Apple Will Murder OS X And Replace It With iOS On All Macs Starting in 2012 [Report]



Now that Lion on your Mac looks just like iOS on your mobile device, Apple is now considering dropping its desktop and laptop software in favor of a single OS platform based on apps and the cloud. The idea has so many advantages, an OS merger is likely to begin next year.

The iCloud service will be at the core of Apple’s unified theory, allowing users to logon to a device and have their apps and content be tailored to the iPhone, iPad or Mac. Already, an A6 quad-core processor is in testing, the first cpu capable of powering both mobile and desktop machines, according to Jeffries analyst Peter Misek.

“Users want to be able to pick up any iPhone, iPad or Mac (or turn on their iTV) and have content move seamlessly between them and be optimized for the user and device currently being used. We believe this will be difficult to implement if iOS and OS X are kept separate,” Misek tells investors.

The transition will likely begin in 2012-2013 for most users, the analyst believes. By 2016, a 64-bit ARM processor will be available to include high-end professional devices. Misek expects the merger of iOS and OS X will increase Apple’s margins 25-125 points as costs of materials and research and development falls.

But there are likely to be other advantages.

As the migration to HTML 5 continues, everything essentially will become an app able to be accessed either wirelessly or offline, the analyst says. Naturally, this will excite app developers who want to write for one huge Apple device market.

The switch could also boost iAd, as ads could speak to all Apple users, rather than be split amongst iOS and Mac OS X users. This unification is already touched on in iOS 5, allowing iPhone and iPad users to sync without direct connection to a Mac.

We’re skeptical this is going to happen starting next year, frankly. An A6 SoC isn’t going to cut it. However, we imagine this analyst is right in the long run: OS X and iOS will merge, and Apple will start using custom-built ARM chips in all of its products as soon as they can manage a 64-bit ARM processor. Within the next five years, the difference between a Mac and an iPad is going to blur.

  • mjselvig

    Hahaha, no.

  • Zeke Marffy

    You can be sure someone will jailbreak it.

  • Dave Arthurs

     . . . and I will be moving back to a PC.

  • hausoftrinity

    This is a joke… right?

  • Pete Hodbod

    whoever wrote this really has no idea about what people use their macs for.

  • HenryMcNinja

    That is the day I buy a big ass HP touchscreen desktop with windows 8 on it…

  • Matthew McGeary

    Are you kidding me?

    OS X isn’t going anywhere.  It will get marginalized as iOS even further eclipses OS X sales, but there will always be a place in the Apple portfolio for a general-purpose OS.

  • xraydelta1

    I can’t believe that people get paid to come up with these meaningless, bullshit rumors, day after day, and CoM keeps regurgitating them.

  • coreywagehoft

    This will not happen.  Why would Apple go back to a custom CPU in their computers when Intel has been doing such a great job for them so far.  I can see OSX and iOS merging in some ways but Apple will never fully get rid of OSX.  This article is way off base.

  • Gareth Gouldstone

    As an IT professional, I rely on the presence of Mac OS X and, particularly, the underlying Unix implementation. If that goes I will be going back to PC hardware and Linux. Shame.

  • urandom

    Biggest bullshit I ever heard

  • kevan bulmer

    wouldnt my mac become a giant ipad then? huh?

  • MacGoo

    Wow – a lot of denial among the Mac faithful. This WILL happen. Apple’s intentions have never been more clear – they’re already trying to familiarize desktop users with iOS-focused paradigms like LaunchPad and Auto-resume. But those that think they’re going to allow OSX to die in a bloodbath of frustrated power users and alienated professionals are deluded as well. A phased approach over 4 years sounds perfectly reasonable, and will allow a characteristically smooth transition. By the time Apple phases out OSX, no one will miss it except those determined to be angry. Get on board!

  • minimalist1969

    Apple didn’t just slap a desktop OS on their mobile phones
    so why on earth would they just slap a mobile OS on their desktops and
    laptops?   Each computing experience has its own internal
    logic and set of rules.

    Analysts are way overpaid for the nonsense they pull out of their butts.

  • thomin

    I don’t see it…I mean I can imagine OSX to run on ARM computers at some point, but the user experience has to stay if not the same then at least very similar to the current OSX.

    The needs of someone using a phone or a tablet are quite different to those of someone using a real computer, especially when it comes to interacting with the machine. 

    At the same time, Intel compatibility is a major reason why OSX market share has doubled since 2009. So I don’t even think it would make sense to shift OSX to ARM. Then again, 5 years is a lot when it comes to computer development, so who knows how the world will be like then, but at this point, I just don’t see it…

  • GregsTechBlog

    This would be an incredibly bad move for Apple. It would be the equivalent of Microsoft forcing all their users to use Vista on their PCs.

    iOS is far to simple to ever replace the functionality of my Mac.

