising thing is that more aren't
23:59
spotted. Mhm.
24:00
And you know, maybe it's embarrassing
24:02
for this guy, but I doubt very much that
24:03
he's going to get fired for this. In
24:05
fact, I told Do you remember the the
24:06
iPhone um 4 when when Gizmodo got hold
24:10
of the the test iPhone in a bar?
24:12
Yeah.
24:13
And the guy had had left it behind.
24:16
You'd think that that was that I I I
24:19
managed to get hold of the guy a couple
24:21
of years afterwards.
24:22
Um and he was still at Apple
24:26
and in fact um I asked him if he wanted
24:27
to talk about it. would you talk about
24:30
uh the whole the whole incident and
24:32
about especially the aftermath too. How
24:33
come you didn't get fired? And he agreed
24:35
to this to my great amazement. But then
24:38
he ghosted me.
24:40
So I never did get a chance to speak to
24:41
the guy. But he was definitely still at
24:43
Apple. And and and and you think like,
24:45
you know, if anybody uh is going to get
24:47
fired for uh uh for getting spotted with
24:50
a test iPhone out in public, they would
24:52
have been this guy. But apparently he
24:53
didn't. I think Apple's very sort of
24:54
forgiving of that kind of thing. Yeah,
24:57
that's that's different than a straight
24:59
up like you're you're leaking
25:00
information, right? It feels like
25:02
there's a
25:03
a bit of a difference there. And I think
25:05
I think you're right. I think Apple's
25:06
forgiving to a degree. And like I'm sure
25:08
this guy will be fine. You know,
25:10
he
25:11
is out there testing the phone. Like to
25:13
a degree, I think they know that, yeah,
25:16
if someone's really paying attention,
25:17
there might be a chance. But the average
25:21
person walking by didn't think twice
25:22
about this guy, right? He's like, oh,
25:24
he's got two phones. Like maybe that was
25:25
a little bit weird, but
25:27
you know, if anything, this guy just got
25:29
spotted by somebody who's like tuned
25:31
into this stuff and that's Yeah.
25:32
What are you going to do? Like you can't
25:34
you can't really avoid that,
25:37
right? Absolutely. Absolutely. I would
25:38
It's the father security guard. He's the
25:40
one who really messed up. He deserves to
25:42
be canned immediately.
25:44
Mhm.
25:45
It's uh Yeah. Yeah, but it's it's funny,
25:46
you know, like uh I mean, do you think
25:49
the rumors this this round are are more
25:52
detailed and more precise that we know
25:54
more about this this lineup than than
25:56
before? I I I think there was pretty
25:58
comprehensive last year, right, too? And
26:00
maybe even for the uh the year before as
26:03
well, but every year there's no
26:05
surprises. There's nothing to be not
26:07
known about, at least the physical
26:09
design, the the way the hardware looks.
26:12
Those dummy units were so detailed and
26:14
and um so precise. I mean, it looks to
26:16
me like they might as well be the real
26:17
thing. Of course, they could be totally
26:19
wrong. We'll see. But I believed it.
26:22
Yeah. Uh does it feel gross that maybe
26:24
we're uh paparazziing
26:27
uh the the the the new iPhones with and
26:30
like the Apple employees who are testing
26:31
them
26:32
maybe
26:32
out in the real world a little bit?
26:33
Yeah, a little bit. maybe like a little
26:35
less gross than like photographing like
26:37
a celebrity go just going about their
26:38
business and printing it in a tablet
26:40
magazine. But it is still a little weird
26:43
to me that we're taking pictures of
26:45
strangers in public just because they're
26:47
using a phone. But
26:47
well, that's the other thing as well,
26:48
you know, camera camera culture, you
26:50
know, that uh I think a lot of people
26:52
worried about Big Brother and being
26:54
spied on and, you know, CCTV cameras and
26:56
all that kind of stuff. And I think the
26:57
weird thing has happened is that putting
26:59
cameras in people's hands has completely
27:01
changed a lot of things. Yeah. Yeah,
27:02
you know, like uh you know, things like
27:05
police abuse, um all sorts of stuff like
27:08
that. All these kind of things get
27:09
filmed. There's no thing as there's no
27:11
there's no privacy anymore. There's no
27:12
privacy anywhere,
27:13
which is why I don't have a Ring
27:14
doorbell.
27:16
Right. One thing uh the last thing to
27:18
mention about this is Mark German, you
27:19
know, who everybody knows is the the
27:21
Apple reporter at Bloomberg.
27:23
He um wrote he reposted the the uh the
27:27
the image uh on X and said, "Wow, this
27:30
looks legit." Um, and of course, uh, it,
27:34
um, is that is that is that do you think
27:36
he's being sarcastic or do you think
27:38
he's being sincere?
27:40
Yeah, I think because this sort of lines
27:42
up with what we've seen elsewhere, I
27:43
think he's probably probably being uh,
27:46
true. But, you know, that's the uh
27:48
that's the harm in textbased social
27:50
media. It's like tone of voice very hard
27:54
to to read sometimes.
27:56
Is it that we only believe it more just
27:57
because it does line up with what we've
27:58
been told about it before, you know?
28:00
device there.
28:02
Yeah, maybe it was one of those dummy
28:03
units and that's why the guy had two
28:05
phones cuz he was taking a picture of it
28:06
for some kind of