iTunes 11 Is Coming In September, Will Be Rewritten From The Ground Up [Rumor]

iTunes 11 Is Coming In September, Will Be Rewritten From The Ground Up [Rumor]

One of the perpetual complaints levied at Apple over the years is the fact that iTunes is a bloated mess of an app that tries to do too many things at once to maintain Apple-style elegance.

No doubt Apple would love to address these concerns, but what it would take is a complete overhaul and rewriting of the software from the ground-up. Give how much of Apple’s business links into iTunes — everything from apps, to music purchases, to iBooks, to iPhone, iPod and iPad syncing — that’s a prohibitive task.

A prohibitive task, according to reports, that Apple’s already in the thick of.

According to a “reliable source” speaking to iDownload Blog, September will see the debut of iTunes 11, a version of iTunes that will have been rewritten from the ground up with an updated UI and better iCloud integration.

From what we’re hearing, the UI would be much more cleaner and “slick.” iCloud is also going to be more closely integrated with iTunes. Rather than the iTunes Store being essentially a web browser, the Store will actually be integrated into the entire app— much like Spotify is currently.

We’re also hearing that iCloud backups will be integrated into iTunes. This means if you back up your iDevice to iCloud, that same backup will be stored locally on your computer. Also, app data from iCloud will be synced closely with iTunes. For example, if you beat a level in Angry Birds, that level data will be synced to iCloud and then to your iTunes library.

It sounds plausible. Right now, devs are using iTunes 10.5 to test iOS 5 Beta, but much of the iCloud functionality hasn’t been rolled out to that version of iTunes yet. It’s possible Apple is holding back a big update to iTunes until the September iPod event, and certainly, the addition of iCloud could certainly warrant a total redesign.

That said, I’d want to see the credentials on iDownloadBlog’s source before betting on this one.

  • AlterThending

    I don’t see why iTunes 10.5 beta would be happening if iTunes 11 was just around the corner. They could easily of put iCloud, etc in iTunes 10.4 

  • Brandon Olsen

    I doubt it. iTunes 10 was a visual overhaul, and iTunes 10.4 was a complete rewrite in 64-bit and Cocoa. I don’t see why they would start over when they’ve already completely remade it.

  • Tallest_Skil

    IIIIIIIIIII like it.

    FINALLY we get a true rewrite. Maybe the iTunes Artwork will automatically cache itself instead of us having to freaking scroll down our entire lists, stopping on each line, and waiting for it to load.

  • chevelleinc

    I’d love to see Apple ditch iTunes as a go-to app for media purchases. How about they merge the Mac App Store with the iTunes Store (leaving us with one spot for all our app/media purchases) and leave iTunes to do what it was originally met to be - a media library/player?

  • Tallest_Skil

    “Could easily HAVE”.

    10.4 was necessary for Lion features. 10.5 adds iCloud. 11 will be a complete rewrite using both.

    Apple is doing the absolutely correct thing for once. They’re introducing one feature set at a time, getting it right, and then moving on with the next set in the next version.

  • ShnoozyK

    Here is what Apple should do with iTunes… iTunes will just be a music player and then Apple would make “The Apple Supermarket”

    http://dearapple.com/2011/06/a

  • PierreTouzet

    It doesn’t make sense to me. Why would Apple have rewritten iTunes 10.4 in 64 bit Cocoa to replace with a totally overhauled version built from scratch months later?

  • lwdesign1

    Just what about iTunes is such a “bloated mess”? I find the interface very simple and easy to use. I have my entire library of 33.9GB of music and video (5055 items), and use it every day. It’s simple to use and I’ve never had a problem with it since version 1.0–so who is it that’s complaining about it and what exactly are “they” saying?

  • ShnoozyK

    I agree 100%! Here is what that might be like…

    http://dearapple.com/2011/06/a

  • Todd Hensley

    I don’t have a problem with the UI layout or features, but responsiveness of iTunes on Windows is horrible no matter how much memory or CPU you have.

  • MachOSX

    It’s sluggish and slow, even on a quad core machine with 4 GBs of RAM.

  • MstrSirus

    Where can I get that icon?

  • crateish

    I like the current iTunes, however it may just be that I am just ‘used to it’ after so many, many years.

    With the coming of iCloud and the awesome iTunes Match, I would have been surprised if there wasn’t a substantial redesign. I could not picture a clean way to implement these services.

    I approve and am looking forward to the total rollout in the Fall.