  • minimalist1969

    Of course it will eventually happen.  But not next year or the year after that or likely the year after that.   Apple always moves slowly but surely.  Fopr goodness sakes, iOS is just getting around to tabbed browsing this fall.  It will be years before iOS is robust enought to function as a replacement for OSX.  

  • Jackson Myers

    Maybe August 3rd is the new April fools day?

  • quietstorms

    So you don’t believe it’s possible to add functionality to a touch-based ‘computer’?

  • GregsTechBlog

    Do you think Apple will ever add file system access, a compiler, terminal, or other essential developer tools to iOS?
    I highly doubt it. And if so, not for quite a few years. 

    Apple doesn’t want to replace Mac OS. They want iOS (and the iPad) to begin to replace “consumer” laptops/computers, and leave the Macs for the “heavy” users. 

  • Marco Cordeiro

    This is ridiculous reporting….. clearly from someone that has no clue about the industry and its evolution. Apple was only ‘crazy’ once and that almost killed them circa 1996 hadn’t Steve returned and Microsoft injecting massive amounts of money into the company…..

  • quietstorms

    Don’t bother trying to tell them. They have no vision and their minds are trapped in the way they understand computing. Thank God none of these people are running Apple. John Gruber, who knows more about Apple than everyone combined this thread, admitted as much:

    “That brings us to the iPad. Initial reaction to it has been polarized, as is so often the case with Apple products. Some say it’s a big iPod touch. Others say it’s the beginning of a revolution in personal computing. As a pundit, I’m supposed to explain how the truth lies somewhere between these two extremes. But I can’t. The iPad really is The Big One: Apple’s reconception of personal computing.”

    The new FCP should tell anyone that they’re moving towards touch.


    “Next year?”  Uh, no.

    However, as iOS matures, I have no doubt the two will continue to move closer together and, at one point, the redundancy will be too great for Apple to not nix one.  Still a ways to go.

    Perhaps iOS 9.  While content creation is possible on iOS, the devices are going to need more power and input methodology needs to mature a bit more before OS X gets laid to rest.

  • Don Pope

    Moving them closer together: yes
    Replacing OSX with iOS: no

    Different platforms have different needs, and Apple knows this better than anyone else.

  • Eric Jasso

    I don’t know, but rotating and shaking my Mac is going to be a bitch.

  • AlanRandell

    I just paid $ 23.86 for an iPhone and my girlfriend loves her Dell laptop that we got for $ 38.76 there arriving tomorrow by UPS I will never pay such expensive retail prices in stores again. Especially when I also sold a 42 inch LED TV to my boss for $ 665 which only cost me $ 62,81 to buy. Here is the website we use to get it all from,

  • quietstorms

    His response was meant more towards the posts on this thread. I agree it won’t happen next year. Less than 5 years from now most will be using tablets as their main device. 

    As for tabbed browsing, iOS has always had it. It’s just that Apple did it the more traditional way with iOS 5 because people seemed to prefer it.

  • Michael Snape

    Truly I am not surprised nor am I thinking it could not happen next year. From what I have seen from Apple in the development of iOS and Mac OS X, its inevitable. I think the problem is though people see this as, oh no they are going to remove the desktop experience and file system and replace it with a forced eco system of apps and such. I would think, anyone who believes that is a utter moron. Between now and next year (and this is being proved by iOS5 and Mac OS X 10.7 Lion) that the line is already blurring and the iOS devices are gaining powerful. I own a iMac 17″ from late 2006 with a Core 2 Duo. I gained in speed when I moved to Lion. What is there to say apple won’t literally merge iOS and Mac OS X and we will see a file system on current iOS devices. The operating system is getting small enough and powerful enough. Look at it logically and objectively. Apple knows what they are doing.

  • Michael Vlaming

    Nope. Never gonna happen. iOS can NEVER replace OS X, the distinct differences between the two make it just about impossible.

  • quietstorms

    The file system is going away for the Mac. Lion is already on the road to this by hiding the Library folder and forcing certain policies on the Mac App Store. 

    As for other features, what makes you think it’s impossible to add it to iOS? Your original post essentially said is that there is no way a finger could replace a mouse. Physical keyboards can always be used with iOS.

