Apple fans may be resigned to paying full price for their gadgets, but we’ll certainly see Apple gear on sale this Black Friday season. The trick to finding these bargains is knowing where to look — and that’s anywhere but the Apple Store.

Summary: Current-gen iPad mini with a $125 gift card, iPhone 6s and $250 gift card for $0, and more. Just avoid the Apple Store.

Despite Apple turning in bland Black Friday offerings year after year, the company’s products do see some crazy-good discounts this season. We’ve combed through all the available ads and hand-selected the very best of what you can expect to find this month.

If you are going to brave the store to try and get these deals, be warned: Apple deals disappear fast, so don’t get distracted. Once you’re inside or online, head straight to the Apple section.

TL:DR: Whatever you do, don’t shop the Apple Store sale.

While some Apple fans may think the only way to purchase iDevices is at full price, the truth is that the majority of Apple products will see various discounts, especially on Black Friday.

The trick is knowing where to look. In previous years, Apple authorized resellers have undercut Apple on Black Friday by as much as 13%, and this year will be no different. So before you spend a dime at the Apple Store, check out our Black Friday predictions to find out how you can get Cupertino’s tech at a fraction of the cost this year.