  • Soho22

    What exactly is slow? Not for me.

  • Soho22

    Nowhere.

  • Hampus

    Good question, the Apps tab when managing an iOS device is often a bit sluggish but besides that it’s usually pretty quick…

  • Hampus

    I’d say it’s more logical to have the iTunes store, a media store, be part of the media player.
    If anything they could move the iOS App Store out of iTunes and put it in the Mac App Store, but in that case (and moving the entire store) they would have to release another windows app, easier to keep it in one.

  • Hampus

    “Rather than the iTunes Store being essentially a web browser, the Store
    will actually be integrated into the entire app— much like Spotify is
    currently.”

    That statement is kinda funny… It’s gonna feel less like a browser and be more integegrated, like spotify, which feels like a browser :p even more so since there are no purchases in the app it self, (not the last time I check), just links to external websites.

    Let’s hope for a better and easier way to put together a quick playlist, a playlist of songs you want to play now, not one to save for later. WMP, Zune, Vlc, Foobar, just about every media player out there have a playlist right next to the media library, in iTunes you have to use iTunes DJ and feed it an empty playlist if you don’t want it to add more to the list.

  • Hampus

    Hmm never had that problem…

  • Wayne_Luke

    Hopefully they break it up…. 

    iStore, iSync, Music Player, Video Player. It doesn’t all need to be in one application. The iDevices have shown that breaking it up into its component parts makes it a lot easier to deal with. So let it be the “iMedia” suite instead of one bloated application.

  • lwdesign1

    OK, slow for you, not for me. I’ve got a much older 2006 Mac Pro with dual 2.66 GHz processors and 8GB RAM, and it’s as quick and snappy as the day I installed it, despite my vast library. I can find content in a flash and switch from songs to apps to videos and books in the blink of an eye–so something is up with your quad core Mac. Ah, I’m assuming you have a Mac, right? If it’s a Windows machine, well there’s your problem right there.

  • Hampus

    If you call making icons grayscale and the app itself a bit brighter a complete visual overhaul… And iTunes 10.4 wasn’t a complete rewrite, just adjusted for Cocoa and compiled for 64bit, if there was so much work to it the number would have changed more.

    iTunes look good, but it could look better.

  • MstrSirus

    found it on deviantArt Graphite iTunes

  • Hampus

    Yea, nowhere…
    Or just right-click and save the 512×512 png and use that…
    Or alternatively, after seeing the filename (after opening the save dialogue) search for iTunes graphite icon and find this http://asdelpar.deviantart.com… and download the icon from there.

  • Deocliciano Okssipin Vieira

    Thanks for that logo!

    iTunes is the best non PRO Apple software.
    Even in my two old iMacs it works fine.

  • lwdesign1

    This is bizarre. This NEVER happens with my 2006 Mac Pro running Mac OS X 10.6.8 and the latest iTunes. I never have to wait for iTunes to do anything and I have a HUGE library.  Are you using a Mac or Windows? I have iTunes installed on 4 iMacs, a MacBook Pro and my work Mac Pro and have not seen this behavior even once. I can’t speak for how iTunes runs on Windows, but from my experience on the Mac, it’s as snappy as programs get. If you have a Mac, take it to your local Apple store for a Genius checkup. If you use Windows, find a reputable guru who’s familiar with iTunes for Windows and have him debug all the spyware, trojans, viruses and other malware you’ve collected.

  • Manny

    Not sure if this rumor is well founded, developers would’ve seen beta versions by now if that was real and iTunes 10.5 isn’t rewritten from the ground up…September is not realistic in my opinion.

  • CharliK

    On the Mac there are a lot of things inside iTunes that could be pulled out. For example, put the store separate like the whole Mac store is. Or how about plugging in a device and rather than waiting for iTunes you just click on the device icon and there’s the sync windows. You pop in a cd and you get a little window for picking play or import not unlike when you put in a blank and so on. iTunes itself could stay as the organizer and perhaps playback but the rest could go (although a part of me would rather have a separate playback that grows out of DVD player and he defunct front row)

  • Gimpymw

    I find it’s generally that its the windows people complaining about their veision of iTunes and that’s where most of the complaints of sluggishness stem from. I have iTunes running on three different Macs and I have no complaints.

  • prof_peabody

    Because it’s easier and more sensible to do it that way? 

  • PierreTouzet

    It’s not like if the 32-bit Carbon version of iTunes ran badly. We could have waited a few more month with the old version.
    OR the new version won’t be totally rebuilt from the group up, it will have the same base.