  • GregsTechBlog

    “When we were an agrarian nation, all cars were trucks because that’s what you needed on the farms.” Cars became more popular as cities rose, and things likepower steering and automatic transmission became popular.
    “PCs are going to be like trucks,” Jobs said. “They are still going to be around.” However, he said, only “one out of x people will need them.” -Steve Jobs

    I can’t see iOS replacing my 2 computer, 2 screen workstation at work for programming. iOS and Mac OS may “merge” one day, but the underlying features of Mac OS, such as Unix, and access to the file system, would have to stay if Apple would want developers to stick around.

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  • GDal

    Haven’t the iPad, other tablets, iPhones and Android devices shown that the Windows/Mac point and click/file system interface are not really important to the regular device users? Microsoft tried and failed with moving the desktop OS with its complexities on mobile devices.

    The needs of tablet users and desktop users is exactly the same: To produce the results they want. The difference is that tablets don’t involve the user in unnecessary monotonous tasks (file management, driver installation, remembering where files are located, etc). Computers can handle those tasks just fine without human interference, and tablets OSes (Windows 8 excluded) don’t have the legacy of useless complexity to hinder them. Despite what people like to think, tablets are “real” computers, just in  different form factor.

    Game consoles are a perfect example. Functionality limited by design, but user interface requires no though of the underlying complexity. Personally, I’ve been waiting for this for 20 years. I could never understand why I had to go into the filesystem at all to use a computer. DOS is dead, people!
    The use of Intel CPUs was a major boost to Apple, providing compatibility with Windows, but tablets don’t use Intel chips, and I don’t think the chip will matter in the future. All that matters is if we can do what we want/need, and can move our stuff when needed.

  • John Ramirez

    nope, not interested in this, this will be a huge fail on Apple, I really hope this does not happen.

  • GDal

    Do you realize that Mac OS is the basis for iOS? Rather, iOS is a branch from the OSX codebase. The important differences can be merged, and Lion and the AppStore are evidence of just that development direction.

  • heeloliver

    Windows looks more appealing by the day….

  • GDal

    I have a late 2006 MacBook that I haven’t upgraded yet for fear of performance issues. How much of a speed improvement have you experienced?

  • GDal


  • TechTeich

    This will happen but no where near 2012. Apple is already down the path to simplifying OS X (cough, Lion, cough). Probably the next steps will be to get rid of Finder (please don’t).

  • GDal

    Power isn’t the issue. The iPad is more powerful than a Pentium 3, and those were fine for content creation. The interface is fine for many things. The software isn’t there yet, and that’s not the tablet’s fault.

  • GDal

    iOS is unix, just like OSX.

  • Morgan

    Ed….. before you write another totally inaccurate and unfounded OPINION please call your sponsor.

  • freediverx

    Wow, “murder”? Really? Anything for the clicks, huh?

  • MarvihHarper

    I just paid $22.87 for an iPad 2-64GB and my girlfriend loves her Panasonic Lumix GF 1 Camera that we got for $38.76 there arriving tomorrow by UPS. I will never pay such expensive retail prices in stores again. Especially when I also sold a 40 inch LED TV to my boss for $657 which only cost me $62.81 to buy. Here is the website we use to get it all from,

  • MacGoo

    3-4 years, to be more precise. It really isn’t as far removed as some people think. OSX and iOS are both built using the same code. More than a matter of OS “robustness”, the transition is about challenging existing desktop computer paradigms and allowing time for hardware capabilities to catch up. Moore’s law says that will be relatively soon – 3-4 years or so out.

  • Guest

    Oh, great.  Just in time for the end of the world, as we know it… if you believe the Mayan Calendar.  What a bunch of BS.

  • Morgan

    There will never be a single OS strategy for Apple.  They currently have 2 phenomenal ecosystems with OSX and iOS.  The iOS ecosystem is a satellite environment to the OSX environment.  

    Aperture, FinalCut, Logic, etc… will never work in an iOS schema – the mindset and requisite workflow is not conducive to iOS.

    The lines may blur considerably – but iOS is a ARM driven mobile OS and OSX is definitely for heavy lifting.

    With the push Apple is making into the Enterprise and SMB space (internal business strategy that is driving significant revenue) I doubt this convergence to a single OS is really on Apple’s roadmap.

    The Cloud is great for content – lousy as a computing platform – hell the OSX App Store has already bit me in the butt due to not being able to re-install a corrupted app while disconnected.  Professionals and savvy users will not put up with this unless Apple is going to give it away.

  • Morgan

    Lion is NOT iOS.  It is lighter – but only because it dumped the PowerPC crap that they were keeping around.  It is faster – but only because the Core was redesigned for true 64bit and multi-core support.  It is NOT because of the iOS UI elements added to the OS.  I actually find LaunchPad and Mission Control to be a bit fat on resource usage and to invasive to be useful.  However the modified LaunchPad tools are making it more useful.

    The arguments that GDal keeps spewing make no sense nor do your assertions that the iOS’ification of Lion are the reasons behind your performance improvements.

    We will continue to see iOS and OSX benefit from advancements in each OS, however the cheap weed Ed was smoking when he had this “vision” is not going to influence Apple to become completely stupid.

  • Morgan

    a true iMaxiePad :-)


    Agreed.  The iPad makes by $3500 PowerMac from 1999 look like a pocket calculator when it comes to power.  However, if you want to get media professionals now accustomed to 16 cores, they’re going to have to step it up a notch.

  • gerenm63

    This might be fine for a home user, but for imaging, graphics, and video professionals who rely on the Mac OS platform to get real work done, it would be a fiasco. While I can see the advantage to commonizing the user experience, and providing a clean pathway to move data between MacOS and iOS devices, iOS apps simply won’t suffice for more intensive tasks.

  • Manny

    It makes a lot of sense and would definitely give Apple an edge if properly executed…and with all the recent additions to iOS5 we’re making a lot of progress towards a full OS that could be easily ported to macs. Personally I would prefer this as working from one platform to another would be seamless (games, development, office work, etc.).

  • techgeek01

    If this is the case, well, my iMac will be for sale the next day.  I will not support Apple any longer. Period.  The ONLY reason they want to go down this route is to lock down OS X, so everything (purchase wise) will go through them. Thats the reason.  They want people to buy their stuff and their stuff only.

    And I know plenty of mac users, if this happens, All their Apple devices WILL be for sale the next day.  Honestly?  These are die-hard mac users.

    If Apple wants to go this route? Thats perfectly fine with me.  But do NOT expect that people will be lining up for your devices anymore.  Because they won’t.

  • ChRiSmAc

    I don’t understand the mentality here and of a lot of the posts here.   Why is iOS so popular and great?   Because it’s based on OS X, and the interface is designed from the ground up for touch control and perfectly for the small screen of iPhones and iPads.   I don’t understand why we would want to graft an interface designed for small screens on the a desktop with a 24″ screen.

    A multitasking OS with multiple windows/apps open is the end result of evolution of OS’es.   Full screen apps, and hiding any and all complexity, dumbing it down, that’s like going back 20 years in computing.   Might as well go back to DOS.

    Mobile devices with small screens, and desktops require different interfaces.   Why have windows based tablets sucked so much?  Because Microsoft took their desktop OS and basically transferred it unchanged to the tablet.   In my opinion, doing the reverse and turning the desktop OS into iOS is just as bad.   Not that there can’t and shouldn’t be influence.  I’m all for taking iOS ideas and putting them into OS X where it makes sense, but please don’t take the desktop computer back 20 years.

  • macgizmo

    This just in: New Macs will run off the sweat on Steve Jobs’ balls.

    Call me when this mobile processor is capable of opening and manipulating the 1GB+ layered Photoshop files in real-time like I do all day on my MacPro.

  • Tombo

    Mac’s iPad

  • ChRiSmAc

    I agree.  I feel that is also the reason for eliminating optical drives.   I know you can still purchase external drives, but by Apple eliminating them, they are trying to kill the optical drive.   What is the result of that?   It eliminates a channel for software distribution.  No longer can you purchase software from Best Buy, the Apple Store.   You have to only purchase through digital download.   How does the software developer promote their software and get it out there visible to potential customers if they can’t purchase software off the shelf?

    The Mac App store is the answer, where Apple takes a 30% profit.

    I almost expect Apple to eventually lock down mac’s so that ONLY Apple approved software in the Mac App store can be installed on Macs.

  • Adam Schneider

    Sure, Apple will kill OS X Next year and probably announce Mac OS 11

  • Un_FollowMe

    You can’t accurately predict when the iPhone 5 will launch, but you think you have an idea what Apple with do with iOS and OS X a year from now? yeah sure! I can also predict when pigs will fly. 

  • Samuel Ford

    Yeah, and monkies might fly out my butt.

  • John Branham

    There is such a thing as TOO simple. I believe Apple figured that out with Final Cut Pro X.