  • lwdesign1

    This makes no sense to me whatsoever. Why fragment these functions into separate software? It would make the user experience more confusing and difficult than the ease of use it currently has, at least on the Mac. iTunes takes less than 5 seconds to launch on my old 2006 Mac Pro (with nearly 4GB of content), and I usually keep it running in the background every day, so there’s zero wait time for me. Having the iTunes Store within the program makes perfect sense–why would I possibly want to open a DIFFERENT program to browse and buy additional music or movies? I fail to see what all the hubub is about iTunes being slow and bloated.

    It appears the Windows version of iTunes can be buggy, but then there’s so much that can be slowing down WinPCs that has nothing to do with iTunes (viruses, trojans, spyware, etc.) that we never see on the Mac. Frankly, I find iTunes to be one of Apple’s most outstanding pieces of software for simplicity, speed, intuitiveness and ease of use–and I’ve been using Macs full time since 1989, so I’m not some Mac neophyte.

  • djrobsd

    Yes Please.  You know the app is a bloated mess when itunes takes 5 seconds to launch, even on my 500mbps SSD drive… LOL It would be faster if Apple would use MYSQL or SQLLite or some sort of actual database to keep track of the music files.

  • lwdesign1

    Bad idea! Buying music and movies within the program that plays them makes perfect sense and is intuitive. As long as your Mac is in good shape or WinPC isn’t crudded up with crapware and malware, it runs lightning fast. Putting music and movies into the App Store is both unintuitive and fragmented. Yes iTunes is a great media library/player. Where else would you expect to buy your media? Sheesh! I’m glad you’re not designing software for Apple!

  • Shameer Mulji

    Actually, I have iTunes 10.4 installed on a Win7 machine dual-core cpu & 2GB of RAM and it runs like a dream.  Too bad to hear many people running iTunes on Windows are having problems.  I wonder if most of those are running Windows XP as opposed to Windows 7.

  • lwdesign1

    Yup, and the average WinPC can be carrying such a load of malware that it’s amazing that it boots up. I had a Windows laptop for 4 years that I used infrequently just to test web sites I’d designed for clients. As the months went by it went slower and slower, even though I had reputable anti-virus software installed and updated regularly. I eventually had to do major troubleshooting, manual deletion of various bits of crud that I found, along with several calls to Microsoft and other vendors to get the laptop back up to speed. It took hours. It’s amazing that WinPC owners put up with this and don’t see it as anything but normal. In contrast, my 5 Macs run 24/7 with no anti-virus software, and even though years old, still run as snappy as they did when brand new.

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  • lwdesign1

    Wait a minute! You’re saying 5 seconds to load the program, artwork and gigabytes of data is SLOW? What technological dream universe do you live in? This instant gratification thing has a real hold on you to the point of silliness. Your ideas of using SQL or a separate database is ridiculous–the all in one approach is simple, elegant and non-confusing. I have no idea why anyone would consider it either bloated or a mess. iTunes works blazingly fast without any problems on all 5 of my Macs. Must be a Windows thing, or maybe you like complexity. Yikes!

  • Guest

    iTunes 11 is insanely light-weight and fast!! Can’t wait until they officially announce it.

  • John Branham

    itunes isn’t THAT bad… all they need to do is create an App specifically for syncing and back up settings for iOS devices. iTunes should be all about the media, but not the exchanging of said media to the devices.

  • Ian McPhee

    I think iTunes is a one-fit-for-too-much app. personally, i’d like to see an app store, a movies and tv store, a book store and a podcast store. We’ve been using it for years with iPhoto in a different app so why not split them up into different applications?

    of course, if you want to sync, then all your downloads should be centralised but having tv, books, movies, podcasts and so on in a app called i “Tunes” seems wrong to me. 

    i sync should deal with this – all your devices such as iPads, iPhones and so on. Then we can have a more manageable system to organise and purchase our downloads. just my 2 cents.

  • Anders Lund

    My last PC had Windows 7 installed on it since it was RTM. Ran just fine, no problems, to the day I switched computer (to a faster/newer) a little month ago. Only one thing got slower all the time … iTunes. 30-60 start time. Not always detecting my iPhone via USB and when it did, it was with a delay.

    Apple just sucks at writing Windows software. Don’t know how iTunes runs on a Mac.

  • Anders Lund

    You keep on blaming Windows, when other more sophisticated programs on Windows start way more faster. The problem is Appels failure to write Windows software.