  • AlleyGator

    Ed Sutherland, if I call myself an analyst and tell you Apple’s going to ship
    a 30″ iPad in 2012, are you going to post it to Cult of Mac? No. Or at least I hope no. So why would you write
    this article?
    As a “veteran technology journalist” you should know immediately that this
    guy is an idiot. iPad processors sound strong but they’re WEAK. They are probably 4 years away from being as
    powerful as an XBox 360, a console that came out in 2006. They’re 5 years away from 64 bit
    processors, which all of Apple’s desktop software has been rewritten to
    This is just shoddy journalism. You start out saying it’s “Likely” and end saying “We’re skeptical”. It’s likely that you’re skeptical?
    If you want a scoop, here’s a scoop: The merging of OS X and iOS will be in
    iCloud, not in the operating system. The Laptop is just a device. The iPad is just a device. The
    iPod Nano is just a device. They will all talk to iCloud, and iCloud will be the
    center of your digital lifestyle.

  • thepixelfreak

    I’m with Gareth. Oh, BTW, the unix in iOS is only accessible if you jailbreak the device. I’ve got more important things to do than continually jailbreaking my work tool every time a new os is released.


    OSX is powering iOS, then iOS will power OSX?

    My brain just prolapsed. 

  • John Branham

    does “fade out and replace” really have the same effect? Nope… You’d do it to- anyone would and everyone does.

  • BriZap

    But they are doing the almost equivalent of that by forcing users to use their WP7 UI on their PCs with Windows 8.

  • Josh Yates

    All I can say is if this happens, I may have to ditch the Mac…I use my MBP for actual work!  I love my iPad/iPhone, but when I really need to work, I’m on my MBP.  I can do some work within iOS, but OSX provides the computing space needed for real things.  Here’s to hoping this article is bunk!

  • djrobsd

    If this happens, I’m sure stock in Dell, HP, and Lenovo will soar… as will MSFT… And AAPL will die a slow death.

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    Check out this great apple bog for all the up to date news on everything apple!

    Even news on the iPhone 5

  • Esaú Canto

    cool story…

  • Callum Kerr

    I’m pretty sure it will happen, but I’d rather see more of iOS in OS X, but I don’t want something that looks like iOS on my Mac.

  • GJNilsen

    With the release of iMovie Pro and axing of the PRO editing suite, Apple showed us they don’t care about Aperture or Logic. Aperture will become iPhoto Pro, and Logic will become GarageBand Pro. And work great on the iPad.

  • Daniel Cardoso Balieiro

    Making the Mac OS X compatible with iOS Apps and gradually encourage Desktop App developers to redesign their software to use touch screen makes much more sense in a possible iMac OS and the “road to unification” of two systems that in fact, share a same starting point. No?

  • GDal

    True the Unix base is hidden, but I still cannot understand why you need direct access to it at all. Is there some function you will create that will make the system better? If so, why not put it on the market for others to benefit from.

  • GDal

    This is very true, and a special case. That kind of power will not be provided by tablets, but a system by which the tablet can offload heavy processing tasks to more powerful servers when needed can be created. This has been done before for desktops.

  • Mitchell Busby

    The only real reason they would go away from Intel is that Intel is creating chips that are designed to compete with Apple’s iDevices. I can imagine it makes Apple execs not too excited to funnel a portion of every Mac sale to one of their main competitors.
    Well, that’s what I’ve read anyway, and it makes sense to me, HOWEVER, ARM processors aren’t the way to go yet.

  • Dilbert A

    Weak troll.

  • Dilbert A

    Big ass HP indeed.

  • Dilbert A

    I was thinking the same thing.

  • coreywagehoft

    ARM processors are a very long way off in terms of performance to be able to handle daily tasks let alone “pro” level applications.  I agree with your point, that I am sure Apple is not happy with Intel creating competing mobile chips against their “iDevice” chips, but I don’t think that is enough to push Apple away from Intel.

  • jnjnjn3

    I read this on my iPad …

  • JDWages

    Being a Mac desktop user since 1984, and one who still doesn’t own any iOS devices, I certainly don’t want the iOS and OS X we know today to merge.  But knowing Steve Jobs, it probably will a few years from now, if not but for one reason.  Seriously, what are you going to call “OS X” after version 10.9.9?  You can’t call it OS X after that because everyone knows X=10!  But to leap from OS X to OS XI (or whatever the MBA’s at Apple ultimately decide to label it) means there must be as big a jump from X to XI as there was from OS 9 to OS X.  A merging of iOS and OS X could be that leap, in the eyes of Steve Jobs.

    What I don’t want to end up with is a situation were most local storage becomes a thing of the past.  Imagine a world where everyone is using The Cloud.  Then something happens to that Cloud such that it goes down for days or even a few weeks.  Without local storage, everyone dependent on that Cloud goes down until that Cloud goes back up.  That is a frightful scenario that very well could happen.  We cannot imagine it right now because we all have local storage today, but this article is talking about 5 years into the future.  The future will be very different from today, so it could be that many may lack local storage at that point in time.

    I love much of what Apple does (and especially what their actions have done for AAPL), but as an end user I’ve learned not to love them blindly.  Even though some contend it does no good, I am an advocate of letting one’s voice be continually heard at Apple’s feedback section:

  • WorldsHotCake

    Is iOS and OS X merging?

  • WorldsHotCake

     Is iOS and OS X merging?

  • Platform_Agnostic

    analyst – from the latin term anal lystrum – meaning one who pulls meaningless things from their ass to pass as fact

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  • Sam Parmenter

    The day they do this is the day I use linux as my OS of choice.

  • Shameer Mulji

    Next year no.  In 2013 I can see it happening.

  • David Butt

    “It eliminates a channel for software distribution.  No longer can you purchase software from Best Buy, the Apple Store.   You have to only purchase through digital download.   How does the software developer promote their software and get it out there visible to potential customers if they can’t purchase software off the shelf?”

    The last boxed software I purchased was about 1994 – 96, when the ‘internet’ was still largely dial-up, and OS/2 was a contender for the desktop. Even then, updates were a download. As the internet grew & speeds increased, it became ever more sensible to download. I can get far more valuable information sitting in my reclina-rocker with my laptop in hand, than I can from the pretty box in the store. Digital download is not a plan for the future, it has been the norm for decades; it has taken a while for the platform to make it more transparent to install, but in my opinion, the ease of installation as from the App Store is the way of the future.


  • nthnm

    I highly doubt this will happen. I think iOS will evolve over the years as hardware becomes more powerful.
    If it were to happen, I definitely wouldn’t upgrade.

  • Zulvianes Budiman

    iOS was born and inspired from the Mac. Merging? Them? Murdering Mac OS X? I don’t know what’s inside Steve Jobs brain, but right now this article seems to be (pretty much), i should say… dumb. 

  • Don Johnson

    Why wait?!?!?! Start now!

  • ncus

    That’s bullshit! Whoever the analyst, she/he doesn’t have any clue about the future of OS X.

  • dS.

    I think i heard the author farting in between sentences.

  • MoistPup

    It really isn’t that big of a leap. 

  • MoistPup

    You obviously don’t work in technology.  Access to the file system is imperative to software development work.  Access to a command line is vital for network admins, and database admins.  This work cannot be done efficiently in the UI.

  • MoistPup

    This article is idiotic.  Everything from anti-trust implications of a locked down OS on a full fledged computing device, to developers losing the ability to actually develop for the iOS (clue for the clueless, you don’t develop iOS apps on iOS devices they have to be developed in OS X environments.)

  • harryshares

    Stop this spam!!!! Blooody f****

  • Jordan Stocker

    and this will be the new macs… LOL

  • JDWages

    And you honestly think that is what “Apple” would do?  I remain doubtful about that.  Knowing Steve Jobs, he will skip 10.10 and just merge iOS and OS X and call it some new name.  That’s what worries me.

  • GDal

    Interesting. I had no idea it was so obvious. Or is it?

    You seem to be confusing access to a file system with having the ability to organize projects. I’d love to know what dev you’re doing that requires you to access each file by constantly using its full path. In my world I use IDEs. The source paths are set once and never changed. All files are accessed through the IDE. Parts of projects may call for the creation of new folders, but the IDE handles that too. With IDEs, direct access to file system is not needed at all. Oddly enough, I have also never lost a file for a project managed by an IDE. I wonder though… Do you use vi for your dev?

    Similar file management principles can be applied to other data. Photos, media, documents, PDFs, anything. As long as the program accesses the files, I will never need direct access to the file system.

    Direct access to the file system will also never help you to modify entries in or fix Windows registries.

    The only time one might need access to the file system directly is if there is data corruption and the file system becomes scrambled. But, when was the last time that happened? File system access vs RAID1 or restoring backups? I’ll take RAID1 or backups. If the file system was corrupted, why would I trust the drive any more?

    Access to the command line is not needed in most cases either. Access to tools that can do the job is vital, but the command line is not what provides you that. The tools you use may only exist as command line tools, but GUI tools can be written that do just as well or better.

    Command line tools are usually the first to be created for servers, but don’t think that they are the only tools ever available. If so that’s just laziness on the part of the developers. These tools are just software, and guess what? Software can be written for GUIs too. You’re simply ignoring the fact that whoever created the server/db system you’re dealing with did an incomplete job of creating proper tools.

    This lack of proper tool creation is typical of Microsoft, and even more typical of the Linux/Unix crowd. Arrogant ignorance of the power of GUI interfaces is a major reason Linux is not as widely accepted as it could be. If a command line version is created, why not create a GUI version that does the same or more? Then again, which GUI? HTML? Gnome? KDE? Plain X? Another problem with Linux.