    And by the way – iTunes does not load “artwork and gigabytes of data”. It just need to start. When you browse your media, it starts loading stuff – and even then, it does not need to read gigabytes of data.

  • Anders Lund

    You keep on blaming Windows, when other more sophisticated programs on Windows start way more faster. The problem is Appels failure to write Windows software.

    And by the way – iTunes does not load “artwork and gigabytes of data”. It just need to start. When you browse your media, it starts loading stuff – and even then, it does not need to read gigabytes of data.

  • Macmann

    Where are you people finding these problems? My G4 iMac from 2003 runs iTunes beautifully. So does my current 24 inch iMac with an Intel processor. It’s worked a dream forever. Never takes longer than about 4 seconds to load. Never stalls when starting a file. 

  • lwdesign1

    Yes, I blame Windows, continually. I used it for years and it always felt cobbled-together and horrendously inelegant. Windows has so much malware, spyware, trojans and viruses floating around that it’s nearly impossible to keep your system clean unless you do a complete clean reinstall every few months. It may be different now with Win7, but I’m skeptical. I’ve seen other posts by Windows users saying iTunes works just fine and is fast on their computers, so the problem I believe is not with iTunes but with whatever other crud has infected your system, or some arcane software/hardware incompatibility so common in the Windows world.

    I’m a graphic designer and use my Macs hard every single day for 8-10 hours, then simply put them to sleep for the night without turning them off. I have nary a virus or problem with any of them. Conversely I have loads of clients who use Windows who are A) terrified of doing something wrong with their computers, B) have no idea why they have so much trouble doing simple things, C) won’t install any new software (see A), and D) have chronic problems with their computers they’ve never been able to fix.

    A good case in point is a general contractor/designer in California. He’s been a client of mine for 15 years and had a top of the line Windows system and 3 monitors. After designing a web site for him last year he complained that the photos of his gorgeous design work looked blurry. After some digging I found he had his 30″ monitor set to 1024 pixels, because if he had the resolution set any higher he couldn’t read his emails (text got too small). He’d had several technicians in to work on his system but to no avail. He had been complaining for years about problems with his various Windows systems, and I finally had it. I told him his problem was WINDOWS and the built-in complexity and potential for hardware/software mismatches or incompatibilities, and malware. I told him that this crap just never happens on a Mac. A week later he told me he’d gone out and bought a Mac Pro, a 30″ Apple Cinema Display, and a MacBook Pro for himself, and an iMac for his wife. It took him about a month to get adjusted to the Mac, but he got a lot of help from the local Apple Store, and he’s now glowingly happy about his computer. All his former problems are simply GONE. Yes, I blame Windows.

  • rockinrors

    You think iTunes is slow?
    Try using GarageBand.

  • facebook-100000670318505

    what machine are you on cause i am 2010 macbook air bottome end and it is quick and slick (11Iinch 1.4gh 60gb flash) 

  • facebook-100000670318505

    i dont care what it looks like as long as i can reed book from the ibook store !!!

  • pennstate

    I found this new apple blog and its great!
    http://applefanboynews.com/

  • jamald

    I think some time in the future, the app store won’t be part of iTunes. Now that there’s iCloud, it makes sense that apps for each device should be purchased from that device. Having an iPhone/iPad app store inside of iTunes is not very intuitive. It would be nice to see iTunes be freed of some of these responsibilities thanks to iCloud. 

  • Pete Wolfinger

    Not really. It’d be like Safari having the app store built in because, you know, apps use the internet and Safari is the app for internet. It makes more sense iMO (pun intended) to build the two stores together and leave iTunes for just music. Or, better yet, start moving the iOS names for apps over – Address Book should be Contacts, iTunes should be Music, System Preferences should be Settings, etc.

  • GDal

    I agree, they should be separated. Just like the Mac App Store, the iTunes store and iOS App Stores should be separate apps. Less confusing that way, and more in line with iOS in general. iTunes should be for playing music and videos only.

    Sync should be done by a different app (or background service), and the stores should be stores.I find the combined iTunes unintuitive. iTunes to buy apps??? Tunes? Apps? Music I can understand, but apps?Maybe it could be just iTunes with a store for music and videos, and an App Store app for iOS and Mac apps together. Just like AppShopper.com. iBook store app too.

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  • GooneyGooGoo

    Yes everyone! Jump on board and dump more money into iTunes.

    http://bit.ly/dI3hcF

  • Junaidkureshi

    agreed

  • Junaidkureshi

    in windows, reputable Anti-virus itself is a big reason for being slow, else windows do, so its a combination of slow asses. 

  • Junaidkureshi

    believe me i was windows user since start, last year switched to mac i had same problem with iTunes, but since I’m on mac, its perfect, everything is so organized and after lion its 1 X 1.5 now, i have no problems may be others have don’t know the reason.

  • Anders Lund

    “Windows has so much malware, spyware, trojans and viruses floating around that it’s nearly impossible to keep your system clean unless you do a complete clean reinstall every few months”

    FUD

    Of cause, if you like to click on everything and install ramdom programs, then Windows might not be for you. Mac is a better choice, because most malware is targeted at Windows.

    I have never had a problem with malware since I started using Windows 3.1. Yeah, I have antivirus programs installed, but there can go years between them detecting anything. I even tried a couple of years to run without any antivirus protection with no problems.

    “I’ve seen other posts by Windows users saying iTunes works just fine and is fast on their computers, so the problem I believe is not with iTunes but with whatever other crud has infected your system”

    No infections, just iTunes starting slow. Let me turn it around: Why is it ONLY iTunes that is affected? Why am I able to start 5 Microsoft Office programs in the same time, that iTunes need? I admit, “something” in Windows might make problems for iTunes, but why is it ONLY iTunes, that has the problems? Why aren’t my VMWare Workstation slow? Why does Chrome start fast? Why does Picasa start super fast even though it also has a huge database to read in? Why is there no/little delay when Steam starts, even as it has to log on to the Steam servers?

    I will tell you: Apple can’t code for Windows. It should just be a matter of loading the GUI and display some information from a database but somehow Apple fail at doing such a simple task. Or maybe they just write bad code for Windows, so they look better on the Mac.

  • Cgs101

    iTunes works great.
    Which means Apple will definitely mess with it. :(

  • Arslan Azmat

    Probably its launched along with iPhone 5

  • jongar jabbar

    itunes sux
    thats all I am going to say

    itunes store also sux
    even though it works very well if you know exactly what you want to buy
    unlike amazon, its very difficult to browse and get information on
    the product you want to buy

    not to mention sometimes loads in the wrong way
    and sometimes a website shows up instead of the store

  • Finlay MacArthur

    Quiet agree, I think It’s a bag of poo.

  • Colin McCready

    It’s a shame that many of those people below who do not experience the very poor performance of iTunes themselves are either denying the existance/scale of the problem, or trying to blame it on external problems such as Windows malware.
    Get over it guys!  A very large number of people find iTunes a significantly poorly performing application.  If you don’t – then great.  I’m happy for you.  But don’t pretend that that is universal.
    I for one have several fast (and slower) PCs which can easily handle some pretty intensive applications – yet iTunes’ UI performance is appalling.

  • Ricardo Ferreira

    Don’t worry, a new iTunes will be released in September, it will be called “iTunes X”, and it won’t play previously purchased music.

  • Shane Bryson

    iTunes is the slowest, ugliest, messiest Apple app on a Mac but probably the most used. It most def needs an over-haul. 

  • danielcasius

    I did that icon. You can download it here: http://asdelpar.deviantart.com

  • Shyam Bhat

    Its high time itunes has a messaging client integrated to store and keep a track of the messages from my iPhone. i have thousands and thousands of messages that i cannot afford to delete and read it from my mac to take a stroll down the memory lane #wish 

  • pepesmith

    it’s about time!

  • huyett

    Start with a better logo.

  • mai duc chung

    The usual idea is that you would use NFC to set up the link between the two devices and then do an automatic hand over to a different protocol for doing the actual transfer of data – eg Bluetooth,iphone 5

  • Henry Hicks

    Mines fine, & I have a Intel Core 2 Duo with 3BG of RAM and my iTunes runs fine, try cleaning out your Mac.

  • Bazzingapunk

    It takes 5 seconds to load iTunes my MBA n nearly 12 seconds in windows 7 with i5 and 8 gb ram. The program is awesome at playin music n managing its super fast even with a 180 gb music n 60 gb video library n some 2000 apps. Playing full HD movies is sometimes pain in windows cuz so often the sound n video go off track. The app tab is sluggish like hell. Selecting apps to sync to ur iPhone is a huge HUGE pain in windows tho the windows pc has way better specs than mac. Apple really needs to tweak iTunes for windows

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