    Some have taken up the challenge of creating good GUI tools. A perfect example as a DB admin is phpMyAdmin. GUI (web) tool, ugly, but damned functional. Command line tools cannot beat it. And you can run your own SQL through it, without ever hitting the command line. I can’t remember the last time I used the command line for db administration.

    If good tools are not available, and the command line is the only choice, I’d say you have a poor excuse for a network or database management system, and you paid too much for it.

    I have to add that I use Git for my versioning system, and there is one thing use the command line for. Pushing and pulling. (I created a script that I use from my GUI though.) Other than that, it’s all GUI. But it’s free, and damned useful, so I’m not complaining. Linus will always be a command line king, so I don’t expect him to create GUI tools.

    I think in the future, devs will pay a bit more attention to the little details to make their software both more appealing and more useful, focussing on the human interface much more than just the raw functionality.

    These debates remind me of the old car debates. Carbs vs fuel injection. Computers vs no computers. New with covered engines vs old where everything’s readily accessible. It was funny and silly then, and the old codgers have now stopped making all that noise. Hehe

  • Sean Brassman

    Poor comprehension.

  • mai duc chung

    The usual idea is that you would use NFC to set up the link between the two devices and then do an automatic hand over to a different protocol for doing the actual transfer of data – eg Bluetooth,iphone 5

  • alucard1979

    I read this on my Mac…

  • MacGoo

    Well hi there Dilbert! Not quite sure you understand the meaning of the phrase – trolling doesn’t include EVERYTHING that runs counter to what you want to hear. Guess I should share a wikipedia link, eh?

  • MacGoo

    What I read throughout your post is a stalwart refusal to consider any paradigm shift away from what is currently established, which is wrong thinking. None of your objections are insurmountable in the timeframe proposed, and Apple has a history of doing what they feel will be best for the long-term outlook of their technology –  Sometimes to the momentary chagrin of power users stuck in old paradigms.

  • MoistPup

    If you are doing crapware that doesn’t require fine tuning, yes, you probably have no need to access a file system.  
    On the other hand if you actually care about how bloated your software is, yes, you need access to the file system. 
    I use Eclipse btw.  I also use command line terminal for compilation, ftp, ssh, version control, and other things that I do NOT want to do in a UI.

  • GDal

    When fine tuning your programs, you run your tests using whatever test suite you have, and then you modify the source files with the IDE to implement changes. Then you call the compiler from the IDE. And read the error logs from the IDE. And commit changes to the VCS using the GUI. (Git hides its files so you don’t mess with them directly.)

    What do you do that is so special that the IDE, VCS GUI, and compiler can’t? You haven’t defined how accessing files directly through the file system or command line makes fine tuning any more effective.

    Your expressed preference for command line tools is not proof of necessity. We all have our preferences. Many prefer to use GUI tools that make the work easier. (Well designed tools. Crappy tools do make things harder.)

    You yourself use GUI tools in your dev, the slow hog that Eclipse is. If command line is so great, why not stick with it for everything? vi or emacs for coding. FTP shell to transfer individual files. Committing individual files to the versioning system. Diff to compare files.

    This all sounds really silly to me, especially since not a single one of those tasks is done any more effectively, and all are certainly done much less efficiently with command line tools.

    And SSH is just a further extension of this command line handicap. I only use it for secure file transfers, with GUI tools.

    I’m sure most developers prefer to focus on productivity rather than command line geek cred.

  • GDal

    Can anyone tell me why computer complexity needs to be presented to the end user? Wasn’t the whole point of Mac, Windows and GUIs to hide the unnecessary complexity?

    The so-called evolution of multi-tasking with multiple windows/apps open is not a result of evolution at all. Today’s systems are the result of engineers trying to stuff more crap into an already existing framework. Unix and Windows have both taken the same approach to multi-tasking. Time slicing. Let the program have as much as it “needs” and throttle it when it’s not crucial. This has required, and spurred, the vast increases in computing power we’ve seen over the last twenty years. Nothing has structurally changed with the handling of multi-tasking in the last 30 years.

    iOS has caused Apple’s engineers to rethink multi-tasking completely. And rightly so. A program that does nothing does not need to be in memory. Idle apps just take up unneeded room and waste CPU cycles.

    I currently have 100 apps “running” on my iPhone. Not just installed, but shown as running. (Try that with Android! Or Windows for that matter.) 

    When I look at the “activity monitor” (which Apple didn’t bother to include and I had to download as an app – “Memory”) I see that only 19 are in memory and running. Of those about 15 (I think) receive push notifications. All the other 81 apps are gone, and I guess a pointer to their state is all that’s left in memory.

    Great! This means no performance lags due to memory taken by idle apps. The other good thing is that apps are now broken into different components. This means that an app only remains in memory when needed, and only the small parts that need to stay in memory. The apps that don’t need to be in memory (games, etc) can go away, but their state can be recalled faster than any human can notice.

    We’ve gone from multi-tasking to multi-threading and now to multi-portioning (?). 

    Apple has done a great job with redefining and redesigning the multi-tasking system in iOS, and I suppose the future Mac OSX incarnations.

    To me it seems only natural that they would bring this massive improvement to the desktop. Along with everything else they have learned from the many iOS improvements, these changes can only make OSX better. Faster, smaller, less CPU (and thus power) hungry, and less memory intensive, all without compromising functionality.

    I can’t wait to see it. No more Beach Balls… No more hot laptops. No more high speed fans running because of Flash… All problems iOS hasn’t demonstrated.

    Add to that the reduced complexity to the end user, I can only see these changes as majorly positive steps.

  • GDal

    Let me know when they go for sale. I’ll buy the lot hahah.

  • GDal

    Have you forgotten the Shareware movement of the 90s? There were no disks to buy. You downloaded everything. I never bought software on disk back then if I could avoid it. And in those days, CD burners were expensive. No USB thumb drives existed.

    Now we have all kinds of ways to get our software. USB drives, DVDs and downloads. I have TB drives and broadband. Why would I want to buy software in a box? For the added clutter?

    Everyone complains about the AppStore and it’s 30% cut… What cut does your local retailer take? And how about the distribution channel?

    ***Apple – 30%:
    A very low fee for market entry

    Easy (instant) distribution and management
    No billing hassles
    No printing and packaging costs
    No duplication costs
    No distribution costs
    No marketing or promotion costs
    Complete pricing control
    Almost immediate payment on purchases

    Of the $50 price for an App Store game sale, the dev gets to keep $35.

    30% ($15) seems like a lot to give up, but…

    ***Regular Retailers/Distribution – 40-90%:
    Retailers generally require at least 40%.
    Distributors take up to 30%.
    Printing and packaging costsDisc duplication costsShipping costsMarketing costs, including purchasing retail shelf space.
    And the added hassles of:
    Stale products remaining in the distribution channels
    Distributor shipping deadlines
    Managing different distributor logistics
    Delayed payment receipt of 30-90+ days

    Of the $50 for a boxed retail video game in Best Buy, how much do you think the developer sees? Take away 80% and you might get close. 90% more likely. $5. And with the added costs of “doing business” that $5 may be only $1-2 in the end.

    If you look at just the retail cut, the App Store is already a bargain. With the elimination of numerous hassles and headaches, it looks even better.
    30% or 80-90%. Which would you rather give up to sell your software?

    And think of all the free apps that can now be distributed using the same method. Shareware never had it so good!

    What does the consumer get?
    A solid source for software
    Access to a wider range of software
    Easy browsing from home/office/mobile
    No need to go looking in stores, then not finding the package you want
    Update notifications
    Software returns (Try that at a retailer!)
    Management of past purchases – No disks to store/break
    Download old purchases unlimited times
    Better licensing terms (5-10 installs from one purchase)
    Extremely low risk of malware/viruses (Sony malware ring a bell?)

    And the knowledge that credit card details are not sent to every Tom Dick and Harry that we buy from.

    How is this bad for either the developer or the users? The only ones who suffer are the retailers/distributors with their archaic profit protectionism. Yes, Apple gains, but they bring a LOT to the developers’ aide.

    Self-distribution is still an option, although the exposure provided by the App Store can be extremely beneficial.

  • GDal

    Apple doesn’t prevent anyone developing for iOS. The “locked down” iOS isn’t really locked down, just more controlled. Less/no chance of malware/virus infection, and that’s really important to everyone, even if they aren’t aware of it.

    I’m hopeful the desktop version won’t be as controlled, just like OSXThe iOS dev tools may come to iOS one day, I’m sure… I hope they come soon.

  • GDal

    Hehehe! What a mess!

  • GDal

    Didn’t people say that OSX was useless for design work back when it was introduced? The uproar from OS9 fans was loud too.

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  • Peter Nicholson

    Lion doesn’t look just like iOS, what are you on about? The launchpad looks like the home screen of the iPad, that’s it. The app store is separate. iTunes on Mac is iTunes, Music, App Store, and iBooks on iOS. iOS is for touch screens – Apple have specifically said touch-notebooks aren’t easy to use.